Safe Nitrous level??
DetroitMuscle15
03-08-2005, 01:43 PM
Iam getting a 99+ Mustang GT in a few months and i cant spend big on mods.......I can spend a few here and there for minor bolt-ons but i want Nitrous.....Will it be safe and will my engine last long if i got a 125 shot kit or should i keep it low because i dont want my to shorten my engine life that much
dampachi
03-08-2005, 02:47 PM
Only 125hp shot? Go all out and get a 400hp shot! Your motor can handle it no problem. Launch at 5k rpms..and as soon as you drop the clutch..spray your nawzzzzz!
SkylineUSA
03-08-2005, 03:35 PM
I am with dampachi, why limit yourself http://www.modularfords.com/forums/images/smilies/whistle.gif
HighRev87
03-08-2005, 04:02 PM
ahahhahaha....ehhh.....ahhahahhaha.
Yea the mustang's engine is virtually indestructable (unless you dont add water to your gas tank then it will blow.)
In my suggestion: Buy 3 125 kits, so you have a 375 shot (400 might be pushing the indestrucatble motor) and add some hot water to your gas tank before going out. Should be good for about 660rwhp, unless you use water + salt in tank, then about 760rwhp.
Yea the mustang's engine is virtually indestructable (unless you dont add water to your gas tank then it will blow.)
In my suggestion: Buy 3 125 kits, so you have a 375 shot (400 might be pushing the indestrucatble motor) and add some hot water to your gas tank before going out. Should be good for about 660rwhp, unless you use water + salt in tank, then about 760rwhp.
SkylineUSA
03-08-2005, 04:26 PM
Iam getting a 99+ Mustang GT in a few months and i cant spend big on mods.......I can spend a few here and there for minor bolt-ons but i want Nitrous.....Will it be safe and will my engine last long if i got a 125 shot kit or should i keep it low because i dont want my to shorten my engine life that much
Go with a 50 shot, and jet your way up. Every 50, retard 1*.
Go with a 50 shot, and jet your way up. Every 50, retard 1*.
DetroitMuscle15
03-08-2005, 04:36 PM
common guys be serious..............Id figure since Dampachis gonna have around 350-400HP...a nice 125 shot of Nitrous will at least enable me to pace him for a few seconds
HighRev87
03-08-2005, 06:29 PM
common guys be serious..............Id figure since Dampachis gonna have around 350-400HP...a nice 125 shot of Nitrous will at least enable me to pace him for a few seconds
125 is safe. 150 can be done but is pushing it. Both need a tune. However, he would beat you with either.
125 is safe. 150 can be done but is pushing it. Both need a tune. However, he would beat you with either.
eillob
03-08-2005, 06:30 PM
I think you'll be very safe with a 125 shot. 150 is about as high as I would push it, and stay away from the wet kits stick with the dry shots.
HighRev87
03-08-2005, 07:04 PM
I think you'll be very safe with a 125 shot. 150 is about as high as I would push it, and stay away from the wet kits stick with the dry shots.
I would beg to differ. From the research I did when I considered spray, alot more problems come from dry kits then wet. Also, with recent growing technology from high end companies (such as NOS), wet-nozzles are more preventative to "puddle-ing" then the older wet kits were (which is why most shyed from them)
I would beg to differ. From the research I did when I considered spray, alot more problems come from dry kits then wet. Also, with recent growing technology from high end companies (such as NOS), wet-nozzles are more preventative to "puddle-ing" then the older wet kits were (which is why most shyed from them)
noctorum
03-08-2005, 07:05 PM
I think you'll be very safe with a 125 shot. 150 is about as high as I would push it, and stay away from the wet kits stick with the dry shots.
Why?
Why?
dampachi
03-08-2005, 07:27 PM
If you ran drag radials..and a 150hp shot..And you had a good launch and then used your nitrous..you may be able to pull ahead until I get traction. I will be running street tires..possibly nitto 555s.
HighRev87
03-08-2005, 07:28 PM
Why?
why what?
why 125 is safe? That is a modest amount to run without putting to much wear on the engine.
why 150 max? It is probally about the highest level you can do without running into major internal problems.
why dry kit? Matter of opinion.
why what?
why 125 is safe? That is a modest amount to run without putting to much wear on the engine.
why 150 max? It is probally about the highest level you can do without running into major internal problems.
why dry kit? Matter of opinion.
noctorum
03-08-2005, 07:49 PM
why what?
why 125 is safe? That is a modest amount to run without putting to much wear on the engine.
why 150 max? It is probally about the highest level you can do without running into major internal problems.
why dry kit? Matter of opinion.
Why dry kit
I thought wet was safer?
why 125 is safe? That is a modest amount to run without putting to much wear on the engine.
why 150 max? It is probally about the highest level you can do without running into major internal problems.
why dry kit? Matter of opinion.
Why dry kit
I thought wet was safer?
DetroitMuscle15
03-08-2005, 08:08 PM
Yeah iam definitly gonna consider a 125 shot. i will be puttin around 380HP and iam "decent" at launching but i probally wont be usin drag radials so once Tim gets traction im toast.....oh well
HighRev87
03-08-2005, 08:31 PM
i will be puttin around 380HP
at the wheels? No...
The 99+ Gts are rated at 260hp (03-04 might be like 265), but that is at the crank, at the wheels you can look forward to drivetrain loss.
at the wheels? No...
The 99+ Gts are rated at 260hp (03-04 might be like 265), but that is at the crank, at the wheels you can look forward to drivetrain loss.
eillob
03-08-2005, 09:35 PM
I would beg to differ. From the research I did when I considered spray, alot more problems come from dry kits then wet. Also, with recent growing technology from high end companies (such as NOS), wet-nozzles are more preventative to "puddle-ing" then the older wet kits were (which is why most shyed from them)Well to each is own, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But here's why I say what I do. If we were talking carbs here than I would definately say go wet for obvious reasons. However the intake manifold on a fuel injected car was never ment to have raw fuel sprayed into it. Fuel can collect in areas inside your manifold that you can't see which can lead to backfires or explosions. The newer wet nozzles may be more preventative of puddle-ing but you won't find one company that will guarantee it, they cant. Puddle-ing is not determined by the nozzle its determined by the manifold. All it takes is once.
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems. Why do people have problems with dry kits? Because they don't properly set up the vehicle. A dry kit relies on the fuel injectors to spray the right amount of at the right time. So you running a stock fuel pump and stock injectors is probably not a good idea. Can you get away with it maybe but why risk running lean.
I would suggest running at least a 190 fuel pump. A fuel pressure regulator with a guage so you can see exactly how much fuel pressure your running. I would also suggest 24lb injectors if your running more than 75hp shot.:2cents:
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems. Why do people have problems with dry kits? Because they don't properly set up the vehicle. A dry kit relies on the fuel injectors to spray the right amount of at the right time. So you running a stock fuel pump and stock injectors is probably not a good idea. Can you get away with it maybe but why risk running lean.
I would suggest running at least a 190 fuel pump. A fuel pressure regulator with a guage so you can see exactly how much fuel pressure your running. I would also suggest 24lb injectors if your running more than 75hp shot.:2cents:
silverstangs
03-08-2005, 10:39 PM
Well to each is own, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But here's why I say what I do. If we were talking carbs here than I would definately say go wet for obvious reasons. However the intake manifold on a fuel injected car was never ment to have raw fuel sprayed into it. Fuel can collect in areas inside your manifold that you can't see which can lead to backfires or explosions. The newer wet nozzles may be more preventative of puddle-ing but you won't find one company that will guarantee it, they cant. Puddle-ing is not determined by the nozzle its determined by the manifold. All it takes is once.
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems. Why do people have problems with dry kits? Because they don't properly set up the vehicle. A dry kit relies on the fuel injectors to spray the right amount of at the right time. So you running a stock fuel pump and stock injectors is probably not a good idea. Can you get away with it maybe but why risk running lean.
I would suggest running at least a 190 fuel pump. A fuel pressure regulator with a guage so you can see exactly how much fuel pressure your running. I would also suggest 24lb injectors if your running more than 75hp shot.:2cents:
1) I have always disliked Nitrous, to me bottles are for babies. The other thing, I have seen several cars that have popped the intake or blown the engine with nitrous. I have seen that with both dry and wet nitrous systems.
2) Puddle-ing is caused by the manifold, but that is magnified by the type of system used to deliver the nitrous. Certain systems are more prone to enhance the puddleing effect due to where the nozzle is place in the intake system. There are systems however that does not puddle due to the design, regardless of the intake system.
Nitrous Oxide Systems that is owned by HOLLEY has the NOSzle system which basically has the nozzels sitting under the fuel injectors. It's a brillant idea.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/s08100NOS.jpg http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/sNOSzle.jpg
The benefit to this....... is that there is no PUDDLING at all because FORD has the injectors pointed to the back of the intake valve. So your not going to get the puddling effect, or the nitrous gas pooling in the intake because the nitrous and extra fuel is being sprayed directy at the intake valve. This design bypasses 99% of the intake system. You can easly add the 100 shot without issues and worries. The other benefit, is that the Noszle system also has a extra fuel supply line for each nozzle. thus, you don't need to upgrade the injectors because your not going to run lean. And you don't have to spend extra money on injectors with the 100-150shot of nitrous.
You might want to look at the kit here
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/NOSzle.html
2) I personally would not buy a nitrous system, because I prefer the power all the time. there are other mods that will be more beneficial in the long run. On top of that. I don't feel like going to some shop just to fill up bottles all the darn time. It's not worth my time, nor the cash in the long run.
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems. Why do people have problems with dry kits? Because they don't properly set up the vehicle. A dry kit relies on the fuel injectors to spray the right amount of at the right time. So you running a stock fuel pump and stock injectors is probably not a good idea. Can you get away with it maybe but why risk running lean.
I would suggest running at least a 190 fuel pump. A fuel pressure regulator with a guage so you can see exactly how much fuel pressure your running. I would also suggest 24lb injectors if your running more than 75hp shot.:2cents:
1) I have always disliked Nitrous, to me bottles are for babies. The other thing, I have seen several cars that have popped the intake or blown the engine with nitrous. I have seen that with both dry and wet nitrous systems.
2) Puddle-ing is caused by the manifold, but that is magnified by the type of system used to deliver the nitrous. Certain systems are more prone to enhance the puddleing effect due to where the nozzle is place in the intake system. There are systems however that does not puddle due to the design, regardless of the intake system.
Nitrous Oxide Systems that is owned by HOLLEY has the NOSzle system which basically has the nozzels sitting under the fuel injectors. It's a brillant idea.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/s08100NOS.jpg http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/sNOSzle.jpg
The benefit to this....... is that there is no PUDDLING at all because FORD has the injectors pointed to the back of the intake valve. So your not going to get the puddling effect, or the nitrous gas pooling in the intake because the nitrous and extra fuel is being sprayed directy at the intake valve. This design bypasses 99% of the intake system. You can easly add the 100 shot without issues and worries. The other benefit, is that the Noszle system also has a extra fuel supply line for each nozzle. thus, you don't need to upgrade the injectors because your not going to run lean. And you don't have to spend extra money on injectors with the 100-150shot of nitrous.
You might want to look at the kit here
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSNS/NOSzle.html
2) I personally would not buy a nitrous system, because I prefer the power all the time. there are other mods that will be more beneficial in the long run. On top of that. I don't feel like going to some shop just to fill up bottles all the darn time. It's not worth my time, nor the cash in the long run.
eillob
03-08-2005, 11:16 PM
Yeah thats very similar to a fogger set-up where the nitrous and additional fuel is injected right into each individual port. This is the best type of nitrous set up, makes the most power and like silverstangs said it eliminates the chance of puddling. Its also the most expensive.
Bottles are for babies? I guess thats funny to the guy who already has a blower. Everyone doesn't have 3 to 4K to drop on a supercharger. Believe it or not some of us have families and responsibilites that come before our vehicles. So for those of us who fall into that catagory nitrous is a good alternative.
As far as blowing an engine or head gasket. I know of just as many people who have done the same thing with a blower. Actually I know more people who have blown there motors with blowers. A good rule of thumb would be to change your head gaskets with good felpros if your considering a power adder, blower or nitrous.
Fill ups on your nitrous is depended upon how often you spray, how often you race and what size shot you run. If you hit the track regularly it will get expensive that ain't no lie. I keep two bottles. The 15lb bottle costs around $55 to $60 bucks depending where I go. The 10lb bottle is about $35 to $40. I don't hit the track very often maybe 3-4 times a year maybe so it just depends. Under normal conditions I can usually go about 2 months before having to refill.
Bottles are for babies? I guess thats funny to the guy who already has a blower. Everyone doesn't have 3 to 4K to drop on a supercharger. Believe it or not some of us have families and responsibilites that come before our vehicles. So for those of us who fall into that catagory nitrous is a good alternative.
As far as blowing an engine or head gasket. I know of just as many people who have done the same thing with a blower. Actually I know more people who have blown there motors with blowers. A good rule of thumb would be to change your head gaskets with good felpros if your considering a power adder, blower or nitrous.
Fill ups on your nitrous is depended upon how often you spray, how often you race and what size shot you run. If you hit the track regularly it will get expensive that ain't no lie. I keep two bottles. The 15lb bottle costs around $55 to $60 bucks depending where I go. The 10lb bottle is about $35 to $40. I don't hit the track very often maybe 3-4 times a year maybe so it just depends. Under normal conditions I can usually go about 2 months before having to refill.
silverstangs
03-09-2005, 12:02 AM
Yeah thats very similar to a fogger set-up where the nitrous and additional fuel is injected right into each individual port. This is the best type of nitrous set up, makes the most power and like silverstangs said it eliminates the chance of puddling. Its also the most expensive.
Bottles are for babies? I guess thats funny to the guy who already has a blower. Everyone doesn't have 3 to 4K to drop on a supercharger. Believe it or not some of us have families and responsibilites that come before our vehicles. So for those of us who fall into that catagory nitrous is a good alternative.
As far as blowing an engine or head gasket. I know of just as many people who have done the same thing with a blower. Actually I know more people who have blown there motors with blowers. A good rule of thumb would be to change your head gaskets with good felpros if your considering a power adder, blower or nitrous.
Yes it is similar to a fogger set-up, but unlike the fogger, this is as close to the heads as possible and right at the injectors. The foggers are a bit further up the runners from the injectors. Still effective thou.
As far as my comment on Bottles are for babies, I also have bills family and responsiblities that come before my car, and I am by no means rich. Everything that has been modified on my car has been paid for by other people. I pull wrenches for alot of people as side jobs, and that's how I make my extra cash, or get parts. I also build web sites on the side too which is extra cash that I use for my car. I don't spend any part of my paychecks from my real job on my cars. That goes straight to my bills and family.
I have seen a few people spend $100-300 on nitrous a month and do that for a few years, easly passing the price of a blower. Nitrous is very addicting, and some people can't stop using it and then they complain and whine that they are spending so much money on refilling nitrous. So basically in my eyes, they are acting like babies, hence, Bottles are for babies
I feel there are better things that people can get that will pay off in the long run, that is not as hard on the car over all and improves it. Just image what removing 100lbs of rotational mass from your driveline can do for performance. . Better yet, how about loosing 200~400 lbs from your car without stripping your car. It does not take much to make a 2004 Mustang GT that weights 3400lbs to weigh 3000lbs.
Yes I have seen blower pop head gaskets, that even happens with NA cars. But between a blown car versus a car on nitrous, blown cars are less likely to pop head gaskests and explode intakes.
Bottles are for babies? I guess thats funny to the guy who already has a blower. Everyone doesn't have 3 to 4K to drop on a supercharger. Believe it or not some of us have families and responsibilites that come before our vehicles. So for those of us who fall into that catagory nitrous is a good alternative.
As far as blowing an engine or head gasket. I know of just as many people who have done the same thing with a blower. Actually I know more people who have blown there motors with blowers. A good rule of thumb would be to change your head gaskets with good felpros if your considering a power adder, blower or nitrous.
Yes it is similar to a fogger set-up, but unlike the fogger, this is as close to the heads as possible and right at the injectors. The foggers are a bit further up the runners from the injectors. Still effective thou.
As far as my comment on Bottles are for babies, I also have bills family and responsiblities that come before my car, and I am by no means rich. Everything that has been modified on my car has been paid for by other people. I pull wrenches for alot of people as side jobs, and that's how I make my extra cash, or get parts. I also build web sites on the side too which is extra cash that I use for my car. I don't spend any part of my paychecks from my real job on my cars. That goes straight to my bills and family.
I have seen a few people spend $100-300 on nitrous a month and do that for a few years, easly passing the price of a blower. Nitrous is very addicting, and some people can't stop using it and then they complain and whine that they are spending so much money on refilling nitrous. So basically in my eyes, they are acting like babies, hence, Bottles are for babies
I feel there are better things that people can get that will pay off in the long run, that is not as hard on the car over all and improves it. Just image what removing 100lbs of rotational mass from your driveline can do for performance. . Better yet, how about loosing 200~400 lbs from your car without stripping your car. It does not take much to make a 2004 Mustang GT that weights 3400lbs to weigh 3000lbs.
Yes I have seen blower pop head gaskets, that even happens with NA cars. But between a blown car versus a car on nitrous, blown cars are less likely to pop head gaskests and explode intakes.
dampachi
03-09-2005, 12:47 AM
uhh...you might be putting down around 330rwhp.
eillob
03-09-2005, 06:28 AM
Well silverstangs like I said earlier everyone is entitled to there own opinions. I still don't care for your comment about bottles being for babies because you know a few people who whine about having to fill them. Nitrous can be addictive but I would like to point something out for the newbies.
Yor dependency on nitrous is directly related to how your car is built up. For example IMO nitous should be one of the last mods you do, why because the closer you are to being stock the more your gonna rely on nitrous. Do all of your bolts ons and get yor car as fast as you can get it first. It will keep your dependecy of nitrous too a minimum.
Yor dependency on nitrous is directly related to how your car is built up. For example IMO nitous should be one of the last mods you do, why because the closer you are to being stock the more your gonna rely on nitrous. Do all of your bolts ons and get yor car as fast as you can get it first. It will keep your dependecy of nitrous too a minimum.
SkylineUSA
03-09-2005, 06:30 AM
If you have your car tuned for N2O, I bet they win.
N2O is a great power adder, I will leave it at that.
N2O is a great power adder, I will leave it at that.
DetroitMuscle15
03-09-2005, 01:37 PM
Yes i was thinking of that and where can i get nitrous refilled????.....and how about how muhc is it to get refills for lets say a 10 lb bottle
noctorum
03-09-2005, 01:47 PM
http://nos.idealerquik.com/custinfo.asp
Prices vary place to place, but I've heard between 2 and 3$ per pound.
Prices vary place to place, but I've heard between 2 and 3$ per pound.
tturnpaw
03-09-2005, 06:35 PM
I would beg to differ. From the research I did when I considered spray, alot more problems come from dry kits then wet. Also, with recent growing technology from high end companies (such as NOS), wet-nozzles are more preventative to "puddle-ing" then the older wet kits were (which is why most shyed from them)
Ok does anyone care what will happen 2 his engine after a few shots???? Has anyone seen a nitrous valve?? Ya it like melts the valve. Mix that with inexperience (like me with nos) and u have a blown engine. If you want my opinion, dont buy nos, u will get addicted then convince urself that it wont effect the engine after a bottle and keep using it to merge onto the local freeway. Nos is 4 the track and im pretty sure u wont b there more than 2 times a year. Think ahead of urself, not behind. You should just stick to power adders that wont effect the engine in 10 years like a supercharger. But this is your money not mine, right?
Ok does anyone care what will happen 2 his engine after a few shots???? Has anyone seen a nitrous valve?? Ya it like melts the valve. Mix that with inexperience (like me with nos) and u have a blown engine. If you want my opinion, dont buy nos, u will get addicted then convince urself that it wont effect the engine after a bottle and keep using it to merge onto the local freeway. Nos is 4 the track and im pretty sure u wont b there more than 2 times a year. Think ahead of urself, not behind. You should just stick to power adders that wont effect the engine in 10 years like a supercharger. But this is your money not mine, right?
tturnpaw
03-09-2005, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=eillob]
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems.
[QUOTE=eillob]
Wow, educated. Im glad at least someone here clears that up 4 people who watch the Fast and the Furious 2 many times. This is true nitrous is not flammable. Till you add fuel and air to it. I have no clue how the different systems have problems (dry, wet, direct) i just know how power is added.
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems.
[QUOTE=eillob]
Wow, educated. Im glad at least someone here clears that up 4 people who watch the Fast and the Furious 2 many times. This is true nitrous is not flammable. Till you add fuel and air to it. I have no clue how the different systems have problems (dry, wet, direct) i just know how power is added.
tturnpaw
03-09-2005, 07:02 PM
Well silverstangs like I said earlier everyone is entitled to there own opinions. I still don't care for your comment about bottles being for babies because you know a few people who whine about having to fill them. Nitrous can be addictive but I would like to point something out for the newbies.
Sorry, dude. I definately dont have that much money to spend on cars, but if you dont have the money you shouldnt be into cars, or instead dont buy parts and wait till you have the money. That concerns responsiblilty. Im not even 18 and i know that. Why not add stuff like cam, intake, throttle body even. I mean if you dont have money, do you go out and buy a new $20,000 car? no, you dont. you be smart about it. like nitrous.
Sorry, dude. I definately dont have that much money to spend on cars, but if you dont have the money you shouldnt be into cars, or instead dont buy parts and wait till you have the money. That concerns responsiblilty. Im not even 18 and i know that. Why not add stuff like cam, intake, throttle body even. I mean if you dont have money, do you go out and buy a new $20,000 car? no, you dont. you be smart about it. like nitrous.
silverstangs
03-09-2005, 08:45 PM
Yor dependency on nitrous is directly related to how your car is built up. For example IMO nitous should be one of the last mods you do, why because the closer you are to being stock the more your gonna rely on nitrous. Do all of your bolts ons and get yor car as fast as you can get it first. It will keep your dependecy of nitrous too a minimum.
Thank you for pointing that out....... that is something that I have noticed with alot of cars.
There is another thing that I think is crazy, which is seeing people pushing 500~600hp and still using stock puny brakes....
Thank you for pointing that out....... that is something that I have noticed with alot of cars.
There is another thing that I think is crazy, which is seeing people pushing 500~600hp and still using stock puny brakes....
noctorum
03-09-2005, 08:49 PM
[QUOTE=eillob]
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems.
[QUOTE=eillob]
Wow, educated. Im glad at least someone here clears that up 4 people who watch the Fast and the Furious 2 many times. This is true nitrous is not flammable. Till you add fuel and air to it. I have no clue how the different systems have problems (dry, wet, direct) i just know how power is added.
For the record, its flammable, but not explosive, like oxygen :)
Nitrous by itself is not flammable, and if installed correctly will present no problems.
[QUOTE=eillob]
Wow, educated. Im glad at least someone here clears that up 4 people who watch the Fast and the Furious 2 many times. This is true nitrous is not flammable. Till you add fuel and air to it. I have no clue how the different systems have problems (dry, wet, direct) i just know how power is added.
For the record, its flammable, but not explosive, like oxygen :)
eillob
03-09-2005, 10:02 PM
For the record, its flammable, but not explosive, like oxygen :)
How is something flammable not explosive?
As far as nitrous goes you need to do a little more homework because you are incorrect, nitrous is not flammable. Nitrous makes power by allowing you burn more fuel. Im gonna oversimplify this but this is how it works. Nitrous simply releases more oxygen to the combustion chamber, which intern allows you to be able to burn the additonal fuel provided by your system hense making more power. More oxygen + More fuel = More power, thats it. The key is to get this mixture right, not enough fuel and you will damage your motor. The same is true of a supercharger. Both of these power adders in a sense do the same thing. One does it chemically the other does it manually. If you don't bring enough fuel too the table with either you will damage your motor its that simple.
How is something flammable not explosive?
As far as nitrous goes you need to do a little more homework because you are incorrect, nitrous is not flammable. Nitrous makes power by allowing you burn more fuel. Im gonna oversimplify this but this is how it works. Nitrous simply releases more oxygen to the combustion chamber, which intern allows you to be able to burn the additonal fuel provided by your system hense making more power. More oxygen + More fuel = More power, thats it. The key is to get this mixture right, not enough fuel and you will damage your motor. The same is true of a supercharger. Both of these power adders in a sense do the same thing. One does it chemically the other does it manually. If you don't bring enough fuel too the table with either you will damage your motor its that simple.
eillob
03-09-2005, 10:09 PM
Thank you for pointing that out....... that is something that I have noticed with alot of cars.
There is another thing that I think is crazy, which is seeing people pushing 500~600hp and still using stock puny brakes....
Couldn't agree with you more. As HP increases so should your ability to control it. Suspension, brakes, tires are all things that should also be upgraded when your climbing that HP ladder.
There is another thing that I think is crazy, which is seeing people pushing 500~600hp and still using stock puny brakes....
Couldn't agree with you more. As HP increases so should your ability to control it. Suspension, brakes, tires are all things that should also be upgraded when your climbing that HP ladder.
GTStang
03-09-2005, 10:25 PM
Wow that amount of people do not understand nitrous is crazy..
Also in the quest for better ET's I can't believe how much you guys overlook the suspension the rear set-up in particular.
Also in the quest for better ET's I can't believe how much you guys overlook the suspension the rear set-up in particular.
eillob
03-09-2005, 10:34 PM
Yeah I forgot to mention suspension, however I just got my upper and lower control arms today. Plus I also picked up a set of Lakewood traction bars. Hope to have it all on by the weekend.
silverstangs
03-09-2005, 10:45 PM
Wow that amount of people do not understand nitrous is crazy..
Also in the quest for better ET's I can't believe how much you guys overlook the suspension the rear set-up in particular.
It was not over looked but meantioned in a different thread.
Also in the quest for better ET's I can't believe how much you guys overlook the suspension the rear set-up in particular.
It was not over looked but meantioned in a different thread.
-Jayson-
03-10-2005, 11:27 AM
lol i know DetroitMuscle15 is gonna blow up his new stang if he ever gets it.
DetroitMuscle15
03-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Nah player.........If i get Nitrous im gonna only use it sparingly because the nearest refill shop is 30 miles away...so i guess i would use it for "emergency" situations
HighRev87
03-10-2005, 08:52 PM
Nah player.........If i get Nitrous im gonna only use it sparingly because the nearest refill shop is 30 miles away...so i guess i would use it for "emergency" situations
Like losing to a turbo echo...zing!
Like losing to a turbo echo...zing!
tturnpaw
03-10-2005, 09:58 PM
How is something flammable not explosive?
As far as nitrous goes you need to do a little more homework because you are incorrect, nitrous is not flammable. Nitrous makes power by allowing you burn more fuel. Im gonna oversimplify this but this is how it works. Nitrous simply releases more oxygen to the combustion chamber, which intern allows you to be able to burn the additonal fuel provided by your system hense making more power. More oxygen + More fuel = More power, thats it. The key is to get this mixture right, not enough fuel and you will damage your motor. The same is true of a supercharger.
Im just happy someone here wants 2 sit and think about it 4 a sec or more. Anything will explode under pressure. i wish someone could realize that. Oxygen is not comparable 2 nitrous in any way. Oxygen IS flammable and explosive and explodes with flame. Nitrous just explodes because of pressure. nitrous makes the air dense (as if this hasnt been said already) and cools the fuel to make a compact dense charge in a small area. thus more combustion per area.
As far as nitrous goes you need to do a little more homework because you are incorrect, nitrous is not flammable. Nitrous makes power by allowing you burn more fuel. Im gonna oversimplify this but this is how it works. Nitrous simply releases more oxygen to the combustion chamber, which intern allows you to be able to burn the additonal fuel provided by your system hense making more power. More oxygen + More fuel = More power, thats it. The key is to get this mixture right, not enough fuel and you will damage your motor. The same is true of a supercharger.
Im just happy someone here wants 2 sit and think about it 4 a sec or more. Anything will explode under pressure. i wish someone could realize that. Oxygen is not comparable 2 nitrous in any way. Oxygen IS flammable and explosive and explodes with flame. Nitrous just explodes because of pressure. nitrous makes the air dense (as if this hasnt been said already) and cools the fuel to make a compact dense charge in a small area. thus more combustion per area.
ramon12
03-10-2005, 11:43 PM
Im just happy someone here wants 2 sit and think about it 4 a sec or more. Anything will explode under pressure. i wish someone could realize that. Oxygen is not comparable 2 nitrous in any way. Oxygen IS flammable and explosive and explodes with flame. Nitrous just explodes because of pressure. nitrous makes the air dense (as if this hasnt been said already) and cools the fuel to make a compact dense charge in a small area. thus more combustion per area.
nitrous facts:
-at 572 degrees F it breaks down from nitrous oxide into a gaseous mixture of 66% nitrogen and 33% oxygen
-when nitrous oxide is pressurized and and injected into an intake manifold, it changes from a liquid into a gas. This process lowers the temperature of the gas to -127 degrees F, which greatly lowers intake temperatures. every 10 degree F reduction in temperature will create a 1% increase in power
-the nitrogen released from the reaction dampens the cylinder pressures, leading to a more controlled combustion cycle
nitrous doesn't 'make' the air dense, it breaks down INTO oxygen and nitrogen at 572 degrees, which increases the amount of air.
nitrous facts:
-at 572 degrees F it breaks down from nitrous oxide into a gaseous mixture of 66% nitrogen and 33% oxygen
-when nitrous oxide is pressurized and and injected into an intake manifold, it changes from a liquid into a gas. This process lowers the temperature of the gas to -127 degrees F, which greatly lowers intake temperatures. every 10 degree F reduction in temperature will create a 1% increase in power
-the nitrogen released from the reaction dampens the cylinder pressures, leading to a more controlled combustion cycle
nitrous doesn't 'make' the air dense, it breaks down INTO oxygen and nitrogen at 572 degrees, which increases the amount of air.
dampachi
03-11-2005, 03:03 PM
Well...like I always say...http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/140408nitrous.JPG
eillob
03-12-2005, 02:46 AM
And performance is the addiction. If your gonna hate one power adder, hate them all.
SkylineUSA
03-12-2005, 04:16 AM
And performance is the addiction. If your gonna hate one power adder, hate them all.
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http://www.modularfords.com/forums/images/smilies/beerchug.gif
dampachi
03-12-2005, 02:20 PM
I don't hate all power adders. I hate power adders that you have to refill, are illegal to use on the street, and has power that isn't always there.
eillob
03-12-2005, 07:31 PM
I don't hate all power adders. I hate power adders that you have to refill, are illegal to use on the street, and has power that isn't always there.
Every power adder be it nitrous or a supercharger has its place. This one size fits all type mentallity is getting way old. If I had a mod motor than I myself would probably lean toward a supercharger, in fact theres no way I would own one without it. The aftermarket for the mod motor just isn't there like it is for the 5.0 so your options are pretty cut and dry, slap on a supercharger get a custom tune and an after cat and you can put out great numbers all day.
You have to remember we are talking about two totally different animals here. I for one would rather rather drop 5K on a stroker verses a blower first. Later I can add a little juice and I can still run very impressive numbers on or off the bottle. And as far a nitrous being illegal on the street, maybe it is where you live but it isn't here.
And if you wanna get technical, off road h-pipes are illegal on the steet too, does that mean you aren't gonna put run one. Its an addiction man, you get your fix your way and Ill get mine my way.
Every power adder be it nitrous or a supercharger has its place. This one size fits all type mentallity is getting way old. If I had a mod motor than I myself would probably lean toward a supercharger, in fact theres no way I would own one without it. The aftermarket for the mod motor just isn't there like it is for the 5.0 so your options are pretty cut and dry, slap on a supercharger get a custom tune and an after cat and you can put out great numbers all day.
You have to remember we are talking about two totally different animals here. I for one would rather rather drop 5K on a stroker verses a blower first. Later I can add a little juice and I can still run very impressive numbers on or off the bottle. And as far a nitrous being illegal on the street, maybe it is where you live but it isn't here.
And if you wanna get technical, off road h-pipes are illegal on the steet too, does that mean you aren't gonna put run one. Its an addiction man, you get your fix your way and Ill get mine my way.
dampachi
03-14-2005, 12:40 AM
Where do you live? I thought it was illegal in any state to have nitrous armed on public streets?
eillob
03-14-2005, 06:27 AM
Where do you live? I thought it was illegal in any state to have nitrous armed on public streets?
St. Louis
St. Louis
Tru Mach1Racer
03-16-2005, 08:17 PM
St. Louis
You don't live to far from a Seven Day Adventus church. I use to live on Old Halls Ferry and Parker.
You don't live to far from a Seven Day Adventus church. I use to live on Old Halls Ferry and Parker.
eillob
03-16-2005, 09:36 PM
You don't live to far from a Seven Day Adventus church. I use to live on Old Halls Ferry and Parker.
Your right. Well have to hook up.
Your right. Well have to hook up.
HighRev87
03-16-2005, 09:50 PM
St. Louis
You would spray in front of a cop? If it's legal, they would still catch you on something...reckless driving, ect...
You would spray in front of a cop? If it's legal, they would still catch you on something...reckless driving, ect...
Tru Mach1Racer
03-16-2005, 10:09 PM
You would spray in front of a cop? If it's legal, they would still catch you on something...reckless driving, ect...
In STL (St. Louis North County) if you spray on a cop, all you need to do is hit 270 West and do about over the speed limit and take one of the many exits.
120 mph = 2 miles an min = 3 exits = Nice story to tell while you shoot pool at Action Billards of 270 and 67 North. And I have plenty stories to tell with no point on my driving record.
In STL (St. Louis North County) if you spray on a cop, all you need to do is hit 270 West and do about over the speed limit and take one of the many exits.
120 mph = 2 miles an min = 3 exits = Nice story to tell while you shoot pool at Action Billards of 270 and 67 North. And I have plenty stories to tell with no point on my driving record.
eillob
03-16-2005, 11:01 PM
You would spray in front of a cop? If it's legal, they would still catch you on something...reckless driving, ect...
Your probably right. I don't wanna encourage them to follow me around, so althought legal I don't think it would be the smart thing to do.
Your probably right. I don't wanna encourage them to follow me around, so althought legal I don't think it would be the smart thing to do.
eillob
03-16-2005, 11:06 PM
In STL (St. Louis North County) if you spray on a cop, all you need to do is hit 270 West and do about over the speed limit and take one of the many exits.
120 mph = 2 miles an min = 3 exits = Nice story to tell while you shoot pool at Action Billards of 270 and 67 North. And I have plenty stories to tell with no point on my driving record.
I hope you don't really believe that. Your chances aren't good regarldless of how fast your car is. One thing you will never be faster than is the radio.
120 mph = 2 miles an min = 3 exits = Nice story to tell while you shoot pool at Action Billards of 270 and 67 North. And I have plenty stories to tell with no point on my driving record.
I hope you don't really believe that. Your chances aren't good regarldless of how fast your car is. One thing you will never be faster than is the radio.
Tru Mach1Racer
03-16-2005, 11:10 PM
I hope you don't really believe that. Your chances aren't good regarldless of how fast your car is. One thing you will never be faster than is the radio.
When I was younger I did ( I ran for real ), but know I just rev my pipes on the street.
When I was younger I did ( I ran for real ), but know I just rev my pipes on the street.
GTStang
03-17-2005, 12:48 AM
Having nitrous in your vehicle is not illegal in any state(old wise tale). Each state has it's own set of rules, you have to be aware of is it is consider transporting a HAZMAT in some states. In these states you have to goto your DMV/RMV and fill out a HAZMAT form to be approved to carry nitrous oxide in your vehicle. On the form one of the reason for carry nitrous oxide is Racing it says it right on the form.
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