Magnum RT can beat a Lotus?

I love seeing the comercial of the red Magnum RT beating on the Lotus when they can't even beat a Regal. Yep i got one today since the streets dried again. I see this guy crusing ALL the damn time here in Canton along Lincoln Way probably looking for races like me
Anyway i cut a couple people off trying to line up with this dude and i finally did! I was kind of nervous lining up with him since i have driven a dozen of these at work and know their quick but we took off at the same exact time and were even to about 35 and i starting creeping on him and got almost 2 cars on him by the time we hit about 90mph. I boy was a pumped i got to add a Magnum RT to my kill list. I turned, he gave me thumbs up as i did also. I'm FINALLY getting some damn races in this thing! I think the sound of the blower eggs people on by itself finally haha :iceslolan

This was in the Regal?

Sure the hell wasn't in my wifes 4 cylinder Stratus! ;)

When I drove them at work, I remember being pleasantly surprised with the Hemi, but not overly impressed. Nice throttle response, but I remember really thinking they were over-hyped in the commercials.

Whoops, nice kill though.

Yeah work at a very large dealership and we have an AWD Hemi model for sale and that thing is sweet!! That one would probably kill me pretty good. We have an SRT8 Magnum and 300 ordered and on their way also. Their both already sold. lol
Can't wait to test drive them! :D

My dad added the Chrysler 300C to his list of cars hes lookin at getting (His exact quote was "The only problem teh Chrysler 300C its a Chrysler"). Im excited, gonna try and get some wheel time on the cars hes lookin at (545i, 300C, revert back to the dark side and get another MB S class)...Good kill. I've always laughed at that comercial, its like the one where the show the Toyota Tacoma beating the Ferrari (when the race off road)

remember that there were some pretty damn slow lotuses made in the late 80's (some had turbocharged 4 cylinders with only 210 hp)

210 for a 4 banger is decent? And, these reguls are the equivalent of a GTP. Probably just weight more..

Anyway i cut a couple people off trying to line up with this dude and i finally did!

:disappoin You should know better than to cut people off. Just be patient and you'll get your turn like everyone else :biggrin:. Good kill :thumbsup:. My unlce gave me the opportunity to "test" drive his 300C. Couldn't care less about how fast it was, because it is a real head turner all by itself. Just so smooth and comfy on the road that, despite it had the "Hemi", it was still awesome to drive. L8...

Dodge really overhyped that engine. I dunno how they are claiming 345 horsepower in them, when they are only churning out 255 whp. Good kill. Keep killing them, and maybe the owners will protest to Dodge :p

210 pony's from a Lotus is not all that slow, they are tiny cars and thats pretty high on the power to weight ratio. I dont know what the 2005 Lotus's put out, but I know they are quick and they use a turbocharged four(modded celica gts engine).

hahaha ownage thats grand.
The day dodge makes that thing as good as they claim it to be i'll eat my hat.

Yes i do wear a nice hat and i dont want to eat it

210 pony's from a Lotus is not all that slow, they are tiny cars and thats pretty high on the power to weight ratio. I dont know what the 2005 Lotus's put out, but I know they are quick and they use a turbocharged four(modded celica gts engine).


The 2005 elise isnt turbo...from the factory at least :evillol: They put down like 190-200hp stock but still run like low 14sec 1/4 mile. However the best thing about the cars is how they handle. I dont think there is too many cars under a 100,000 that could out handle it. And the elise is only like 40k. Now add a turbo to that and you got an even more bad ass car.


Edit: I saw one last month in person and :eek2: Not to be cliche but it was like poetry in motion.

elise's while sexy, are ugly at the same time. the sex-factor is that its a lotus. i would much rather have an Esprit! but yeah supposedly the chassis only weighs 150 lbs, the entire car weighs in at under 2000, which allows the 190hp toyota engine to catapult it to 60 in under 5 seconds and have a top speed of 150mph

Dodge really overhyped that engine. I dunno how they are claiming 345 horsepower in them, when they are only churning out 255 whp. Good kill. Keep killing them, and maybe the owners will protest to Dodge :p

By buddy traded in his Acura CL for an AWD Magnum RT. That thing isn't geared right for sprinting around town, but it really comes to life above 45mph. He ordered a full exhaust for it a couple days ago. Just letting a hemi that size breath better should net another 30whp if not more. I wouldn't be surprised to see 300whp even. There's something about hemi motors and exhaust upgrades. It's sorta like turbos and boost controllers. They really work together well. He's not really the type to dyno the car or anything, but I'll report back after a professional butt dnyo. Methinks it will be like a new car.

sounds to me like a huge waste of gas to me if that thing is only putting down 255 hp to the ground.

the '04 Espirits were putting out around 350 hp, 295 ft/lb torque, 0 - 60 in 4.8, 1/4 in 13 sec.

The 2005 elise isnt turbo...from the factory at least :evillol: They put down like 190-200hp stock but still run like low 14sec 1/4 mile. However the best thing about the cars is how they handle. I dont think there is too many cars under a 100,000 that could out handle it. And the elise is only like 40k. Now add a turbo to that and you got an even more bad ass car.


Edit: I saw one last month in person and :eek2: Not to be cliche but it was like poetry in motion.

actually your stats are a whole second off. the elise runs low 13's. and the 04 espirit TT has 380hp iirc and are high 12 second cars.

actually your stats are a whole second off. the elise runs low 13's. and the 04 espirit TT has 380hp iirc and are high 12 second cars.

My bad it is a 13sec car, now I want one even more.

However the best thing about the cars is how they handle. I dont think there is too many cars under a 100,000 that could out handle it.
There aren't too many cars OVER $100 grand that could outhandle it, either :iceslolan

Wow no flameage on this kill. Thought for sure there would be someone raising the bs flag haha
Yeah Hemi's like exhaust upgrades but you gotta remember its not a real Hemi with Hemispherical cylinders. I know i have seen the inside of about 10 of them so far. :disappoin They have 2 spark plugs for each cylinder too so imagine what its gonna be like when its time for a plug change :iceslolan I have already seen dyno's of an exhaust system on a Hemi and its suppose to add like 17hp. Can't remember what company makes it though.

Just cause you were looking for it :bs: L8...

There aren't too many cars OVER $100 grand that could outhandle it, either :iceslolan

Your right about that. I have a video somewhere of an elise racing a Ferrari f40 on a track. It was a cool video, the elise was holding its own.

They have 2 spark plugs for each cylinder too so imagine what its gonna be like when its time for a plug change :iceslolan

my truck has 2 plugs per cylinder, is it a hemi? :naughty:

Found them:

Elise vs. F40 Elise loses
http://elise.pinkcore.com/video/One_Eleven_Association_111S_versus_F40_Monthlery_2 001.mpeg

Elise vs Corvette (not sure what kind) Elise Doesnt catch up
http://elise.pinkcore.com/video/elise_vs_corvette.mpeg

Elise vs F40 and a GT3 Elise beats both, but was a tight track and dont think the Porche and Ferrari were pushing too hard.
http://www.gti18t.com/files/leluc.mpeg

if you truck has hemisphereical heads then its a hemi, all companies have hemis... dodge just patented that name, its pretty dumb really.the old ford 429 was a hemi.

well new hemis dont have hemispherical heads, yet they are called a hemi. according to the poster i quoted the only difference is 2 plugs/cylinder, which my truck has. so by that token, my truck has a hemi 4-banger

the '04 Espirits were putting out around 350 hp, 295 ft/lb torque, 0 - 60 in 4.8, 1/4 in 13 sec.

i think he was talking about the elise, not the espirt, although its faster (tt v8) it dosnt handle aswell and is much more expensive, the elise however weigh much less and use a 190 hp NA 4 banger

The 2005 elise isnt turbo...from the factory at least :evillol: They put down like 190-200hp stock but still run like low 14sec 1/4 mile. However the best thing about the cars is how they handle. I dont think there is too many cars under a 100,000 that could out handle it. And the elise is only like 40k. Now add a turbo to that and you got an even more bad ass car.


Edit: I saw one last month in person and :eek2: Not to be cliche but it was like poetry in motion.

Werd, who cares what a Magnum can do in a straight line, the lotus is a race track car, not made for 1/4 mile racing. I even think that it uses a toyota engine that they put in the celica.

Every car has its advantages. If we all just wanted straight line performance, then most of us would be driving domestics.

Why don't we all just buy a HEMI powered Jeep because it's faster than the 2.8L Audi A6 in the 1/4. :lol:

Lol you know what's funny...we are arguing about a race in a dodge commercial that never even took place.

There is a ton of bullshit in this thread, let's address it.

1. Sl0wRegal, if your Regal is N/A then it wasn't a Hemi you raced. My dad has a Jeep with a Hemi, and it would kick a Regals ass.

2. TheStang00, yes, you can call any engine with hemispherical heads a Hemi if you want to, but there is more than that to a Chrysler Hemi. That is why they patented the name.

3. 2000LS1Z28, I would love to see proof that the 5.7L Hemi only makes mid 200 whp.

4. Sl0wRegal, the new 5.7L and 6.1L Hemi both have hemispherical heads. I don't know where you heard that they didn't but they most surely do.

Come on people; don’t just post random bullshit without some proof to back it up!

I can address #1 for you...he has a supercharged regal GS, with a pulley swap and some other stuff I can't remember, I checked out his page, so it is pretty damned quick for a grandpamobile...as for the other stuff...#3: I have heard lots of claims from different people that the hemi only dynos at ~255 at the wheels, for some reason there is a huge power loss somewhere in the drivetrain, or maybe it's another one of those fiascos where the manufacturer overrated the engine(ex: the 2001 mazda miatas and the 98-00 non-supercharged mustang cobras).

Ohhh wow Turbonator thanks for clearing everything up since you know everything!!! :disappoin I work for one of the largest dealrships in my city and i have driven EVERY Hemi powred car there is and seen the inside of them also and i can assure you young grasshopper that they DO NOT have a hemispherical head! I'm not a fuckin moron dude so don't treat me and the other people in this thread like they are. Yes my GS is modded and it ran 14.799 stock. I'm not stock anymore. :naughty: Still don't beleive me about what the heads of a new Hemi look like? I'll take a pic of the heads off of the next Hemi that is worked on and show you but...... if i'm right you have to suck my dick :iceslolan
Don't like bullshit in threads? Neither do I and i also don't like uninformed people. :smokin:

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lol ive never seen that one used... so i thought id use it

Well, Sl0wRegal, no need to get pissy with me. That is why I said if your Regal is N/A. Since you have a SC with a pully and some other mods then I do think you can beat a Hemi. I'm sorry I was at work when I made that post and did not have time to read you CarDomain page.

However, don't call me uninformed, just because you think you've driven a lo0t of cars woth the Hemi does not mean you know its design. I guess you've taken one apart. Go read this entire page at AllPar talking about the new Hemi design. Here are some quotes from the page:

The new Hemi features cross-flow aluminum cylinder heads with hemispherical combustion chambers and cast, steel rocker arm actuated splayed valves for high air flow; two spark plugs per cylinder for fast, efficient combustion; and a new direct ignition system with high-power coils ensuring consistent, complete combustion.

The engine's unique two-valve hemispherical combustion chamber within an aluminum head provides impressive air flow, torque and power (hallmarks of the original), and gives the engine its throaty rumble. Fifty-six pounds lighter than the 5.9-liter V-8, the 5.7-liter Hemi produces 41% more power and 12% more peak torque, and appears to have substantial reserve for more power gains.

Here is the source, I suggest you read the entire thing:

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

Now, until you provide me with some proof that the new Hemis do not have hemispherical combustion chambers I will continue to think you're full of shit. You say they don't yet provide to facts or proof to back it up and still call me uniformed. :rolleyes:

On a side note, I'm still waiting for some proof that they dyno at 255 whp. I just don't see how a car that weighs that much can do 0-60 in the 6s with only 255 whp.

my dual-plug head is neither fast nor efficient. one set of plugs will go 45k miles, the other side will ony go 15k (instead of 30 on each side). direct ignition (read: distributorless) is not exactly new...wow if my 100hp 4 banger didnt have these "amazing, revolutionary power-adders) id have myself a beetle motor?

Show me domed pistons and the head to match them pistons on a new Hemi...... The piston on a new Hemi are completely flat and ARE NOT domed like the original Hemi and the head design is basically "half" of what an old Hemi is. They can't use a "real" Hemi design these days because they wouldn't meet emmisions standards. The head of a new Hemi today is more or less half of a Hemi. The valves are inclined and when the valve opens it moves the valve away from the cylinder wall preventing shrouding. This cyinder head design is not a hemisperical head. Want proof? Search on google for "New Hemi designs" and tell me what you come up with. :sunglasse

Show me domed pistons and the head to match them pistons on a new Hemi...... The piston on a new Hemi are completely flat and ARE NOT domed like the original Hemi and the head design is basically "half" of what an old Hemi is. They can't use a "real" Hemi design these days because they wouldn't meet emmisions standards. The head of a new Hemi today is more or less half of a Hemi. The valves are inclined and when the valve opens it moves the valve away from the cylinder wall preventing shrouding. This cyinder head design is not a hemisperical head. Want proof? Search on google for "New Hemi designs" and tell me what you come up with. :sunglasse

Yep, you're real cool!

Anyhow, you didn't even read the link that I provided did you. The 5.7L and the 6.1L Hemi both have hemispherical heads. No they do not have domed pistons, but neither did the first Hemi, the 331, that Chrysler put in a car.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/images/331_hemi_cutaway.jpg

You need to read up on the history of the Hemi some more, you honestly don't know what you're talking about. Here are a few links for you and even though they are kind of long I highly suggest you read them. I doubt you will though, you seem to have made you mind up even though you don't know what you're talking about. Also, I'm done with this, I've proven my point and I've posted facts to back it up.

The 5.7L and 6.1L Hemi. (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html)

The 426 Hemi. (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/hemi.html)

Hemi history. (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/chrysler-hemi.html)

Also, on a side note Chrysler was not really trying to say that the Magnum can beat a Lotus in that ad. They are trying to say that the Magnum is fast and sporty yet you can still haul a bunch of crap in the back unlike a small sports car.

Not true...I work at home depot and I saw a guy hauling 4 6 foot 2x4s in the back of his 2nd gen. RX7 :rofl: