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BMW 130i VS Skyline Coupe GT350


fairladyz_gt-r
03-02-2005, 03:48 AM
I know you guys must think i am out of my mind, but if u look closely is actully quite a good one, since with the weight ration 2 of them is around the same, and also their nur lap time is similar, and also the cost (Japan at least) 130i should be around 4,000,000yen while the GT350 are around 3,780,000. soo post away!

PS. think about this, you live in a country where a liter of petrol cost around 1USD and your paking space are extreamly limited!, also you can only afford parking for 1 car!

gti1689
03-02-2005, 06:49 AM
go for the gt350. classic looks, awesome engine, u can't go wrong.

Jimster
03-02-2005, 04:43 PM
130i all the way!!!! The 1 Series is BMW's best chassis yet (OK, so I hear the E90's supposed to be even better than near-perfection, but I'll give you the verdict on that soon). I drove a 120d and while I was less stoked by the power on tap (But blown away by the torque, being a diesel!!), it is certainly more fun than the 350Z, hence'll be better than the Skyline as well.

Can't forget the new 3.0 Inline Six either, 190 Kw means that the 1 series chassis'll get the engine it always deserved.


Obviously the 1 series is more practical around town and has just as much luxury equipment as a Skyline, so I see no reason to take the Skyline over the 130i, sorry!

gti1689
03-02-2005, 05:13 PM
that's cool. the new bmw 1-series shold be a pretty decent drive. suspension should be excellent, and the engine(s) should be pretty good. over in europe, the diesel would make the most sense, but anywhere else i'd go for the big six.

thats all nice, but you should decide if u would feel comfortable driving around in a hippo...:)

1-series:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/gti_1689/2808041_001.jpg
hippo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/gti_1689/hippopotamus.jpg


anyone see the similarity? :)

crayzayjay
03-02-2005, 07:27 PM
^ rofl

and Jimmy, i have to say, i'm quite surprised to hear you say that the 120d is more fun than the 350Z!!

DinanM3_S2
03-02-2005, 09:08 PM
haha, i might turn Jimster into a BMW guy yet :)

I think the new 255hp BMW 3.0L is going to be amazing. Can't wait to try it out in the E90 330i in a few months. BMW should regain its stranglehold over the sports sedan, and maybe even the hatch market.

Honestly im a little supprised to hear a Diesel BMW is more fun then the 350z, but i'll go with it out of love of BMW.

Jimster
03-02-2005, 09:45 PM
^ rofl

and Jimmy, i have to say, i'm quite surprised to hear you say that the 120d is more fun than the 350Z!!

Yah, I worded that badly, I never meant more fun overall. I simply meant that the chassis alone was better than the 350Z, the Z is more fun overall, with it's excellent VQ35 and 280 bhp, but give the 1 Series more power and it'd certainly be more fun than a 350Z. The 3.0 is just what the chassis is crying out for, even the 2.2 I6 isn't enough.

crayzayjay
03-03-2005, 03:39 AM
Sweet. Imagine what the M will be like :D

gti1689
03-03-2005, 05:23 AM
damn, so i guess no one sees the similarity?!?! :(

o well, m 1-series would be sweet.

Speedsteve
03-03-2005, 06:24 AM
but give the 1 Series more power and it'd certainly be more fun than a 350Z.

In Germany? Never!!! The BMW 120i ( 150hp ) cost from 24.000 with a Basisequipment ( air condition alone cost in Germany for this Car 1970 US $ ). The 350Z ( 280hp ), with a better Equipment, cost 35.000 Euro - AND drive in a substantially higher Class! Image is important!
BMW want to make 6 cylinders with approximately 250hp but the Price ....... :eek7:
The BMW is a good Car - BUT ( of the German market! ) not better then the Nissan 350Z! Not in the Price, not in the Road Performances, not in the Quality, not in the Driving Fun and not in the marvelous Sound!
A comparison between both cars is IN GERMANY impossible. A good comparison is for example the BMW and the little Audi A3, VW Golf and Ford Focus. In these comparisons the BMW can wins. But not always!

Jimster
03-03-2005, 06:33 AM
I was simply comparing the chassis' of the two cars, I am quite aware that they are a world apart and I do believe that to punt around a track, (considering nothing else, such as value or styling etc.), that a 130i is a more promising prospect than a V35 Skyline/350Z.


It's also worthy to note that the poster lives in Asia, where driving a European car is classy and wins a lot of respect (That's what friends tell me, they also say most people who drive high performance Japanese cars aren't seen in a good light there, they are seen as sort of car-nerds or "otaku," sort of like how Dragonball Z enthusiasts are seen in the Western world almost, wins respect, but only from those who appreciate a good Jap performance car)*



*This may or may not be exaggerated, it's just going on what friends in Japan and Singapore among other places have told me, probably different in Thailand, but I know of no-one there.

Speedsteve
03-03-2005, 03:03 PM
I was simply comparing the chassis' of the two cars, I am quite aware that they are a world apart

I do not believe that!

It's also worthy to note that the poster lives in Asia, where driving a European car is classy and wins a lot of respect (That's what friends tell me, they also say most people who drive high performance Japanese cars aren't seen in a good light there, they are seen as sort of car-nerds or "otaku," sort of like how Dragonball Z enthusiasts are seen in the Western world almost, wins respect, but only from those who appreciate a good Jap performance car)

If it its image / respect is important - O.K.!

Edit: the New BMW 130i ( approximately September 2005 )

http://www.classicdriver.com/de/magazine/3300.asp?id=2729

Test between Z350, Alfa GT, Mazda RX-8 and Audi TT - the Winner is :naughty:

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=6138

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Rakshas
03-05-2005, 12:56 AM
I do not believe that!



If it its image / respect is important - O.K.!

Edit: the New BMW 130i ( approximately September 2005 )

http://www.classicdriver.com/de/magazine/3300.asp?id=2729

Test between Z350, Alfa GT, Mazda RX-8 and Audi TT - the Winner is :naughty:

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=6138

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Dude, just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it any less true.

The 1 is a smaller, lighter, car, The 350z is actualy considered heavy for it's target group and it has a tendency to understeer.

Speedsteve
03-05-2005, 07:19 AM
The 1 is a smaller, lighter, car, The 350z is actualy considered heavy

BMW 120i - 2976lbs - 150hp = 19,84lbs/hp

Nissan 350Z - 3769lbs - 280hp = 13,46lbs/hp

The new BMW 130 - more Power AAAAAAAND guaranteed more weights! ( I have unfortunately no data of the new model! )

and it has a tendency to understeer.

Understeer - I hate it! :eek7: But the BMW 120i or the Porsche 911 have the same problem!

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=6888&artikel_seite=2

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=3427&artikel_seite=4

you can translate German with

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

Understeer in German that is - "Untersteuerer" oder "Untersteuern"

Dude, just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it any less true.

Autsch, that hurts me! :)

Target group? Which Target Group? BMW says the 120 is the best Car in the German "Golf-Class" ( Compact Cars )! In this Class you can find the VW Golf, Opel Astra, Ford Focus and so on. The Nissan 350Z does not fit into this Target Group!!!

VW Golf FSI ( 150hp ) - 2738lbs

Opel Astra 2.0 Turbo ( 170hp ) - 2711lbs

Ford Focus 2.0 ( 145hp ) - 2881lbs

BMW 120i ( 150hp ) - 2976lbs

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porscheguy9999
03-06-2005, 01:25 AM
^^ Dont forget the:

Audi A3 1.6 FSI (115 hp)
Mini Cooper S (170 hp)
Mercedes A170 (116 hp)
Renault Megane 1.6 (115hp)
Citroen 1.6 (107hp)

Those seem to be popular Euro-hatches.

Speedsteve
03-06-2005, 08:07 AM
^^ Dont forget the:

I wrote "VW Golf, Opel Astra, Ford Focus AND SO ON." :smokin:
But you are right! This is the Class for the BMW and in this Class the BMW is expensive, heavy, the quality is O.K. and the little Engine is ..........
German Car Magazine says - in this category the BMW 120i is well - but nonrevolutionary! In the most Test is the BMW for the second Place good enough!

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Rakshas
03-06-2005, 08:13 PM
The new BMW 130 - more Power AAAAAAAND guaranteed more weights! ( I have unfortunately no data of the new model! )

Are you sure about that? It is the new Magnesium block engine, I doubt it will be much heavier.


Understeer - I hate it! :eek7: But the BMW 120i or the Porsche 911 have the same problem!

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=6888&artikel_seite=2

http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=3427&artikel_seite=4

you can translate German with

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

Understeer in German that is - "Untersteuerer" oder "Untersteuern"

According to the first article, understeer in the 120 is extremely neutrally diminshed.

Compared to the 350z's understeer
But you push it a little bit harder and you have - bang! - sudden understeer. And it is sudden.
350z Review (http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_1839/article.html?popularArticle)


Target group? Which Target Group? BMW says the 120 is the best Car in the German "Golf-Class" ( Compact Cars )! In this Class you can find the VW Golf, Opel Astra, Ford Focus and so on. The Nissan 350Z does not fit into this Target Group!!!

VW Golf FSI ( 150hp ) - 2738lbs

Opel Astra 2.0 Turbo ( 170hp ) - 2711lbs

Ford Focus 2.0 ( 145hp ) - 2881lbs

BMW 120i ( 150hp ) - 2976lbs

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Yeah, that is the 120's target group. The 350Z competes with other 2 seater sports cars around 30-40k.

This includes the
BMW Z4 (2998lbs)
Honda S2000 (2835 lbs)
Porsche Boxster (2965 lbs)
SLK3509 (3231 lbs)

The 350S MT ranges from 3188 to 3299, with the exception of the Mercedes is 200 lbs heaver than any of it's rivals, and as much as 465 lbs heavier than the S2000.

Speedsteve
03-07-2005, 06:22 AM
Are you sure about that? It is the new Magnesium block engine, I doubt it will be much heavier.


According to the first article, understeer in the 120 is extremely neutrally diminshed.

Compared to the 350z's understeer

350z Review (http://www.autospeed.com.au/cms/A_1839/article.html?popularArticle)


Oh, this ( old, japanese Model and tested in Australia ) Test is very bad! :disappoin
We have many Test and Comparison Test in Germany from this Car and the Result is totally different. Has the 2004/2005 Nissan 350Z for Europe or Germany a other Setup? Other Tires? Other shock absorbers and anti-roll bar? Is this the Track-Version ( is the standard version in Germany ) from the 350Z?
I cannot understand this result! :disappoin
The Nissan 350Z is the FIRST accepted 2 seater sports cars from Japan in Germany!
On a German Test Track the 350Z was 1.68sec. faster than the Audi TT 3.2V6 Quattro with DSG. And the Audi TT has a very good reputation in this Sport Car Class! The Chrysler Crossfire and other Cars in this Class are clearly slower.

Car and Driver - Nissan 350Z

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2032&page_number=2

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1858&page_number=3

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=1938&page_number=5

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Rakshas
03-07-2005, 06:26 PM
Oh, this ( old, japanese Model and tested in Australia ) Test is very bad! :disappoin
We have many Test and Comparison Test in Germany from this Car and the Result is totally different. Has the 2004/2005 Nissan 350Z for Europe or Germany a other Setup? Other Tires? Other shock absorbers and anti-roll bar? Is this the Track-Version ( is the standard version in Germany ) from the 350Z?
I cannot understand this result! :disappoin
The Nissan 350Z is the FIRST accepted 2 seater sports cars from Japan in Germany!
On a German Test Track the 350Z was 1.68sec. faster than the Audi TT 3.2V6 Quattro with DSG. And the Audi TT has a very good reputation in this Sport Car Class! The Chrysler Crossfire and other Cars in this Class are clearly slower.

Car and Driver - Nissan 350Z

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2032&page_number=2

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1858&page_number=3

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=1938&page_number=5

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I was a member of a large 350 z site for a while and understeer is one of the Z's main handling problems.

In America, Nissan barely changed anything to the car's mechanics over the the years.

It still has tire feathering(problems with the front suspension)
Transmissions are incredibly bad (some Z's are on their 3rd)
Rear axles have problems.

The track has the brembo brakes and rays wheels, other than that it is the same as a perfomance model(technically).

You can remedy the problem with stiffer swaybars, but stock it does understeer quite a bit.

Speedsteve
03-08-2005, 05:57 AM
I was a member of a large 350 z site for a while and understeer is one of the Z's main handling problems.

In America, Nissan barely changed anything to the car's mechanics over the the years.

It still has tire feathering(problems with the front suspension)
Transmissions are incredibly bad (some Z's are on their 3rd)
Rear axles have problems.

The track has the brembo brakes and rays wheels, other than that it is the same as a perfomance model(technically).

You can remedy the problem with stiffer swaybars, but stock it does understeer quite a bit.

Thanks for the information! The "Z" is new on the German Market and we have no longterm Experiences. Also for the new BMW these information is missing.

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