05 GT Who's idea was this?

I went on stang cruise Sunday, one of the guys there had an 05 GT and I learned something about this car I really don't like.

There is no throttle cable linkage on this car. Im sure some of you know this already but I didn't. Theres a sensor connected to the gas pedal that tells the sensor at the throttle body to advance as you mash the gas.:wtf:

Don't dig that at all. What happens 10 years from now when one of those sensors takes a crap?

I went on stang cruise Sunday, one of the guys there had an 05 GT and I learned something about this car I really don't like.

There is no throttle cable linkage on this car. Im sure some of you know this already but I didn't. Theres a sensor connected to the gas pedal that tells the sensor at the throttle body to advance as you mash the gas.:wtf:

Don't dig that at all. What happens 10 years from now when one of those sensors takes a crap?


I knew about it... many aftermarket parts makers were worried about it.

I went on stang cruise Sunday, one of the guys there had an 05 GT and I learned something about this car I really don't like.

There is no throttle cable linkage on this car. Im sure some of you know this already but I didn't. Theres a sensor connected to the gas pedal that tells the sensor at the throttle body to advance as you mash the gas.:wtf:

Don't dig that at all. What happens 10 years from now when one of those sensors takes a crap?


It's a cool thing, you can tweak the rate that it opens the trottle blade.

The military has been using that technology for a while, it's reliable.

well it increases thottle response by alot. the only thing that sucks ford used this to close the thottle blades during shifts to help prolong the life of the tranny. it also shuts down power under "aggresive driving" but superchips have a repromgramer that reprograms the ecu and by fixing the computer interfrence u gain like 27 hp(off the top of my head) to the wheels. yes i am dead serious.

u gain like 27 hp(off the top of my head) to the wheels. yes i am dead serious.


holy shit!!

well it increases thottle response by alot. the only thing that sucks ford used this to close the thottle blades during shifts to help prolong the life of the tranny. it also shuts down power under "aggresive driving" but superchips have a repromgramer that reprograms the ecu and by fixing the computer interfrence u gain like 27 hp(off the top of my head) to the wheels. yes i am dead serious.


Yep, there is power to be gained.

I took my buddies 2005 GT out for another drive, came across a 2005 BENTLEY CONTINENTAL GT while on my way to London on the M4, he tried to shake me in the straights, I don't think so, but as soon as we came into a sweeping turn, the Bentley toasted me. The Stock suspension needs help. We ordered some Eibach Pro springs, I hope this helps.

The Mustang begain to float at higher speeds in those wide turns which really has put me off, but the Stang is really not meant for that type of driving coming from the factory. We hope the new springs will improve the road handling. From what I have seen posted on them, it should help a lot. It will bring the center of gravity down about 1 1/2"s, and a little bit stiffer is always good, well to a point.

Its better then you think I was really impressed with it.

wow i learned soemthign aswell.

Hmmm well the throttle blades closing between shifts to save the tranny doesn't surprise me at all, look at the 94-95 computers. The fact that the computer interference can be taken out of the equasion is good. 27hp gain to the wheels sounds a little overrated. To me that means that if they had just used the cable in the first place than this car would be putting out 320hp or better stock. Am I right?


As far as reliability is concerned. This is the first year this cable less throttle has been used. (not even a year) We don't know how reliable it is yet. Reliablity is determined by the quality of parts used. And secondly after learning from the dealership that they shitcan parts on anything over 10 yrs old just puts a bad taste in my mouth. I mean for the guy who's planning on keeping it for the long haul now you've got something else to go bad that you never had to worry about before.

It was my idea. Sorry guys. My bad. :(

i see ur not banned anymore... :bigthumb:

Who got banned?

dampachi

dampachi

Cool, we should start a club.

I have been banned twice :D

Yeah...I got banned for 'having an attitude' with a moderator in a forum about voicing your opinion. Oh well. Oh yeah..then another moderator thought it was necessary to double the length of time I was banned for. I didn't even know what I did. And even to this day I can't figure out what I said that made them ban me. Oh well. The past is the past. I'm glad someone missed me. 8-)

whats with the new sig?

I went on stang cruise Sunday, one of the guys there had an 05 GT and I learned something about this car I really don't like.

There is no throttle cable linkage on this car. Im sure some of you know this already but I didn't. Theres a sensor connected to the gas pedal that tells the sensor at the throttle body to advance as you mash the gas.:wtf:

Don't dig that at all. What happens 10 years from now when one of those sensors takes a crap?
That technology is what we use in aviation. The latest versions of the Boeing 737 use it to control their engines. There are no cables, pushrods, etc. connecting the throttles to the engine control units. If it's safe and reliable for use in aircraft, then it should be perfectly safe and reliable for use in cars. It's called progress. I'm sure if you drive a new 05 you will get used to the idea.

Progress huh, well only time will tell. Just looks like something else to go bad to me. I guess what really puts a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing is this. I went to the dealership the other day to get a couple of misc engine bolts for my car. Now my car is a 94, the dealer told me that ford is nolonger gonna keep parts on any vehicle over 10 yrs old and I needed to find either a salvage yard or someplace online to get my parts.

So you can imagine what was going through my head when I found out about this cable less throttle body.

Yea, 10 years is pretty much the standard.

but what happends if the sensors messes up and it keeps accelerating the car?? it wont stop right?? i was just wondering.

but what happends if the sensors messes up and it keeps accelerating the car?? it wont stop right?? i was just wondering.

Well theres an easy answer to that question.....turn the car off. Who cares anyway.....i mean its a mustang.....going fast is a good thing. now if it was stuck at idle id be pissed.

Ford is gonna do what they're gonna do as far as their throttle design. Hopefully when the time comes and their cableless throttle system reaches it's useful life, the aftermarket producers will have an affordable and easily replaceable part. I just replaced my fuel pump on my 97 Grand Cherokee with an aftermarket pump that was quite a bit cheaper than that which the dealer wanted to charge. It works just the same as the OEM part.

The military has been using that technology for a while, it's reliable.

That technology is what we use in aviation. The latest versions of the Boeing 737 use it to control their engines. There are no cables, pushrods, etc. connecting the throttles to the engine control units. If it's safe and reliable for use in aircraft, then it should be perfectly safe and reliable for use in cars.

Now, i may be a newb, but i think i can safely say this much. in the military, the government usually only wnat the most reliable parts they can find, therefore are willing to spend a few extra grands here and there, so of couse thier cabless throttle body will be extermely reliable, i maen if it's on the hum-vee's (which i'm assumeing you're insenuating) it's going threw all sorts of shit, like river water, and mud, so enough said on that one. Now the airline industry, it's not that they just so happen to want the best, they have to, you can't have a sensor like that bug out on you in the sky, then the industry would done with, so using the new boeing 737, it's a good example, but not good for this situation, and knowing motor companies today, a part that may fail in a few years (lets say two) is another good way for them their dealerships to make money untill the complaints pile in, now i know that's giveing a conspiracy, but another reason for lack of reliability, this is a car company we're talking about. they can afford to spend less money than Boeing and the Government, so that's more reason to believe it may be less reliable. i understand that a sensor maybe a cheap thing for a company like GM or Ford, but sensors are...well sensitive and easy to break as always, so as eillob said, there's no real proof that it's reliable in cars untill it proves it self on the street.

just thought i'll have my say...i'll sit back and wait to be shot down now.

Very good points my thoughts exactly. Sensors go bad plain and simple, its cool now because its new. Won't be cool when the sensor keeps the throttle open after you take your foot off the gas.

wait i said something right....SWEET
ok moment of victory over....

Dampachi i missed you too!!

Dampachi i missed you too!!


awwwwww :smooch:

The throttle-by-wire set-up is actually well tested and has been around a long time. The power-stroke diesels have used it way back into the 90's.

as for the sensor going bad, id assume it'd give you a CEL if it was going bad, and for that matter, a throttle cable could snap or stuck just as easily as a sensor could go bad

well..alright, with taht taken into acount, and i guess the fact that when ford was designing the '05 mustang they were looking to really hit the enthusiast market, so quality in a few key parrts (suchs as the sensors, and cabeless throttlebody, and etc.) would be taken into acount, don't want to piss off your largest buyers, but, though taht gives me a bit more confidence in it, i woudl still prefer to prove it to me on the street, but the chances of me getting behind an '05 is slim to none, and the only way i'll be able to test the full advantae of it is if i knew enough about programming the ECU. So, i'll just be content with that. It's not my problem (yet...). so i might as well poke it with a stick from a distance and learn what i can before it becomes MY problem. :icon16:

well..alright, with taht taken into acount, and i guess the fact that when ford was designing the '05 mustang they were looking to really hit the enthusiast market, so quality in a few key parrts (suchs as the sensors, and cabeless throttlebody, and etc.) would be taken into acount, don't want to piss off your largest buyers, but, though taht gives me a bit more confidence in it, i woudl still prefer to prove it to me on the street, but the chances of me getting behind an '05 is slim to none, and the only way i'll be able to test the full advantae of it is if i knew enough about programming the ECU. So, i'll just be content with that. It's not my problem (yet...). so i might as well poke it with a stick from a distance and learn what i can before it becomes MY problem. :icon16:

BUT ITS NEW!!! Thats what dealers say. Then the stupid people fall for it because they can say they have the new technology. Anything can go wrong in a car, computers have their advantages and disadvantages just like everything else. I imagine they will keep these sensors in newer stangs, and if theses go out they could make a conversion to fix the problem.

well i guess it all depends on what you're saying it's new for, it's obviously not new for boeing and the military, but those two don't really mean didaly squate in regards to this, and i don't really know anyhting about powerstroke-diesels. hell it was only this passed year that i really started getting into cars and this has been the most i've learned since, so i'm still pretty much fresh meat for the auto world. But as i see it, the throttle body, wether on a diesel or gasoline enigne, serves the same basic function, and will probably work relatively the same in terms of throttle linkage, so if this technology has been in powerstroke-diesels since the earlier 90's, then it's not neccessarily new to the automotive world, just new to the gasoline engines in mainstream manufacturers, such as ford, and gm. so even though they may not relaly be spending as much, since the 90's the quality of the technology it's self should be realatively reliable, so you can't expect this change to be too horrible. though i've never really found a sensor GOING bad, i just found that it goes bad and that the end of it, so i don't think any warning lights would help, they'll just have to garuntee it for either life, or tlel you it's life expectancy, and if they say it's much longer than it really is...then you can start really complaing about being unreliable (and i'm not just talkign about the senors either, i know that alot of dealers down here in louisiana and can be absolute ass's, and expecially some of these samll time garage owners, the only really decent ones down here now are some of these little tuner garages). So untill some reall proof shows it's self, for either arguement, keep an open mind. of course keep your opinion, but don't be completely against it, give it an equal chance.

not like you really have that much of a choice, unless they come out with some cable linkage converstion kits.

oh and definitely peopel are goign to fall for it becuase the dealers are saying it's new...but lots of dealers usually don't know much about what they're boasting about, they don't have service manuals from the manufacturer for their up and coming library-o-automotive mechanics, as much ass that woudl kick for newbs like my self, but of course they're goign to boast it becuase it draws buisness, buthink about it, it also all depends as to were those loations are boasting, some locations might as well keep it quite unless it's asked, becuase some areas are full of enthusiast that believe in the true muscle car, and that's what the '05 was basiclaly ment to try and bring back, so i guess it depends as to what dealers you're talking about, it's all about the sales, not they're knowledge of the vehicle. so like i said keep an open mind, and if your skeptical well tturnpaw, you're porbably right they'll come out with some kind of converstion to fix it all, or do some kind of recall, and it will all be back to cable linkage