who can help me hit 170 db?

so ive decided that when i come back from overseas im going to get the mini cooper s with no back seat. just the bed like the back of an suv. i was looking a putting in two eclipse titanium pro 15s. ive never been a fan of 15s but im only concerned with big bass now. its getting to where i can barely hear my 12s anymore. people get in my car and they say they can feel their hair standing up and their throat tightening up. i dont feel it anymore. so, its time to go bigger, not just a little bigger either. i want to stop the hearts of small children from 20 feet away. j/k. but you get the idea. im tired of this weak ass shit. im getting a real system this time. all custom installed with a form fitted ported, vinyl enclosure. im talkin SEMA show type shit. im going to nationals and im gonna blow people away. what i need is someone who seriously knows their shit. WHAT KIND OF AMPS DO I NEED? no fucking around now. i dont want to hear what kind of amp you have. i mean, what kind of amps win big. i mean 170 to 180 db range. what kind of battery/alternator setup do i need? perhaps a 5 farad cap? these are the things i need to know. id really appreciated some knowledgable input. thanks

Your a dumbass you will never break a 160. A daily driver will not break a 170 its just not gunna happen. You'll be lucky to break a 150 w. those two eclipses. I don't think you realize how loud 170db's is.

Didn't 170.5 db break the sheet metal on a white van, (was it Scottie's van..Is that name right)...I remember seeing that video somewhere on the internet....And after 160db, dosen't your vehicle start fallling apart basically?

Yup, snapped the door frame in half. Ya buddy, 180db's??? in a cooper? NO. 170db's daily driver???NO. It just wont happen, specially not with mainstream crap.

As stated above, you are a complete imbecile and a failure at life. YOU will never break 150 dB's on the TL...i gaurantee it. BTW, that white van was the old brahma van. Scottie's new van, the Black van has 12 MT 12's and 14 MA HK4000d's with around 134k watts of power. He just hit 170.2 dB's on the TL SENSOR the tightest most accurate SPL sensor. He's the first person to do so EVER in a stock bodied vehicle. I sat in it...for real...it's heart stopping.

So, in conclusion germanyt...you father should have pulled out.

NG

Get 4 or 5 Power Acoustik MOFO 15's with 4000w rms to each an call it a day :slap:

Get 4 or 5 Power Acoustik MOFO 15's with 4000w rms to each an call it a day :slap:

should have just left it at...

Yup, snapped the door frame in half. Ya buddy, 180db's??? in a cooper? NO. 170db's daily driver???NO. It just wont happen, specially not with mainstream crap.

now go back to your hole! ;)

NG

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LOL!!!!

in order to hit 170dB you need at minimum:
walled off van/huge suv/etc
fuckloads of displacement....like scottie's 12 MT 12's or 9 brahma extreme 15's
100,000 watts or more
cement in your doors, walls, etc
probably 20 or more batteries
hundreds of hours of box designing, building, testing, etc

you're looking at a $50k-$100k endeavour if you don't have sponsorship, hell it might even be more, I've never actually gone in and started adding things up.

LOL!!!!

in order to hit 170dB you need at minimum:
walled off van/huge suv/etc
fuckloads of displacement....like scottie's 12 MT 12's or 9 brahma extreme 15's
100,000 watts or more
cement in your doors, walls, etc
probably 20 or more batteries
hundreds of hours of box designing, building, testing, etc

you're looking at a $50k-$100k endeavour if you don't have sponsorship, hell it might even be more, I've never actually gone in and started adding things up.

He's too much of a moron...even if he spent $250k I bet he still wouldn't hit over 160 by himself, period. peace

NG

apparently yall dont visit enough competitions. or dont know anything about the eclipse titanium. i have a buddy with a single eclipse 15 in a prefab vented enclosure and a 1600 or 1800w MTX amp in a mitsubishi eclipse. HITTING 150.1 dB on the front windshield. in case you are not sure, 1600 watts is only half of the rms rating on the titanium 15. Also, when i was living in pensacola florida, the state record of 176.3 was broken by someone with 3 eclipse titanium 15s in an extended cab dakota with just under 10000 watts rms. HITTING 177.2 dB. he also said that he will be at nationals hitting 180, no problem. so SUCK MY DICK. I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. unfortunately, i have no way of contacting him to get some info. thought maybe there were car audio enthusiast here. aparently, everyone of you just thinks they have the best system and like to argue about it. also, this is not going to be a daily driver, dont talk to me like i dont know shit.

well i figured out who could help me. since none of yall have anything constructive to say. his name is logan. check it out loganscarstereo.com or audioproz.com tell me you dont think this guy can do it.

Your an idiot. but, i will glady make a large bet with you that you cannot hit even low, mid, or high 170's.

Dude, 180 no problem? That's way off. First off you do need a van or some sort of suv, not a hatchback, at least for those kind of numbers. Once you get into the 155+ range do you know how hard it is to increase your db?? Each db is doubling your sound and isn't a piece of cake to achieve. You need who knows how many hours of trial and error with different box types, por types, etc.I don't think anyone has hit above 175(correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm sure noone has hit 180 and won't for a while. If you wanna compete, why don't you use what you have or upgrade a bit, and win in that class? Do you know how competitive these guys in the top levels of db drag are? Not to mention that at some point you're gonna have to learn the tricks of the trade yourself. These record holders aren't amateurs like you(no offense) they are either on a team or do all their shit themselves, they don't front money for someone else to do the work. Why don't you go see what you hit with what you have, compare it to other people in your class, and go from there, that's a bit more reasonable then goin from 140 to 170.

dude gremany do you realize that first of all the world record is like in the mid 170s (and no its not from 3 eclipses).. second of all theres a huge difference between older mics and the tl sensor. your buddy with the single 15 would probably end up in the low to mid 140s at best on a termlab. if you expect for two eclipses in a mini cooper so give you 30 more dbs over your friend youre crazy.

also, your boy logan looks like hes straight outta west coast customs.. and no thats not a compliment in this case cause yeah he can make a show vehicle with a fiberglass wall of 12s and 20 screens, i bet he doesnt know shit about competitions and how so score big at them. so you said to tell you.. so im telling you.. i dont think that guy can do it.

are you even gonna be serious abotu competing? if so then you need to work on some stuff (including a sponsorship). if not then who the hell cares if youre at 170 dbs or not? im sure you could get in the 150s with those subs and itll be loud enough to make you go deaf over time. what more than that do you want?

Also, like sr said, to hit 160+ you need tons of batteries, sound deadener or cement, master/slave amps etc. It's not buying some subs and amps and calling it a day, it's expensive as hell. Also, it's very rare that any of the top spl guys use caps(I'm aware I have a cap in the sig before people start riding me for it, it's been there forever and I'm too lazy to disconnect it).

BTW you won't hit a 180 I'm skeptical as if anyone will ever hit a 180. The world record right now is a 176.something by sweeds or finns or sumthin. The highest level posible is 190db......your not getting to 10db under the loudest possible...... If you wanna quit bein a dumbass car audio NOOB and face the fact that you don't know shit.....then come to us and get our opinions on how you could do mid 140's to 150 THEN we might be more willing to help.

Prince to get 170DB's:
Busted old Van: 1000
12 12's : 7500
24 high powered amps: 12000
48 yellow tops 9600
shittons of wiring 150
head unit to run it 100
line driver dunno well call it 400
MDF for a wall 250
resin and hardener 100
alternators...... hmm well if you only bruping then 1000 but to run daily u would need more alts then would fit under the hood.....so well say 1000
32 grand $32,000.00
That's for a van that can only burp, not play music, and it would be a total POS. hmm come to think of it you'll also need a TL and help cuz god knows u couldn't do it yourself..... THEN you would be getting close to 170. Prolly not breaking it. Be realistic NOOB.

ohh yea..... I guarantee that guy can't help you to hit a 170 with twice the equipment listed.

i dont recall saying i was on a budget. i dont care what the cost is. i realize it is going to be a massive install. batteries, alternators, etc. but if a friend of mine can hit 150 with one 15, then i should get at least 10 more than that with 2 times the speaker and 4 times the power. by the way kmoney, every 3 db is doubling your sound, not 1.

bumpinstang, get over yourself. i know more about hooking up systems than you think. not that i have to prove myself to you. i happen to be an electronics warfare technician in the us navy. ive been through two years of technician schools. i could build an amp blindfolded from spare parts. so shut the fuck up. you have no idea what your talkin about

also, the guy with the 3 15s record is an unofficial florida state record. the competition was held at the Pensacola Fairgrounds. the accuracy of the mic does not concern me, what does is that it was the loudest system i have ever heard and if i hook the same db meter up in my car i want it to read the same. not to say that the mic wasn't just as accurate as any other, but it is possible that it's off a little.

i have no idea what I'm talkin about LOL come to me when u can hit a 140 on the TL w/ 2 12's tuned to 28hz and 300 watts. your a dumbass u prolly couldn't even name the major components inside an amp much less even build one..... you prove yourself to be an idiot everytime you post...... u will never hit 170 it takes more then money and equipment.

whatever dude. im done. i didn't post so i could argue. this is not yahoo chat where everyone acts like bitches and talks shit when nothing can be proven or solved from either end. just leave it alone and when i get it hooked up, ill let you know what im hitting. i talked to my buddy logan. he is gonna help me out. maybe you are right, we will find out.

Chills Germany.....
Go get an astro van.
Wait untill RE comes out with their new subs that will move 4" P2P
Get about 10 of them. get you a giant enclosure and put them in there.
Make the enclosure small and tuned high with lots of port area.
Because the more port area you have the less the cone will move with a given wattage this will allow for more burp wattage.
Get you a shit load of SH-1's. or something similar. give each speaker about 15,000w.
Put as many altinators as you can under the hood.
load what rooms you have left with deep cycle batteries. oh and you might want a signal processor and something to syncronize all of the amp outputs so that you get maximum output.
with you building it you still wont hit 170dB but it will be loud anyway. burp only with that sort of wattage.
oh and i bet yo ucant afford it. Bumpin was giving basic figures. it still cost more than that. and for a van that can only do short burps and not even play music lead alone be driven....
and FYI 180-190dB is right around the loudest you can get with normal atmospheric pressure. now if you'd like to buy a sumbmarine and take it down 15,000ft so you can hit 200dB i will be right behind you.
and if you really want to talk to some one who can "help" you head over to AOL chat rooms. there is some person in there claiming they are alma gates. she has hit into the 170's with somehting like 64 kickers. its pretty sad when scottie can do what she is doing with 1/5 the woofers.
oh and 3dB doubles wattage.
2000w hitting 140dB
4000w hitting 143dB
8000w hitting 146dB
16000w hitting 149dB
32000w hitting 152dB
64000w hitting 155dB
128000w hitting 158dB
256000w hitting 161dB
512000w hitting 164dB
1024000w hitting 167dB
2048000w hitting 170dB

who is scottie?

by the way, i was checking out the pioneer website. they have a ford pickup with 9 12" pioneers that broke and official national record. he does have quite a few amps adding up to shitloads of wattage. why i dont know. the subs could not possibly be receiving all of it. there is no way they could handle it.

This is a lost cause, for the most part, people here are gonna rip on you, try taking your question to the competition section of car audio forums, perhaps you might have better luck but I don't know. :1: Though for the statement that everyone argues that their stuff is the best....

any coil can handle massive ammounts of wattage for very short periods of time (which are what burps are) so much that usually you will hit the suspension limit before frying the coil for that short period of time. which is how you can feed an XXX15 20,000w in a boom box for 1/2-1sec and hit mid150's....

but over 100000 watts to 9 twelves. that is pretty interesting

oh i forgot, this guy with the pioneer ford said in his interview that it was bumping for like 5 minutes. maybe only half power or something.

he is running TSW5000SPL 12s. i might look into these instead of the eclipses. also i just found out that mtx makes a 22" sub called the jackhammer. that is insane. probly sounds like shit.

why dont you look into a couple DD 9915s? can you fit them into a mini cooper?

fryman the new RE subs are NOT competition subs and the MT's will likely be better suited for competition..... the new RE subs are SQL subs..... just wait for the warden!

fryman the new RE subs are NOT competition subs and the MT's will likely be better suited for competition..... the new RE subs are SQL subs..... just wait for the warden!

Yeah, my TOP choice for an SPL car would be Warden's and 20.1's or....wait longer...40.1's ;)

NG

im not familiar with dd9915. pretty much anything will fit in a cooper. if i can find one that doesnt have seats in the back. ive been asking around if mini makes one with a flat carpeted bed in the back. haven't found out yet.

www.ddaudio.com check it out.. as far as i know it still hold the world spl record.. or at least in one calss anyways..


im sure the wardens will be nuts too but i havent heard much about em.

Resonance subs are built cheap no me gusta....... get wardens build a nice box and the bass will come...where you located if u wanna get loud I know the people to get you loud.

DD9917's $1100+ each, some bad mofo's

DD9917's $1100+ each, some bad mofo's

I'd rather have a death Penalty (oh wait...i do) :loser: 3 tenths louder...

NG

Pwned Ia/re>dd

WTF? did i ever say it was the loudest? so, i said they where bad mofo's, which they are.
BTW IMO the 9900 looks better than the DP... plus IA doesnt have near the wrap sheet of DD.... and im a DD fan so...id still rather have a 9900 since it would preform better in every day ;)

bullfucking shit DP will ass rape it everyday.......... just wait till the WArden comes out and is like a db or more up on the shitty ass 9900's. IA PWNZ

wait im confused.. you guys are daying DP over 9900s for SPL?? i didnt think DPs were that loud?? hmm clear this up for me.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU BSing?
9900 and 9100's are have some of the better SQ from DD. funny how DD's absolute SPL have better SQ than their everyday bumpers...

DD sucks guys.... the only reason there so successful in competition is they've been around for so long and they are DECENT competition subs...... replace DD's w/ MT's or Warden's and a gain will be seen.

WHAT???? Audiobahn is the only way to compete well, according to the knobs around here anyway!

LOL ...... believe it or not immortals aren't too awful bad..... if u like DD's that is..... it's a resonance designed sub..... yes noobies and ppl who don't know shiz DD=resonance..... actualy resonance is the buildhouse for DD (and AudioQue). like Destijl is for RE.

i doubt u can hit over 150db especially if its your daily driver and you haven't even mentioned any electronic upgrades or power, also the mini doesn't exactly have alot of room to work with, not to be offensive but i dont know why you'd even try

just curious, what are you running right now? why not just get something louder than that? you're not guna hit past 150db with w/e ur guna get (or w/e u can try to fit it in the mini)

Didn't 170.5 db break the sheet metal on a white van, (was it Scottie's van..Is that name right)...I remember seeing that video somewhere on the internet....And after 160db, dosen't your vehicle start fallling apart basically?

That was on Adire's site. It was a Brahma setup with 15's.

I kinda like Immortals, not the new ones though

that was which 9 super brahma's, which jave more throw and greater power handleing and cost 700 something.
DD is so sucessful because they make great woofers for the price. except for the 9900....which is very limited.
DD does not suck. DD > Nearly all main stream.
DD is also very loud. It isnt my fault you are an XBL/RE whore Bumpin...
If DD would get off their ass they could far surpass the MT. But they are old school... like paul...

DD dont need no XBL^2.... :lol: