Top Five U.S. Presidents

New Gallup Poll results were released yesterday regarding the top five U.S. Presidents. Results:

1)Ronald Reagan
2)Bill Clinton
3)Abraham Lincoln
4)FDR
5)JFK


...Reagan?

I'm a little suprised Clinton made the top 5.
Where is Washington?

Reagon? really? number one? Hmmm, and JFK too?

I dont know about that, but:

...50) George W Bush

:tongue:

I saw a different order to that with Lincoln being number one and no Clinton on the list last week. Reagan was 2nd and I believe George W Bush was 5th or 6th.

Do you have a link to the piece?

I saw a different order to that with Lincoln being number one and no Clinton on the list last week. Reagan was 2nd and I believe George W Bush was 5th or 6th.

Do you have a link to the piece?

http://www.kbtv4.tv/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=7972

A recent poll of the top-5 US Presidents is out and
President George W Bush falls short of the top-5.
Topping the list:

President Ronald Reagan,
President Bill Clinton,
President Abraham Lincoln,
President Franklin D. Roosevelt,
and President John Kennedy.

Anyone have any idea how they are ranking them?

I'm a little suprised Clinton made the top 5.

Read the bottom of the article of the list.

The polls was put together by CNN and USA Today.

Clinton News Network

The one i've seen on the news has had Lincoln as #1 and Reagan as #2.

where is Washington? Jefferson?

how is clinton in the top five?

Maybe they will do a recount.

1. Jefferson
2. Washington
3. Reagan
4. Lincoln
5. Truman
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46. Harrison
47. FDR
48. Grant
49. Carter
50. Polk













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Polls like these are asked to people who for the most part can't think beyond the moment in present day and have no deep knowledge of history. So it's completely meaningless.

History books in high school now devote like 1-2 pages to all of World War 2.
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1. Jefferson
2. Washington
3. Reagan
4. Lincoln
5. Truman
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46. Harrison
47. FDR
48. Grant
49. Carter
50. Polk

Logic behind that?

Logic behind that?

Simple, if you’re familiar with history.

Jefferson - Author of the Declaration of Independence and arguably as much the father of our country as my #2.

Washington – His head (like the others of the Continental Congress was on the line) and is responsible for successful campaigns to even have a country many of us call home.

Reagan – Saved us from the miserable failings of Carter. Between he and Gorbachev, the Soviet Union was no longer a nightmare waiting to happen.

Lincoln – Perhaps you’ve had a chance to read up on the civil war? Emancipation Proclamation?

Truman – Though FDR was a miserable failure, he was a popular president. Truman was left out of the loop for the entire time he was the VP (during a time of war for the seriously history impaired) and was able to step in and do what he needed to finish off WWII and prepare the country for the boom that was to follow.

Harrison – Signed the Sherman Act. Though later altered into something meaningful, it played havoc with the markets (not to mention how long it took for him to address the horrendous tariffs of the time).

FDR – Social programs. More scandals then you could shake a stick at. Read http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html) for a review of items few people seem to know about.

Grant – Scandal ridden. Historians almost universally agree that he was an awful president. The historically challenged can read http://wvwv.essortment.com/ulyssessgrant_rssg.htm (http://wvwv.essortment.com/ulyssessgrant_rssg.htm) for some insight.

Carter – The wrong man for the wrong time. Most historians peg him as a bad president. Did nothing to stem inflation. Kowtowed to the Soviets as they rolled into Afghanistan, Hungry, Poland, and Czechoslovakia (among others). If you grew up in the seventies, everyone felt depressed. Waiting in line for gas was common. He did not inspire people at all. The Iranian situation was a mess that he failed to do anything about.

Polk – The way he annexed California and New Mexico was a mess. Did nothing of substance to try and avoid the civil war.















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I can't say how good or bad Madison was at being an overall President, but the fact this President was chased out of the White House by invading forces who proceeded to set the building ablaze, only after taking a moment to actually sit down and eat this poor chaps hot dinner... that has got to trump all other disgraces or fuckups made by previous Presidents. Where is Madison on the "Bottom-Five" list?

Simple, if you’re familiar with history.

Jefferson - Author of the Declaration of Independence and arguably as much the father of our country as my #2.

Washington – His head (like the others of the Continental Congress was on the line) and is responsible for successful campaigns to even have a country many of us call home.

Reagan – Saved us from the miserable failings of Carter. Between he and Gorbachev, the Soviet Union was no longer a nightmare waiting to happen.

Lincoln – Perhaps you’ve had a chance to read up on the civil war? Emancipation Proclamation?

Truman – Though FDR was a miserable failure, he was a popular president. Truman was left out of the loop for the entire time he was the VP (during a time of war for the seriously history impaired) and was able to step in and do what he needed to finish off WWII and prepare the country for the boom that was to follow.

Harrison – Signed the Sherman Act. Though later altered into something meaningful, it played havoc with the markets (not to mention how long it took for him to address the horrendous tariffs of the time).

FDR – Social programs. More scandals then you could shake a stick at. Read http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html) for a review of items few people seem to know about.

Grant – Scandal ridden. Historians almost universally agree that he was an awful president. The historically challenged can read http://wvwv.essortment.com/ulyssessgrant_rssg.htm (http://wvwv.essortment.com/ulyssessgrant_rssg.htm) for some insight.

Carter – The wrong man for the wrong time. Most historians peg him as a bad president. Did nothing to stem inflation. Kowtowed to the Soviets as they rolled into Afghanistan, Hungry, Poland, and Czechoslovakia (among others). If you grew up in the seventies, everyone felt depressed. Waiting in line for gas was common. He did not inspire people at all. The Iranian situation was a mess that he failed to do anything about.

Polk – The way he annexed California and New Mexico was a mess. Did nothing of substance to try and avoid the civil war.

Thank you :smile:

History books in high school now devote like 1-2 pages to all of World War 2.


where do you get this from? I took general high school history a couple years ago and we spent half the year on the World Wars

If you grew up in the seventies, everyone felt depressed. Waiting in line for gas was common
And Carter told them that it was their fault - he was right. People hate the truth. :)
After Nixon, I think Carter did a lot (okay, maybe just a little) to boost America's view of the government.
Really I'm just surprised that Harding isn't on your worst list Yogs.
Also Reagon? Did anything great? - he spent money he didn't have, sold weapons to drug lords, and was also half out of his mind (think "Starwars"). The soviet union was already falling apart, with or without the help of Reagon it wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway - but at least he confronted the situation.

Nice list Yogs...admirable logic.

To make a list of top five prez's is very hard especially when you don't know what you mean by best?

Example: I could say FDR was the best because his social programs (though rash and underdeveloped) provided basis for some of the most respected institutions today. But FDR also strong-armed congress, passed rash legislature and by 1937 had sent the economy to its lowest in our history (I think it did surpass the recession in 1933).

The fact is, we could argue presidents based on ideology and never get anywhere. Then again, when you talk institutional the question is whether or not you want an imperial presidency or one tha abdicates power to the legislature.

My favorite prez (since I'm too lazy to come up with 5) is Jefferson. Not Washington (who did alsmot nothing while in office, yes Hamilton and his advisors accomplished much but I hate to attribute that actually to Wash himself. Good man, meh prez) or FDR, or even Kennedy who turned the White House into "Camelot." No Jefferson expanded our territory while respecting the indigenous peoples (until Andrew Jackon the "hero" of New Orleans) and most importantly the constitution. Unlike his predecessor Adams, he sought to above all protect individual liberty and provide a solid building block for foreign relations.

Yo Gotti- sounds like you don't live in California! An individual teacher may expand certain points in history beyond the texts, but texts I've seen in years gone by are thin in the area of WW 2 for example.....
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And Carter told them that it was their fault - he was right. People hate the truth. :)
After Nixon, I think Carter did a lot (okay, maybe just a little) to boost America's view of the government.

1. What did the people do to jack up the oil price? I wasn't around back then but I'm pretty sure OPEC had something to do with it.

2. The only good thing Carter has done is build houses.

2. The only good thing Carter has done is build houses.


And that was after he was thrown from office.













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And that was after he was thrown from office.
Well before he was in office, he farmed peanuts. I guess he was good at that.
His biggest failing was that he expected people to think logically, and reasonably - a stupid thing for anybody who has to deal with government to do - this would explain why so little was accomplished under his lead.

People give Carter time but he actually did some good while he was in there. Or at least tried to.
I ripped this off from a Carter website.

"Carter worked hard to combat the continuing economic woes of inflation and unemployment. By the end of his administration, he could claim an increase of nearly eight million jobs and a decrease in the budget deficit, measured in percentage of the gross national product. Unfortunately, inflation and interest rates were at near record highs, and efforts to reduce them caused a short recession.
Carter could point to a number of achievements in domestic affairs. He dealt with the energy shortage by establishing a national energy policy and by decontrolling domestic petroleum prices to stimulate production. He prompted Government efficiency through civil service reform and proceeded with deregulation of the trucking and airline industries. He sought to improve the environment. His expansion of the national park system included protection of 103 million acres of Alaskan lands. To increase human and social services, he created the Department of Education, bolstered the Social Security system, and appointed record numbers of women, blacks, and Hispanics to Government jobs.
In foreign affairs, Carter set his own style. His championing of human rights was coldly received by the Soviet Union and some other nations. In the Middle East, through the Camp David agreement of 1978, he helped bring amity between Egypt and Israel. He succeeded in obtaining ratification of the Panama Canal treaties. Building upon the work of predecessors, he established full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and completed negotiation of the SALT II nuclear limitation treaty with the Soviet Union. "

His biggest failing was that he expected people to think logically, and reasonably - a stupid thing for anybody who has to deal with government to do - this would explain why so little was accomplished under his lead.

I'm sure he was happy to see people using their heads when they voted for Reagan.













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I'm sure he was happy to see people using their heads when they voted for Reagan.

Reagon didn't think (logically or otherwise) so he fit right into the whole government mess.

50? weve only had 43?

#1 Theodore Roosevelt

Not the cookie cutter lincoln, washington, or jefferson

Reagon didn't think (logically or otherwise) so he fit right into the whole government mess.


You're sounding more and more like a sore loser :lol:













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You're sounding more and more like a sore loser :lol:
I didn't vote for carter. :p

I noticed that on some lists they list J.F.K. as being one of the best presidents. Can any body explain to me what makes him so great. I do not see anything that stands out except for almost starting ww3. I was too young at the time but I just don't see it.

TS out

I don't know why. He made alot of talk, died, and then let LBJ do most of it (and LBJ is commonly regaurded as having done nothing worthwhile, but did alot more for the U.S. than JFK did).

JFK:


His Inaugural Address offered the memorable injunction: "Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country." As President, he set out to redeem his campaign pledge to get America moving again. His economic programs launched the country on its longest sustained expansion since World War II; before his death, he laid plans for a massive assault on persisting pockets of privation and poverty.
Responding to ever more urgent demands, he took vigorous action in the cause of equal rights, calling for new civil rights legislation. His vision of America extended to the quality of the national culture and the central role of the arts in a vital society.
He wished America to resume its old mission as the first nation dedicated to the revolution of human rights. With the Alliance for Progress and the Peace Corps, he brought American idealism to the aid of developing nations. But the hard reality of the Communist challenge remained.
Shortly after his inauguration, Kennedy permitted a band of Cuban exiles, already armed and trained, to invade their homeland. The attempt to overthrow the regime of Fidel Castro was a failure. Soon thereafter, the Soviet Union renewed its campaign against West Berlin. Kennedy replied by reinforcing the Berlin garrison and increasing the Nation's military strength, including new efforts in outer space. Confronted by this reaction, Moscow, after the erection of the Berlin Wall, relaxed its pressure in central Europe.
Instead, the Russians now sought to install nuclear missiles in Cuba. When this was discovered by air reconnaissance in October 1962, Kennedy imposed a quarantine on all offensive weapons bound for Cuba. While the world trembled on the brink of nuclear war, the Russians backed down and agreed to take the missiles away. The American response to the Cuban crisis evidently persuaded Moscow of the futility of nuclear blackmail.
Kennedy now contended that both sides had a vital interest in stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and slowing the arms race--a contention which led to the test ban treaty of 1963. The months after the Cuban crisis showed significant progress toward his goal of "a world of law and free choice, banishing the world of war and coercion." His administration thus saw the beginning of new hope for both the equal rights of Americans and the peace of the world.