chevy engine in a ford...

so ive known this goes on for a while but it still makes me mad... i was watching this auto auction on tv and there selling old cars, some were fords from the 1940s. there were like 3 or 4 of them. every one had a chevy LT-1 in it... that pisses me off, what car guy in there right mind would do that. im thinkin it must be cheaper.

No it's that they realized that chevy sb are far superior to ford sb, I'm just kidding, yeah i have no idea why the hell someone would put a chevy engine into a stang or vice versa.

I seen that too, It irks me when they do that. I remember about a year ago, a guy wanted to "hangout" with me and some of my friends. He had a 87 Fox body with a Chevy 350 in it. We basically asked him very politely to go find another group to "hangout" with. We run into him every now and then, he used to bad mouth us, but every time he tried, and other "Stangers" found out he had a Chevy engine, he would get dogged. Last I heard, he moved to Dallas TX. I have not seen him in about 4 months.

Well that's not very nice, silverstangs. :(

A car is a car. Hell, I am building a GTR with a Ford engine, most of the guys here can't wait til I get it done.

If there is a guy that has built a Mustang with a 350, props to him, that is COOL. I would not drive it, but its still cool.

Well that's not very nice, silverstangs. :(

This mix and match crap is sloppy, not needed, not traditional and cheapens the Mustang. There is enough parts from Ford and the aftermarket to power any Mustang. 1 in 9 modified cars in North America is a MUSTANG. If your gonna bastardize a Mustang, then you might as well drop in FWD and some Mitsubishi/Toyota/Honda/Subaru/Nissan engine and a skirt.

haha. maybe. but he might have been a nice guy and stuff.

not traditional? people have been swaping engine from chevy's and fords for YEARS

ive seen a GN motor in a Fox body kill every stang st a track before. the goal is power. Who cares what motor is used?

thats liek making fun of a guy that puts a ford 302 in a miata or a chevy 350 in a rx-7 and kills you at the track, then bitching cuz its not a real mazda. WHO CARES?! point is he killed your ass.

its retarded... thats the point. you just dont put a chevy motor in a ford or vice versa.

haha. maybe. but he might have been a nice guy and stuff.


Yeah, I didn't say he was not nice..

But when a person keeps on boasting that Ford engines are crap and that Chevy makes a better engine, and then decides he wants to hang out with "Mustang" guys... while driving a Mustang powered by a Chevy, he is gonna get crap. None of the guys wanted to be associated with him, and everyone dropped hints that he needs to leave.

And yes I seen lots of Rods out there with SBC's and that's find and dandy, but not what I personally would do. I prefer the same company with parts from the same company, unless you can't come up with the parts anywhere.

agreed. i think it has to do with cost. thats the reason you see so many late model racers that run chevys. i know that for a fact. but trying to tell a ford guy that ford makes shitty engines... not gonna work lol, tell me a 350 is more powerful than a 351c...

not traditional? people have been swaping engine from chevy's and fords for YEARS

ive seen a GN motor in a Fox body kill every stang st a track before. the goal is power. Who cares what motor is used?

thats liek making fun of a guy that puts a ford 302 in a miata or a chevy 350 in a rx-7 and kills you at the track, then bitching cuz its not a real mazda. WHO CARES?! point is he killed your ass.


Yeah and understand your point, if you don't care about anything but power, and it's easy for you do "swap" to another brand, then that's fine.
It's almost like calling a cut airbox a mod, or removing the air silencer a mod, It's still all bullchite.

A car is a car. Hell, I am building a GTR with a Ford engine, most of the guys here can't wait til I get it done.

If there is a guy that has built a Mustang with a 350, props to him, that is COOL. I would not drive it, but its still cool.
OT here, but hows that project coming? Have not heard about it in some time.

but anyway, a lot of the old school "hotrod" guys have been putting Chevy motors in old Ford cars for a long time now. I guess it's the "hotord" thing to do.

well i think i understand why they do it... cost, but i still couldnt bring myself to do that it just doesnt seem right to me.

Cost does appear to be the motivator, but my thing, don't expect Hard Core Ford guys to "Like" a Ford powered by a Chevy.

I wouldn't ever put a Chevy into a Ford or vise versa. I am a little more forgiving if one company ownes another, for instance Ford owns Mazda, so I could forgive a 302 dropped into a Miata, since the Miata is a Ford.

It all depends on the motive. People put LS1s in RX7s because lots of those turbo rotarys go boom. Leaving lots of open engine bays. Since LS1s are fairly reliable, have lots of power, and help even out the RX7..it's easy to see why it gets swapped in. A 302 into a Miata is like an SR20 into a Datsun. Ford owns Mazda, Nissan owned Datsun. But I still don't understand why 350s get swapped into 30s ford coupes and other ford hot rods. I'd take an LS1 swapped RX7, an SR20'd Datsun, or hell..even a 302 swapped Miata. But you better believe I'll walk right past a 350 in a ford hotrod. And it's not that I hate chevy. I love 1st gen camaros and 70 chevelles. It's just...wrong.

so then its ok to drop a toyota supra motor in a cavalier


they own each other

The technique of dropping a Chevy motor into old Ford's came from:

#1 Flathead Ford V8's what came in them until the 50's are not cheap to build and are not very reliable

#2 The fact that you could build a carbed Chevy motor a lot cheaper than you could a Ford.

But when you start talking about LT-1/LS-1 it starts to make less sense.

What makes no sense at all is dropping a SBC into a Fox-body Stang. there is not one good reason to do this with 302/351W being a dime a dozen. Your just asking for shit here.

OT here, but hows that project coming? Have not heard about it in some time.

but anyway, a lot of the old school "hotrod" guys have been putting Chevy motors in old Ford cars for a long time now. I guess it's the "hotord" thing to do.

Slow, I am still getting my parts in. Just picked up an F cam, and RR. I am doing it on a budget, so I just pick up parts when I can. I did tell you guys I am going blow through, that should be a hoot:D

Its not that FORD makes crappy engines, its that FORD has engineered a crap head! Chevy heads are a lot better in design, and if you look at the flow rates, that tells the whole story, that and the always use 350, while we try to use a 302 does not help. Are the Chevy's better built, I would say that is a big NO!, Fords are better built, other than the heads.

You guys do know the FORD 302 is a Chevy engine:D

umm well if money is the issue they shouldnt even bother. let them stick to their own kind, like a nova or whatever. sad thing is that they realize that if they are seen in a mustang then people will think they are cool right off the bat, rather than if they are seen in a nova and noone gives a rats ass. if they cant afford ford let them buy a pos chevy!

It all depends on the motive. People put LS1s in RX7s because lots of those turbo rotarys go boom. Leaving lots of open engine bays. Since LS1s are fairly reliable, have lots of power, and help even out the RX7..it's easy to see why it gets swapped in. A 302 into a Miata is like an SR20 into a Datsun. Ford owns Mazda, Nissan owned Datsun. But I still don't understand why 350s get swapped into 30s ford coupes and other ford hot rods. I'd take an LS1 swapped RX7, an SR20'd Datsun, or hell..even a 302 swapped Miata. But you better believe I'll walk right past a 350 in a ford hotrod. And it's not that I hate chevy. I love 1st gen camaros and 70 chevelles. It's just...wrong.

An LS1 in a RX-7 should piss you off because thats a chevy engine.

An LS1 in a RX-7 should piss you off because thats a chevy engine.

I don't think so, Tim.

That would be awesome combo!

skylines fucking sig reads like a museum

skylines fucking sig reads like a museum

Well, there would be more, but I do not have the cash right now:D

I am looking to sell the LX, Jag, and the GTSt so we can get a 2005 or 2006 Mustang.

What makes no sense at all is dropping a SBC into a Fox-body Stang. there is not one good reason to do this with 302/351W being a dime a dozen. Your just asking for shit here.


unless your motor blows, your low on money and your good a fabricating (or a friend is) and you happen to have a chevy motor around. Then its just a "hmmm that would an be interesting swap" project.

umm well if money is the issue they shouldnt even bother. let them stick to their own kind, like a nova or whatever. sad thing is that they realize that if they are seen in a mustang then people will think they are cool right off the bat, rather than if they are seen in a nova and noone gives a rats ass. if they cant afford ford let them buy a pos chevy!

I bet you my pos chevy will kill your stang, & my buddy has a 70 nova with a 454 with a blower and trust me when he goes to the races everyone gives him plenty props

unless your motor blows, your low on money and your good a fabricating (or a friend is) and you happen to have a chevy motor around. Then its just a "hmmm that would an be interesting swap" project.

Still no excuse... you could get a ford 302 cheap enough, low on money but good fabricator and friend has chevy engine... try selling the chevy engine saving money on materials and time needed for customization. Hmmmm let's make more work and spend more money when there is no need.

This is totally different from LS1's in RX-7's and such where those actually have a good reason.

Its not that FORD makes crappy engines, its that FORD has engineered a crap head! Chevy heads are a lot better in design, and if you look at the flow rates, that tells the whole story, that and the always use 350, while we try to use a 302 does not help. Are the Chevy's better built, I would say that is a big NO!, Fords are better built, other than the heads.

Maybe stock for stock but I would bet any equal level aftermarket SBF head vs aftermarket SBC head are just about the same(sometimes chevy wins, sometimes ford) and most of the time these hot-rods wit Chevy engines don't have stock cast iron units anyway!

I bet you my pos chevy will kill your stang, & my buddy has a 70 nova with a 454 with a blower and trust me when he goes to the races everyone gives him plenty props

My E-Penis is so much bigger than yours :rolleyes:

umm cleveland heads flow way better than 350 heads. u said the 302 is a chevy engine... i didnt know that, but did u know that every nascar engine is a ford engine design.

Maybe stock for stock but I would bet any equal level aftermarket SBF head vs aftermarket SBC head are just about the same(sometimes chevy wins, sometimes ford) and most of the time these hot-rods wit Chevy engines don't have stock cast iron units anyway!

Yes, I was refering to stock heads. Not aftermarket, although I still think they have us because of the runner placements. What the hell was Ford thinking, oh ya, its a chevy design....my bad

umm cleveland heads flow way better than 350 heads. u said the 302 is a chevy engine... i didnt know that, but did u know that every nascar engine is a ford engine design.

You think? The port velocity on my Boss 302 is so poor becuase of the size of the ports, yes it can move some volume, but that is not the whole story when it coems to a head, trust me.

LS1 in an RX-7 should piss me off because it's chevy? Uh..read down some more. I don't hate chevy. I actually almost bought an LS1 car. God damn. And my names Tim, also. :)

well maybe its not all in the heads then... but my uncle raced stock cars... with stock engines... and his 351w was about even with a 350, prolly a lil slower but when he switched to cleveland heads he blew them away. plus ur talkin about a 302... i was talkin about the 351, the ford engine thats in the same size range as the 350.

Yes, I was refering to stock heads. Not aftermarket, although I still think they have us because of the runner placements. What the hell was Ford thinking, oh ya, its a chevy design....my bad

Well when I look at most aftermarket companies that make heads for both, that are equivalents the flow numbers are equal and sometime favor Ford sometimes favor Chevy.

One Ex: AFR SBF 185 vs AFR SBC190 the Ford out flow the chevies.

well maybe its not all in the heads then... but my uncle raced stock cars... with stock engines... and his 351w was about even with a 350, prolly a lil slower but when he switched to cleveland heads he blew them away. plus ur talkin about a 302... i was talkin about the 351, the ford engine thats in the same size range as the 350.

He used a windsor block, with a special intake for the heads?

351C can flow, but you have to turn that engine very high in the rmp band, but it also kills the torque for the street, I mean really hurts the engine for street use. Its 2 different animals, a well built street engine, and a all out race engine.

Well when I look at most aftermarket companies that make heads for both, that are equivalents the flow numbers are equal and sometime favor Ford sometimes favor Chevy.

One Ex: AFR SBF 185 vs AFR SBC190 the Ford out flow the chevies.

Yes, but do flow numbers tell the whole story when it comes to heads ability to make power?

I'll do some research on it, and get back with you guys.

Well when I look at most aftermarket companies that make heads for both, that are equivalents the flow numbers are equal and sometime favor Ford sometimes favor Chevy.

One Ex: AFR SBF 185 vs AFR SBC190 the Ford out flow the chevies.

Looking at the flow numbers of a head, how do they measure it? With the intake on or off. When I am talking about the head design, I am not just taking about the head, but the whole intake runner. Look at number 5 on a ford intake, number one is not so hot either. There is an embalance, but I am not sure if the cam guys take that into consideration when building their cams. They should, but I have never seen it discussed.

http://www.airflowresearch.com/pages/images/charts/185cc-Ford-Head-Flow-Graph.gif


http://www.airflowresearch.com/pages/images/charts/195cc-Comp-Head-Flow-Graph2.gif

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Plus, look at the exhaust side. That kills the Ford. Chevy's are better when it comes to this. There are still a lot of thing I do not like about Chevy engine's, that is why I am a Ford guy.

I could not find a 190 for the chevy.

When you look at the 205SBF head, holy carp that is a good head, but you are going to need cubes to use it. That will be the ones I am going with!

The 215 Chevy head rocks as well.

http://www.airflowresearch.com/pages/images/charts/185cc-Ford-Head-Flow-Graph.gif


http://www.airflowresearch.com/pages/images/charts/195cc-Comp-Head-Flow-Graph2.gif

http://www.airflowresearch.com/pages/images/charts/180cc--Comp-Flow-Graph.gif

Plus, look at the exhaust side. That kills the Ford. Chevy's are better when it comes to this. There are still a lot of thing I do not like about Chevy engine's, that is why I am a Ford guy.

I could not find a 190 for the chevy.

When you look at the 205SBF head, holy carp that is a good head, but you are going to need cubes to use it. That will be the ones I am going with!

The 215 Chevy head rocks as well.

I don't know why you have a competition flow package head listed but here are numbers right off AFR site.

SBF 185: 277 intake 191 exhuast .600 lift
SBC 195: 262 intake 194 exhuast .600 lift

SBF 225: 325 intake 258 exhuast .800 lift
SBC 227: 295 intake 220 exhuast .800 lift

So I'm not seeing where Chevy has a huge advantage exhuast or anywhere. The only big advantage stock SBC heads ever head was they came or had room to cut new 2.02 intake valves(Fuelie Heads) into them unlike Fords. Once you go aftermarket Chevy loses all advantages.

As far as intake imbalance that is only a condition mostly seen on the stock 302 EFI lower, the carb intakes did not have this issue. It can be easily fixed wit a lil porting to match flows or any good aftermarket intake manifold set-up.


Yea those 205's flow like a dumptruck... I had AFR 255's that had more work done by TEA to them. I was hoping to someday get the rest of the valvetrain so I could spin the 393W to 8,000rpm and use the heads to my advantage. I was only good to spin to 6,5000rpm. I'm thinking the tamer 205's for my TT windsor will be the ticket this time..

I don't know why you have a competition flow package head listed but here are numbers right off AFR site.

SBF 185: 277 intake 191 exhuast .600 lift
SBC 195: 262 intake 194 exhuast .600 lift

SBF 225: 325 intake 258 exhuast .800 lift
SBC 227: 295 intake 220 exhuast .800 lift

So I'm not seeing where Chevy has a huge advantage exhuast or anywhere. The only big advantage stock SBC heads ever head was they came or had room to cut new 2.02 intake valves(Fuelie Heads) into them unlike Fords. Once you go aftermarket Chevy loses all advantages.

As far as intake imbalance that is only a condition mostly seen on the stock 302 EFI lower, the carb intakes did not have this issue. It can be easily fixed wit a lil porting to match flows or any good aftermarket intake manifold set-up.

Yea those 205's flow like a dumptruck... I had AFR 255's that had more work done by TEA to them. I was hoping to someday get the rest of the valvetrain so I could spin the 393W to 8,000rpm and use the heads to my advantage. I was only good to spin to 6,5000rpm. I'm thinking the tamer 205's for my TT windsor will be the ticket this time..

I never look at 600 lift, I do not run my cams that high, stress on the valve train. I might go 550, but that is my limit for a street engine. I posted the wrong chart, my bad. An engine is sucking the inlet charge throughout the whole stroke, not just at peak lift. You have to look at it as a whole, not just that one aspect, right? The more I look at it though, I believe this MYTH has been busted:) I was going off of what my Chevy friends were tellin me...Those lying bastard:) As far as stock heads go, chevy has the advantage.......Ya thats the ticket...I was talking about just stock heads:D

I still do not like the #5 intake runner, but I guess I will have to beat that demon down as well:p And yes, its wreaks havok on the EFIs. Lucky me, I'm going blow through :)

i saw a magazine where it says ford 9. and chevys have them i saw them online and its the axle or soemthing in the back tires right. or am i wrong? i just dont get it?

i saw a magazine where it says ford 9. and chevys have them i saw them online and its the axle or soemthing in the back tires right. or am i wrong? i just dont get it?

Ford 9" is the best rear.

I never look at 600 lift, I do not run my cams that high, stress on the valve train. I might go 550, but that is my limit for a street engine. I posted the wrong chart, my bad. An engine is sucking the inlet charge throughout the whole stroke, not just at peak lift. You have to look at it as a whole, not just that one aspect, right? The more I look at it though, I believe this MYTH has been busted:) I was going off of what my Chevy friends were tellin me...Those lying bastard:) As far as stock heads go, chevy has the advantage.......Ya thats the ticket...I was talking about just stock heads:D

I still do not like the #5 intake runner, but I guess I will have to beat that demon down as well:p And yes, its wreaks havok on the EFIs. Lucky me, I'm going blow through :)


I just posted max lift cause we were talking about the heads cfm flow capabilities but I'm sure you looked and saw what I expected they stayed pretty much equal to each other all the way from low lift to max lift.

Honeslty a little lower intake manifold porting on a few runners and some flowbench time take care of it on the stocker. I think if you flowbench each runner on aftermarket ones you'll find a very small variance in flow numbers of each runner.

I just posted max lift cause we were talking about the heads cfm flow capabilities but I'm sure you looked and saw what I expected they stayed pretty much equal to each other all the way from low lift to max lift.

Honeslty a little lower intake manifold porting on a few runners and some flowbench time take care of it on the stocker. I think if you flowbench each runner on aftermarket ones you'll find a very small variance in flow numbers of each runner.

I need to make a flow bench. I pulled the details off the net, just need to get off my butt.

I'll have a look around and see if there are any numbers in intakes. Have you ever seen them posted anywhere?

I need to make a flow bench. I pulled the details off the net, just need to get off my butt.

I'll have a look around and see if there are any numbers in intakes. Have you ever seen them posted anywhere?


I think if you use yahoo and search E7 porting or maybe it's homemade flow bench. There is a good sight where a guy shows how to make home-made flow benches and uses it to show the cfm flow of each runner on the 302EFI lower intake manifold. And how to port the 2 runners to make all 8 runners flow almost the same.

I'll see if I can find it.

.. I could forgive a 302 dropped into a Miata...
The Miata is cool because you get better results with a 302 than a 1.8L stroked-out to 2.0L.

It's cool to do crazy swaps, but people who talk sh*t about other cars can eat my sh*t.

The Miata is cool because you get better results with a 302 than a 1.8L stroked-out to 2.0L.

It's cool to do crazy swaps, but people who talk sh*t about other cars can eat my sh*t.

Plus a Miata is a woman's car, at least that is what my wife says.

wow this thread turned into quite an interesting duscussion, i like it, im learnin something here lol.

wow this thread turned into quite an interesting duscussion, i like it, im learnin something here lol.

It happens when I come to town. j/k

I'll say something stupid, then GTStang will put me straight. Its all fun.

Don't tell GTStang, but I still think he wrong.....I hope wrote that small enough so he can't read it :naughty:

Plus a Miata is a woman's car, at least that is what my wife says.
It may look like a lady's automobile, but you'll need a set of big, hairy brass-balls to drive a Miata with a 302.
Hell, I'd drive one even if it were painted pink and had pink fuzzy dice.
However, I would wear dark sunglasses and a hat so that no one would recognize me.

It may look like a lady's automobile, but you'll need a set of big, hairy brass-balls to drive a Miata with a 302.
Hell, I'd drive one even if it were painted pink and had pink fuzzy dice.
However, I would wear dark sunglasses and a hat so that no one would recognize me.

Nothing wrong with pink fuzzy dice.

Hell, I think we should start a pink fuzzy dice club:D

Don't tell GTStang, but I still think he wrong.....I hope wrote that small enough so he can't read it :naughty:


It could be it's rare.... but it does happen :crying:


It's about time you hung around here and stopped trolling the Skyline Forums you bastard!

You guys do know the FORD 302 is a Chevy engine:D

I hate to say it man but you are wrong here. Yes chevy did make a 302, and yes this was before the ford 302. But they are two totally different engines, design and all. All they have in common is that they are small block V8 engines that measure out to 302 cubic inches. Ford did not buy/borrow/steal/sneak/ or anything else their 302. The two are completely different.

I hate to say it man but you are wrong here. Yes chevy did make a 302, and yes this was before the ford 302. But they are two totally different engines, design and all. All they have in common is that they are small block V8 engines that measure out to 302 cubic inches. Ford did not buy/borrow/steal/sneak/ or anything else their 302. The two are completely different.

Nice car 351wStang i have the same hood on my 1970 mustang. any way the ford 302 is stronger than the chevy 302 only because ford built it. lol :spit:

I hate to say it man but you are wrong here. Yes chevy did make a 302, and yes this was before the ford 302. But they are two totally different engines, design and all. All they have in common is that they are small block V8 engines that measure out to 302 cubic inches. Ford did not buy/borrow/steal/sneak/ or anything else their 302. The two are completely different.

Nice car 351wStang i have the same hood on my 1970 mustang. any way the ford 302 is stronger than the chevy 302 only because ford built it. lol :spit:

It could be it's rare.... but it does happen :crying:


It's about time you hung around here and stopped trolling the Skyline Forums you bastard!


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I hate to say it man but you are wrong here. Yes chevy did make a 302, and yes this was before the ford 302. But they are two totally different engines, design and all. All they have in common is that they are small block V8 engines that measure out to 302 cubic inches. Ford did not buy/borrow/steal/sneak/ or anything else their 302. The two are completely different.

I was told that a few months ago, and did not check the facts. I am not sure why, but I will find where I got the info and get back.

History I should have checked out, but did not. Damn, I know better.

The 292 block. the 292 is the socalled y-block which came out in 54 at 239 for the Ford and 256 for the Merc. It was upgraded to 272,292, and 312 then dropped in favor of the 289. But one part will interchange. The bore spacing is the same for both engines, so the crankshaft from either the 292 or maybe its the 312 crank can be used to create a 327 Ford.
Turn down the journals to 302 size and adjust the stroke to 3.25
add stroker pistons, balance everything and, like that.

351wStang, go ahead I deserve it http://www.modularfords.com/forums/images/smilies/tomato.gif

Thanks for setting the record straight. See this is what happens when you go away from your roots, and start dabbling into the imports, my bad.