b18c1 vs h22a Choose??

I'm deciding on what engine to swap out for my 97 civic coupe. I know the b18c1 which is from a typeR integra puts out 210hp, but so does the h22a. I know any B series engine is more easily moddified and tuned, but the h22a is a "beefier" engine. Which would you get if you were in my spot? Thanks.

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The b18c1 is the GSR motor, the ITR motor is the b18c5. And to answer your question it depends on what your plans are if your going turbo id go b series.A h22 in a civic is a tight fit to begin with its tricky trying to shoehorn a turbo in there too. It can be done though my friend had a h22 turbo in his 93 hatch for 2 minutes before his motor went. But if you are not looking to go past the motor swap the h22 is cheaper.

The h22a engine may be cheaper, but you'll still spend just as much as the ITR (maybe a little more) because of all the parts you need to buy to get it in.

The h22a engine may be cheaper, but you'll still spend just as much as the ITR (maybe a little more) because of all the parts you need to buy to get it in.
That is a good point. There are many things to consider before you do a swap. Do your research so you get what you want and dont F it up.

i went with h22a in my civic its not that hard... well its tough but it just takes time...i love my h22a pulls hard..i raced a b18c5 and walked about 3 1/2 cars so ur choice.. o yeah vtec in a h22a man my dynos show a 24 horse gain when i hit vtec....

to turbo or not to turbo is the question...
there r people riding with h22turbo but i think it will be heavier onthe pocket as opposed to turboing a gsr..
some people might bring int he weight factor of h22 over b18c1..but it really isn;t that much heavier...

in short if u wanna do str8 runs or on the highway,,h22 is good...
but for those and everything else i would go with b18c1...

search is ur friend as u dunno what motor comes in what car...

I would go b18c5 but thats just me. And as for HP, i belive that the b18c5 has 195 as does the Prelude, i could be mistaken.

The JDM versions of both motors have more than 195 hp. I'm trying to decide myself which one I want to put in my GSR 2dr. I'll probably just stick to a B series to eliminate the headache of having to modify my engine bay. But I will give the H22 credit.

depends if u plan on turbocharging your engine...go with the b18c1 because it has a better compression ratio. if you want the naturally aspirated way go with the H22a4...thats my opinion.

depends if u plan on turbocharging your engine...go with the b18c1 because it has a better compression ratio.
No it doesn't. The JDM B18c and JDM H22a both have a 10.6:1 compression ratio, the USDM B18c1 has 10.1:1 and the USDM H22a has 10:1.

The JDM versions of both motors have more than 195 hp.

Actually the JDM H22 has 200hp. I don't know the specs, but I'd imagine the H22 has more torque than the b series engine, and torque is always nice to have. Like others have said, it really depends on your future plans for the car, as well as what you want to do with the car (drag, road race, auto x, etc.)

the h22 is probably not worth the money, althou i considered it myself, and i hesitate to say that b/c i almost did it :) ... the jdm b18c itr motor has 200 hp (worth the money, it pulls madly, i personally kno) , the usdm itr has 185-195 hp..but dont turbo the jdm itr unless u get new pistons, the compression is too high; which is most likely tru of the usdm itr motor as well. but, once you do anything to the itr motor, its value will drop. the usdm gsr motor has 170-185; its jdm counterpart has roughly 185. a gsr would be fun to trubo. if u want turbo, u can run 10's w/a b16 thts turbo'd... and built fer turbo; or i'd consider goin w/a b20 (or dif. spin on tht ls vtec) fer turbo. if u want all motor: u can try the h22. but i'd go w/tha jdm b18c gsr motor unless ur looking to put big bucks into the jdm itr motor (which is already "race built" from factory) good luck motor shoppin :)

that was from me sorry fer tha diff. name ^^^^ someone else was using my comp. and never signed off!

that was from me sorry fer tha diff. name ^^^^ someone else was using my comp. and never signed off!
That's right, I'm sorry I didnt sign off your comp laura. That is one hell of a response to his quesitons, and I second everyhting she said. She does know personally since we swapped it in her EG about 2 weeks ago. The ITR is expensive, but well worth the money many fold, if you are unhappy wiht your results, it is a simple swap out even wiht one person and a couple of hours. Also, you can sell the thing for as much as you spent on it to another person wanting an engine with such status. The H22 does have its torque, but its a headache i presume, and its worth crap if you are unhappy with it. Also the H22 has much less available parts, esp variety. So even a b18c form the SIR-G integra would be a great desision and a lot less hurtful in the pocket book.

Actually the h22 is a better turbo motor b/c the third gens have a closed deck and can handle more psi, i should know cuz i have one and im runnin 11psi on a bone stock motor

if you were serious into the tuning, couldn't you get the H22 sleeve it down to 2.0 or even 1.8 with new pistons/bottom end stuff an run higher boost with good fuelling ? then you'd have real strong cylinder walls for higher boost. would that work ? (i know it would be mroe complicated than i said, but you know what i mean)

TurboH22civ - You're running 11psi with a T25 turbo, that's nothing. It's probably comparable to roughly 7-8psi with a T3/T4 (if that much).

2.2 - No offense but, WTF? You'd lose a lot of power by decreasing the displacement from the stock 2.2L (don't even know if ya could, I'm not engine builder). It'd be better to build the bottom end and put in lower compression pistons, and then turning up the boost (tuning of course). That's what my friend has been doing (until recently when something went wrong, so he's doing a minor rebuild).

no worries, what i means was: i read that the H22a has thin cylinder walls, danger of det. so by sleeving it you coud have ticker walls, then it would be "stronger" then with bottom end work (crank, rods l/c pistons) run higer boost with good fuelling an cooling an have a more reliable power-hungry engine, if you get what i mean ? (yes, there's more work required than i've listed, but you get the idea)

i would go with the h22 if naturally aspirated and the b series for turbo and its aftermarket support...

Go GSR.....no matter what the application! B rules H.....imo

I second that. Not only is there a better lineup of part's for B series but it is also a stronger engine for it's size. My JDM B18c come's with 180 hp stock. I don't see any H22's JDM or not coming with 220 hp stock.

I second that. Not only is there a better lineup of part's for B series but it is also a stronger engine for it's size. My JDM B18c come's with 180 hp stock. I don't see any H22's JDM or not coming with 220 hp stock.

Really? Cause I do, it's called an h22a type S engine. 220 hp stock, 163 ft/lbs of torque, retails for about 4 grand, depending on where you look. Here's a link to one http://www.jdm-online.com/honda/h22as.html

^ Yup and you forgot the Euro R h22a that has the same specs as the Type S.

And... "Not only is there a better lineup of part's for B series but it is also a stronger engine for it's size."??? You honestly think the 2.0L B20 is a stronger engine compared to the h22a that only has .2L more? The only reason there are more aftermarket parts for the B-series over the H-series is because of popularity. An H22a will always make more power than a B-series, when both have the same mods.

Yep, H22s will always outperform a b-series if the mods are the same.

If you haven't noticed already; the Civic/Integra owners will tell you to get a B-Series motor and the Accord/Prelude owners will tell you to get an H-Series motor.

I say you get a k20.

Wow, calm down everybody. Ok so I was wrong about the JDM h22. I never knew it existed. But even if I did when I was shopping for and engine for my GSR I still wouldn't have bought it. I did consider the lude motor but when I did a little research and found out that 1.) It burns excessive oil, 2.) It has very thin cylinder walls (which is terrible to try and boost) and 3.) It's not worth trying to squeeze it into my Teg. And in it's own car "when both have the same mods" it can't keep up with a gsr. I could just be the driver but one of the prelude's that I raced was this guy at my work. He has a 99' Vtec Prelude (non SH) which is supposedly a bit faster than the SH because it weighs a bit less. He claims to have a chipped ecu (which is new to me because I've never been able to find a real performance chip for the H22) intake, headers, exhaust. I verified most of it. Oh and the last few word's he spoke to me before I left him in my dust at a local drag spot was that he thinks that his little shift light/tach will help him beat me. Which it didn't of course. But those things do help out by the way. They almost eliminate human error as long as you get it timed right. Another co-worker of mine has a lude also. Except his is a 98' Type SH. The guy with the non SH beat him. Oh and by the way, this was when my engine was bone stock. Since then I have installed intake, good wire's and a header.

Oh yeah and nobody was talking about a f###ing CRV b20 anyways. I would never drop one of those in my car. They don't even have oil squirter's. They are not meant for VTEC. And no offense signal748 but I don't even care too much for the K20. Too restricted for me. My 96' JDM engine with 95' OBD1 will probably never throw a code as long as I take care of it. Most of the newer motor's will give a check engine light for anything. Which as everybody knows automatically shut's off your vtec. But I will give the S2000 engine credit. When it first came out in 2000 it had like 240 hp out of a 2.0 if I'm not mistaken. And that's in the state's.

Both engines have their stengths and weaknesses. And yes, I would say you won entirely because of the driver, cuz there's no way a stock GSR should beat a stock lude, let alone one with a few bolt ons, not that the h22 responds all the well to mods anyway, but regardless. The 5th gen ludes are heavier than the 4th gens too. Yes, the h22 isn't great for boost, but the original poster never said he was going for boost. And now, despite my defense for the H22 (I love my engine) I think I would have to say go with the b-series engine, only because I've heard it fits better in a civiv than an h-series engine does.

Does anybody happen to know the quarter mile time of a stock Prelude. I'm pretty sure that the USDM GSR quarter mile time is 15.5 stock. Also that JDM h22 with 220 hp is not stronger than a JDM b18 type r engine pound for pound. On that same site that you refered me too if you look at the JDM type r, it has 210 and it's still only a 1.8. The only thing I will give the Prelude engine credit on is the torque due to the larger displacement. Oh yeah and one more thing. I went to a professional drag race this past Sunday at the Pamona Raceway in Pamona, CA. Most of the fastest honda's out there were all b18c gsr motor's whether it be a Civic, Integra or what have you. Come to think of it I didn't see any Prelude's in 5 hour's of racing. Maybe I missed them between breaks. And once again like I've said before, there is so much more you can do to a b18 engine and there are alot more part's because it's a better engine. But everybody's entitled to their opinion.

I was just letting you know how grossly misinformed you are. Your post shows that once again. Saying that the cylinder walls are thin so it's bad for boost is wrong. The stock cylinder walls are stronger than the sleeves of the b-series engines. It's another twisted fact about the h22a. The problem is that most aftermarket pistons don't react well with the stock sleeves. And as 94PreludeJDM stated, the Prelude is heavier than an Integra. So seeing the power of the Prelude has nothing to do with the power of an h22a in an Integra. And yes, the h22a isn't a straight forward swap like a B-series engines; but it's certainly more powerful. And I quoted you word for word, you didn't specify which b-series were included.

Preludes aren't that fast. Most people who want to drag race either buy a Civic or Integra (H/A owners anyways); because of their weights. You're absolutely right about the GS-R thing, most people do use them. It doesn't mean it's superior, they are just easier swaps to do, cheaper to swap and build, and leave more room in the engine bay to do it. There are tons of aftermarket support for h22's, there may not be as many different companes flooding the market with parts. You can buy any part for an h22 that you could buy for a b18c.

one more fanboy post projectgsr...and then i'll start arguing...

1) Yes, a stock prelude, 4th gen, runs a 15.2, and can even dip into the high 14's, USDM. 2) I never said the type S was stronger, just that an engine with 220hp existed. 3) I actually AGREED with you on getting the b18. 4)Let's compare the amount of civics and integras you see on the road to the number of preludes...you see more racing simply because there are more of them to begin with. I go to Lebanon Valley Speedway and always see numerous ludes there. And the reason there are more parts for it is not because it's a "better engine" it's because there's more civics and integras, so the demand is higher.

1) Sorry if I sounded a little harsh last night. I know it's no excuse but I was a little drunk. 2) The word cheap should have nothing to do with professional drag racing. You don't think people like Papadakis and Tran have enough money to finance whatever they want? 3) Ok so a Lude can run a 15.2 quarter mile. What about a JDM Type R? 4) No offense but the argument that "the reason Civic's and Integra's have more part's is because there are more of them" is kind of weak. It's lacking something. That's not the complete picture. 5) I'm sorry but what exactly is a "fanboy post"? Please explain. 6) For the record I am not trying to upset anybody. I mean after all, what do we have this forum for anyway's?

Sorry if you think the argument that there's less of an aftermarket for ludes is because the demand isn't as high, but that's the reason, simple supply and demand as well as marketing to the area that will make the most money.

By the way, why did the Prelude become extinct? I mean almost every other Honda out there out sold it. I even heard once that the V6 Accord had something to do with that also. Something about how most people figured they might as well get something with a bigger and better engine around the same price range (Prelude's were a bit over priced by the way) and even around the same weight when your comparing a 2 door Accord. Might as well just buy an Accord right? Not to get off the subject of engine's but my car weighs less than 2,700 lbs. stock. So whoever say's that the extra 20 or 30 extra ponies will make up the difference has another thing coming. As of right now my car would even out handle a Type SH Lude with my LSD transmission, Tokico Illumina R true coilover's with adjustable ride height and damper, and my strut bar's. With all that added up it would still be alot less money, I would use less gas than a Prelude (even though my engine does rev up alot more than my opponent), and my resale value and demand would be much higher than the Prelude's. Which bring's up another subject. Since there is so many more Integra's out there compared to Prelude's how come it is SO much more easier to find a Prelude to buy compared to any Integra (even LS, GS, automatic, ect.)??? Not that this has anything to do with anything but I was just wondering.

True, the prelude was a bit overpriced for it's class, and the fact that the accord offered more room because the back seat was actually functional was a big part of it, a family couldn't buy a prelude. The V6 accord, however, was not faster than the prelude until the new model with 240hp was offered, which is why you never see people tuning V6 accords. Now lets look at statistics. V6 accord listed weight...3282 pounds. Integra GS-R listed weight (top trim)...2667lbs. Prelude VTEC listed weight (also top trim)...2765lbs. A difference of less than 100lbs. The difference is barely anything. Second, where are you seeing Integras going for more than Preludes? Kelly Blue Book Value of a 1994 GS-R with 100K miles is $3,625. A VTEC Prelude of the same year is valued at $4,675. And granted it will fluctuate depending on what is listed at a given time, the average prices of the same cars on Autotrader are about the same. Not to mention there are 73 1994 preludes listed, and 247 1994 Integras listed, so clearly there are far more Integras. That said, it seems clear that I'm not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine, but at least provide references and facts instead of what you think. So let's just settle on you like your car better than a Prelude, and I like my car better than an Integra. And once again, to the original poster, I say go with a B-series.

i say you get a K20.....want one, i'll sell you one for a good deal......possibly!

Thanks but no thanks on the k20. But if you have a b18c by chance then I wouldn't mind taking that off your hands so that I can buy a crx or civic hatch and drop that in it. After boosting my GSR that's one of my next plans. Oh and back to the Prelude weight thing. I guess I stand corrected, unless of course this article has any meaning:
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/47901/page005.html
Sorry I couldn't make it easy on you and give you a link (it wouldn't work) but if you type all that in you'll learn that the last generation Prelude (I think that would be 3rd or 4th) weighs over 3,000 lbs. Something like 3,040. Maybe you were refering to your generation (1994) because they are smaller but not as powerful. Anyways I just wanted to add that. But you are right, we should call a truce. I like my car and you like your's. Which is the way it should be.

I'd sell you my B18C1, but its in my car and i plan on keepin it there.....:grinyes:

h22 all the way