Tuners vs. Rich 360 owners

I was just in a argument about how I was stupid because I would take a Supra over a 360. I think the only true racer cars are the ones you modified not $150,000+ stock cars. Whether it be tuner or muscle cars. I just wanted to know the question: Would you consider a Tuner car or a top end car such as a 360 Modena a race car?

No matter how much you tune a supra it will never be a ferrari. yes you may make it faster or maybe handle better but like I said its still no ferrari.
don't get me wrong a supra is an amazing car but whatever.

I think a better comparison would be the people who tune civics until they are oh i dunno comparable in speed to say a 911. now big thumbs up for doing that but i think i'd still rather have the 911 (then tune that maybe) At the end of the day you still drive a civic... I mean i would love to tune a car but i would never say it was better than a high end sports car. there are more things than speed that make a car better.

so the Geo Metro that a friend and I cut the springs 4 inches on, welded on 2.5" piping with no cat, resonator, or muffler, painted silver flames with blue tips and cut up the hood and made our own hood scoop for is a true race car?

True race cars aren't modded ones, they are the cars that you actually race with. Whether it be drag, auto-x, track or rally. Any car can be a true race car IMO, including the Metro we riced out.

No Honda, even a modified NSX or s2000 will be comparable to a Ferrari 360.

Its just different leagues of cars. Hondas are very good economy cars, and they produce very good sport oriented cars, but even if you can beat a Ferrari in any number figures you will never be close to the sensation of owning one.

I think it all depends whatever the rich dudes passion is - exotic European supercars are one passion, fully restored classic muscle cars are another passion, but, uhhh, modifying a Honda...not too many millionaires have a passion for that. They leave that up to us poor dudes.

I was just in a argument about how I was stupid because I would take a Supra over a 360. I think the only true racer cars are the ones you modified not $150,000+ stock cars. Whether it be tuner or muscle cars. I just wanted to know the question: Would you consider a Tuner car or a top end car such as a 360 Modena a race car?
Gee, where have I seen this before?





F&F!!!!!

just to clarify I wasn't really specifing a race car in my post I was just trying to point out that there is alot more to the full driving experience than how fast it goes. I mean personally when I buy a car one of the biggest parts for me is the interior. I mean think about it what part do you see most? the interior. Other things that make a great car are styling, power, handleing, reliability, etc. Not just how fast I can get from point A to point B.

So with that in mind, yes I think the ferrari is a better car than a tuned supra.

I think it all depends whatever the rich dudes passion is - exotic European supercars are one passion, fully restored classic muscle cars are another passion, but, uhhh, modifying a Honda...not too many millionaires have a passion for that. They leave that up to us poor dudes.

Hahha...exactly :grinyes:

If we were rich, we wouldnt be here talking about this shit, and modifying a Honda.

To tell you the truth I would rather have that Supra in the F&F than that Ferrari in that movie. I'm saying if I was given the amount of money to buy a Ferrari, i'd rather get a Supra and put that amount of money into it. I hate it when rich people just buy there cars fast and dont know how or why it's fast, I'd much rather make a Supra fast with installing performance parts myself.

To tell you the truth I would rather have that Supra in the F&F than that Ferrari in that movie. I'm saying if I was given the amount of money to buy a Ferrari, i'd rather get a Supra and put that amount of money into it. I hate it when rich people just buy there cars fast and dont know how or why it's fast, I'd much rather make a Supra fast with installing performance parts myself.




You are assuming that the average wealthy person knows nothing about cars. You may be right some wealthy people don't know much about cars, but it goes that same way on the flip side. A lot of people who tune Hondas, Toyotas etc know little about their cars as well, they just take it to a shop and say I want it to do this or that. If you were to get a supra would you know enough about the car to do the mods your self? There are a lot of car enthusiasts that come into a lot of money and buy cars like Ferraris and Porsches etc, they know a thing or two about them and that is why they bought it, not because of the status symbol. Some buy them because they know that there is superior engineering and quality behind them versus the average automobile.

I think I consider myself...you can take a car and modify it to hell and back...problem then is...your reliability is going down more and more...it becomes less streetable...but you take say a Ford GT...that car is quick as hell, looks good, and handles/brakes amazingly. What are you going to do? Put a 200shot of Nitrous on it? Are you insane? (Dont answer that)

Good thing about top end cars is that they are fast and dont need alot of mods or need no mods to be wicked quick

No Honda, even a modified NSX or s2000 will be comparable to a Ferrari 360.

Its just different leagues of cars. Hondas are very good economy cars, and they produce very good sport oriented cars, but even if you can beat a Ferrari in any number figures you will never be close to the sensation of owning one.

i disagree. the NSX is indeed very comparable to the F360 modena. the NSX S Zero can lap around the same as the a modena, and not to mention the almost all carbon fiber NSX-R will practically run circles around the F360.

the NSX is no econo box, it was designed to be a exotic car from the get go, in its initial release it was faster then rival ferraris and porsches. the only problem was when the europeans caught up the NSX sorta fell behind and got outdated. but the body is still contructed out of full aluminum the whole car is hand assembled.

the japanese NSX's all weights under 3000 lbs, and the NSX-R weights a amazingly low 2700 lbs.

you see a NSX on the street, it stands out like crazy. its no lambo but its definitly compariable to a F360 modena.

You can make a Supra, STi, Evo, or RX-7 just as fast as any supercar for much less money. The difference is that you have no warranty, a loud and bumpy ride, a crappy interior with fewer amenities, and less of a status symbol. If all that is worth the extra 100 grand to you, then go with the Ferrari. To me, it isn't.

one thing i find funny about these kind of discussions is that every now and then, someone will say something along the lines of that for less money, they can get a car as fast as the ferrarri.....
completely missing the point that if the guy who has a ferrari wanted to, he could do exactly the same thing.

the point is, he has the money.
he wants a ferrari.
let's say you wanted to have fried chicken.
you're not going to go and get vegetarian meat subsitute are you?
it might look the same, it might taste the same but well.... there's more to it than just looks and taste.

it's not even about speed.
if i were to get a ferrari, it would be a lowly 246 dino.
not fast, not the most reliable car in the world but that's not the point.
i just want one.
what you would get means absolutely zilch to me.

i'd rather get a ferrari over a supra

if i was rich i probably wouldn't be buying japanese cars (unless they're rare n etc), and stick with the fast exotic euro cars

i also agree that the modena isn't the end all to sportscars

the nsx s zero/r will probably beat it, and im sure there are some other cars out there that can do the same

Would you consider a Tuner car or a top end car such as a 360 Modena a race car?

Real race cars aren't designed to be driven on the road, so I would say they are both no race car. You could always modify them into a race car, but from the factory, a stock Modena is still meant for the road, and a 'tuner' car for the most part maintains driveability for the road. Although they (tuner/360) are still engineered to be an extremely quick car on the track, a true race car's purpose is explicitly for racing.

People with the money tune and race Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, BMW's, Porsches, Vipers, and on and on down the list.

Hell, there are even a ton of tiny exclusive companies that build sports cars that are barely road legal race rockets, like the Mosler MT900S Photon, Ultima GTR, and Noble M12 GTO.

And don't start pretending that starting out with a cheaper car = a cheaper project. Are you willing to tell me that Abel Ibarra doesn't have a 360 Modena's value of investment in his NHRA RX-7? How about how much money is in Taniguchi's Kei Office S15 in D1? Or any of the Top Secret R34 GTR's?

In short, your argument is :bs: Thanks for playing.

lets all go watch Best Motoring International Volume 14, super car battle with keiichi tsuchaya....drift king? ok in that episode we had a lambo gallardo, lambo murcielago, modena, 355, and nsx type s

5 lap race,who won? the lambos by .5 seconds, who came next, the nsx, damn skippy........the ferraris finished at the back of the pack because the brakes kept fading and the nsx simply out braked them at every turn

please note that the lancer evo 8 can also beat a ferrari for about 1/10 the price

lets all go watch Best Motoring International Volume 14, super car battle with keiichi tsuchaya....drift king? ok in that episode we had a lambo gallardo, lambo murcielago, modena, 355, and nsx type s

5 lap race,who won? the lambos by .5 seconds, who came next, the nsx, damn skippy........the ferraris finished at the back of the pack because the brakes kept fading and the nsx simply out braked them at every turn

please note that the lancer evo 8 can also beat a ferrari for about 1/10 the price
Firstly, the Lancer Evo VIII will NEVER look as good as a Ferrari, the Lancer Cedia body made sure of that.

Secondly, the Lancer can't get close to the high quality interior of any Ferrari. Plastic and Cloth or Aluminium or leather?

Thirdly, Ferrari of new are reliable, Mitsubishi's aren't.

Fourthly, only the Evo VIII FQ400 outperforms a 360 Modena or F430. the lower models are still slower.

Fifthly, It's a Ferrari, it won't depriciate. An Evo will lose almost all it's value after about 6 years.

Sixthly- Ferrari can be tuned up just as well as any Japper out there, for a price.

Don't even get me started on Mitsubishi deciding to bail out on warranties if the Evo's have been seen racing :rolleyes:

An Evo VIII may well out perform an F355, but can you really say you'd rather be driving the Evo VIII? To use my favourite Clarkson quote (Simply because it's so true in this situation) "The driver of the Evo VIII would fell satisfied, much like he's just had a nice warm bath. The driver of the F355 will feel like he's had a wild threesome with (insert your two dream girls here)". It's so true because the Evo VIII is fast and secure, because of all the technology stuffed in it, which takes away 50% of the fun. An F355 on the other hand, leaves the driver to his/her own devices.

There's a reason why Ferrari are so expensive, everybody wants one at any price. How many people can say they lust after a Toyota, Mitsubishi or a Honda at any price? Nobody.

A Ferrari is worth every cent it commands over Jap performance cars, simple as that.

To use my favourite Clarkson quote (Simply because it's so true in this situation) "The driver of the Evo VIII would fell satisfied, much like he's just had a nice warm bath. The driver of the F355 will feel like he's had a wild threesome with (insert your two dream girls here)".

LOL, it's so true though. My heart would start pumping a hell of alot harder if I was driving the ferrari. It's not just the speed of the car, it's the look and feel as well. Here's another metaphor concening cars and girls. There is the $50 hooker(EVO) and the beautiful $1,000 call girl(Ferarri) they will both get the job done, but which one would you rather have?

Actually, I've always thought of the souped up Japs as rather ordinary looking girls who've had a lot of plastic surgery, dress in revealing clothes and act slutty. Nice to look at for a while and certainly fun for a one night stand but you lose interest after a while. You'd take them to show off at a rave party.

Ferrari's are natural beauties with class and style who you'd want to have a long affair with. You'd take them to show off at a sophisticated dinner party.

Firstly, the Lancer Evo VIII will NEVER look as good as a Ferrari, the Lancer Cedia body made sure of that.

Secondly, the Lancer can't get close to the high quality interior of any Ferrari. Plastic and Cloth or Aluminium or leather?

Thirdly, Ferrari of new are reliable, Mitsubishi's aren't.

Fourthly, only the Evo VIII FQ400 outperforms a 360 Modena or F430. the lower models are still slower.

Fifthly, It's a Ferrari, it won't depriciate. An Evo will lose almost all it's value after about 6 years.

Sixthly- Ferrari can be tuned up just as well as any Japper out there, for a price.

Don't even get me started on Mitsubishi deciding to bail out on warranties if the Evo's have been seen racing :rolleyes:

An Evo VIII may well out perform an F355, but can you really say you'd rather be driving the Evo VIII? To use my favourite Clarkson quote (Simply because it's so true in this situation) "The driver of the Evo VIII would fell satisfied, much like he's just had a nice warm bath. The driver of the F355 will feel like he's had a wild threesome with (insert your two dream girls here)". It's so true because the Evo VIII is fast and secure, because of all the technology stuffed in it, which takes away 50% of the fun. An F355 on the other hand, leaves the driver to his/her own devices.

There's a reason why Ferrari are so expensive, everybody wants one at any price. How many people can say they lust after a Toyota, Mitsubishi or a Honda at any price? Nobody.

A Ferrari is worth every cent it commands over Jap performance cars, simple as that.

I would pay any price to get a 1971 KPGC-10 in and 99% condition.

anyway back to the topic, i have no respect for normal 360, i seriously think that normal 360 are like Louis Vuitton bag, just for the brand name, but if we are talking 360CS, then is a different story, the CS are build to give the best driving experince, so is if normal 360 vs tunner i think i will take the tunner but if is 360cs i will take that.

layla drunken jimster and a few others made very good points and to add to that driving a ferrari does not make you by default a poser, there are many true enthusiats out there that buy them.


Also if you think that a standard 360 is at maximum tune you are very seriously mistaken, they are set up for regular street use. Just as a small example the top Ferrari aka Enzo gets killed by a few whole seconds on the Fiorano track by the Mc12. And the Mc12 is just an Enzo with a sligthly better tune. This shows how much potential those cars have.


Fact is that a 360 or a 430 are also far better platforms than popular tuner cars such as EVO and supra. Lets see struts vs inequal lenght double a arms at all 4 coners. Big heavy engines up front (read polar momentum) vs mid engine layout etc......


and btw this comes from an evo and supra fan....

On average, everyone who has been an AF member for at least 12 seconds has participated in 8 of these threads. Which is why i stated at the top of this forum:

5. Use the search function to avoid making duplicate comparos. I don't want to see people rehashing the same arguments - if someone's already compared two cars don't start the same thread. Incredible as it may sound, you are not the first to compare a tuned japanese car to a Ferrari.
Funny that, eh?

Just to let you know where i stand, i've ditched my aim to buy a 911 and have instead decided to tune up my Golf. With a turbo, some NOS, and of course a discombobulator, i can take out any Porsche. So surely there would be absolutely no point in buying a 911, right? It's finally dawned on me. Buying a car has nothing to do with personal preference, it's all about VFM :rolleyes:

Forgive me if i close this thread, use the search function and see what everyone's previously said about this incredibly original comparison.