post racing stories here

what have u won against and lost against??

Also please note I am TOTALLY against street racing (aka idiocy) of any form! The streets are for commuting not racing. Please take it to the auto-x course, drag strip or track. Where it is under controlled environment and the other guys is definatly racing you! :D

The problem I have with street racing is it's not a real contest of speed but who has the bigger balls and the smaller brain who wins.

For certain reasons I agree with Jason. However in Montreal we have a "scene" for that here. Japanese hot rods are very common and we have places we hang and race..So the other guy IS racing and balls aren't an issue but there are a few small brains out there.

Also we do this at night in an area called Pointe aux Trembles it is a district that has only refineries and warehouses so this area has no traffic at all at night.

I guess it all depends on how you look at it, the police have had no problems with it cuz they haven't gotten any complaints and they haven't seen us up to it yet...no injuries reported so far in 2 years of racing there.

Call it what you want it's still street racing on public streets and it's still dangerous. Do they have safety crews with extinguishers and medics on stand by? It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed there.

I'm not saying track/strip racing is not without its dangers but there are controls and rules there that could save your life.

Since we are all G20/Primera owners, lets held our heads higher than all the Honduh/Asscura people and stay away from street racing...if someone challanges you, type out an invitation and meet on the track. There you can go all out using both all you got on your car and of course your driving skills to determine the outcome. Keep in mind that this should be fun...even you lose, who cares, ask the "winner" for driving tips, wha't the best line to take, where's the braking point...etc.
i hate the "racing" scene in the US...it's just liket hat movie, the Fat and the Fruiteous....not my style.

Originally posted by G-Forces
Call it what you want it's still street racing on public streets and it's still dangerous. Do they have safety crews with extinguishers and medics on stand by? It's only a matter of time before someone gets killed there.

I'm not saying track/strip racing is not without its dangers but there are controls and rules there that could save your life.

Like I said I agree with you completely and no there is obviously no crew there to save my life. You guys may stay away from it and I respect that but until they build a track for me here what am I to do for a little racing action? Besides it's not like we tear around the whole city where and when ever we want.

BTW I'm not out there every weekend like a lot of others but I do like to tear up the street from time to time and street racing or not I'm sure we're ALL guilty of some fast driving on public roads from time to time. :)

The other night some 21 year old kid died while street racing in Oakland, Cali. He wasn't even wearing a seat belt. He lost control, hit the curb and his MR2 flipped over. It's pretty sad to think that you may be planning something for tomorrow, and the next day you're dead. Supposedly his girlfriend was in the car with him but she lived. Man, I would never race with my girlfriend in the car with me, but then again, I wouldn't go out of my way to race either.

I sometimes do race, but I dont do it down the whole road or something. Like this one time when I was at a stoplight with a neon r/t, I burned him, and he just stopped trying. then I was racing a vw golf, and i burned her, and she stopped trying. So after that I slow down. I dont race and go over to the opposite lanes and stuff just so I could beat the other guy, if there is a car in front of me I slow down, whether I win or loose.
I do sometimes cut people off, but I make sure that there is always space between me and them, and that we dont hit. street racing should be fun, come on now. Dont be all protective and stuff, if you make it safe, then it will go safe. But oh well.

There we go, Koojo got what I was sayin...thats the type of racing I sometimes will do...clean fun...well sorta...but like I said, build me a track and I'll behave 100% of the time.

Originally posted by zykotik
There we go, Koojo got what I was sayin...thats the type of racing I sometimes will do...clean fun...well sorta...but like I said, build me a track and I'll behave 100% of the time.

Sorry, but that's lame.

Mt. Tremblant is one of the best tracks in North America and it was recently completely refurbished.

If it's drag racing you want to do, if there are no tracks in Quebec, I guarantee you there are tracks just over the border.

For the rest of you guys.....

I must say, I really resisted looking at this thread because of my staunch anti-street racing stand. I am proud of you guys and proud to be part of your community.

If you want some reasons to not street race....

<http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/broward/digdocs/075124.htm>;

Or, this is about one of the SR20 community....

<http://www.se-r-list.org/archives/1998/1998-06/msg00521.html>;

Lastly, this was posted to the SoCal SERCA list. Be sure to look at the last 5 photos. Beware if you have a weak stomach....

<http://www.speedoptions.com/news_headline.asp?aID=1680&ref=default&v=4&pg=0>;

Jason is 100% correct about street racing. Oh, and it's seldom a fair contest.

If you are interested in taking it to a road course, I will be more than happy to help you get to your first event and not only be safe, but learn quickly. I've attended the Spenard-David Racing School (David Empringham was my instructor), two SCCA schools, raced karts for a number of years, and instructed at the SERCA convention a month and a half ago.

Don't worry if your car is stock or near stock. That's OK. I drove one classic SE-R that had stock suspension, wheels, and brakes. It was well prepared and very safe and fun to drive.

Wooohoooo, tomorrow (saturday) i'll be hitting the tracks again...last even was 2 months ago and i am itching for another!!!
So I should have some interesting stories to post here...there always is an interesting story...
Once upon a time, Luke was just enjoying himself on the track and beating the crap out of his P11 G20 when he caught up to a white Lexus GS300 that has a "Aristo" badge in the back. From the loud blowoff valve, Luke knew that the Aristo means business while cloud of smoke came out of his dual exhaust and pulled away on the straights...the location was Big Track, Willow Springs.
Anyway, due to his superb car driving skills :D Luke keeps tailing the turbo-charged, 380hp (later confirmed) Aristo through numerous turns only to be separated by the 2 straights that's found on the front and the back of the track. Common courteousy says that if a guy behind you tails you for 80% of the time (we have strict rules about not passing in turns...it's not a open full-on race but just doing time attacks on the track) you should back off on the straights and let the faster guy pass you so both of us can have fun on the track. Anyway, to make a long story short, he kept pounding the gas whenever he can on the straights and eventually, he blew his turbo on the third lap on turn 3 and there was oil, gaskets, sparks of fire everywhere....
The point of this story? I kick ass....hehe jk, ....big HP cars, dont always win...even if its on the track that's designed for big HP cars, as in this case.

Is it the intention of those who do not approve of street racing to prevent those who approve from glorifying it?

I'm reading this thread and thinking to myself how interesting it is that those opposed to street racing are so much opposed that they could almost be trying to prevent others from doing it . . .

I don't smoke crack . . . that's just one of my personal "hang-ups" . . . yet, I don't believe I'd try to snatch a crack pipe from a smoker, or preach to a bunch of crack heads so that I can get them to see the proverbial light . . .

I just wonder if we can't all have/give enough room for everyone to have their views, and still feel as though they can share their experience or lack thereof . . . share their likes and dislikes . . . all in an environment that stimulates and encourages a difference in opinion.

Just for a twist on the normal . . . I street race from time to time, yet I'd never encourage another to do it . . .
:sun:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by P10DET


Sorry, but that's lame.

Mt. Tremblant is one of the best tracks in North America and it was recently completely refurbished.

If it's drag racing you want to do, if there are no tracks in Quebec, I [B]guarantee you there are tracks just over the border.

As I said before and will repeat one last time, I agree that street racing is dangerous...that said P10DET it is obvious that you do not live near here at all cuz Mt.Tremblant and Montreal are 2 different places far enough away from each other (1.5 hr drive minimum) and across the border?!?! Ok these are surely nice places to race and I`d like to head over there but money and time can sometimes be an issue...either way I think I was misunderstood from the start. So I`ll explain one last time what kind of racing happens here in Montreal.

It all takes place in a district called Pointe aux Trembles, the track (or street for those who are sticklers to terms) is a roadway that is no longer used by the city as refinery it is adjacent to is permanently closed. There is a new road for real traffic. The people that race there use ONLY that road for racing and its straight from start to finish. The police here tolerate us at this location only..(Hell they watch us half the time).

Points in favor of this type of racing being considered lame:

No emergency crews on track (except for the cops that watch us)
Technically this is a public road.

All I`m really trying to say here is that I agree completely with the fact that it is dangerous and can be stupid. I also respect you opinion however, there is no reason to call me lame about it... Try to convince me you`ve never done it yourself and/or even never speed when on a public roadway. Just being realistic, even if I did`nt road race from time to time I`d still be seen speeding from time to time.

Peace!

Originally posted by zykotik
P10DET it is obvious that you do not live near here at all cuz....


You shouldn't make such assumptions. I was born and raised in Rochester, NY. I've been to Quebec as well as a great many places in Canada. I've raced in Canada. I attended racing school in Canada. No, I'm not from Quebec, but I've been to a fair amount of Canada in and around Quebec. :D

Originally posted by zykotik
Mt.Tremblant and Montreal are 2 different places far enough away from each other (1.5 hr drive minimum) and across the border?!?! Ok these are surely nice places to race and I`d like to head over there but money and time can sometimes be an issue...


I know full well that they are two differenct places. I also know well enough that Mt. Tremblant is very near you. I'd have a (CENSORED ) if I lived near that track. Shoot, all we have is Texas World Speedway (with road course) and Motorsports Ranch near me. One is two hours away and the other is 5 hours away. Then there are the SCCA races I will be driving to that are even farther away. :)

My point is that they are near enough to you that it's not an excuse. Shoot, I know plenty of people who drive as much as eight hours to participate in track events (not to mention sanctioned racing). You're actually one of the lucky ones. :)

Originally posted by zykotik
either way I think I was misunderstood from the start.


Actually, I understood you completely. I wasn't trying to flame you. Jason will vouch for me, if I'm trying to flame you, you'll KNOW. :D

Originally posted by zykotik
It all takes place in a district called Pointe aux Trembles, the track (or street for those who are sticklers to terms) is a roadway that is no longer used by the city as refinery it is adjacent to is permanently closed. There is a new road for real traffic. The people that race there use ONLY that road for racing and its straight from start to finish. The police here tolerate us at this location only..(Hell they watch us half the time).


I know exactly what you are talking about. We have a place just like that in Houston. Someone was injured seriously when someone late at night turned onto this road while a race was underway.

Originally posted by zykotik
All I`m really trying to say here is that I agree completely with the fact that it is dangerous and can be stupid. I also respect you opinion however, there is no reason to call me lame about it... Try to convince me you`ve never done it yourself and/or even never speed when on a public roadway. Just being realistic, even if I did`nt road race from time to time I`d still be seen speeding from time to time.

Wait a sec! I wasn't calling you lame. Your excuse, however, is lame. I'm not trying to flame you, but just being honest.

It's like saying, "Yeah, I shoot my assualt rifle (OK, maybe not in Canada :) ) in the city because it's just too far to go to the range. Both are just as lethal. Like I said, I'm not trying to flame you. If I can get you to see it in another light, I've accomplished something. :D

As for speeding, that is a totally different subject. Why? Because when you are speeding, you can quit any time. When you are street racing, you are responsible for the other guy as well. Think about that. You are held as responsible as the other guy should someone get hurt or killed. Speeding can be quite dangerous and stupid as well, but on the open road, if you are not weaving through traffic and not tailgating anyone, and generally being a courtious driver, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

One last time, I'm not trying to flame you. I'm just trying to get you to think differently about it.

Lastly......

If you get caught and lose your license, how cool is your car that is sitting still now? I may sound like an old fart (I am), but even when I was 16, this was always in the back of my mind. I try to never do anything that will cost me my license.

Have fun. Be safe.

:jump:

Originally posted by i_rebel
Is it the intention of those who do not approve of street racing to prevent those who approve from glorifying it?


Among other things. :)

Originally posted by i_rebel
I'm reading this thread and thinking to myself how interesting it is that those opposed to street racing are so much opposed that they could almost be trying to prevent others from doing it . . .


Preventing? No. Convincing not to? Sure, you bet. :D

Originally posted by i_rebel
I don't smoke crack . . . that's just one of my personal "hang-ups" . . . yet, I don't believe I'd try to snatch a crack pipe from a smoker, or preach to a bunch of crack heads so that I can get them to see the proverbial light . . .


Interesting analogy Stephan. Let's explore it some more....

I am not (nor is anyone here) trying to either take your keys, or to park our cars in front of yours.

BUT, wouldn't you try to talk those you care about from smoking crack if you knew they were doing it? If they needed the high or the rush in their lives, wouldn't you try to show them that there were other, safer, more healthy ways of getting that rush or high? I'd like to think you would. :)

Originally posted by i_rebel
I just wonder if we can't all have/give enough room for everyone to have their views, and still feel as though they can share their experience or lack thereof . . . share their likes and dislikes . . . all in an environment that stimulates and encourages a difference in opinion.


Peer pressure can be a bad thing. It can also be a good thing. IMHO, this peer pressure is a good thing.

That said, this is a community or social group. Like any community or social group, there will be sensitive issues. Some social groups exist to talk about and participate in smoking crack. Some social groups don't tolerate it.

That said, I'm a newcomer here. If I'm off base for speaking up... that's fine. I'll shut up. If street racing becomes a major, or even regular topic, I'll go away, just like I would in any group discussing the enjoyment they get from crack smoking.

This doesn't mean I equate street racing with crack smoking, but the analogy is a good one. And you brought it up. :D

Originally posted by i_rebel
Is it the intention of those who do not approve of street racing to prevent those who approve from glorifying it?

Ding, ding, ding! There is nothing glamerous about street racing. I was VERY nearly in a street racing related accident. I wasn't racing but the two asshole who were came up on me so fast I didn't notice. I usually pride myself on being an observant driver and knowing where EVERY car on the freeway is in relation to myself.

Anyway, a black mustang suddenly appeared beside me and slowed down quickly. Instinctivly I looked in my rear view mirror and notice a car sideways on the freeway. The car cut to and collided with the barrier and white pickup truck t-boned him. I found out later that 3 cars were actually in the collision. The mustang took off like a bat out of hell, but not before I managed to get his vanity plate number. I almost laughed it was so easy to remember. Anyway I called the cops and gave my statement. I don't know if they caught him. I'm not positive it was a contest of speed but I have a feeling it was.

Street racing is street racing and it's dangerous no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to preach but I don't want to see any of you guys get killed, kill someone or end up in jail from stupidity. And yes, it can happen to you!

If you checked out the links that Geo (P10DET) posted you'll see that the one guy charged with manslaughter and dangerous driving did not actually hit anyone, but he was participating in the race. I think this case will set precident and that's a good thing. So now if the guy you race end's up killing himself and someone else, you will get charged. DONT STREET RACE!

Alright no hard feelings.

Yes I agree with you..I said it over and over. However your argument has cast me further into rethinking about my participation in such events. It`d be nice to attend racing schools and go to real tracks but man the costs kill me. By the time I`m through gettin the car built up the way I like it I have no money left for the costs of geting to racing school.

Here`s a twist to the convo... How would you suggest I can get myself to the real racing scene. I`m asking you for advice because your in that scene and I would like to give up petty road racing and get into something a little more real.

Oh and I know all about losing my licence...it`s happened. Before my G20 I had very fast Integra I got caught for 259 km/h in a 70 km/h zone (Highway 40 East near Langelier st.) The fine was 988$ I lost 12 points, the cop sent the car for mechanical inspection and I lost my licence for three months. My insurance went up 500$ the year after AND I had to pay 454$ to renew my licence. Needless to say I haven`t pulled a stunt like that since then...Other than the racing in PAT that I mentioned I haven`t done anymore than 140 km/h on the highway since then.

So now you know why I agree with you :) and my question remains how do I get into the real stuff? Who do I cantact etc.., I`m serious gimme some info and I will do it.

Thanks for any help you can offer me :)

I'd start buy finding some organized autocrosses in your area. They are pretty cheap, you can race what you brung, it's not hard on your car, they are usually pretty casual and you can learn alot. It's really fun and everyone is generally there to have a good time. If you want more speed then start looking at BMW clubs, Miada clubs and the such that do open hotlapping at Mosport, Shannonville and other tracks in the area. George can probably fill in more...

Originally posted by zykotik
Alright no hard feelings.


Excellent!! :D

Originally posted by zykotik
Yes I agree with you..I said it over and over. However your argument has cast me further into rethinking about my participation in such events. It`d be nice to attend racing schools and go to real tracks but man the costs kill me. By the time I`m through gettin the car built up the way I like it I have no money left for the costs of geting to racing school.

Here`s a twist to the convo... How would you suggest I can get myself to the real racing scene. I`m asking you for advice because your in that scene and I would like to give up petty road racing and get into something a little more real.

I am SO glad you asked. :)

Jason mentioned autocrossing. That didn't do it for me. I did it for a couple of years and here is what I found:

1) Some people took it way too seriously. There were people who showed up with competitive formula cars just to drive them about 3-6 minutes every other week or so. Crazy IMHO

2) I really wanted to race wheel to wheel. So, after I graduated from university, I bought a racing kart. Don't laugh. Michael Schumacher has it written into his contract that he is still allowed to race karts. Many F1 and Champ Car drivers started in karts and some even still race them in the off-season.

I guarantee you that you will learn more about preparation, set-up, and car control in a season of karting than 5 years of any other form of motorsports. I guarantee it.

What's more is that Canada has much better kart racing than the states. The states are catching up, but karting is taken more seriously and IMHO is run better in Canada. If you are lucky enough to be built like a F1 driver (low weight) unlike me, you can run Formula A. That is the same class they run in the world championships. Lee Bentham, a Canadian Formula Atlantic winner, started in karts and even raced at my home track. He eventually went to Europe. Anyway, in Canada you will find mostly direct drive karts. They are not as easy to get used to driving as clutch karts, but they will make you a better driver.

If you want to go to lapping events, I will fill you in on preparation as well as give some insight into the concepts you should know. I am working on an article or series of articles right now. I will finish it up after the DET is done. I'll send you an advanced copy.

It's possible to go lapping safely as long as you use your head and remember a few basic things. Most people who have had major crashes have done something stupid and compounded it by not remembering what they were told to do when they were in trouble. There was a video makings it's way through various mailing lists of a Scooby rolling at Lime Rock park. This was such an event. He turned in early but still could have saved it at least 2-3 ways. Instead he just didn't remember what he was told.

You don't even need a well modified car. Make sure it's mechanically sound. That's it. Race rubber is great but not absolutely necessary. Race pads are great, but if you have personal discipline, they are not necessary. Everything else is just gravy.

If you want to go car racing wheel to wheel, I strongly recommend doing karting first. As I said, you will learn more quickly. You will get more seat time. It's relatively inexpensive. The cost of a used kart is about half the cost of a used production based race car. When I went to SCCA school (part of getting my competition license), I drew more on my karting experience far more than any of my other experiences, including racing school - like 90% of what I drew on came from karting.

If you are firm about racing cars wheel to wheel, it would be best to contact your local CSN region and attend a few races. Find out about the classes and I think you will generally find most amateur racers love to help out those who are starting out.

And as always, I'll give as much help as I can. I just don't know the CSN classes.

If you want to go to lapping events, I will fill you in on preparation as well as give some insight into the concepts you should know. I am working on an article or series of articles right now. I will finish it up after the DET is done. I'll send you an advanced copy.


Hey thanks for all that Info and I am really interested in getting that lapping info you mentioned. I'd love to do karting (worked at a track for 2 years in Ottawa) but Ijust spent a heap of money on the G, it was accidented and automatic when I bought it and now its restored and 5 speed :) But I think I wanna put some money together for karting. In the meantime Autocross and Lapping will tide me over. I'm assuming I can info on lapping and autocross events at Mt.Tremblant? I definitely need to know about prep and setup...driving tips might be nice too but I'm not too bad behind the wheel....(thats the only thing I can say I got from street..not promoting street however I should've learned the right way)

If I did'nt mention it before you guys (Jason & George) woke me up to something I was already starting to realize: There is no place for racing on public streets. :) Must be nice to be told your right in the end eh ? ;)

I just wanted to note how glad I am to see what this thread has become. I mean it, guys!

P.S. Any ideas how a student on a budget can get into real racing in Estonia (where we have 1 track, and it is not up to standards)? No? Me neither... Oh well... :)

Originally posted by ales
I just wanted to note how glad I am to see what this thread has become. I mean it, guys!

P.S. Any ideas how a student on a budget can get into real racing in Estonia (where we have 1 track, and it is not up to standards)? No? Me neither... Oh well... :)

I'll bet there is kart racing reasonably near you. You should also look into whether there are clubs that do lapping events year you.

Those are the only things that come readily to mind.

Hi guys,

I was just wondering where the guys from toronto go lapping. Is there a place where I can just show up, pay a fee and do laps? Or do I have to take a prep course before lapping. I'd love to start karting but I've still got university to finish. In the mean time, lapping sounds good.

Thanks,

Joe

Well there's Shannonville, Mosport and Cayuga. I've been to Shannonville on the Fabi circuit twice. Both times it was organized by a group. They rent out the tracks so everyone usually splits the costs. If you go with a group of responsible guys it's pretty safe to. There's another group of us going to Shannonville again in August but it's full, sorry.

Thanks for the info Jason

BTW, is there anything I need interms of safety requirements before lapping and what is the cost (approx.)?

Oh yeah, you think you could let us know the next time you plan on going again.

Thanks,

Joe

for all the people complaining, i know this is a lil harsh but SHUT UP! let us do what we want, i respect your opinion, but i can do what i want, and i try to do it as safely as possible...... this thread is meant for all the good stories that all of us who enjoy street racing have....... if you want to complain about it please don't do it here, go and complain your freakin mouth off in the "your opinions about street racing thread"

also, you have no right to stereotype people who street race as "idiots" and "big balls, small brains"


thank you, biatch :D

well even though you dont like street racing this i think is my best racing story, so i was out at the local car hang out on saturday night at about midnight, i was in my 1995 black cobra conv. that has almost everything done to it except a stroker motor which is being put in it this week...

so i was standing there with my buddy who came with me and a 1996 viper that was white with blue stripes pulls into the parking lot we are at, he walks around and people are challenging him for me (i didnt ask tham too) to race me my car made 542 rwhp on the dyno the day before, his car had headers and full exhaust, throttle bodies, smooth tubes and k&n's and ready for this a 125 shot of juice, well he finaly walked up to me and asked me if i wanted to race i said not really, and he walked away, about 1/2 hour later he walked up to me again and said are you sure you dont want to race i said if you really want to i will (aint peer pressure a bitch) so i said i will if we start a 30mph in second gear he said ok so we hopped into our cars 2 people in each car and we went down the road about a mile and we turned around we slowly got up to 30 matched speeds and front bumpers and the passengers said when to go, well through second we weere even because it took all of 1 sec to get through that gear and we shifted into second he sprayed his juice but still couldnt seem to keep the speed going i started to pull slowly, end of third and im ahead by a car, 4th gear i pulled away still as i saw white mist coming from the viper again, so at 110mph i was around 1.5-2 car lengths ahead...

that is my all time favorite one...

I beat a riced out Prelude in my moms Oldsmobile Intrigue, he looked pretty surprised.:D

isn't a stock prelude faster than a intrigue?

I guess his wasn't :finger:

zykotik the cops will eventually find what ya'll are doing. In my city u can hardly even street race anymore because there are so many cops and there just lookin for street racers

and that's a bad thing?

zykotik the cops will eventually find out what ya'll are doing. In my town u can hardly even street race anymore because there are so many cops on the streets and there just looking for street racers

that is sweet

Rule of thumb around here is it's okay to dig up a thread thats about 3 months old... not a thread that's almost 3 years old.


Sheesh... making me have to work for the first time as a Mod. Not kewl.







Oh yes, Closed.