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2007 Saturn Sky

03-13-2005, 04:19 AM
The 2007 Saturn Sky will share a chassis with the all-new 2006 Pontiac Solstice. The Saturn Sky's styling is inspired by the European Vauxhall


03-13-2005, 04:22 AM




03-13-2005, 05:27 PM
They look similar since they are based on the same platform. THis platform has the Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstuce, Vauxhall VX220, Opel Speedster, and Lotus Elise. Thay all have similar performance, but different engines. The Elise has a Toyota 4 banger, and the rest will probably share GM 4 or 6 cylinder engines.

03-13-2005, 07:37 PM
They look similar since they are based on the same platform. THis platform has the Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstuce, Vauxhall VX220, Opel Speedster, and Lotus Elise. Thay all have similar performance, but different engines. The Elise has a Toyota 4 banger, and the rest will probably share GM 4 or 6 cylinder engines.

That is false.

The Saturn Sky and the Pontiac Solstice are front engine unlike the other cars. Not the same cars.

The 2006 Pontiac Solstice


03-16-2005, 05:31 PM
I never thought about the engines placement. But I could have sworn they were similar platforms. Since GM owns Vauxhall, and the VX220/Speedster/Elise are all on the same platfrom, The Sky and the VX220 look similar. So I just assumed...

Jaguar D-Type
05-12-2005, 11:50 PM
The 2007 Saturn Sky will have more standard features than the 2006 Pontiac Solstice.






Jaguar D-Type
05-13-2005, 12:38 AM




Jaguar D-Type
05-19-2005, 06:22 PM
Here is a link to the Vauxhall VX220 (where the Saturn Sky gets is styling)

Vauxhall sports car (http://vauxhall.com/showroom/search/brand.jhtml?brand=VX220&vehicleType=Car)


Jaguar D-Type
05-26-2005, 01:27 AM

Jaguar D-Type
05-27-2005, 04:53 PM
Saturn sports car (http://www.saturn.com/saturn/showroom/future_vehicles/sky.jsp?nav=710)

05-28-2005, 10:37 PM
jaguar, you seem to be really interested in the sky, are you considering buying one next year?

Jaguar D-Type
05-30-2005, 05:44 PM
No. I like the new Pontiac Solstice more because of the following:

- no standard a/c

- round curves

- less money

- raced in Grand-Am Cup

I'm sticking with my 91 BMW 318is for now.

Jaguar D-Type
05-31-2005, 04:49 PM


05-31-2005, 04:54 PM
looks like a corvette wannabe

Jaguar D-Type
05-31-2005, 10:11 PM
looks like a corvette wannabe

It gets its styling from the European Vauxhall VX220. It is mid-engined.

check here for it

Vauxhall sports car (http://www.vx220london.com/)

It is shown below.










06-02-2005, 06:52 PM
Intake on the side looks more like a vette than a vauxhall

Jaguar D-Type
06-03-2005, 02:10 PM
So I guess that feature makes it completely like a Corvette.

06-05-2005, 01:20 PM
No, but that is the feature that first caught my eye.

06-06-2005, 09:51 AM
This car looks like it has alot of potential to sell. Seeing as how most of the American car makers are going for the european look. I guess saturn plans to bring it without overpricing.

06-06-2005, 09:56 AM
I think Saturn is kicking up there game with this car, when they launch this car its ganna be quite popular, because Saturn is bringing european characteristics into there cars, they still are one of the most inexpensive cars on the market (that arent a total peice of shit) and i think they plan to bring it, and they'll bring it without the european design price tag.

Jaguar D-Type
08-07-2005, 02:09 AM
I guess the new Saturn Sky gets its styling from the Vauxhall VX Lightning concept which has some styling from the 2000 Vauxhall VX220. The Lightning concept was shown in May 2003.

check the link

Vauxhall VX Lightning (http://vauxhall.co.uk/futureModels/VXLightning.jhtml)



Jaguar D-Type
08-31-2005, 09:12 PM
The Saturn Sky will share the 2006 Pontiac Solstice's chassis (Kappa is the code name for the chassis) so I thought I would post this article.

March 2004


Credit GM’s car czar Bob Lutz for conjuring up the Pontiac Solstice as his first act after walking into the executive suite a few days before the World Trade Center came tumbling down.

What began as a last minute concept for the 2002 North American International Auto Show breathed life as if by divine intervention. Rather than build the push toy the boss had conceived, Engineering Executive Mark Reuss and project manager Mike Lyons conspired to build a driveable prototype … in about 100 days.

After enthusiast magazines raved and show goers mailed deposit checks, GM knew it faced a daunting challenge: converting Lutz’s brilliant concept into a hot Pontiac with profit potential.

Enter Lori Queen, GM’s vehicle line executive for small cars and Doug Parks, the Solstice’s chief engineer. “We began studying how to build Solstice soon after its show debut,” Parks recalls. “One early idea became known as ‘Delta with a tunnel.’ [GM’s Delta platform underpins the current Saturn Ion and the coming Chevrolet Cobalt.]

“The hope was to save investment costs by building Solstice on the same line that manufactures volume models. Unfortunately, by the time you add a tunnel and factor in the changes necessary to convert a transverse front-drive car into a longitudinal rear-driver, costs rise. It became clear that a modified Delta wouldn’t work so we began investigating a new architecture. The challenge was finding a low investment approach that would enable a 20,000 units per year program to make money.”

Complicating matters were natural forces within GM to make Solstice longer, shorter, wider, and taller in hopes of stretching the platform’s potential. Variations on the theme were examined and presented to upper management in pursuit of a green light for production.

But the reactions of Lutz and GM President Gary Cowger surprised the investigation team. Parks explains, “They said ‘Wait a minute guys. All these variations, which are close but not the same, don’t look any better than the show car. And from an engineering standpoint, they aren’t any better. Furthermore, there’s no problem packaging the necessary components.’

Collectively we agreed that the original concept was a fantastic accomplishment that had earned GM heaps of praise and there was no good reason to mess with that success. So we decided to simply nail the show car.”

Queen explains that Solstice couldn’t have progressed in a timely manner were it not for the engineering integration that GM has achieved during the last five years, “Our most notable strength is our size." But GM’s dilemma has always been leveraging that size to our advantage.

“Thanks to recent reorganizations, GM now has a global linkage through system management teams (SMTs) that are knowledgeable about components available all over the world. Since we have a vast reservoir of parts bins to draw from, we began creating the new Kappa architecture by asking the SMTs to identify GM components most suitable for this small rear-drive application. Immediately, we found seats from the Opel Corsa and a suitable differential from the Cadillac CTS. If it’s already tooled, we know all the pros and cons of a particular part and its history.”

Parks adds, “Not having to engineer an engine, transmission, instrument cluster, or the car’s electronics saves a lot of time. The brakes and suspension knuckles are also reused.”

According to Queen, the goal was to chop the normal vehicle development process in half. “We used math everywhere we possibly could and built only a few physical properties. When possible, we went straight to production tools and built vehicles in the assembly plant. The whole development process was re-written and the critical path was changed. To go fast we took some risks. But we found our math capabilities are astounding and they did an excellent job of predicting how the hardware would perform.” Parks adds, “The cars have been designed, released, and we’re building production tools without a crash test. Instead we’ve gone through hundreds of computer simulations. If we find it necessary to tune the crash pulse, we have plenty of time to accomplish that by altering production tools.”

“Changing the critical path and relying heavily on math data allowed us to trim the normal 42-month process to 28 months,” beams Queen.

A speedy development process was just one means of keeping the price below $20,000 for a Pontiac steeped in sex appeal and sporty performance.

Parks explains, “While Solstice was still in the advanced investigation phase, we examined several attractive technologies such as one magnesium casting to serve as the entire front of dash, a composite center tunnel framed by four tubes, and a hydroformed windshield header."

“While the potential for lowering investment was good, some of these approaches posed a high risk. What was lacking was a proven strategy that could tie the components together with the desired dimensional accuracy. That risk inhibited our ability to go fast with this program."

“Even though the design evolved into a more conventional approach, we kept a structure that’s primarily MIG-welded hydroformed tubes. And some of Kappa’s makeup still falls under the heading of high risk.”

The key structural elements are a pair of hydroformed tubes that run bumper to bumper. Two additional hydroformed tubes define the bottom corners of the driveline tunnel.

The four tubes attach to transversely oriented stamped panels via MIG welds. The floor and tunnel are also ordinary stampings spot welded together and then bonded with adhesives to the structural framework.

Using a technique developed for the Corvette, the front-of-dash and windshield frame are built up as a subassembly and then mated to the rest of the unibody with adhesives and a few welds. Bumpers and the instrument panel support beam are roll formed.

Parks continues, “The more traditional approach cut risk and saved engineering time though it did increase the investments necessary for more stamping dies. That said, the hydroformed tubes we incorporated are far less expensive than a conventional body’s construction because they integrate several parts, thereby eliminating numerous welding fixtures and assembly tools.”

That in turn changes how Solstice will be manufactured. Notes Queen, “Solstice’s unique construction and low volume results in a body shop that looks nothing like those that use GM’s standard bill of process. Instead of having robogates clamp everything together in a fixture prior to welding, we’ll have smaller fixtures that set the dimensional accuracy piece-by-piece. Some of the MIG welding is automatic but most of it will be done by hand.

“The amount of work necessary to build this car in just a few stations is significantly less than what’s necessary for a conventional body. There aren’t that many welds because adhesives and fasteners are also used to join parts.

While hydroformed tubes are commonplace in body-on-frame applications such as full-size trucks and the Corvette, Kappa brings a new twist to body making called sheet hydroforming. While this technology is rare in the car business, it’s been in wide industrial use for decades.

Chances are your notebook computer’s case or the stainless steel sink in your kitchen was made by this method. According to Al Houchens, GM’s director of advanced manufacturing technology productionizing, sheet hydroforming delivers several benefits:

- A 10-50-percent tooling-cost savings.

- The ability to draw deeper-section panels with more complex shapes than is practical with conventional processes.

- Superior finish quality since there is no skidding friction or metal-to-metal contact on the visible surface.

- Added stiffness achieved by hydroforming’s more equitable spread of strain over the panel’s entire surface, improving dent and oil canning resistance.

The one notable negative is a cycle time three to 10 times longer than conventional matched-die stamping. That’s a show stopper with high volume models such as the Chevrolet Cobalt but not a concern when the sales target is 20,000 or so sports cars per year.

The entire skin of the Solstice and mating inner panels — about ten parts in all — will be made by sheet hydroforming. Elated with this breakthrough approach, Queen exclaims, “We considered SMC and other composites but plastics drove investment and piece costs too high for a low-volume, low-cost car. And the beauty of sheet hydroforming is its ability to produce a hood with shapes, forms, and radii that couldn’t be achieved with conventional stamping methods."

“What’s more, the Kappa architecture doesn’t preclude other technologies. There’s no reason we couldn’t use aluminum, SMC, or conventional pressed steel for another car sharing this architecture.”

Parks adds, “Substituting longer hydroformed structural rails gives us a longer wheelbase. The chassis is a suspension engineer’s dream with forged-aluminum control arms and coil-over dampers so there’s ample capacity for other family members."

“The beauty of the Ecotec engine is that, with turbocharging or supercharging, it’s capable of delivering 250 hp which would take us from seven seconds for the base car’s zero-to-sixty performance down to the five-second range. In other words, the 4-cylinder offers so much flexibility we see no need for a V-6.”

The 2.4 liter Ecotec 4-cylinder engine was switched from front to rear drive without any engine block modifications needed. The stamped-steel center tunnel is reinforced with hydroformed tubes. The front-of-dash and windshield frame are built up as a subassembly and mated to the unibody with adhesives and a few welds, a technique developed for the Corvette.

front/rear suspension: forged aluminum unequal-length control arms, monotube dampers, coil springs

Jaguar D-Type
09-02-2005, 01:52 AM

Jaguar D-Type
09-08-2005, 12:43 AM
Unlike previous reports that a Kappa roadster wouldn't be sold in Europe, Opel/Vauxhall will get one.

It will have to comply with new European pedestrian safety regulations.

People think that auto makers should compensate for poor drivers and/or pedestrians. Europe has a lot of pedestrian deaths in car crashes relative to the U.S.

check these links

link one (http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-117530-16&type=LinksDossier)

link two (http://www.walk.com.au/pedestriancouncil/Page.asp?PageID=607)

link three (http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_pedestrian_impact/index.htm)

link four (http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/SRS037.pdf)

Feb 1, 2004


Upcoming European pedestrian-impact regulations are preventing General Motors Corp. from selling a version of its 2006 Pontiac Solstice there [Europe], company executives tell Ward's.

The Pontiac roadster is based on GM's new Kappa small-car rear-wheel-drive platform, as are the Saturn Curve, Chevy Nomad and U.K.-designed Vauxhall VX Lightening concept cars.

A GM Europe official says: “…It's challenging due to the pedestrian-protection requirement.”

The policies take effect in 2005 and require auto makers to design extra space between the exterior surface and the underhood structure from the front bumper to the windshield. The 8-in. (20-cm) gap is expected to reduce the severity of pedestrian injuries by better dispersing the impact energy of a person striking a front end.

“Outlook for the Kappa platform (in Europe) was excellent,” says Bob Lutz, GM vice chairman-product development. “Sadly, we were not able to get it in on time under the 2005 pedestrian protection legislation in Europe, which is going to radically change the look of automobiles in Europe, post-2005. The next generation of European cars is going to look different.”

Jaguar D-Type
09-29-2005, 05:29 PM
Saturn should make a Sky coupe.

Jaguar D-Type
10-01-2005, 01:11 AM


Jaguar D-Type
10-05-2005, 08:41 PM

Jaguar D-Type
10-06-2005, 05:11 PM
The new Saturn Sky will be available with either turbocharged or a supercharged I-4, but not both.

check the link

New Saturn Sky (http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/futurevehicles/sky_hi/index.jsp)

Jaguar D-Type
11-09-2005, 01:01 AM
Kappasphere will make parts for both the Pontiac Solstice and the Saturn Sky.


Jaguar D-Type
12-03-2005, 09:43 PM
Check the link for picture from the San Francisco auto show which was a month or two ago.


12-22-2005, 05:49 PM
I can't wait for these to come out, I'm seriously considering getting one.

Jaguar D-Type
01-03-2006, 11:08 PM


The manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) for the well-equipped 2007 Sky starts at $23,690 for models with a 5-speed manual transmission, and $24,540 with an optional 5-speed automatic. (Both MSRPs include a $575 destination charge).

It will be available this spring.

Standard features on the 2007 Sky include the following:

- Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and dynamic rear proportioning

- Four-wheel independent short/long arm suspension with coil-over

- Bilstein monotube shocks

- Air conditioning

- Power windows, locks, mirrors and remote keyless entry

- Dual-stage drive and passenger airbags with Passenger Sensing System

- AM/FM/CD Stereo with auxiliary input jack for use with portable audio players

- The 2007 Saturn Sky will be built at GM’s Wilmington, Del., assembly facility.

It weighs 32 pounds more than a Pontiac Solstice (both with manual transmissions).

Jaguar D-Type
01-09-2006, 05:51 AM
2006 Detroit Auto Show

The new Sky is one of the best-looking cars under $30,000 in my opinion.







Jaguar D-Type
01-12-2006, 02:06 AM



Jaguar D-Type
01-21-2006, 08:44 PM

01-23-2006, 11:27 AM
The Sky and Aura will definately bring Saturn back up. They are beautiful, well designed vehicles :thumbsup:

Jaguar D-Type
02-13-2006, 03:32 AM


Jaguar D-Type
02-21-2006, 07:02 PM
The following is from Automotive News from today: Saturn dealer John Bergstrom is facing an unexpected dilemma. Weeks before the Sky roadster hits the showroom, it is generating so much buzz that he has started a waiting list at all six of his stores.

"Sky is just a flat-out home run," said Bergstrom, chairman of Bergstrom Automotive in Neenah, Wis. "I've never had that before. They've never even considered a Saturn."

Jaguar D-Type
03-13-2006, 12:27 PM

03-14-2006, 03:35 PM


get those while at the greater cleveland auto show.

03-14-2006, 03:39 PM
The Sky and Aura will definately bring Saturn back up. They are beautiful, well designed vehicles :thumbsup:

what needed to happen was gm to let them continue on. the ion is a great car, the good thing from gm was the ecotec. i think they need to get back to making the lost foam engines and bring back a variation of the s-series. build that oh so elusive sl3 with the I6. the old s-series are great cars.

03-30-2006, 01:21 PM
I heard Saturn SKY might have a turbo option is that true? IT wasn't anywhere on the site.

Not even in their new car section.


03-30-2006, 01:24 PM
yes, the solstice has already been fitted with a turbo option, and the sky will be getting the same after a while.

Jaguar D-Type
04-02-2006, 07:48 PM
I heard Saturn SKY might have a turbo option is that true? IT wasn't anywhere on the site.

Not even in their new car section.


Yes, the new Sky Red Line will have a turbocharged I-4.

08-05-2006, 08:09 PM
I heard that the 2007 Sky doesn't has a manual convertible top while the Solstice has an automatic one. Is that true?

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