SRT-4 Stage 3R.......holly crap!

Yeah, I'll wait. Slicks shaving a whole second. Wow.

We just LOVE arguing, don't we?

:disappoin we do :( i think its from the huge e-peen i grew back in the day when i was a online gamoRR!!!!! i played daoc (dark age of camelot) way to much before i got a car, a job, and a life lol. I try to keep it under control but some times it has a mind of its own.

On top of that i am at work and bored out of my mind.

Stock 03 (no LSD) runnen 13.3 http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Neon-Timeslip-3419.html I'll keep looken for some 04-05 srt-4s with slicks times.

No reply from Steiner yet? I would like to here from people who have driven all the cars in question. I myself have never driven any of them so my option doesn’t really matter, but if it was me I would get the STI because it is a RWD biased AWD system I believe?

However it seems like you got your mind set on either the SRT-4 or the EVO. Out of those two its hands down the EVO. Think of it this way Musashi. If money was not an issue which car would you get? I’m guessing the EVO. So that being said get the Evo because I can guarantee you that you will always wish you had that car if you don’t get it. Its like anything in life your never truly happy when you settle for anything less then what you want.

no the subaru does not have a rwd biased awd system. the torque split can be 35/65 (think: the old base subarus were fwd, and the sti uses the same awd system, just modified.)

no the subaru does not have a rwd biased awd system. the torque split can be 35/65 (think: the old base subarus were fwd, and the sti uses the same awd system, just modified.)

Right so it is either even or more power to the rear. Wheres the Evo is either more power to the front wheels or even.

Right so it is either even or more power to the rear. Wheres the Evo is either more power to the front wheels or even.

I think i remeber reading somewhere the evo is 50/50 at some points and 100/0 when excelerating in a straight line.

all 3 are pretty nice cars and you probably couldn't go wrong with it.

I do however have gripes about the srt-4's looks. It reminds me too much of a neon but it offers great power at less of a price.

STI and EVO are awd drive and I'm sure they are a couple of the most fun street vehicles around. I have however seen a couple of articles from magazines of them having to go back and rebuild the STI from scratch and it just seems to turn me away from them.

Its a hard decision. On one hand you have a cheaper fwd turbo car that can be upgraded into somewhat of a monster or you have that awd turbo car that is proclaimed to be the king of the street (I speak of both STI and EVO here)

Also keep in mind the 4g63t has been around a bit longer than the other two and will probably prove to be easier and possibly cheaper to upgrade.

Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..I'm still sticking with the STi. The SRT-4 is FWD..which is where I lose interest. And the Evo and the STi are practically the same car...but the STi is faster. So I like the STi. Simple as pie.

I love how people say "well it's good from a roll"
Racing from a roll is just plain gay in my opinion. Real cars rip from a line.

Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..I'm still sticking with the STi. The SRT-4 is FWD..which is where I lose interest. And the Evo and the STi are practically the same car...but the STi is faster. So I like the STi. Simple as pie.

I think that depends. Judging by the numbers I would suppose the STi ranks higher by just a small amount but I see them as being pretty evenly matched.

Yeah, but from what I've seen the motor in the STi isn't packing too much by way of reliability either. At least it would be cheap to fix a 4g63t back up, not so sure about the STi.

I do agree with you about the srt-4. I've driven 2 fwd cars in my life, thats enough for me.


Highrev, the opportunity for races from a roll seems to come often to some. I have had way more roll races than races from a stop myself but I still strongly dislike fwd launches as they do suck at gaining any decent traction.

I love how people say "well it's good from a roll"
Racing from a roll is just plain gay in my opinion. Real cars rip from a line.

Well, lets think about this one for a secound my man. how many opertunities on the street/highway do u have a chance to run from a stop? Racing is racing there is no exact way or science to it. Roll racing is by no means a drivers race. Roll racing takes the driving aspect out of racing. Its more of a who's car is faster race. Roll racing imo is the best way to determine wich car is faster. Now Racing from a digg is waaaayyyyy more of a drivers race. But its almost pointless if your a fwd car to try and beat huge low end torque numbers at the real wheels from a dig. please don't be too heated that the shit box neon is faster then your car. :biggrin:

I prefer from a dig..but I'll take a roll if I have to.

I prefer from a dig..but I'll take a roll if I have to.

ohh yeah def dig racing is way more fun the drivers element is actually in the race. But the only way an LS1 wont pull on me ubber hard is if i race from a roll. From a stop it will just be buss lengths.

I think i remeber reading somewhere the evo is 50/50 at some points and 100/0 when excelerating in a straight line.

quoted for truth

Yeah, but 4G63s aren't exactly the most reliable motor around..

correction: dsm 4g63's arent the most reliable. were talking a refined and japanese sourced 4g63 (it even spins in the opposite direction compared to the dm 4g's), not to mention the sti motor is relatively new.

if you have the money and you want comfort and power, sti.
if you have the money and you want a car with an edge, evolution.
if you dont have the money but want a kick, neon srt4.

All 3 cars are faster than mine and I would gladly accept any one of them as a birthday present(April 7, FYI)...the end.

Well, a few weeks ago I went with a friend in his 2003 Evo to a car lot to test drive an '04 SRT4. Lets just say after the test drive I had to ask "Did floor it that one time? Cause it sounded like it but it didn't really feel like it." I will say this, this 'NEW' car had 1k miles on it, all from test drives. So we didn't judge all SRT4s on that one we test drove, but it was very comfortable, and sounded mean.. But I guess that one we were driving was a complete dog. The SRT4 emblem on the engine was already starting to wear off, it barely started from sitting there for so long, etc. We are going to go testdrive an '05 with 10 miles on it at the dealership he got his evo at to do a real comparison.

Front wheel drive cars are simply NOT race cars, period. Anyone whose ever taken a fwd car on a long strip..breaking 130, KNOWS they handle like sh*t. I did, wasn't fun.

It's like giving rainman swat gear and telling him to raid a building...yeah he'll probably get it done..he's got the smarts (srt4's power) but not the physical nature to do it. Lol, thats some funny sh*t.

All i can say is, if you want a cheap, fast car..good for a straight line..get it. I personally love the srt's, lots of people think they are ugle, i like the look to them. But man o man if they where rwd, they would easily sell out like 29 cent tampons.

A question, HOW THE HELL do you guys deal with torque steer...?

Lol, i also own a lazy high 15's 4.6 tbird.....anyone wanna donate me an evo..? or even an srt4..? Please..?

Wow, all this hate towards FWD! I'm deffinetly getting an SRT now, all this bullshit must be repressed envy!

I've gotten my 3000GT up to 140mph (fwd) and my friend, the one with the STI was fucking amazed how stable it is. hell I've been in AWD cars that felt shakier then that!

I also owned a gsx so I know how costly maintenance is on an awd. too much crap to fix and maintain!

and I currently own a RWD too, the starion. floor a fwd hard in a corner and you'll loose some traction and wabble, Floor the RWD and you'll end up facin the other way!

Ever seena cop pit a rwd? ever seen em pit a fwd? yeah no right? cause they are just that much steadier!

funny you guys call it a neon. the SRT is as far froma neon as the EVO is from a Lancer OZ!

a car has to be good to make so much enemies! kinda like how all import guys hate mustangs! cause they know a mustang with minor mods will become a beast and swallow them up!

I'm looking for safety (FWD=teh safe), easy on my pocket (EVO= teh too much maintenance) fun to drive and comfy for daily driving (SRT= teh everyone will be pissed you got one on a daily basis and pissing people off is my specialty) and most important the promise that if anything goes wrong it will be taken care of (Mitsubishi wont back any one up, the EVO is a great car and I will always love it but too bad its sold by absolute assholes!)

plus I thought the SRT had a 14.7 stock quarter......13s? i'm sold......Mopar or no car!

Wow, all this hate towards FWD! I'm deffinetly getting an SRT now, all this bullshit must be repressed envy!

I've gotten my 3000GT up to 140mph (fwd) and my friend, the one with the STI was fucking amazed how stable it is. hell I've been in AWD cars that felt shakier then that!

I also owned a gsx so I know how costly maintenance is on an awd. too much crap to fix and maintain!

and I currently own a RWD too, the starion. floor a fwd hard in a corner and you'll loose some traction and wabble, Floor the RWD and you'll end up facin the other way!

Ever seena cop pit a rwd? ever seen em pit a fwd? yeah no right? cause they are just that much steadier!

funny you guys call it a neon. the SRT is as far froma neon as the EVO is from a Lancer OZ!

a car has to be good to make so much enemies! kinda like how all import guys hate mustangs! cause they know a mustang with minor mods will become a beast and swallow them up!

I'm looking for safety (FWD=teh safe), easy on my pocket (EVO= teh too much maintenance) fun to drive and comfy for daily driving (SRT= teh everyone will be pissed you got one on a daily basis and pissing people off is my specialty) and most important the promise that if anything goes wrong it will be taken care of (Mitsubishi wont back any one up, the EVO is a great car and I will always love it but too bad its sold by absolute assholes!)

plus I thought the SRT had a 14.7 stock quarter......13s? i'm sold......Mopar or no car!

haha good choice, your right though all the srt-4 h8ters out there h8 on the srt-4 cause of envy. Also when test driveing n srt-4 wait tell the engine heats up to 200 then floor it. Below 200 your gunna be runnen 8-10 pounds of boost, after 200 your gunna be runnen 14-15 pounds of boost. That might explain the sluggishness. In no way is this car a neon, except the chassi, even the body is diff then the neon. its like callen a a VW r32 just a golf.

Ok I have to strongly disagree with FWD being safer. I’m so tried of people saying that. How is FWD safer do tell? You have your front wheels powering your car, steering your car, and stopping your car. That’s a lot of responsibility for the front wheels. If you lose traction in a FWD you just lost all those things. Sure FWD is better at moving your car in the snow then RWD but its not better for controlling your car. Also when you lift off on the throttle the engine begins to break like in any car however in a FWD car in the winter or at high speeds this can be very dangerous resulting in either under or oversteer. This is how I see many people crash in the winter. I have said this before and I will say it again FWD cars are better for people who cant drive. If one takings the time to learn how to control a RWD car and handle overseer they will be much better off, because the understeer you get with a FWD car is much harder to recover from then oversteer in a RWD car. I live on a very bad corner. And I have lost count of how many accidents I have WATCHED happen. And I will tell you what 80 percent of the cars that crash are FWD coincidence? You decided. What I have noticed from driving FWD cars is (though I have only been driving on the road for a year) they tend to give the driver a “feeling” of more control, but when you push them over “that edge” they turn on you.

I’m not trying to attack you Musashi or your choice of the SRT-4 as I agree it is a fine car that gets a bad wrap, but I was just sick of people saying that about FWD cars.

Ok I have to strongly disagree with FWD being safer. I’m so tried of people saying that. How is FWD safer do tell? You have your front wheels powering your car, steering your car, and stopping your car. That’s a lot of responsibility for the front wheels. If you lose traction in a FWD you just lost all those things. Sure FWD is better at moving your car in the snow then RWD but its not better for controlling your car. Also when you lift off on the throttle the engine begins to break like in any car however in a FWD car in the winter or at high speeds this can be very dangerous resulting in either under or oversteer. This is how I see many people crash in the winter. I have said this before and I will say it again FWD cars are better for people who cant drive. If one takings the time to learn how to control a RWD car and handle overseer they will be much better off, because the understeer you get with a FWD car is much harder to recover from then oversteer in a RWD car. I live on a very bad corner. And I have lost count of how many accidents I have WATCHED happen. And I will tell you what 80 percent of the cars that crash are FWD coincidence? You decided. What I have noticed from driving FWD cars is (though I have only been driving on the road for a year) they tend to give the driver a “feeling” of more control, but when you push them over “that edge” they turn on you.

I’m not trying to attack you Musashi or your choice of the SRT-4 as I agree it is a fine car that gets a bad wrap, but I was just sick of people saying that about FWD cars.


The most important thing is to know the limits of your car. One is not safer from the other. Shitty drivers reck thier cars wether its fwd, awd, or rwd. I think he ment safe as in easyer to maintain, less chance of the drivetrain to crap out on him.

gee, i wonder why ANYONE could possibly ever call an SRT-4 a neon. OH YEAH! because it fucking looks like a dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler! Maybe that's why!

gee, i wonder why ANYONE could possibly ever call an SRT-4 a neon. OH YEAH! because it fucking looks like a dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler! Maybe that's why!

srt-4 envy?

all he was saying that if you are gonna call a srt a neon, you might as well call an evo a lancer as well.

Of course I envy SRT-4s. I mean..who doesn't envy a four door dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler? Not to mention it's FWD. It's pretty fast for what it is..but there is no way I'd buy one now. Not after seeing one up close and having beat a few.

Oh, and BTW: Let's not turn this into a mustang VS srt-4 thread. okay?


Yeah..I've talked to people who called the evo 8 a lancer 8. I know a guy with an STi who just calls it a WRX. I hardly ever hear them bitching about 'OMFG..IT'S NOT A WRX..IT'S AN STi!". Mostly because WRXs and lancers aren't shameful, unreliable cars with a bad reputation. Well..the lancer is getting there. But still.

Lets just leave it with "Different strokes for different folks"

Of course I envy SRT-4s. I mean..who doesn't envy a four door dodge neon with a body kit and a spoiler? Not to mention it's FWD. It's pretty fast for what it is..but there is no way I'd buy one now. Not after seeing one up close and having beat a few.

Oh, and BTW: Let's not turn this into a mustang VS srt-4 thread. okay?


Yeah..I've talked to people who called the evo 8 a lancer 8. I know a guy with an STi who just calls it a WRX. I hardly ever hear them bitching about 'OMFG..IT'S NOT A WRX..IT'S AN STi!". Mostly because WRXs and lancers aren't shameful, unreliable cars with a bad reputation. Well..the lancer is getting there. But still.

Well the imprezza is a friggen awsome car in its base form ne ways lol. Btw OMGZ MY RWD SRT-4 WITH TWIN TURBOz OWNZ MUSTANGZZZ!!!11!!!1!!ONE111!!!

haha. oh well..even though you drive a shitty neon, you still have a good sense of humour.






J/K. Your sense of humour is shitty too. ;) :p









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haha. oh well..even though you drive a shitty neon, you still have a good sense of humour.






J/K. Your sense of humour is shitty too. ;) :p









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Man that hurt, that hurt on the inside. Mb i should have to PO ticket you so u will stop being so mean.

I thought it would.

I thought it would.

you had me on the joking part and then i read it as was like, well shit that hurt.

Yo Chexmixa, its gonna be few but as soon as I get it (round mid June) i'll look ya up, thanks for the help and all and the sites you reffered me to, appreciate all that shnit bro.

Dampachi....good luck with the ticket son! j/k dont hate on SRTs bro, you scare me like that!

Yo Chexmixa, its gonna be few but as soon as I get it (round mid June) i'll look ya up, thanks for the help and all and the sites you reffered me to, appreciate all that shnit bro.

Dampachi....good luck with the ticket son! j/k dont hate on SRTs bro, you scare me like that!


def look me up at tell me what yah think of it lol. No prob, allways willing to help out a fellow/future srt-4'er.

ok ok ok. an srt4 is a neon. i'm not sure why you guys say its so different. can somebody convince me otherwise? i even read that article chemix posted and it didnt change my opinon.

ok ok ok. an srt4 is a neon. i'm not sure why you guys say its so different. can somebody convince me otherwise? i even read that article chemix posted and it didnt change my opinon.

Only way i could do so is if u were to actually drive one. preferably an 04-05.

Yea but you SRT-4 drivers take it way too personally. Its a neon... plan and simple. I call STI's impreza's? Most people realize the SRT-4 is a world different then the Neon but it is still a Neon. Its not our fault Neon’s have crappy reputations.

Edit: And hey if people still want to be dicks about calling the SRT4 a Neon then hey take it to the streets.

And the SRT-10 Ram is stil just that... a Ram.

And the SRT-8 300C is still that... a 300C Hemi.

And the SRT-6 Crossfire is still that... Crossfire.

They're just Top of the Line versions of their brethren.

Just like the WRX and STi are Upgraded models of their Impreza brethren. Same with Lancers and Evolutions.


Does anybody care what you call it? No.


Stop the bitching.