I can't decide what I want...

Some of you may remember that I used to own a 1990 Civic STD (70 hp base model) a few months ago. I sold it off, and bought a 1-owner Eagle Talon ESi...

Monday, the brakes on the Talon went out, and I rear-ended a ranger, ruining practically my entire front-end, so I am currently trying to sell the car (all it needs is a new front bumper, hood, hood clip/radiator cover, and headlights).

What I can't decide is...to go back to Honda, buy a B16 or B18, bolt on a turbo, and haul some ass...or buy another Talon or Eclipse turbo and bolt on a bigger turbo, FMIC, etc., etc...

Honda gas mileage and reliability > Eagle Talon/Mitsu. Eclipse's

Eagle Talon/Mitsu. Eclipse 400+ hp potential > Honda's 250-300ish...

Help me decide which one I want.

Honda

If you want speed then go with the Talon.
The Eclipse is a "stripper" car, at least in my area. My friend is very lucky to work at a Mitsu dealership, he gets to see how stripper chics every day during the summer.

Well has you have stated the Honda has better gas and reliablity while the power gains are greater with Mit and or Eagle. Personally, now I do not know where you live, but with gas prices they way they are I would go with Honda.

Is this a daily driver? If it is ask yourself if you will truly being using the full potential of the Mit or Eagle and how often? What good is having a 400+ hp car if you only use it 1/4 of the time and also can you afford the gas that goes along with it?

Either way whatever you decide I wish luck and lots of ardenaline charged fun.

Well has you have stated the Honda has better gas and reliablity while the power gains are greater with Mit and or Eagle. Personally, now I do not know where you live, but with gas prices they way they are I would go with Honda.

Is this a daily driver? If it is ask yourself if you will truly being using the full potential of the Mit or Eagle and how often? What good is having a 400+ hp car if you only use it 1/4 of the time and also can you afford the gas that goes along with it?

Either way whatever you decide I wish luck and lots of ardenaline charged fun.

Yeah, the car is a daily driver and will be for the next 4-5 years...

I'm in Texas, and gas prices have done nothing but go up so I'm leaning toward the Honda right now...

Ummm... you're going to use almost as much gas with a honda as with a mitsu. With a turbo honda, you'd need to use a higher octane gas anyways so it will be pretty much just as expensive. When you do major modifications to a Honda, you're losing a big part of the reliability and gas mileage.

I won't be doing any major mods like turbo for a couple of years at the least, the biggest mod I do anytime soon after buying the car would be an engine swap if anything.

Yeah, the car is a daily driver and will be for the next 4-5 years...

I'm in Texas, and gas prices have done nothing but go up so I'm leaning toward the Honda right now...




just get a 92-95 hatch swap a h22 in it.........put a 100 shot on it......so its good on gas and have the nos for the speed......ive seen them little mods run low 13's

just get a 92-95 hatch swap a h22 in it.........put a 100 shot on it......so its good on gas and have the nos for the speed......ive seen them little mods run low 13's

If I got a Fifth gen it sure as hell wouldn't be a hatchback. And maybe an H22 swap, but never NOS or any kind of n2o. I despise that shit.

the only way i would own a turbo dsm, would be if it was strictly a track car. Every (literally every) friend of mine that has owned a turbo dsm has had major tranny problems, headgasket probs, cracked heads, blocks.... i dunno man. props to you if youve had good luck with them, i just have grown not to trust them too much.

final word, honda reliability :worshippy
dsm's :uhoh:

Edit: This is just my personal opinion, not trying to bash on dsm's

Yeah, I've found a '89 CRX Si that I'm looking at. It has a new water pump and timing belt...the only damage on the car is on the roof, and the car is in a near-white primer. He wants $2,200 obo, so I'm going to attempt to talk him down. It has 180K miles on it, but I'm looking at swapping a B16 into it anyway...

What would you recommend as a price for the car if I am able to talk him down?

And also, where can I buy a B16 for a low price, but in good condition?

I'd offer him $1,500-1,700 for it. The roof will need to be fixed and the car will need to be painted, so that will bring the cost down.
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Ah thanks...

I'm looking at this right now:
30001 - B16A 88-91 (SiR I) Motor, Tranny, Computer
160Hp 111Trq 10.2 Compression (JDM)
$ 1250.00 Plus shipping and handling.

Besides the motor, tranny, and computer, what else is needed? Should I just go for the whole swap kit?

I belive you will need axels...

yes u'll need axles, extra wire for the vtec, mount kit, and linkage. hasport.com has all of that for the swap.
the whole swap kit would be a good idea, it will illiminate most of the headaches of piecing together u'r own swap kit. if u look hard, u could prolly find a swap kit for cheaper than piecing one together.

also another thing to think about w/ the talon/eclipse vs. a civic; weight. the talon/eclipse has like 700+ lbs over a civic. so yeah it kinda needs that more power in order to be just as quick.

Honda brakes > Mitsu.

Honda brakes > Mitsu.


Thats news to me and my HF brakes :disappoin

Monday, the brakes on the Talon went out, and I rear-ended a ranger, ruining practically my entire front-end,

If this never happened to you then your brakes are better than Mitsu.

If this never happened to you then your brakes are better than Mitsu.
I was with my friend in his 4dr Civic and his brakes went out on him. It can happen to any car, just depends on how fast you're going, how hard you slam on the brakes, and how worn they are already. Brakes are pretty much made out of the same material (unless you go with hardcore aftermarket ones) so you can't blame it on being a Mitsu or Honda. I've had my brakes go out on my old Oldsmobile before, only happened once but it still happened. But that doesn't mean Oldsmobiles have sh*tty brakes.

I was with my friend in his 4dr Civic and his brakes went out on him. It can happen to any car, just depends on how fast you're going, how hard you slam on the brakes, and how worn they are already. Brakes are pretty much made out of the same material (unless you go with hardcore aftermarket ones) so you can't blame it on being a Mitsu or Honda. I've had my brakes go out on my old Oldsmobile before, only happened once but it still happened. But that doesn't mean Oldsmobiles have sh*tty brakes.

You misunderstood me - I was being sarcastic/ironic/whatever the f*ck you wanna call it. The brakes on his Mitsu failed and caused an accident and he's considering buying another Mitsu - that calls for irony. I'm not bashing on Mitsu's for all of you high-schoolers, just being ironic.

I like dsms..just wouldn't own one. I almost bought a talon tsi..stay honda my brother and you'll be happier in the end. :)

Gotcha. From your post I couldn't tell you weren't being serious, kind of hard to tell over the internet. And yes ironic is the correct word to describe what you ment. Also I'll take your high schooler comment as a sarcastic comment, cause I know you're not serious about calling me that (for future reference I graduated high school almost 6 years ago).

You misunderstood me - I was being sarcastic/ironic/whatever the f*ck you wanna call it. The brakes on his Mitsu failed and caused an accident and he's considering buying another Mitsu - that calls for irony. I'm not bashing on Mitsu's for all of you high-schoolers, just being ironic.


I wouldn't really call that ironic... if he wrecked into a Brake shop that'd be Ironic.

and you should get a HF and make it into a turbo beast, these lil d-series engines call haul ass too specially when you put a snail to it.

You misunderstood me - I was being sarcastic/ironic/whatever the f*ck you wanna call it. The brakes on his Mitsu failed and caused an accident and he's considering buying another Mitsu - that calls for irony. I'm not bashing on Mitsu's for all of you high-schoolers, just being ironic.

I realllllly think you underestimate the potential of a turbo DSM. Just because there are more than enough ricer versions of the car, the hardcore DSM drivers know what they're doing and run 300-400+ hp on the street.

Also I'll take your high schooler comment as a sarcastic comment, cause I know you're not serious about calling me that (for future reference I graduated high school almost 6 years ago).

No, I didn't mean you...

I meant this guy...

I realllllly think you underestimate the potential of a turbo DSM. Just because there are more than enough ricer versions of the car, the hardcore DSM drivers know what they're doing and run 300-400+ hp on the street.

I'M NOT BASHING MITSU'S!!! READ!!!

and you should get a HF and make it into a turbo beast, these lil d-series engines call haul ass too specially when you put a snail to it.

A friend of mine, who has a 2-5 hatch, has a 2nd gen b16 like mine with a Turbo. He put 300whp down. Hopefully after I build the LS and install it, I want to build my 2nd gen b16 for those numbers. 300hp in a 89HF would pretty much give me an iron fist on fastest four cylinder in my town...

lol, just found this and wanted to post it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/90crx/512331_39.jpg

:lol: that is hilarious and so true. My friend works at a Mitsu dealership as a mechanic and he was a really mellow guy before, but now he's always pissed off and hates his job. Not to mention he drinks like a fish now (though he couldn't before because he started there when he was 18 or 19). I'm going to have to show him that pic, great find :bigthumb:

wasn't there a thread on this earlier? guy wanted to ditch his red crx for a talon :)

keep the honda - talons are known for reliability issues. Sure they can go fast, but what good is going fast if you're car is broken and isn't driveable :)

But in all reality, anything that's modified is less reliable, but hondas can put down 200+ hp and still be daily-driven and reliable - if BUILT PROPERLY. A Talon putting down stock HP is still unreliable, and if you're adding 100+ hp or more, even if the engine is built correctly, other important parts will fail.

To get the most HP with less money (in the short run, cuz it's going to cost you a heck of a lot when it breaks) - Talon

Just get a honda lol, you're asking a honda forum :)

Yeah I'm definitely going with a CRX, but I have to get rid of the damn thing first. :/

Well as a driver of a DSM and a Honda I have had just as much if not more trouble out of my Civic. Everyone says that DSM's are unreliable. Yeah thats because people don't take care of them and maintain them.

Second there are mroe than one kind of DSM. 90-99 GS, RS, ESI have the 420A non turbo motor (very reliable). The 90-99 TSI & GST have the 4G63 turbo fwd motor. (they are reliable if taken car of, but if not they can get crank walk). Then the 90-99 GSX & TSI AWD have the 4G63 turbo AWD motor and tranny (they are reliable also if take care of and maintained. They tend to break more because there are mor drivetrain parts.) Then there is the 95-99 Spyder with the 4g63 non turbo motor. (also very reliable.)

My point is you can't say DSM's are all un reliable. The main problem is a lot of kids get them and drive them like they are super cars and can run forever without taking care of them.