Just let them die!

I am sure everyone has heard about everything happening with Schiavo and The Pope. Why the hell cant we just let them die and do it with dignity? I flipped past the nbc nightly news and they said something about keeping on brodcasting until the Pope dies...what the hell? The second that he dies everyone doesnt need to know. He is a person just like everyone else, if you have a friend who is dying you dont sit there and do a countdown till death, you hope for the best and let them go, that is if you really do care about them. I saw a lady in the news saying how shocked she was about the Pope dying, he is like 80 something, people die when they get old its a fact of life. I dont know exactly where I am going with this, just figured I would post what I am pissed off about with society and the media with this whole deal. Bleh.

I really think that the media should be disgusted with themseves right now. I mean not a day after Terri dies, do they start with 24 hour coverage of the Pope's finial days. I was wacthing CNN when the reports of his death came out and their news crawl thing said "Pope John Paul II has died" This was from reports, the cardinal that comes out and tells the world when the pope dies, has not come out and said it. its disgusting. I hope i'm not the only one who thinks this

Its not entirely the media's fault - not by a long shot. They're only doing stories that people want to hear about. I agree that the oversaturation aspect is annoying but its what the majority of the people want to know about.













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The question is, do you want to get interested, or do you just get interested because it is pushed in your face all the time? I for one do not need garbage like this.......
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Inform me, educate me, entertain me by all means, but enough with the personal tragedy angle.

It's sad because it'll only get worse (so long as a profit is to be made).

TV is finally getting interesting, can't wait until a show like "The Running Man" comes on. :evillol:

The question is, do you want to get interested, or do you just get interested because it is pushed in your face all the time? I for one do not need garbage like this.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/nakisaurus/pressscum.bmp

Inform me, educate me, entertain me by all means, but enough with the personal tragedy angle.
:werd: I'm sick of it being on them 24 hrs a day. I mean is there really nothing else going on AT ALL in the world that can be talked about. I mean shit, I missed my morning business shows on Fox b/c of this Pope thing. Tell us when he has passed or word is given from The Vatican. But by all means don't just repeat yourself 1 million times an hour.

can't wait until a show like "The Running Man" comes on. :evillol:

Now thats what Im talking about, quality entertainment lol.

Don't want to see/hear about it?

Don't watch or listen to it then.

There's this really handy dandy little thing called the on/off switch/button.

yes but we are surrounded by it... it's the fact that peoples dying moments are exploited shamelessly, no matter if my TV is on or off.

Don't want to see/hear about it?

Don't watch or listen to it then.

There's this really handy dandy little thing called the on/off switch/button.

yes i agree.. theres really no comparison between schiavo and the pope

I wanted to know the minute the pope died, he's my country's and the world's hero. I've bin praying for the pope since thursday... and he deserved the worlds eyes on him at his death. He was IMO the most important person in the entire world

They're both gone now, one in an inordinate blaze of media attention, 11th hour political maneuvering and court appeals.

The other, in a well deserved blaze of media attention, dignity, and hopefully, peace.

yes but we are surrounded by it... it's the fact that peoples dying moments are exploited shamelessly, no matter if my TV is on or off.

No argument from me on the sensationalizing by the media on the coverage of these events, I mean after all this kind of news makes for higher ratings which in turn mean more $$$ and the general public does have an interest in what's happening around them. But if someone is truly tired of watching or listening to it turn it off and go for a walk, run, drive, or whatever you desire.

They're both gone now, one in an inordinate blaze of media attention, 11th hour political maneuvering and court appeals.

The other, in a well deserved blaze of media attention, dignity, and hopefully, peace.

Very well said indeed.

Don't want to see/hear about it?

Don't watch or listen to it then.

There's this really handy dandy little thing called the on/off switch/button.
I agree but its rather hard assumeing you don't have cable its very hard because you are limited to the major networks, and if they have broken in, then assumeing you want to wacth the news..your screwed.

For me it has nothing to do with turning it on or off. My problem is that they seem to circle around people waiting for them to die. I mean Friday i was wacthing CNN, they told the people wacthing that the Pope had already died. The first news crawl simply said that they had heard that he died. Only later did they change it rumors say he has died. But either way, they had no offical word so they should have shut up.

Both of them are now dead, so the starter of this thread should be happy. Now let's just stop arguing and let them rest in peace.

does anyone find it ironic that the pope died within 3 days of schiavo during easter?

does anyone find it ironic that the pope died within 3 days of schiavo during easter?

No, no one does.

No, no one does.

right i forgot most people on here are atheists with no beliefs in anything but themselves, good for you

right i forgot most people on here are atheists with no beliefs in anything but themselves, good for you

That's one for lickem, OUCH!

right i forgot most people on here are atheists with no beliefs in anything but themselves, good for you
Excuse me, but what are you implying....that there is some devine plan or connection behind Terri's and the Pope's passing?

Hundreds of thousands of people die each day, many from terminal illnesses and old age like the Pope (and my father-in-law) and many from the removal of needed life support (a decision that my wife and her sick mother will have to face.)

Both situations are so very common, there is no irony at all!!

So truly, I find its offensive that you can accuse people of being selfish, just because their opinion differs from yours.

right i forgot most people on here are atheists with no beliefs in anything but themselves, good for you

What do you expect them to rise from the dead or something? What makes their deaths more important than anyone elses death?

right i forgot most people on here are atheists with no beliefs in anything but themselves, good for you


Not everyone is a good little altar boy that gets felt up by the priests.

I'm sorry you are so upset with 2 people dying, but thousands upon thousands die everyday. The pope was just another man he was no one special.

What galled me was the fact that all the TV was showing was the pope and several people were claiming the pope would die right at 3pm the same time Jesus died. He was a human being and nothing else.

The pope was just another man he was no one special.



Stongly disagree. Although yes, he was a man, he was indeed someone special. If you check his record as Pope against the last several, you'll see that he did bring about many good things comparative to the others.

Unless you're watching telly in a land where the government controls the airwaves you are seeing what is profitable for the stations to air, not necessarily the most pertinent topic.

yea i hjate the news. the news is sometimes very informative but for the most part it is depressing. i think i am a happier person due to the fact that i dont watch the news. its all negative society would be better off if the news would report more positive thing rather then so much negative

woh woh woh slow down, i wasnt implying that there was any devine planning or anything of that sort, i simply swas asking if anyone else saw it as ironic. And i would have to say that the death of the pope is a little more important than a hobo running out in front of a bus on the street of new york. saying the pope is no one special although he was an icon for millions, is just retarded

And i am not Catholic, and do not attend church

I found it ironic Because Schiavo, died of malnutrition, AkA Fasting in religious terms, And then 3 days leader the leader of one of the biggest religions in the world croaks. For those of you who dont know 3 days is the supposed amount of time from Jesus death to resurection

Yeah sidewayz, me too. There was a time when stations reported news like "There was a big fire downtown and...." or "King Kong is climbing the Empire State Building..." But years ago when they decided to make news themselves I lost all respect for them. We've seen them actually do what law enforcement calls entrapment with their cheezy hidden cameras trying to talk some one into doing something illegal so they can get it on film. All the undercover crapola and stuff they pull is just cheap.

woh woh woh slow down, i wasnt implying that there was any devine planning or anything of that sort, i simply swas asking if anyone else saw it as ironic. And i would have to say that the death of the pope is a little more important than a hobo running out in front of a bus on the street of new york. saying the pope is no one special although he was an icon for millions, is just retarded

Are you saying the pope is more important than your children or your parents?

The pope is a man appointed by a bunch of people to run a profit producing industry much the same way as George Bush is. The pope's accomplishments are no more important than anyone else's.

According to your reasoning Bill Gates is an icon. Millions of people die every day yet not one mention is made of that. Every person on this planet makes a contribution.

Im just digusted with the media...

They always seem to find new ways of being assholes or just plain heartless.

The pope is a man appointed by a bunch of people to run a profit producing industry much the same way as George Bush is. The pope's accomplishments are no more important than anyone else's.


yeah helping to stop communism in all of eastern europe is no more important than the average joe's accomplishments :rolleyes:


And how is it really a profit producing industry, a church uses the money they make from collections on their own church and supporting the priest... they dont send money to the vatican

his accomplishments touched TENS OF MILLIONS of people around the world.... I think thats slightly more important than what i will accomplish in my lifetime :rolleyes:

The pope's accomplishments are no more important than anyone else's.


I really do not see how you can say this.
The Pope's life affected tens of millions, and is even affecting us right now.
Thats like saying Bush has no affect on what is going on in Iraq.

I am not catholic either but I see the pope, any pope, as an icon for Christianity. That's not a bad thing. It's just a thing. Those that wish to devine mortals will continue to do so regardless of others' feelings on the subject.
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I really do not see how you can say this.
The Pope's life affected tens of millions, and is even affecting us right now.
Thats like saying Bush has no affect on what is going on in Iraq.

Tell me how the Pope personally affected you?

Meh- Even if you are not Catholic, the death of a Pope is interesting and relevant from a historical standpoint. So it is certainly newsworthy. For every one person who doesn't care, another will. So I don't get what all the controversy is about here. Should the news NOT report the death of a Pope? What would you have them report? I'd much rather hear about an event that is actually bringing people together as opposed to more aggravating bullshit from Iraq. And Frankly, I'm on pins and needles to see what kind of reception my fearless leader gets in Rome when he flies in to attend the Pope's funeral.

What I'm wondering is what the Weekly World News is going to do without the pope. (it seems that every issue somehow manages to connect the pope in some way to one or two inane stories).

Tell me how the Pope personally affected you?

I am having a discussion with someone about him on the internet

Tell me how the Pope personally affected you?

He helped to end communism in MY country while i lived there, which changed EVERYBODIES lives in ALL of Eastern europe. Thats hundreds of millions of people

And thats only one of his great accomplishments, his death is easily more important than any average joes.

Meh- Even if you are not Catholic, the death of a Pope is interesting and relevant from a historical standpoint. So it is certainly newsworthy. For every one person who doesn't care, another will. So I don't get what all the controversy is about here. Should the news NOT report the death of a Pope? What would you have them report? I'd much rather hear about an event that is actually bringing people together as opposed to more aggravating bullshit from Iraq. And Frankly, I'm on pins and needles to see what kind of reception my fearless leader gets in Rome when he flies in to attend the Pope's funeral.
Very very true. As you said, even if your not catholic or even religious at all, he's a man that just wanted peace among everyone and no one can knock him for that.

Gotti, you hit the nail on the head. Flatrater, watch the news about him a little more, he may have not achieved the goals he dreamed of achieving, but he made more attempts than most.

I am having a discussion with someone about him on the internet

That is a product of his death and not his life.

He helped to end communism in MY country while i lived there, which changed EVERYBODIES lives in ALL of Eastern europe. Thats hundreds of millions of people

And thats only one of his great accomplishments, his death is easily more important than any average joes.

Not everyoine this so. --> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pope/communism/

The Pope may of had a hand in the fall of communism but the credit for the fall in Poland should go to Solidarity's leader Lech Walesa who credited the pope with giving Poles the courage to rise up.

BTW I am a pure Czech, born in the Czech Republic as a Catholic.

Not everyoine this so. --> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pope/communism/

The Pope may of had a hand in the fall of communism but the credit for the fall in Poland should go to Solidarity's leader Lech Walesa who credited the pope with giving Poles the courage to rise up.

BTW I am a pure Czech, born in the Czech Republic as a Catholic.

I didnt have time to read that whole thing, but i'll read it tomorrow


I'll let you in on a secret, Walesa is a bum. I can tell that article is an outsiders perspective on what really happened. Without the Pope the Solidarity movement would of just bin a blip on the communist radar. If you ask a real Polish person what they think of Walesa they'll tell you he's a debil, because to the outside world he made it look like he was this big Polish hero ending communism. But the true facts are he was working with communists, and as a result the same people that were in power during communist times are still running Poland today and our people are struggling to survive


Fuck Walesa... he can eat my big fat kielbasa

Gotti- I value your perspective on that guy since you were there. Interesting. It's like the pro-UFO people that the government probably employs to spread disinformation about the subject. Walesa was in the perfect position to be a stooge. I always had to wonder why they simply didn't brutally crack down on demonstraters.

Where to start...

I hate the media these days like most people. I hate how our local tabloid-trash newspaper takes sensitive events and runs disgusting and tasteless front page coverage much like the example Taranaki posted.

I think the whole feeding tube fiasco was excessively covered in the news - to be honest it was only after that lady died when I asked somebody what was the whole deal with that feeding tube – I had no desire whatsoever to know why it was happening when it was, because to me it was the media taking over an otherwise serious and significant story and perverting it into a circus.

As far as the Pope’s coverage that began exactly one week ago today, I have to say I appreciate the fact they were on the air throughout the night when he was passing and during the whole week for his visitation. I had plans last Friday night but when we heard he was close to death my girlfriend and I stayed up all night watching his biography that was aired on CBC and flipping back to newsworld to see the coverage. I fell asleep on my couch late that night with the TV on because frankly I didn’t want to be alone.

So who was the Pope? In recent years he was a decrepit old man who a lot of people though should have stepped down from the church, there was at least one local radio station a few months back that ran a brutal (but I had to admit I laughed) add making fun of the Pope’s health and uselessness. We all knew his time was coming and although we may have thought we were prepared I think now a lot of people are having trouble dealing with the change.

It’s messed me up a bit. I was not only raised as a Catholic but as a Polish catholic – the only world I’ve ever know is the world of John Paul II as our Pope; our spiritual and cultural leader. Last Sunday for the first time in my entire life I did not hear John Paul’s name mentioned as the priest asked us to “join in unity, together with Aloysius our Bishop, and all the clergy…” It was so strange.

Some people don’t get what John Paul was all about, and if they never lived and experienced what life was like living in a communist country controlled by Russia they never will. I am thankfully first-generation Canadian but some of my older cousins who grew up in Poland before coming to Canada were like totally fucked up by the Pope’s death – my one cousin had to walk over to my grandmother’s house because she was too upset to drive. This man was these people’s SPIRIT during the dark communist times.

I tried to wake up this morning at 4am to watch his funeral. I’m glad they are re-airing it at 7pm again tonight because I want to watch it.

Great post DVS.. i completely agree

Twitch: Thats exactly what he was, a stooge. People outside of Poland dont know that there was other people pulling his strings. He was a puppet.

I have to go with the idea that if you don't care, just don't watch it. I personally was not wrapped up in the pope story. I heard that he was dying, and I thought, what a shame, but its about time. I don't even know who schiavo was. I don't need to hear stories about other peoples' tragedies and such to understand that life has meaning. I can imagine that people die unjust deaths, and live sad lives, or live good lives and die tragically, but I don't need to know about it. I really didnt care, and I still don't. If I was dying a sad death, I don't think the world needs to know about it. Live your own life.

However, I do agree with the frustration you have with the mass media. They have more power than anyone to help resolve important issues, and they waste that power by talking about bullshit. If they shed some light on the ghettos, or poverty, then more people would remember that there is more to our world than celebrities, and things would certainly change.

But the Pope is a different story. I didn't know much about the pope, and all I really know about him, I learned from reading threads about him in the last few weeks on these forums. I understand that he was an icon, so it doesn't bother me that he gets the spotlight. He apparently was a person who used his power and influence accordingly for the good of mankind, so I agree he deserves headlines. If you don't care then don't watch. But don't get mad that they play it a million times over. Not everyone has the luxury of sitting on the couch and watching every replay on the news. Some people missed the forst 999,999 and were happy to catch the millionth airing. Remember that it's not all about you.

I live my life, I work and I pay my bills while trying to enjoy myself. I respect any man who devotes his life to helping others, but some people are born with the opportunity, and when you are brought up right under the worlds microscope, expected to be in a position of power and reform and aide to those who need it, then thats exactly what your life will consist of. If I was born with the opportunity to help the world, I would be more than excited to do it, and I would be known by the world as a great man. But that wasn't my calling. I was born to be another lemming in the regular world and have some aspects of my life taken over by the media, or I have the choice to shut it out because it doesn't concern me. I respect the Pope, but I was not affected by his death, aside from hearing other people talk about it.

I don't know the Schiavo story and I really dont give a shit. I'm sorry if she died a tragic death, because I feel for all humans, but thats the end of the line. What happened with schiavo does not affect my day tomorrow or yesterday, or my ability to go to work and earn money to pay my bills. If there was no mass media shoving this down the worlds throat we would all live our own lives and probably be happier and more productive without all this stress over other people who have no impact on us.

If other people care about a political issue, I don't have the balls to disrespect that concern, it's just that I don't care. The only media which gets on my nerves is... "Ashton and Demi might be pregnant! Oh my god!" I don't think anybody with a life cares. It just bugs me that I see such useless things plaster the headlines. The pope is important enough to be on the news, but if you are concerned about what is going on with Demi Moores life, why arent you concerned with the ghettos of America. If the news consisted of more important issues like that, then things would change quicker, but our world is quickly becoming more and more materialistic and concerned with gossip about celebrities. It is directly affecting the kids these days, which directly affects the future, and that is what frustrates me with the news. If we show no concern with things that matter, then why are the kids going to grow up and care? Society is becoming very stupid.

The media as a whole, or is that A-hole, is exploitive to the extreme and for unknown reason latch onto stories for no apparent reason and proceed to flog them to death.