What sounds better
bjdm151
03-21-2005, 04:38 PM
This is about as non technical as it gets, but the question still remains and i really don't know either. In one corner you have a big block with a super charger the size of Ted Kennedy on top that rumbles so loud it will stop a heart from beating. In the other corner is a 3 liter v10 that spins so fast they used to cheat by floating the valves and turning it into a 2 stroke. What sounds better, top fuel dragster or F1?
Autopro
03-21-2005, 07:28 PM
Top Fuel Dragster!
AutoPro
AutoPro
SnoopisTDI
03-23-2005, 06:36 AM
I voted for the F1 car, man that sound sends a chill down my spine, I love it! But I must admit I have not been to a Top Fuel race... yet!
Ridenour
03-23-2005, 08:14 PM
F1 baby.
by the way, Micheal Schumaker is a god amongst men
by the way, Micheal Schumaker is a god amongst men
RandomTask
03-24-2005, 10:54 AM
I've been to both and I have to say, while I respect F1 for how efficient their motors are (1030HP from a NA 3.0 Liter) Theres just no replacing top fuel. If you ever go you'll be able to understand, absolutely INSANE, that rumble is so loud, you feel it more than you hear it, and when they launch or clean their tires, its frightening...
bjdm151
03-25-2005, 10:51 PM
Schumi may not be a god with the equipment he has as of yet this season. We shall see............
Congrats to red bull
Congrats to red bull
Adamsindrey
03-27-2005, 10:17 AM
top fuel dragster gets my vote.
Cars with whiny engines dont sound too good in my oppinion, and thats why my 1979 1300 with a red line of 5600rpm sounds better thn my dads 94 2000 with a red line of 7000+!
Cars with whiny engines dont sound too good in my oppinion, and thats why my 1979 1300 with a red line of 5600rpm sounds better thn my dads 94 2000 with a red line of 7000+!
sracing
03-27-2005, 12:55 PM
Top Fuel Dragster!
AutoPro
Try running it for a couple hours. :smile:
An F1 engine puts out far more HP between rebuilds.
Jim
SR
AutoPro
Try running it for a couple hours. :smile:
An F1 engine puts out far more HP between rebuilds.
Jim
SR
public
03-27-2005, 01:38 PM
Top Fuel. The rumble is insane.
beef_bourito
03-28-2005, 08:31 AM
I like them both but f1 gets my vote because they use the highest technology available to them but top fuelers still use roots blowers. Plus f1 engines run longer, fires are less likely, and i find it more interesting because going in a straight line really doesn't seem like much fun after a couple of runs.
Schister66
03-28-2005, 11:13 AM
If you have seen top fuel in real life the sound that the two cars makes going down the track is loud enough to shake your soul. When two cars are powerful enough to shake the grandstand underneath you its heartstopping.
SaabJohan
03-28-2005, 12:14 PM
If you haven't seen this clip, you should see it:
http://members.rennlist.com/graham_mitchell/F1_Engine_show_AEsco48.mpeg
Renault also have some nice video and sound clips on their website
http://www.renaultf1.com/en/car/engine/
Asiatechs F1 engine was also used to play "When the saints come marsching in", don't have any link for that though.
http://members.rennlist.com/graham_mitchell/F1_Engine_show_AEsco48.mpeg
Renault also have some nice video and sound clips on their website
http://www.renaultf1.com/en/car/engine/
Asiatechs F1 engine was also used to play "When the saints come marsching in", don't have any link for that though.
RandomTask
03-28-2005, 11:09 PM
Schumi may not be a god with the equipment he has as of yet this season. We shall see............
Congrats to red bull
BTW, he's still using last years equipment. Wait till he gets his new car, then all will die....
A top fuel is limited to the blower it can use, its in the rules.
8000+hp? heres some facts on it:
* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more
horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes
1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of
fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4
times the energy density.
* The supercharger takes more power to drive
then a stock hemi makes.
* With nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in
by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture
is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.
* Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.
* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture
(for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures
7050 degrees F.
* Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white
flame seen above the exhaust stacks at night is raw
burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water
vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during
a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from
compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at
1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down
by cutting off it's fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned
nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes
with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block
in pieces or blow the block in half.
* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20
degrees in the big end of the crank) that sometimes
cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-
phase the valve timing somewhere closer to syn-
chronization with the pistons.
* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must
accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching
200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.
* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for
free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run
costs $1000.00 per second.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before
you have read this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from
light to light!
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current
TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds
for the quarter mile.This means that you could be coming
across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter
powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph
(on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT
you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter
mile distance!
Congrats to red bull
BTW, he's still using last years equipment. Wait till he gets his new car, then all will die....
A top fuel is limited to the blower it can use, its in the rules.
8000+hp? heres some facts on it:
* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more
horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes
1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of
fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4
times the energy density.
* The supercharger takes more power to drive
then a stock hemi makes.
* With nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in
by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture
is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.
* Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.
* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture
(for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures
7050 degrees F.
* Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white
flame seen above the exhaust stacks at night is raw
burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water
vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during
a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from
compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at
1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down
by cutting off it's fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned
nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes
with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block
in pieces or blow the block in half.
* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20
degrees in the big end of the crank) that sometimes
cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-
phase the valve timing somewhere closer to syn-
chronization with the pistons.
* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must
accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching
200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.
* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for
free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run
costs $1000.00 per second.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before
you have read this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from
light to light!
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current
TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds
for the quarter mile.This means that you could be coming
across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter
powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph
(on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT
you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter
mile distance!
SaabJohan
03-30-2005, 01:31 PM
BTW, he's still using last years equipment. Wait till he gets his new car, then all will die....
A top fuel is limited to the blower it can use, its in the rules.
8000+hp? heres some facts on it:
* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more
horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes
1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of
fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4
times the energy density.
* The supercharger takes more power to drive
then a stock hemi makes.
* With nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in
by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture
is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.
* Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.
* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture
(for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures
7050 degrees F.
* Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white
flame seen above the exhaust stacks at night is raw
burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water
vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during
a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from
compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at
1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down
by cutting off it's fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned
nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes
with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block
in pieces or blow the block in half.
* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20
degrees in the big end of the crank) that sometimes
cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-
phase the valve timing somewhere closer to syn-
chronization with the pistons.
* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must
accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching
200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.
* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for
free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run
costs $1000.00 per second.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before
you have read this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from
light to light!
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current
TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds
for the quarter mile.This means that you could be coming
across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter
powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph
(on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT
you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter
mile distance!
The output of a top fuel is probably more like 6000 hp, or perhaps even less since they now have reduced the nitromethane content in the fuel.
Most of those "facts" have been up before, and many of them you can laugh about because they aren't true at all. Some have some truth in them, but many of them are misunderstood. For example so to the magnetos apply 44 amps to each coil, but that is the primary currant, the secondary, which is what the plug sees is only about 1.2 amps.
A top fuel is limited to the blower it can use, its in the rules.
8000+hp? heres some facts on it:
* One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more
horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes
1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of
fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747, but with 4
times the energy density.
* The supercharger takes more power to drive
then a stock hemi makes.
* With nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in
by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture
is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition.
* Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock.
* Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug.
This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture
(for nitro), the flame front of nitro methane measures
7050 degrees F.
* Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white
flame seen above the exhaust stacks at night is raw
burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water
vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during
a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from
compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at
1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down
by cutting off it's fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned
nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes
with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block
in pieces or blow the block in half.
* Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20
degrees in the big end of the crank) that sometimes
cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-
phase the valve timing somewhere closer to syn-
chronization with the pistons.
* To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must
accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching
200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is
closer to 8G's.
* If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for
free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run
costs $1000.00 per second.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before
you have read this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines ONLY turn 540 revolutions from
light to light!
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* To give you an idea of this acceleration, the current
TF dragster elapsed time record is 4.477 seconds
for the quarter mile.This means that you could be coming
across the starting line in your average Lingenfelter
powered "twin-turbo" Corvette at 200 mph
(on a FLYING START) and the dragster would BEAT
you to the finish line FROM A DEAD STOP in a quarter
mile distance!
The output of a top fuel is probably more like 6000 hp, or perhaps even less since they now have reduced the nitromethane content in the fuel.
Most of those "facts" have been up before, and many of them you can laugh about because they aren't true at all. Some have some truth in them, but many of them are misunderstood. For example so to the magnetos apply 44 amps to each coil, but that is the primary currant, the secondary, which is what the plug sees is only about 1.2 amps.
bjdm151
03-30-2005, 01:39 PM
BTW, he's still using last years equipment. Wait till he gets his new car, then all will die....
That is why i said "as of yet," and "We shall see..."
Top fuel is cool, yea, but they are constantly looking for the next "trick" to get another 1/10 of a second. F1 is constantly developing new technology to win races.
That is why i said "as of yet," and "We shall see..."
Top fuel is cool, yea, but they are constantly looking for the next "trick" to get another 1/10 of a second. F1 is constantly developing new technology to win races.
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