Feeding Tube Reinsertion Denied Again

she's on her fifth day without the feeding tube
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050323/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman


"Demonstrators who gathered outside Terri Schiavo's hospice here decried the courts' decisions. One woman was arrested Tuesday for trespassing after trying to bring Schiavo a cup of water."



this is horrible, she is still conscious and obviously suffering a great deal. I don't care if she has brain damage or not, leaving someone for starvation is barbaric. I can't believe people are getting arrested for trying to help her...... makes me sick.

this is horrible, she is still conscious and obviously suffering a great deal. I don't care if she has brain damage or not, leaving someone for starvation is barbaric. I can't believe people are getting arrested for trying to help her...... makes me sick.

Doctors say that she can't feel anything, she is not aware of the fact that she is starving. She is not in any pain.

"While she still made eye contact with me when I spoke to her, she was becoming increasingly lethargic," Bob Schindler said in the papers. "Terri no longer attempted to verbalize back to me when I spoke to her."

if she could talk, then she can understand the basic concept of pain.

what wrong is it to keep her alive? she is still a human and has family that cares about her. I can understand her right to die, but its that her family doesn't even want this to happen. And that people are locked out from trying to save her.

This is a fun situation. Husband says she didn't want extraordinary efforts made in keeping her alive. Parents are unwilling to let her go. It’s a sad situation with no winner. The state and federal courts, the state and federal congresses and the even the president have all gotten involved to one degree or another. Its been fifteen years of a feeding tube. I am glad that I filled out my living will so I can prevent that from ever happening to me.













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Doctors say that she can't feel anything, she is not aware of the fact that she is starving. She is not in any pain.
Since when do doctors know anything? My grandfather was told he wouldn't make it six months with out taking all these different medications, he lasted 3 years.

This case is pissing me off for a few reasons. One being it shouldn't even be national news, and it's the same discusssions 24 hrs a day. It's old now.

Secondly, how the fuck do the parents, the ones who conceived her and watched her grow get thrown on the back burner, while the fucking husband makes the discision.

The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat.

I have a damn good understanding of what this whole case is about. Those who say she doesn't feel anything is bullshit. My mimi had a massive stroke over 10 years ago. She is paralized on right side and hasn't been able to speak....EVER. She can mumble sounds that's it. Exactly what this girl can do. Doctor's could say my mimi can't feel anything, but I know she can. I guarantee she is quite aware of what's going on, she's just incapable of pulling out of her incompasitated state.

I still don't understand why the parents have absolutely no say. It really pisses me off. The husband can rot in hell for all of what he's done, or hasn't let be done.

[QUOTE=TexasF355F1]Since when do doctors know anything? My grandfather was told he wouldn't make it six months with out taking all these different medications, he lasted 3 years.[/QOUTE]

I'm sure that they did not say he will die exactly in 6 months. What they probably said that there is a very high chance of him dying in 6 months. Nobody can predict the future, but in this case all the doctors were saying is what is happening at the present.


This case is pissing me off for a few reasons. One being it shouldn't even be national news, and it's the same discusssions 24 hrs a day. It's old now.

Agreed. It's a family tragedy, not something that our politicians should be getting up for in the middle of the night, there are plenty more important issues affecting EVERYONE, not just Terry.



Secondly, how the fuck do the parents, the ones who conceived her and watched her grow get thrown on the back burner, while the fucking husband makes the discision.

It's called growing up. Once you turn 18, your parents are no longer responsible for you. When you get married, in case of a medical emergency like this, the spouse is the one who makes the decision if you're incapable of making one. On the other hand, you can't choose your parents, but you can choose your spouse.


The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat.

That's your opinion of the husband. Last week he was offered $1 million dollars to sign his rights over Terry over to a businessman who would keep her alive. I don't beleive that this case is about money. It's probably about closure.

First of all, it's a difficult situation with no easy answer.

But there's a few things the media isn't telling or showing us. They haven't shown Ms. Schiavo for more than 1/2 a second; those views are of her smiling or moving somewhat. I'd like to see a 5 or 10 minute video of her, reacting to people, to see what she really is like.

There has been no mention of her brainwave activity. No scientific education for the public, such as: "This is normal brain activity. This is brain dead. Now compare those two with this, this is Ms. Schiavo's brainwave activity." So there are many completely uninformed decisions and opinions going on.

I'm not saying that it's not tragic or heartrending. It is. But more information is needed prior to making a decision. (and yes I realize the clock is ticking)


"While she still made eye contact with me when I spoke to her, she was becoming increasingly lethargic," Bob Schindler said in the papers. "Terri no longer attempted to verbalize back to me when I spoke to her."

if she could talk, then she can understand the basic concept of pain.

what wrong is it to keep her alive? she is still a human and has family that cares about her. I can understand her right to die, but its that her family doesn't even want this to happen. And that people are locked out from trying to save her.

Bob Schindler is a lawyer, and will say whatever is necessary to promote his case so we can discount what he's said.

Can Ms. Schiavo communicate? Can she blink in response to a question? People say "what if" she is actually ok in there, and just can't "get out" to communicate? I don't know about anyone else here, but to be trapped in my own head, unable to move or communicate, would suck. Yes, she's alive, but she is NOT "living".



The husband is a worthless hack. All he's after is the life insurance money. He hasn't permitted ANY physical therapy, or allowed her to be taught to eat.

Do you have some backup for the not allowing her to be taught to eat? Be interested to read it if you do.

Other things that has gone without mention are the incredible amount of money that Mister S has already paid in hospice care. It costs many thousands of dollars per year for that level of care. There are a few stories that the current hospice has been paying for Ms S' care in the last couple years, but Mr. S has likely paid out a million dollars or more in the previous 13.

Then there are Ms. S' desires in the matter. If her husband is telling the truth, then she has already been kept alive far longer than she desired to be.

In that position, as the husband, I can't imagine how hard it would be to see your wife in that circumstance, day after day. The media is focusing on Ms. S' plight, but totally ignoring Mr S and how he has suffered the last 15 years.

He does have an interest in the insurance money, that is true. But to cite that as his only motivation, IMO, isn't telling the entire story.

I am with the husband on this one. Not much of a life when you have no ability to do anything. Besides, the spouse is responsible for her. Parents need to respect that, and respect his wishes, no matter how messed up in the head he may be.

Let's see: the woman has severe brain damage so that she cannot function at all except for blinking her eyes. The husband says she would not want to live that way, so why is she still living? Let her keep one shred of dignity and let her go. Just give her a huge shot of morphine and end it. Like they said, she can't feel anything. The parents and family are hoping for a "miracle", which doesn't seem likely, so just let her die. She will never get better, so why keep her alive?

The funny thing to all of this is when this woman dies the husband gets something of 1-2 million dollars. He just doesn't want her to suffer anymore though....yeah right.

The funny thing to all of this is when this woman dies the husband gets something of 1-2 million dollars. He just doesn't want her to suffer anymore though....yeah right.
As already stated above, do you know how much he has spent on hospice care during the 15 years? Money is not the only thing. Plus, he has been offered 1 million dollars to keep her alive.

Let's see: the woman has severe brain damage so that she cannot function at all except for blinking her eyes. The husband says she would not want to live that way, so why is she still living? Let her keep one shred of dignity and let her go. Just give her a huge shot of morphine and end it. Like they said, she can't feel anything. The parents and family are hoping for a "miracle", which doesn't seem likely, so just let her die. She will never get better, so why keep her alive?

That just sounded so bad to me for some reason... like you dont care about life. I know you do, its just the vibe it gave me


About the million dollars obviously he's not gunna take it because then it would be obvious, and if he just hangs on a little longer he's gunna get the money from insurance anyway. Theres no point of taking the million dollars from the businessman

I never said I didn't care about life. Letting her die would be the right thing to do. Would you want to live like that? I sure as hell wouldn't. If all I could do for the rest of my life is blink my eyes, there would be no point in continuing on.

Agree with Killswitch. If it was me, i`d rather go to eternal sleep. It`s not " a life"..

its that Politics and money have more say than human life. The only thing we can do is sit and watch as someone starves to death, that's the real issue. We don't know if she can feel pain or not, we don't know if she enjoys her life, and its a retarded argument that goes around and around and around in circles.

This is an unwinnable argument from all angles.It emphasises the need for people to make their own decisions in advance of any potential situation,and make sure that said decisions are presented in a legally binding manner.

The other thing that saddens me is that this should be a family-based decision.That this poor lady has to live out the last of her life while those that she loved push the stakes up higher and higher is grotesque.Allowing her to starve to death is not right either.the decision should be to either nuse this woman until she succumbs to natural causes, or to euthanase her.It seems wrong in a world that can send people to jail for mistreating animals, we can allow those who have taken medical responsibility to starve a fellow human to death.

As already stated above, do you know how much he has spent on hospice care during the 15 years? Money is not the only thing. Plus, he has been offered 1 million dollars to keep her alive.

No, I don't know the amount he's spent, but hospice care is extremely expensive, see:

http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/bioethics/facts/a0028030.cfm



I hadn't heard that he'd been offered 1M to keep her alive. Where did you see that?

This is an unwinnable argument from all angles.It emphasises the need for people to make their own decisions in advance of any potential situation,and make sure that said decisions are presented in a legally binding manner.

The other thing that saddens me is that this should be a family-based decision.That this poor lady has to live out the last of her life while those that she loved push the stakes up higher and higher is grotesque.Allowing her to starve to death is not right either.the decision should be to either nuse this woman until she succumbs to natural causes, or to euthanase her.It seems wrong in a world that can send people to jail for mistreating animals, we can allow those who have taken medical responsibility to starve a fellow human to death.


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There's got to be a more humane method for letting her go. But then people would start comparing her situation to Dr Kevorkian or even the prison system terminating criminals.

The lesson here is to have a living will. It doesn't cost but $2-300 at the most to have all your crap all tied up if something catastrophic happens.

So now the US is torturing it's own.





Go Freedom!

Well good torture begins at home! We gringos certainly wouldn't dream of being accused of torturing our fine Canadian neighbors for instance, eh?:grinno:

not yet...

So now the US is torturing it's own.

Go Freedom!


Raz, you are making a dick of yourself.

This is a complex and unique case about the care ofothers by proxy and the ethics of medical intervention.

reducing it to a simplistic bash at all things American is contemptible.If you have nothing intelligent to add to the substance of this thread, please don't troll in it.

Fine, not like it will make any difference.


It's really stupid that the final decision was done by the government. It's a family issue, the relatives are paying for all hospitalization and therefore it's none of the governments buisness. The fact that they bothered intervening and disallowing the parents to have a say in the matter is totally ridiculous. The worst part has to be that they were fine in coming to the conclusion of letting this poor woman suffer. She may not feel the pain of it, but the idea will forever haunt those close to her for the barbaric measures the US government decided to put into place. If your going to kill someone, at least have the decensy of making it quick and painless for everyone.

I can't believe there letting her die like this.Shes a human being.The husband says that she didnt want any extraordinary crap done.What is extraordinary that is being done to her?A feeding tube?Everybody has to eat.Because she can't feed herself doesnt make the feeding tube anything special.I baby can't feed itself either.Does that mean you should starve it to death?Some of you say the doctors said she can't feel hunger.Did she say that to the docter?No.So in that case they have no idea what there talking about.She hasnt had her condition re-evaluated with any modern technology.Why not.If I go through the windshield in a car accident,why should I have the right to an MRI but not Terri.Shes a human being and a U.S citizen yet hasn't the rights I do.Terri's nurse was interviewed by fox news.She said Terris husband would call,asking when is she going to die and if shes dead yet.Her husband wants her dead.This man was offered 1 million dollars,then later,4 million dollars to turn her over to state custody.He refused.It is still unknown why she is in this condition.Her doctor said something prevented her getting oxygen to her brain.Causing brain damage.Her husband did something to her.And thats why I beleive he wants her dead.She's showed improvment over the years.And if she regains her speech she might say something the Mr. don't want out.So he won't turn her over.

I hadn't heard that he'd been offered 1M to keep her alive. Where did you see that?

http://www.wftv.com/news/4274639/detail.html

Fine, not like it will make any difference.


It's really stupid that the final decision was done by the government. .
Do feel free to educate yourself at some point on the 'government's' role in all of this. The current situation has been precipitated by the husband and the courts.The Senate has been making incredible efforts to preserve this lady's life.

Iwould suggest you find another outlet for the chip on your shoulder...this thread doesn't warrant it at all.

http://www.wftv.com/news/4274639/detail.html

Cool, thanks.

Raz, the government did step in improperly, but all they did was to make a law that allowed the parents to appeal to a federal court rather than just the state court. I agree that it was improper to do so for one person.

But the fact of the matter is they still have to make their case and haven't. They've been turned down by two judges already and are now trying to get the case heard in the Supreme Court, which has previously said they wouldn't hear the case.

Without responding to anybody in particular, I did hear that her spinal fluid has literally displaced her brain. When people say her brain is slush, it's literal.

Although I am not giving an opinion, as to whether she should live or die, as I personally have not seen what she is really like, besides the family videos of her smiling and such, which I'm sure came from the parents, I do get irritated with the parents trying to usurp the husband's rights.

I mean, it even says it in the bible, for all the thumpers out there, that the bond of husband and wife is beyond that of blood. And for the less religious, the law of man says this is so.

Also, as much as the religious hooeys resist artificial contraceptives (as opposed to just not having sex), artificial miscarriages (abortion - I'm against this too, but I am making an illustration), artificial insemination - they encourage this woman to have an artificial life, even though she has permanently lost the thing that made her...her.

I don't know about you guys, but I know that I know my wife a hell of a LOT more than her parents will EVER know her. If the husband says she wouldn't want this, then fine. It's his hell (for those of you that believe this sort of thing), if he's lying, right? Who the fuck are we to judge him?

Fuckin' A people. Do you people not have enough lives to sit there and play judge and jury to somebody you don't know, in a situation you have no clue about? You think HE hasn't suffered?

Just to further muddy the waters on this one,can any of our American contributors tell us the likely outcome if they were to announce that they had given up the will to live and intended to starve themselves to death?

Just to further muddy the waters on this one,can any of our American contributors tell us the likely outcome if they were to announce that they had given up the will to live and intended to starve themselves to death?

It would probably depend on how famous they were. Some big star or politician, there would be a big brou-ha-ha, public outcry, television interviews, intervention by other stars, etc etc.

For us "regular" people, there would probably be a short article in the local paper. It might get out to the national news, if the "hunger strike" lasted long enough to attract that attention.

In both cases, I wouldn't rule out a television appearance by a "sensitive" interviewer, like Barbara Walters or someone similar.

But I don't think the government would step in, especially if there were some legal documentation from the person and they had their affairs in order.

Raz- sorry to hear you're a dick http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Sorry.gif Just gotta consider the source.

Carrnutt- You're right,the rush to judgement of people in news articles is rampant. There are several aspects to consider and nothing is black and white. Apart from this, don't you find it curious that people as a whole are compelled to comment and pass judgement on things like Micheal Jackson, OJ, Robert Blake or just "feuding" Shaq and Kobe, when the only real opinion in most of these examples is that of the jury after the prosecution and defense present their cases? Prejudices are formed due to a feakin media blurb! But the sides are drawn on remote happening that have no relation or impact on their lives. I suppose it why tabloid papers sell so well.
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The people that passed judgement on O.J is the majority. The facts were there, his story didn't add up. He IS guilty. He should be in jail.

I really think this whole thing is fucked up. Ok friends vioched an said she even stated if she went into a vegatative state that she would want to be put to death. #2 I think of how REALLY Fucked up in the fact that they can let someone die of starvation and not let someone die of a far less painfull euthanaisa.


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Exactly my thoughts. The women clearly wanted not to live that way if it came to that, yet they keep her alive anyway. They should just give her a lethal injection of some sort rather than starve her to death. Just end this damn thing!!!!!!!!!!

If the U.S. government can step in and tell individuals that they DON'T have the right to die when there is NO hope of recovery, then I'm moving to Canada.
This situation is WAY over-publicized. IMO, the family are keeping her alive so they can sue the medical facility for some bullshit reason that their lawyers have already came up with when she does die.

This is my opinion, not nessesarly the majority opinion, But it's mine.

What part of "Brain Dead" don't they understand? Her family is being selfish. It's not her they're thinking about, It's them. How are they gonna fell when she's gone. Hell, she can't feel anything.

I really think this whole thing is fucked up. Ok friends vioched an said she even stated if she went into a vegatative state that she would want to be put to death. #2 I think of how REALLY Fucked up in the fact that they can let someone die of starvation and not let someone die of a far less painfull euthanaisa.


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what bothers me is that here the question of euphemism crops up again.
someone suggested a big morphine shot which would be a humane way but instead they choose to let the body starve.

does that make sense?

Yes. She WILL die, as a direct result of not being fed or having water. It's barbaric to let her suffer for a week and a half; they should, IMO, ease her suffering.

I really think this whole thing is fucked up. Ok friends vioched an said she even stated if she went into a vegatative state that she would want to be put to death. #2 I think of how REALLY Fucked up in the fact that they can let someone die of starvation and not let someone die of a far less painfull euthanaisa.


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Yep. I don't see peoples views saying oh she's helpless, has no emotion etc. She's suffering. Oh really? All she needs to survive is a feeding tube. All she needs to survive is a feeding tube. We all have to eat to survive right? She may be a vegetable, but she is not completely out of it, she is aware.

She may be a vegetable, but she is not completely out of it, she is aware.How do you know that? Are you calling the husband a liar? 'Cause who told you? God? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Who do you think YOU are, when her closest friends, and her husband, who know her a lot better than her parents ever will, are all attesting that she'd rather be dead, than "live" like this. Who the hell does everybody think THEY are? If you believe in a righteous God, then believe him, and believe he will be punished if he is lying. Same with the doctors who all say that "she" is gone, replaced by a body with spinal fluid for a brain.

Other than that, this is a private matter with the family, and we have no right to judge anyone in this issue, unless an actual family member comes in here to post.

When you say things like what I quoted above, you have judged the husband, when even ACTUAL judges, with a whole lot more room to learn about the actual issue, have vied against the parents. Again, who are YOU again?

Funny thing is, it's the same religious nuts, and hacks who are politicizing this thing, that won't let her die in peace, and allow doctors to at least administer morphine.

Fucking hypocrites.

Carrrnuttt- yeah you got one "expert" saying she is cognizant and another saying she's not. So what is the truth/ No one knows for sure. There has to be a legal definition for these type of cases and that's up to the courts but not congress and the prez.

All the people in the adjoining circus get some few minutes of fame and somehow think their cause is forwarded or helped by commenting on this case. All these groups have their little agendas and getting wiggy during a live interview is a positive thing in their little lives.

Carrrnuttt- yeah you got one "expert" saying she is cognizant and another saying she's not. So what is the truth/ No one knows for sure.
Exactly. That's why we should leave the issue with the person closest to her, and that's her husband. He could be scum, for all I know - but my point is, I DON'T KNOW - and I'm not about to act like a righteous prick, and assume that I know better than he does, or for that matter, her doctors.

All these pompous "prayer rallies" AKA "protests", where kids are even being used, and are getting arrested, cloys at my nose, and makes me wonder about what the fuck our religions are teaching people (AND their kids) about butting into other people's business.

I wanna know how these folks got so much time to jump around in the streets with the "hooray for our side " posters. Don't any of them work, or for the younger pups, attend school?

The judges made a decision. The courts can decide what does and doesn't happen, when they do decide the executive branch has no power to change it. It's checks and balances. It is a shitty way for her to die, but after 5 years they should realize that recovery probably won't happen.

This story is so sad, i cant even watch it on the news anymore, they show her on the news moving and responding to things, anyone can see that this woman is NOT completly gone, and she should be alowed to live! I know if i was a supporter outside of the hospice, they would have to shoot me cause i would run to her with a bottle of water, and no guard would stop me. (they probally would but they'd have a hard time catching me) one thing that really got me was the husband telling just hoiw much he loved her......and then the family tells about his new woman and he also has a child with this woman. and i'd say that the judges are being bought off by the husband. Its a shame someone would take money over a human life.

Sure, the woman isn't completely gone, but she's gone enough. She can't do anything, and she won't ever be able to do anything as long as she lives. It's not a life if you can't live it.

You know what I think of when I hear this crap. I think of when a horse breaks its leg. Even if you somehow manage to save its life it will never be the same and if anything its cruel and unusaul punishment to keep it alive because you feel that it needs to go on.

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This story is so sad, i cant even watch it on the news anymore, they show her on the news moving and responding to things, anyone can see that this woman is NOT completly gone, and she should be alowed to live! I know if i was a supporter outside of the hospice, they would have to shoot me cause i would run to her with a bottle of water, and no guard would stop me. (they probally would but they'd have a hard time catching me) one thing that really got me was the husband telling just hoiw much he loved her......and then the family tells about his new woman and he also has a child with this woman. and i'd say that the judges are being bought off by the husband. Its a shame someone would take money over a human life.

Calm down bro'. Most of those are old home-movies that the PARENTS gave the media. You're letting your imagination get ahead of you.

Like I tried to imply before, the person upstairs sitting with her every night is her husband, and it has been that way for 13 years-or-so now. I don't know if the doctors are "evil" too, but I don't see any of them petitioning to keep her body alive...

In my mind it's no worse than assisted suicide. Granted, it should ultimately be the patients' choice (and some will agree that it probably was)- but I'm sure the majority of people out there would choose not to live in a wholly vegetative state. If the meddling, Keen-on-Jesus "saviors" intervened on my behalf in the same situation, I would be nothing but bitter. That is, if I even posessed the capacity to feel bitterness (or ANYTHING) at all, which would be unlikely. It's horrible that she and her family were ever subjected to this tragedy in the first place. I can't believe she is suffering or in any discomfort. Without a functioning brain there can be no pain, there can be no acknowledgement of pain, hunger or anything. This is more an issue of family attachment than patient suffering.

How do you actually know she doesnt feel anything? She could be watching whats going on behind her emotionless face, not able to communicate that this is actually causing her pain

I suppose that, until I decide to go through med school, I'll trust what the real doctors have to say on the matter and not play the "what if" game.

OK the way i am looking at this is 100 years ago, there were no feeding tubes, she would have more like died after the accident that caused her brain damage. God would have taken her then, if you choose to look at it that way. Its modern medicin keeping her alive, perhaps over God's wishs, once again, if you choose to look at it that way

Since everyone seems all in favor of letting this poor woman starve to death and its been politicized by some, here is a suggestion.

Lets sell exclusive pay-per-view rights so everyone can watch her waste away slowly on prime time. That way the husband and his new family can make some $$$ to pay for all of the bills and have a nice tidy little nest egg left for their future.

Now if you actually think Im serious you need to read Jonathan Swift. Having to actually watch her die and see it might make some of these cruel and heartless judges reconsider and intervene for humane reasons.

Would she be better off dead, probably. Is starving her to death the right way? Hell no!
Lets start starving some of our death row scumbags who are enjoying a feast every day.

Isn't this screwed up?

1. Just because someone is moving around or reacting to the environment around them doesn't mean that they are aware of doing it. There are deeply ingrained reflexes in our neural and behavioral patterns called "instincts", and these will cause a person to react whether they are consciously doing it or not.

2. You do not know better the doctors. "What do doctors know anyways?" They have studied and trained for years and years at some of the hardest schools to get into in the world, and they get paid well over $100,000 to do their job, so I'd say they know a hell of a lot more than you bible-thumping medicine men. Up until the feeding tube was removed, there were virtually no doctors saying that she might be aware that she is starving to death. Any qualified neurologist would have said that she is a complete vegetable. The only ones saying otherwise are those hired by the parents.

3. Money is not an issue in this case. I am very confident that the husband has been offered large sums of money to keep his wife alive. On the subject of money, though, we spend millions and millions of it keeping these "vegetables" alive each year. It's as if we are keeping them alive just for the sake of saying they are alive, when in all practical sense of the word, they aren't. We could use that money to build new schools or reform social security, but no, let's use it to keep a bunch of "vegetables" alive instead. People need to just let go and realize that sometimes you lose someone you love, and keeping the body around with a pulse in it isn't going to make them any more alive; it's just a waste of money and a serious blow to the dignity of your loved one.

Using modern medicine to save lives is great and all, but you have to draw a line somewhere. People die. Terry Schiavo is already dead, in my opinion. Spending millions of dollars a year to keep a human shell around is ridiculous, and really exemplifies how much this country, this culture, is bound by fear: the fear that, someday, someone you love may have to let you go, and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.

Well, it's official: SHE'S DEAD NOW!!!!!!!! Terri Schiavo finally departed from this world. She died this morning after 13 days off the feeding tube. Now the contreversy will continue, of course, but everyone should just shut the fuck up about it and let the woman rest in peace.

It's about goddamn time. Let the religious wars begin.

It's about goddamn time. Let the religious wars begin.

Thats for another section :grinno:

Now the contreversy will continue, of course, but everyone should just shut the fuck up about it and let the woman rest in peace.
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