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Toksin
03-15-2005, 05:42 PM
http://www.examiner.ie/breaking/story.asp?j=160661440&p=y6x66zz7x&n=160662353&x=

Smith's rap revenge on Eminem

Will Smith has got his own back on Eminem for insulting him in rap The Real Slim Shady - by recording a track called Mr Nice which mocks the hip-hop star's bitter and jealous nature.

Eminem famously penned the lyrics, "Will Smith don't got to curse in his raps to sell records/ well I do, so f**k him and f**k you too," so Smith has written a track which contradicts Eminem's claim, by using a swear word to describe the Stan star.


Smith explains: "Life has put us in a situation where we're pitted against each other. But my track tells the truth."

And now the song lyrics from the Will Smith forums:

Mr. Nice Guy lyrics

Artist - Will Smith
Album - Lost And Found
Lyrics - Mr. Nice Guy

Yo, im here to set the record STRIAGHT.
You n***** don't want it with Big Willie
Let me put em to rest Jazzy Jeff
(Breathing Heavily)

Once again it's on
Wills here to end this beef
No more Mr. Nice Guy
Eminems career is deceased
Five years and runnin
You know I had to come back
Tell this dude what's up
Its time I clap back

(Chorus) X2
It aint over, it aint over
i'm bout to set it straight
it aint over, it aint over
Big Willie bout to clean his plate

(DJ Jazzy Jeff)
Oh its like that?
Don't think the movies is takin em away from the streets
Big Willie, tell em like it is!

Fo sho, fo sho
I play these cats like PS2
They step to this and get ran through
I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee
Eminem's from Detroit, but he cant see me
I've had the game on lock since 88
And now i'm here to tell these hatin ass n******, CHECKMATE

(Chorus)X2
It aint over, it aint over
i'm bout to set it straight
it aint over, it aint over
Big Willie bout to clean his plate

I made the industry
I aint takin this lightly
I used to wear Reeboks
Now i wear Nikes!!!
Can't believe I stooped to this
Slim shady, you aint the truth
Time to get my crown back
You was in the crib, NOW IM IN THE BOOTH!
My movies make millions
Your movies are weak
My movies set standards
Your movies are WEAK!!!!

(Chorus)X3

(Headphones drop, microphones drop,Beat Stops, DJ Jazzy Jeff heckling)
Time for the freestyle Fresh Prince!

Okay, WHAT, Okay, WHAT, yeah, yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo.....
WOO HA! i got Eminem in check.
Bout to take hime to him mom
That bitch look like Shrek!
WOO HA! AHHHHH Kncuk if you buck
Bout to do em in the bu tt
You know this song is the cut
Got groupies bent over like sluts!
Hit em Craig David!!!!!!!!!

(Craig David)
Can you fillllll me innnn?????

(Will Smith)
HELL NO!
(teenage voices)
'Ohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!'

(Will Smith)
Finish em COOLIO!!!!!

(Coolio)
We been spendin most our lives, livin in a gangsta's paradise
WOO HA!!

I'm Will Smith yes I'm the real Will Smith
All you other Will Smiths can just suck a DICK

(Record scratches, beat drops)

(Chorus) X1

(Porky Pig)
Bleet bleet bleet...
THATS ALL FOLKS!!





:lol:

Big willy is going to get raped.

MBTN
03-15-2005, 07:04 PM
Christ what is he thinking... I'm not a fan of rap/hip-hop and really don't care but jeez, Eminem is gonna rip him a new one.

drewh4386
03-15-2005, 07:20 PM
WTF????!!!! will didn't even diss him..LOL!!

Now willsmith enteredthe diss game to get sells. Maybe i need to do that so i can make some money fast....LOL

chevydrummer76
03-15-2005, 07:22 PM
will smith doesnt have any trouble making money

KustmAce
03-15-2005, 07:27 PM
Oooh...dissed by Will Smith. I got insulted by a 1st grader today. Kinda on the same level...

Besides, it took him THAT long to come back?

EDIT: Anyone got a copy of this song? I cant find it on my P2P.

drewh4386
03-15-2005, 07:30 PM
NO dude!! so "I" can make MONEY. Everybodys dissin in rap nowadays. No shit will smith doens't need money. I need attention to myself also. I don't like (insert artist here). Now I should make a record dissin somebody.

Gotti
03-15-2005, 10:17 PM
See if Eminem replies to this, it proves my point exactly from the "50 cent gets dissed by Jadakiss" thread

drewh4386
03-15-2005, 10:33 PM
if he does, he sucks. not really but that would be pathetic....

TexasF355F1
03-16-2005, 01:03 AM
So he's retaliating Em on something he said about 3 or 4 albums ago? :screwy: I had a lot of respect for Will Smith, but not I don't know what to think. Em probably won't say/do anything. I have never personally thought that Em was talking shit to Will, just saying shit.

KustmAce
03-16-2005, 01:11 AM
So he's retaliating Em on something he said about 3 or 4 albums ago? :screwy: I had a lot of respect for Will Smith, but not I don't know what to think. Em probably won't say/do anything. I have never personally thought that Em was talking shit to Will, just saying shit.

Em was just retaliating at Will Smith's stab at him at that award show in his song. Smith threw the first punch.

drewh4386
03-16-2005, 01:20 AM
Really?? what did he say??

KustmAce
03-18-2005, 02:25 PM
Will Smith one an award for best album or something, and during his acceptance speech said something like "This proves that I don't have to swear in my albums to win". This was toward the beginning of the Eminem controversy.

Fully_Sick
03-18-2005, 11:04 PM
OMG that was the wackest diss Ive ever read... :disappoin

Big Willie should of retired after getting Jiggy with it.

SniperX13
03-18-2005, 11:34 PM
and if there was ever a reason I needed to justify why I don't listen to hip hop crap..... I just found it.


why does this so remind me of kindergarten kids bickering during recess on the playground.

RickwithaTbird
03-19-2005, 12:03 AM
I don't believe thats a real song. That was seriously wack. I honestly could write something better than that. Will Smith isnt that damn retarded, I dont think. If I ever hear that song, and its really real, I wouldnt even know what to think. Its pathetic. I really don't think Will Smith is that lame. has anyone else heard this song?

BP2K2Max
03-19-2005, 12:39 PM
just google will smith and mr nice guy. it's true man. sad, but true

Gotti
03-19-2005, 05:18 PM
and if there was ever a reason I needed to justify why I don't listen to hip hop crap..... I just found it.


why would you judge all of hip hop by this garbage...

Go to the last page of the "50 cent gets dissed by Jadakiss" thread, and i bet whatever you listen to doesnt have that much depth to the lyrics

chevydrummer76
03-19-2005, 07:04 PM
some rap lyrics may be deep....the 90% of the stuff they play on the radio is about drugs, bitches, and dubs.

Toksin
03-19-2005, 08:22 PM
Rap on the radio = crap

Unless it's underground/alternative radio, ie not the mainstream stuff

Tony Stewart Fan
03-21-2005, 08:12 AM
I wonder what Will Smith's intentions are. He obviously thought this would get him some attention, but why is he trying to get this type of spotlight on him?

speedphreak
03-21-2005, 08:39 AM
Rap sucks. End of story.

-Chris

BP2K2Max
03-21-2005, 12:13 PM
Rap sucks. End of story.

-Chris
you're a fag, end of story



I wonder what Will Smith's intentions are. He obviously thought this would get him some attention, but why is he trying to get this type of spotlight on him?

any publicity is better than none. if it weren't for the song he made dissing eminem, we wouldn't be talking about him right now and no one would even care that he's putting another album out.

-Davo
03-21-2005, 10:19 PM
OH MY GOD, ANOTHER RAP ARTIST DISSES ANOTHER RAP ARTISTS, OMGZ0RS STOP THE PRESSS, HOLY SHIT, WHAT R WE GUNNA DO DR. DRE? OMG OMG Z0RS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN RECORDED HISTORY SOMEONE HAS DISSES ANOTHER ARTISTS OMG!!1!!!11!!!!!

Artists dissing other artisits dates way back to Mozart.

Why can't they get over the whole "hey I'm going to make a million bucks buy "writing" a song that tells another rap artists to go fuck him self and he'll "write" one about me, and make money off that, and the cycle will continue", it gets pathetic after awhile. And it's kinda old by now (I'm aware of the irony, for those who can't figure it out, I'll point it out, "OMG!!1!!!!11!!!!" in my above all-captions comment).


EVERY time a rap "star" "disses" another one, it's put all over the news, the internet, why? I don't know. So people rush out and buy the albums to hear their bullshit.

KustmAce
03-21-2005, 11:23 PM
OH MY GOD, ANOTHER RAP ARTIST DISSES ANOTHER RAP ARTISTS, OMGZ0RS STOP THE PRESSS, HOLY SHIT, WHAT R WE GUNNA DO DR. DRE? OMG OMG Z0RS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN RECORDED HISTORY SOMEONE HAS DISSES ANOTHER ARTISTS OMG!!1!!!11!!!!!

Artists dissing other artisits dates way back to Mozart.

Why can't they get over the whole "hey I'm going to make a million bucks buy "writing" a song that tells another rap artists to go fuck him self and he'll "write" one about me, and make money off that, and the cycle will continue", it gets pathetic after awhile. And it's kinda old by now (I'm aware of the irony, for those who can't figure it out, I'll point it out, "OMG!!1!!!!11!!!!" in my above all-captions comment).


EVERY time a rap "star" "disses" another one, it's put all over the news, the internet, why? I don't know. So people rush out and buy the albums to hear their bullshit.

It's a gold teef thing, you wouldn't understand. :biggrin:

-Davo
03-22-2005, 05:55 AM
hahaha prob not. Don't get me wrong, I quite like Will Smiths stuff, actually I normally love it, I tried to download the song but couldn't find anything.

Sorry if I may of offended in that post, I might be the only one that has a problem with the fact that the whole "rap vs. rap" is constantly publisized. I mean, seriously, why bother dissing other people in your music? That's what turned me off Eminem.

You never hear metal artists dissing other metal artists, we work together, we're family. There have been the occasional fued, but that's bassically it...other than the fact that two black metal bands hated each other so much that one of them killed the lead singer of the other and is now in jail for a while. But that's just aboot it.

-Davo out.

drewh4386
03-22-2005, 06:09 AM
Rap on the radio = crap

Unless it's underground/alternative radio, ie not the mainstream stuff
yep! the best stuff you don't even hear on the radio. That goes for any kind of music.



Also, you can't judge an artist by what song he has on the radio people.
I bought it but you guys should download krayzie bones new album and check out some of the things he says. Alot of real stuff when it comes to music. Unlikely riding the pop bandwagon and doing what everybody else is doing. That one song on the radio could just be the song that gets them notice by the trend or fad in music that is going on. but when you listen to the other songs, it a whole new ball game. which is why i really don't listen to the local radio stations anymore. I listen to xm. un-edited real, raw, some underground, artist and songs youv'e never heard of.

Toksin
03-22-2005, 06:35 AM
Davo - It's not a new thing. I only posted it because the song is so hilariously bad, it just had to be shared.

drewh4386
03-22-2005, 08:11 AM
i'd also like to add, there was a special on vh1 about rap music a few days ago. About the battling, dissing and other important aspects of rap music that non listeners fail to miss.
Some of you guys should check it out if you can find it. (maybe somebody uploaded it on the internet)

You cant hate something because you only skim through it. You'd miss all the important details. Rap is not all about dissin bitches, killing, drugs or big rims. They aren't real from the heart rappers. Nothing is bad or wrong about rapping about stuff that you want or have. what is wrong about rapping is trying to portray and do stuff that is not credible and unrealistic. Will smith is a party/happy rapper. some people naturally want to be the antagonist. Some people fit the natural bad guy description.
Some of the best poems are disguised as raps. What everybody is witnessing now in rap is the ugly side of dissin. Straight bullshit. When done correctly(battle rapping), it can and will bring the most creative stuff out of you. Basicaly whoever has the best use of the vocab skills will win. What the hell do you think american idol is? All of them are battling each other. The definately not on teams. True they aren't writing the music and they arent rapping but its the same concept. I am battling you for the throne. "American Idol" Rappers use that same formula. The people/listeners/public decide who is the winner. Not the artist. Although that artist may be better.
However when that 25+25 cent (dont say the name cause it is going to start a whole new shitty topic.) guy came out on a major deal, he made it even more marketable(1.4million in 4 days) to diss people because of his success at doing that.

edit> Also for the level of creativity comes higher gains and losses when it comes to battling.(which can severly affect an artists sells in a good or bad way.) That is what battling is about. Who can diss the most creative way. Some people go overboard and start to dis-respect
cause thats all they think it is. That is where shit happens

For those who don't know or understand (if you do, i am not talking to you!) why certain artist try so hard to sell through dissin is because
-1.Many artist aren't played on the air stations so they don't get heard. And when other artist are played all day isnt because of they are that good, its just because the middle men pay them too. Where do you think radio stations get money? Its not from charity
-2. Because of that reason above, it is hard to make actual money. (alot of artist you hear on the radio have sold lots and lots of records but are not making any money off them because of contract deals. So the pressure to get noticed increases. Therefore you could have a gold/platinum album and still live at your moms house.
-3. for that reason above let say a cd cost $15.00
the money off each sale is split to like 12 different middle men. So you would only get about 1.25 per sale. IF even that. That decreases with groups. 1.25/(X group members) and also that is taxed also. Concerts/shows is where alot of artist make there money from.



Bascialy there nothing wrong with dissing and it keeps fuel going longer. WWE is a good example. They diss all the time for ENTERTAINMENT. if they don't wrestling would be the fakest/boring show ever.

On the other hand Will smith is a solid actor/artist who has lots of money, would get a better deal because he is not some new artist trying to prove himself to people. Will smith has sell power so Companies seek him to sign. they make money off him as well. Not him seeking for signs. that goes along with any other big artist.

Everyday (and always will) we get somebody who comes in here generalizing.

the reason why you don't hear other music dissin is because it is HIGHLY un-marketable.
nobody would care about that. No creativity would of words be involved. That is what rapping is about. Sure the guy can sing and that guy can play that but it doesnt compare to lyrics from mos def or somebody. Samething for hip-hop something people can relate to.
Stop whoring in comments like this Rap sucks. End of story. post whore
makin pointless comments like this could have stayed in your head.

Gotti
03-22-2005, 06:50 PM
Why do so many people that dont listen to rap feel the need to go into rap threads and talk shit? You dont see me going in any rock/country/metal threads giving my opinion about it. Why? Because i dont like it, i dont listen to it, so i dont feel the need to give my opinion about it.

Drew prolly already cleared up the dissing for you guys... And just incase he didnt say it, i'd like to mention: Rap is a more competitive form of music than rock, if somebody says they're the best than other rappers that think they're better obviously are gunna say something about it and say nope u aint the best and i'll tell you why. And it evolves into a battle, then the FANS benefit because you see those rappers get more creative to out do each other, until you see which ones better.

But you also have to remember that after Jay-Z and Nas's beef alot of rappers saw how much publicity they got and how that translated into album sales. So now half the industry is dissing somebody, it will pass tho. This happens every once inawhile in rap, in the late 80s Everybody from the Bronx was dissing everybody from queens, in the mid 90s everybody from the west was dissing the east. Its a part of hip hop, its like a competitive sport.

*Edit*
BTW Will Smith is an idiot for writing a diss, he's just trying to get publicity. Nobody in America gives a shit about this diss because its gay.

SniperX13
03-22-2005, 08:40 PM
well, by your analogy Gotti, trying to get attention, sounds like it succeded.

Gotti
03-23-2005, 04:46 PM
well, by your analogy Gotti, trying to get attention, sounds like it succeded.

A diss will always succeed to get attention, thats the whole point its publicity. But nobody really cares about the will smith diss, i havent heard that much about it. He's gay for trying to make a diss because thats never the type of rap he did, he's just following trends. The real disses get more attention.

-Davo
03-24-2005, 01:37 AM
Davo - It's not a new thing. I only posted it because the song is so hilariously bad, it just had to be shared.


haha, yeah? I haven't heard it yet, I tryed to download it.

Gotti, I've been listening to rap for 8 years. Real rap artists don't have to diss other rap artists, because they have better shit to sing about.

jeffseby
03-24-2005, 02:36 AM
That cotton candy ass rapper didn't just diss Em....

drewh4386
03-24-2005, 02:50 AM
haha, yeah? I haven't heard it yet, I tryed to download it.

Gotti, I've been listening to rap for 8 years. Real rap artists don't have to diss other rap artists, because they have better shit to sing about.

you didn't read a thing gotti or i posted did you? Oh well...

-Davo
03-24-2005, 03:45 AM
Yeah, and I agree with what you both said. It's for market. I'm just saying, it's lame. I mean, seriously, the whole "rap artist vs. rap artist" isn't a new concept, and even though they've taken the concept out of context to make money, it's a brillient marketing scheme, but it's still lame.

Rbraczyk
03-24-2005, 02:01 PM
Will smith is a fag for retaliating to that. The time difference is like declaring war against hitler in 1950.

Gotti
03-24-2005, 03:13 PM
Yeah, and I agree with what you both said. It's for market. I'm just saying, it's lame. I mean, seriously, the whole "rap artist vs. rap artist" isn't a new concept, and even though they've taken the concept out of context to make money, it's a brillient marketing scheme, but it's still lame.

no its not just about that... battles are a part of hip hop culture, they always have bin. Hip Hop started with people dissing each other basically, people would rap and another person would try to do a better rap. That was hip hop. The rappers that just do it for publicity are the gay rappers. Real rappers get into beef too, theres nothing wrong with it... i just dont like how its a trend now and everyones doin it to market their new album.

Tyrone Biggums
03-24-2005, 07:55 PM
what ever happend to rapping about honey's and money? and how big of a rim or subwoofer they can get on thier car? i dont really care about the fued, but will has years over em and thats about all. whens the last time will smith had a hit? getting jiggy wit it?

solid
03-28-2005, 04:26 PM
I have just listened to the song, and found it has none of the lyics mentioned above. Sure he mentions Eminem, but he doesn't really diss him.

sorry, someones got to stick up for the dude. Come on, he made the song "gettin jiggy with it"

Gotti
03-28-2005, 04:37 PM
Will still has skills on the mic... dont forget that late 80s early 90s, when he was Fresh Prince with DJ Jazzy Jeff. He was one of the biggest most popular rappers in the industry

If he didnt forget how to write he still prolly has more skills than all the chingys and nelly's in the industry now


This is a song from 1987 thats almost 20 years old! IMO.. he has better flow than eminem.

Just last week when I was walking down the street
I observed this lovely lady that I wanted to meet
I walked up to her I said hello
she said you're kind of cute I said yes I know
but by the way sweetheart what's your name
she said my friends like to call me exotic Elaine
I said my name is the Prince and she said why
I said well I don't know I'm just a hell of a guy
but enough about me yo let's talk about you
and all the wonderful things that you and I can do
I popped some cash and in a little bit of time
I showed some cash and the girl was mine
I took her over town I wined her and dined her
she ask me did I like her I said well kinda
all of a sudden she jumped out her seat
snatched me up by my wrist and took me out to the street
she started grabbin all over me kissing and hugging
so I shoved her away I said you better stop buggin
she got mad looked me dead in my face
threw her hands in the air and yelled out rape
I got scared when she started to yell
so I handed her my wallet and ran like hell
I was duckin through alleys right and left
but when the cops caught up they almost beat me to death
I was arrested charged with agrivated assault
(yo Clancy we got him)
but it wasn't my fault
nevertheless don't mean to bust your bubble
but girls of the world ain't nothing but trouble
so next time a girl gives you the play
just remember my rhyme and get the hell away

solid
03-28-2005, 04:54 PM
Yeah, after reading all the comments made on the "assumption" that those were his lyrics, it got me annoyed so i had to post.

Dj jazzy jeff is the man. (At least his ego hasn't "swollen to the size of a small planet") which is the only thing that i dont like about Big willie.

Other then that, He is all G double O D Good.

ghostrx7
03-28-2005, 05:46 PM
u guys like gettin jiggy wit it? ill end my will smith memories at summertime!

-Davo
03-29-2005, 05:40 AM
no its not just about that... battles are a part of hip hop culture, they always have bin. Hip Hop started with people dissing each other basically, people would rap and another person would try to do a better rap. That was hip hop. The rappers that just do it for publicity are the gay rappers. Real rappers get into beef too, theres nothing wrong with it... i just dont like how its a trend now and everyones doin it to market their new album.


Agreed! I don't like that "trend" either, and that was my main "concern".

I have a huge scarface poster on my bedroom door, it kicks ass.

RallyRaider
04-02-2005, 10:11 AM
Ha, this rap "dissin" is laughable. Consider John Lennon or Frank Zappa, now there are two guys who could rip you a new one. As a bonus they could actually write and play music too...

Gotti
04-02-2005, 06:35 PM
^^^

Didnt we already determine all the haters should stay out of rap threads if they have nothing positive to contribute?

RallyRaider
04-02-2005, 06:56 PM
Who you calling a hater? I'm a music lover. :D

All the same, lameness deserves to be called out otherwise we'll be left with nothing but mediocrity. Oh wait that's not working too well is it... :p

But seriously try listening to some of the classics, you'll need to open your ears and mind. You might just learn something other than what the corporate beancounters want you to.

Gotti
04-02-2005, 10:35 PM
LMAO

so are you trying to say all disses in rap are lame?

I think you just dont understand hip hop... you cant compare it to John Lennon. A good rapper can prolly write stuff thats way more clever than anything John wrote. But what John wrote has more meaning to you, its a different kind of music. Its like comparing trance to country, saying a real guitar sounds better than electronic sounds. But try telling that to a raver and he'll prolly disagree

-Davo
04-02-2005, 11:38 PM
That raver is probably cooked up on E anyway!

heheh just kiddin' (or am I? :p)

RallyRaider
04-03-2005, 12:29 AM
LMAO

so are you trying to say all disses in rap are lame?

Well I'm yet to hear of a good/funny one, but then I'm not really looking so can't definitively answer either way. This Will Smith "diss" certinaly falls into that category, seems more a form of self promotion than anything. True, I don't understand hip hip - not at all! :lol: As a form of artistic expression it is very limited (IMHO of course).

I mentioned the likes of Zappa because he was cutting and hilarious with a putdown, but then his was a very rare talent!

drewh4386
04-03-2005, 03:23 AM
the limited artistic part is made up by having some of the dopest rhymes you've ever heard in your life.

Fully_Sick
04-03-2005, 06:05 AM
True, I don't understand hip hip - not at all! As a form of artistic expression it is very limited (IMHO of course).


Limited? just because it isnt some white guy singing while strumming on a guitar?

get real mate, I can appreciate the classics in music such as you've mentioned, along with modern day music, and i realise each style of music is artistic in its own ways.

Hip-hop is a very unique form of music in that it doesnt matter who you are from any background, you can get involved at some level whether it be emceeing, djing, writing up or break dancing, each has its own degree of artistic merit and skill.
Hmm sounds limited to me...NOT

You need to listen to more hip-hop to broaden your mind(and get those stereotypes out ya head), and then you can say oh yeah man good point ras kass tackles race issues&religion, gangstarr talks about society, immortal technique is ripping the govenrment a new one,talib kweli rips the industries thinking a new one, etc etc

:smokin:

RallyRaider
04-03-2005, 06:16 PM
Can't say I agree with any of the above, but opinions are unique, that is the beauty of them. But I'm open minded, what would you say is a good example of rap/hip hip, that demonstrates all the things you list above? I'm fully prepared to give it a go, just have heard nothing but dross so far. I fully acknowledge that good music is out there to be found, mass mediums like radio and TV aren't going to touch decent music with a barge pole. So if you want a challenge name me one song that I can download, that could change a disbeliever’s mind. :)

Are we sufficiently OT yet? :lol:

Gotti
04-03-2005, 10:11 PM
It depends what you want to hear.... if you want to hear political rhymes, you can try pretty much any immortal technique

download, immortal technique - the 4th branch

or if you wanna hear something about society, try Gangstarr - Robbin Hood Theory or gangstarr - my advice 2 you

or if you wanna hear a crazy story about a kid that grows up poor, try immortal technique - dance with the devil

Thats off the top of my head, theres better examples, but thats good enough

Toksin
04-03-2005, 10:41 PM
Aesop Rock

Mr Lif

Atmosphere

Dilated Peoples

Gotti
04-04-2005, 12:59 AM
^^ I guarentee he wont like aesop rock :D his voice is ass

but as a hip hop head he's got some nice rhymes

Toksin
04-04-2005, 01:03 AM
I love aesop's voice, lol :p

RallyRaider
04-04-2005, 02:03 AM
Okay, thanks. I'll see if I can find those songs and give 'em a listen.

RallyRaider
04-04-2005, 05:20 AM
Hmm... Thanks again Gotti, but I'm afraid those examples only reinforce my opinion. Very narrow in musical terms and lyrically ill conceived.

I guess it comes down to culture, I've grown up expecting interesting melodies, harmony, dynamics, virtuosity, complexity, development, intelligence and a wide range of emotions from music. I don't mean that as a putdown, just that for me those raps are totally one dimensional, and thus fail to hold my attention.

To be fair you probably wouldn’t care for my stuff, much of which is an acquired taste but IMHO much deeper and rewarding.

drewh4386
04-04-2005, 06:06 AM
oh so your talking about the actual compositions? Or arrangements? Because i dont know about lately but, rza made the score for kill bill and wyclef is not exactly hip but i sure sure he could develop some dope scores.

Gotti
04-04-2005, 01:56 PM
Hmm... Thanks again Gotti, but I'm afraid those examples only reinforce my opinion. Very narrow in musical terms and lyrically ill conceived.

I guess it comes down to culture, I've grown up expecting interesting melodies, harmony, dynamics, virtuosity, complexity, development, intelligence and a wide range of emotions from music. I don't mean that as a putdown, just that for me those raps are totally one dimensional, and thus fail to hold my attention.

To be fair you probably wouldn’t care for my stuff, much of which is an acquired taste but IMHO much deeper and rewarding.

it depends what you want to hear... i thought you wanted to hear something with more substance to the rhymes, not just cash, hoes and bling.

Theres rap with great melodies too, even from the same artists, but its not your taste.

and are you saying those songs have bad lyrics when you say ill conceived, because i guarentee no rock writers could come up with clever metafors like they use. And they could never tell a story as detailed with crazy twists like "dance with the devil." Rap is more lyrical then any other type of music, rap itself is basically poetry, thats the whole point thats why you dont need the greatest voice to be a great rapper, because thats not the most important thing, the lyrics are.

i dunno.. somebody give him a better example, cause i just named some quick political shit of the top of my head

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