Clutch
Scope240
03-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Alright so i bunred out the stock clutch doing dounts, drifiting on drive tracks 3 days a week, and peeling out. Im looking to replace it asap, i was wondering what is a durable clutch that would last me more than 25k. Thanks, need to get back on the road and beat some hondas and acura's :)
SHIFT_KA24DE
03-13-2005, 06:43 PM
Don't know what's good... but unless your pushing 200+ you wouldn't need a racing clutch.
OEM, exedy, act, etc...
OEM, exedy, act, etc...
Scope240
03-13-2005, 07:51 PM
alright, well soon im gonna be pushing about 220 on a KA24DE, so ya might get a racing cltuch just want it to last.
logik23
03-13-2005, 08:03 PM
Get a street/strip ACT.
Scope240
03-13-2005, 08:35 PM
alright sounds good man, thanks for the help guys
Chuki_breath
03-13-2005, 10:40 PM
220 hp, whats your setup going to be? just curious.
SR20DETpower
03-13-2005, 11:18 PM
a good stock one would work good.
Check to see if this company makes a clutch for your application(I'm 97% certain they do):
LuK
also try to get a GOLD model clutch if you can, I can get them pretty cheap but you will probably pay more then I can get it for. Bottomline this is what our shop uses for general clutch replacements, the golds are good shit and I can personally testify that after half a year and 30k miles on a 250hp/370lbstrq 4x4 truck that sees some pretty good off roading and countless clutch dumps, even repeadetly at times with a NV4500 transmission. This is the ultimate off road transmission, real low first gear, on the street and normal offroad use you start from a stop in 2nd gear like it was 1st in a 240sx. In 4 wheel low you can put it in first and no matter how hard you try it will not stall lol, you can get out and walk next to it and just let it creep ahead... no matter how good you can shift, when you shift from 1st to 2nd you come to a stop, it redlines at about 4 or 5 mph. It is very hard to break that transmission---be a good thing to put in a rwd nissan with a lot of power that breaks transmissions, except its twice the size and weight
:eek:
thats enough of that horseshit, how about some other questions. Verify what year the car is, what mileage did it have, did you buy the car used, do you know the prior owner, do you have any reciepts for maintenance done previously?
Basically if you've never done a clutch job on it before that could have been the factory clutch and been on its last legs.
however abuse will eventually kill any clutch, you won't see a NASCAR or a fast professional drag car using the same clutch all season...
Check to see if this company makes a clutch for your application(I'm 97% certain they do):
LuK
also try to get a GOLD model clutch if you can, I can get them pretty cheap but you will probably pay more then I can get it for. Bottomline this is what our shop uses for general clutch replacements, the golds are good shit and I can personally testify that after half a year and 30k miles on a 250hp/370lbstrq 4x4 truck that sees some pretty good off roading and countless clutch dumps, even repeadetly at times with a NV4500 transmission. This is the ultimate off road transmission, real low first gear, on the street and normal offroad use you start from a stop in 2nd gear like it was 1st in a 240sx. In 4 wheel low you can put it in first and no matter how hard you try it will not stall lol, you can get out and walk next to it and just let it creep ahead... no matter how good you can shift, when you shift from 1st to 2nd you come to a stop, it redlines at about 4 or 5 mph. It is very hard to break that transmission---be a good thing to put in a rwd nissan with a lot of power that breaks transmissions, except its twice the size and weight
:eek:
thats enough of that horseshit, how about some other questions. Verify what year the car is, what mileage did it have, did you buy the car used, do you know the prior owner, do you have any reciepts for maintenance done previously?
Basically if you've never done a clutch job on it before that could have been the factory clutch and been on its last legs.
however abuse will eventually kill any clutch, you won't see a NASCAR or a fast professional drag car using the same clutch all season...
Scope240
03-14-2005, 01:49 AM
Alright well the previous owner was my uncle. so ya i guess i know him well. From what he told me he drove it hard once and a while, replaced the clutch as 95K and now it has 125K. I say i drive it hard drifting and such.
Other question about 220hp, opened ehaust by 1/4 inch, gives more top end and gave me about 15hp from my preivous 160 so im running about 175hp. Added a ram intake gave me about another 15-20 depeind of fuel type and grade. So i hitting the high 190s, getting new headers next. think that all, from what i can think of.
[Wish they made a supercharger for the 240 :(]
Other question about 220hp, opened ehaust by 1/4 inch, gives more top end and gave me about 15hp from my preivous 160 so im running about 175hp. Added a ram intake gave me about another 15-20 depeind of fuel type and grade. So i hitting the high 190s, getting new headers next. think that all, from what i can think of.
[Wish they made a supercharger for the 240 :(]
logik23
03-14-2005, 07:39 AM
You're not ganna be making 220hp N/A unless you get some head work. And you start at 155, not 160 and crank hp doesn't mean dick, it's all whp.
sidewayzS13
03-14-2005, 10:47 AM
im gunna say there is no way u will make 220hp w/ those upgrades if u make 220 w/ that i wanna see some dyno proof. and why do u wish they made a supercharger why dont u just turbo the KA
Scope240
03-14-2005, 03:29 PM
jesus christ you guys are anal, just calm down. not arguning just talking, Turbos kick in at a certain rpm to get the boost you really need. Supercharger puts power through out the entire power band. Plus turbos tend to die more frequently than superchargers do.
Plus that all the money i got to do upgrades, im rebuilding the enigine soon enough, would get an SR20, but not legal here in cali. Exspecially in Sourthern, this place crawling with cops. Not modding the exterior yet, cuz its like honda with big 2 foot wings that you can kick ths shit out of. no reason to make your car look fast if it not fast.
But for now all i care about is my clutch.
Plus that all the money i got to do upgrades, im rebuilding the enigine soon enough, would get an SR20, but not legal here in cali. Exspecially in Sourthern, this place crawling with cops. Not modding the exterior yet, cuz its like honda with big 2 foot wings that you can kick ths shit out of. no reason to make your car look fast if it not fast.
But for now all i care about is my clutch.
NiSmO_zt
03-14-2005, 03:39 PM
superchargers put power throughout the powerband? pfft, yeah, you know how much load their putting on the motor in upper revs? turning that pulley isnt easy, supers just kill the free revving nature of a good engine, while turbos are a sweet compliment to revs. supers are just for low end grunt. i like to think of superchargers as light-weight boat anchors, or over-sized paper weights, but whatever, its your build. btw, youd have to be running some serious compression on n/a to make 220 whp, that or nitrous. those mods you listed make about 15-20 hp all together, not each one by themselves.
lol, that reminds me of a ricer guy i met who pretty much believed that adding each sticker to his car gave it 5 more hp. 1/4 " exhaust upgrade gives 15-20 hp, hahaha.
lol, that reminds me of a ricer guy i met who pretty much believed that adding each sticker to his car gave it 5 more hp. 1/4 " exhaust upgrade gives 15-20 hp, hahaha.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 03:42 PM
thanks for the input, Were all entiteled to our opinons and maybe i'll take yours into consideration.
SHIFT_KA24DE
03-14-2005, 03:46 PM
word... superchargers have a linear hp increase... so yea it may be good on low end up that's about it. True turbo's are hard to get started on a NA car but once it's done ... you can easily gain hp by boost control. With a super all you can probably do is change the pulley or compressor. That still won't get you as much hp gain as a turbine upgrade for the same amount of money.
If your in SoCal ... i wouldn't recommend sr's... just do a ka-t. As for your clutch... you can get a good OEM set for a lil over a hundred. Labor runs about 250-450 depending on where you are...
If your in SoCal ... i wouldn't recommend sr's... just do a ka-t. As for your clutch... you can get a good OEM set for a lil over a hundred. Labor runs about 250-450 depending on where you are...
slideways...
03-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Other question about 220hp, opened ehaust by 1/4 inch, gives more top end and gave me about 15hp from my preivous 160 so im running about 175hp. Added a ram intake gave me about another 15-20 depeind of fuel type and grade. So i hitting the high 190s, getting new headers next. think that all, from what i can think of.
seriously???? an intake you think gives 15-20 hp? did you hear that in THIS month's SS?
an extra 1/4 inch bigger exhaust will give you maybe 5-6 hp IF its mandrel bent but if its not then maybe 1 hp
an intake gives TOPS 3-5 hp and headers maybe 6-8 hp
and I/H/E on a ka24 will not need premium gas and you wont get much benefit from it either
oh yeah i HATE it when people call the normal CAI a "ram" intake.
its not.
SS ads just call it that to make it sound better and ricers think "oh yeah i think i remember my dad's old camaro having a ram intake, so this must be what it is"
seriously???? an intake you think gives 15-20 hp? did you hear that in THIS month's SS?
an extra 1/4 inch bigger exhaust will give you maybe 5-6 hp IF its mandrel bent but if its not then maybe 1 hp
an intake gives TOPS 3-5 hp and headers maybe 6-8 hp
and I/H/E on a ka24 will not need premium gas and you wont get much benefit from it either
oh yeah i HATE it when people call the normal CAI a "ram" intake.
its not.
SS ads just call it that to make it sound better and ricers think "oh yeah i think i remember my dad's old camaro having a ram intake, so this must be what it is"
sidewayzS13
03-14-2005, 04:37 PM
15-20 hp from ram intake? is that actual gains or ricer claim gains?
logik23
03-14-2005, 04:37 PM
thanks for the input, Were all entiteled to our opinons and maybe i'll take yours into consideration.
The fact that an opinion can't be wrong is bullshit, there's no way you'll be making close to that power with those upgrades.
The fact that an opinion can't be wrong is bullshit, there's no way you'll be making close to that power with those upgrades.
sidewayzS13
03-14-2005, 04:38 PM
oh snap logik callin u out
slideways...
03-14-2005, 04:39 PM
i dont mean to jump all over you but it reminds me of ricers who put an intake and exhaust on their D15 and say they make 130whp. please, Please continue to learn about cars and dont end up as a ricer.
D-Bo
03-14-2005, 05:54 PM
you should learn realistic hp gains from each part. the only way you would have 220hp with a stock ka is with raised compression and maybe a stroker kit. now unless you're a rich mother fucker then you don't have 220 hp. you have 170 if that
SR20DETpower
03-14-2005, 06:01 PM
You're not ganna be making 220hp N/A unless you get some head work. And you start at 155, not 160 and crank hp doesn't mean dick, it's all whp.
KA24de doesn't need any head work, it is awesome stock.... it will support more power then a sr20'd head will. I thought you would have learned this by now.
you won't make 220hp to the wheels without a bigger straight through exhaust piping(single 3" mandrel bent no muffler that goes to the back bumper), no cat, good header, under drive pulleys, a/c deletion wouldn't be a bad idea either, stage II cams, valve springs, retainers, lightened flywheel, and a good cooling system. You could easily get 250rwhp with individual throttle bodies, and a custom tuned stand alone ECU system, besides that you can raise the compression to your tuning ability and fuel requirements.
KA24de doesn't need any head work, it is awesome stock.... it will support more power then a sr20'd head will. I thought you would have learned this by now.
you won't make 220hp to the wheels without a bigger straight through exhaust piping(single 3" mandrel bent no muffler that goes to the back bumper), no cat, good header, under drive pulleys, a/c deletion wouldn't be a bad idea either, stage II cams, valve springs, retainers, lightened flywheel, and a good cooling system. You could easily get 250rwhp with individual throttle bodies, and a custom tuned stand alone ECU system, besides that you can raise the compression to your tuning ability and fuel requirements.
logik23
03-14-2005, 06:03 PM
KA24de doesn't need any head work, it is awesome stock.... it will support more power then a sr20'd head will. I thought you would have learned this by now.
you won't make 220hp to the wheels without a bigger straight through exhaust piping(single 3" mandrel bent no muffler that goes to the back bumper), no cat, good header, under drive pulleys, a/c deletion wouldn't be a bad idea either, stage II cams, valve springs, retainers, lightened flywheel, and a good cooling system. You could easily get 250rwhp with individual throttle bodies, and a custom tuned stand alone ECU system, besides that you can raise the compression to your tuning ability and fuel requirements.
By head work I meant changing cams and timing, not port and polish, sorry for the mix up and he means 220 crank hp since he said he was starting at 160.
you won't make 220hp to the wheels without a bigger straight through exhaust piping(single 3" mandrel bent no muffler that goes to the back bumper), no cat, good header, under drive pulleys, a/c deletion wouldn't be a bad idea either, stage II cams, valve springs, retainers, lightened flywheel, and a good cooling system. You could easily get 250rwhp with individual throttle bodies, and a custom tuned stand alone ECU system, besides that you can raise the compression to your tuning ability and fuel requirements.
By head work I meant changing cams and timing, not port and polish, sorry for the mix up and he means 220 crank hp since he said he was starting at 160.
D-Bo
03-14-2005, 06:28 PM
yeah, sr20detpower, i don't doubt 250 is out of range with that setup but that is one expensive way to get to 250.. i'd be at 350 with a ka-t and the same amount of money.. maybe more
Chuki_breath
03-14-2005, 09:38 PM
well im to late, but ill throw in my laugh for 20 hp gain on the intake. He must have bought it off a previous civic owner. Those civic intakes are minimum of 20 hp gains!!!!!!! Atleast thats what most of the "ricers" claim. Like today im at the gas station...this guy(i thought it was a girl by judging car color and pink lights) driving a purple civic(almost looks pink), had bad shade of red brake light bulbs, so they looked hot pink...no joke HOT PINK. He had a muffler and some 25 dollar rims and shit. O he thought he was a top contender, he started his car and REVED it all at once(way to let the oil start circulating before you rev the thing up to 5k, idiot). I was like omfg, got out called him out and he felt dumb and left. THe people on the pumps next to me were laughing and shit. We came together as a group and laughed at him together, lol it was almost like a movie. I felt proud, until i noticed the $2 dollar a gallon price tag.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 09:38 PM
laughing to hard givev me a sec. alright so maybe i wrong i'll admit it, you guys swear you people know like everything there is to know, like you people went to enginering school, just chill cars just a hobby. none the less i still find it funny how pissed you guys get talking to people who you have never met.
Chuki_breath
03-14-2005, 09:45 PM
woa woa woa there buddy ol pal. Were laughing at your stupidity!!!!! i mean come on, i have header, cat, 2.5 inch exhaust, i would say i gained 10 hp all together lol. Only thing i could notice is well its louder!!!!!!!! O its cuz i dont have your 20hp intake no wonder. I mean some of us actually like to tune our cars, and have common knowledge of what does what and what hp gains to expect. I hate to say it but i think you have just proven you may be somewhat of a ricer that is just buying parts to say you have them. I dont think you actually know why your buying them, other than that you can say a mod list and feel fast. The only way to make this car fast is through forced induction(well you dont have to go forced induction, but its more logical and cheap). You should do more research on the ka-t setup, they have basically made some quick spooling, almost lagless setups for our car. A supercharger really is not needed.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 09:53 PM
alright once again you are all entitled to your opinons, and if i find them of use i may consider them. anyways i got the info for my clutch that i needed[thanks fot that]. And this thread has gone off topic from a stupid claim i made[taking the mechs word] my fault i apologize.
So i hear greddy making some sick turbos for the 240, anyone got any info on others, looking for something with the least lag. Probably gonna buy in the next 6 months, considering i gotta save up about 3k-4k... Do installs myself, saves money that way..
None the less thanks for the info..
So i hear greddy making some sick turbos for the 240, anyone got any info on others, looking for something with the least lag. Probably gonna buy in the next 6 months, considering i gotta save up about 3k-4k... Do installs myself, saves money that way..
None the less thanks for the info..
SR20DETpower
03-14-2005, 10:16 PM
with bolt ons most stock internals ka24de run 155-160 rwhp
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:19 PM
GReddy is good, but a serious ripoff, check out www.phatka-t.com, www.boostdesigns.com, www.ka-t.org
Scope240
03-14-2005, 10:29 PM
thank you for the input.. Any of you guys have your cars turbo'ed[spelling] just wondering. Cool stuff, what your nissans pushing?
One last questions, what are the biggest demntions of tires you could put with out having rub on the inner wheel well.
One last questions, what are the biggest demntions of tires you could put with out having rub on the inner wheel well.
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:35 PM
MyNismo has a 369whp SR, NissanFanatic has like 230whp or wtv on his KA-T, TatII has like 260whp on his KA-T, and others.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 10:37 PM
nice, ya i would like the SR20 swap, but considering i live in cali, and the emmissons are up that ass, not gonna work, so i mainly gotta pump as much power out of my KA24DE as possible.
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:40 PM
Guys at KA-t.org or PhatKA-T.com I dunno which one, are running over 500whp.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 10:41 PM
nice look into in bro, just curious what state you live in, cuz of the SR20.....
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:44 PM
Me? I live in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. NO EMISSIONS!!! lol
Scope240
03-14-2005, 10:46 PM
lol lucky bastered, wish i had that, but my governator just to strick, eh guess expanding the KA to about 230-280whp wont be bad at all, just wanna kick the shit out of those damn mustanges......
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:47 PM
Oh and I can import any car 15 years old or older from anywhere, that means S13s and GT-Rs! lol Yeah Stangs suck.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 10:52 PM
lol just gotta keep rubbing it in......
Ya i just hate how cocky the drivers in the stang are, i just wanna smoke one and have them be like wtf.........ahhh would feel so good, but that just me, mainly i have to trouble with honda/acura when it comes to races here and there, tend to beat them no prob, but those damn mustages, everywhere here....mainly you see them broken down on the side of the road FORD= Found On Roadside Dead
Ya i just hate how cocky the drivers in the stang are, i just wanna smoke one and have them be like wtf.........ahhh would feel so good, but that just me, mainly i have to trouble with honda/acura when it comes to races here and there, tend to beat them no prob, but those damn mustages, everywhere here....mainly you see them broken down on the side of the road FORD= Found On Roadside Dead
logik23
03-14-2005, 10:59 PM
lol, yes I do have to rub it in, seeing as I don't even have a good car, anyways, yeah, I hate people in porsches and 350s and G35s and cars like that, I can't wait to be able to smoke one...gotta get a 240 first...lol
Scope240
03-14-2005, 11:03 PM
man i totally feel ya on that... I got my 240SX for free, it a 95[yes i know the headlights, lay off] so i can't really complain, my uncles car and gave it to me, so im quite happy. But it good and reliable and for being almost stock[for now] kicks the shit out of most honda, acura, and toyota's.
logik23
03-14-2005, 11:04 PM
I love the 95-96 headlights (as long as they are not yellow and shit) If they are clear and clean they look cool to me.
Scope240
03-14-2005, 11:10 PM
lol you like one of the few, i like them too, i mean i think they look pretty sick, ya mine i got like cleaned, and so they like factory new, so they look pretty sick.
Lol we post like 5 seconds after the other, you got msn or aim? Pritave message me your sn if you want.
Lol we post like 5 seconds after the other, you got msn or aim? Pritave message me your sn if you want.
sidewayzS13
03-15-2005, 11:39 AM
check out boost designs. yea ive always wondered that who all out of the regulars is boosting?
put a check by my name
put a check by my name
slideways...
03-15-2005, 12:59 PM
nice look into in bro, just curious what state you live in, cuz of the SR20.....
I live in Minnesota
NO EMISSIONS EITHER!!! rofl
cops are retards here too
i heard somewhere that skylines could not be driven legally here in MN but i cant confirm that to be true or false so if anyone knows please tell me
sorry to be off topic some more but i really want to know
I live in Minnesota
NO EMISSIONS EITHER!!! rofl
cops are retards here too
i heard somewhere that skylines could not be driven legally here in MN but i cant confirm that to be true or false so if anyone knows please tell me
sorry to be off topic some more but i really want to know
sidewayzS13
03-15-2005, 02:59 PM
skyline= not legal anywhere in US we have discussed this many times
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