Trans Am vs. CL65
trev0006
02-23-2005, 02:21 PM
Trans Am vs. CL65 save as.. (http://www.n2s1.net/RacingVideos/HAVOC_VS_CL65AMG_.WMV)
OCUJer
02-24-2005, 12:26 AM
That Merc flat OWNED that T/A!!
I liked the beginning where it gives the stats on the cars. For the Merc it says, "Is it modded beyond this? Not sure, but I think so..."
What an idiot he even lists the T/A as having 435hp 601 lbs tq. I'd be willing to bet that these numbers include his own modding and the "little bit of nitros" and yet he lists the Merc with 604hp and 738 lbs tq. The Merc outperforms the T/A by...wait for it...169hp and 137 lbs tq. Was the T/A going to get beat with or without Merc modding? Well duh!
I liked the beginning where it gives the stats on the cars. For the Merc it says, "Is it modded beyond this? Not sure, but I think so..."
What an idiot he even lists the T/A as having 435hp 601 lbs tq. I'd be willing to bet that these numbers include his own modding and the "little bit of nitros" and yet he lists the Merc with 604hp and 738 lbs tq. The Merc outperforms the T/A by...wait for it...169hp and 137 lbs tq. Was the T/A going to get beat with or without Merc modding? Well duh!
greycrx87
02-24-2005, 10:37 AM
Definitely the benz was faster, who would even want to race trans am with such a classic and fast car as the cl65
camaroincal
02-24-2005, 10:55 AM
Um, that T/A hung rather well. Shit, the Merc barely pulled the second run. Nice race and for the money, you could have like......5 of those T/A's for the price of the Merc....
OCUJer
02-25-2005, 04:15 PM
Um, that T/A hung rather well. Shit, the Merc barely pulled the second run. Nice race and for the money, you could have like......5 of those T/A's for the price of the Merc....
So, ya gonna drive all of those T/A's at the same time. Give me one Merc and you can keep all of those pre-pubescent plastic go carts.
"No replacement for displacement." Not any more, now its, "No replacement for European Engineering"
So, ya gonna drive all of those T/A's at the same time. Give me one Merc and you can keep all of those pre-pubescent plastic go carts.
"No replacement for displacement." Not any more, now its, "No replacement for European Engineering"
camaroincal
02-25-2005, 10:59 PM
lol...ya ok, a cheap "plasticy" F-body 350 c.i. N/A V8 with some bolt on's and a little N20 is hanging right with it. Not to mention, the LS1 gets damn good gas mileage....way better than that Merc's overrated..overpriced Euro engineering... And, no, you can't drive 5 T/A's at the same time, but I'd much rather have that T/A, a nice ass truck, and whatever other goodies you could get for the money you'd be dropping on the Benz...like a friggen down payment on a house! LOL
OCUJer
02-26-2005, 12:36 AM
the LS1 gets damn good gas mileage....way better than that Merc's overrated..Euro engineering...
Like gas mileage is the point right? LOL
"overrated...Euro engineering" Hee hee hee, you made a funny.
Bottom line is the guy in the low end sports car (i.e. T/A) had absolutely no business trying to race the Merc CL65 (quoting Mercedes website) "with its 604 horsepower twin-turbocharged V-12, the CL65 AMG sets the performance mark as the world's most powerful four-seat coupe." He'd be better off racing Pony's and mini-vans.
*side note*
I checked some of the payment arrangements for this $175,000 automobile and bottom line is the least you are going to end up paying per month is in excess of $2,000!!! PER MONTH!!! I'd have to live in the thing.
Like gas mileage is the point right? LOL
"overrated...Euro engineering" Hee hee hee, you made a funny.
Bottom line is the guy in the low end sports car (i.e. T/A) had absolutely no business trying to race the Merc CL65 (quoting Mercedes website) "with its 604 horsepower twin-turbocharged V-12, the CL65 AMG sets the performance mark as the world's most powerful four-seat coupe." He'd be better off racing Pony's and mini-vans.
*side note*
I checked some of the payment arrangements for this $175,000 automobile and bottom line is the least you are going to end up paying per month is in excess of $2,000!!! PER MONTH!!! I'd have to live in the thing.
chevydrummer76
02-26-2005, 03:00 AM
Definitely the benz was faster, who would even want to race trans am with such a classic and fast car as the cl65
oh please you drive a crx
The Transm am is a classic itself. For 175,000 they can have their cl65. It wouldnt take much more for that T/A to be faster. The Benz is pretty damn hot but i wouldnt see spending 175k on any car.
oh please you drive a crx
The Transm am is a classic itself. For 175,000 they can have their cl65. It wouldnt take much more for that T/A to be faster. The Benz is pretty damn hot but i wouldnt see spending 175k on any car.
CivRacer95
02-26-2005, 11:39 AM
For the TA only having 435 HP it did a damn good job keeping up, except after 4th gear of course. I'd have to agree with Camaroincal that for the TA only having a few bolt ons and some nitrous, he did really well. Give him the extra 169 HP and 137 lbs tq, I'm sure the tables would turn. Plus it never hurts to see how well your car performs against some luxury or super car. Works well to gauge yourself and give you something to look up to. L8...
OCUJer
02-26-2005, 11:41 AM
I'm going to throw you American Muscle guys a bone with this one.
http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdaniel.asf
and now I'm going to take it away.
http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdanieldig.asf
Gotta love the daylight race, although the vids were cut short. In the first vid the cars were not even at the start and the Cobra just took off no horn blow or anything. In the second one the Cobra was asleep at the light LOSER.
http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdaniel.asf
and now I'm going to take it away.
http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdanieldig.asf
Gotta love the daylight race, although the vids were cut short. In the first vid the cars were not even at the start and the Cobra just took off no horn blow or anything. In the second one the Cobra was asleep at the light LOSER.
camaroincal
02-26-2005, 12:49 PM
Like gas mileage is the point right? LOL
"overrated...Euro engineering" Hee hee hee, you made a funny.
Bottom line is the guy in the low end sports car (i.e. T/A) had absolutely no business trying to race the Merc CL65 (quoting Mercedes website) "with its 604 horsepower twin-turbocharged V-12, the CL65 AMG sets the performance mark as the world's most powerful four-seat coupe." He'd be better off racing Pony's and mini-vans.
*side note*
I checked some of the payment arrangements for this $175,000 automobile and bottom line is the least you are going to end up paying per month is in excess of $2,000!!! PER MONTH!!! I'd have to live in the thing.
the reason I brought up gas mileage is because America is always bashed for having old technology etc....yet look at the LS1, 350 hp beast that gets damn near 30 mpg on the highway and about 17-19 in the city. Most of these so called feats of tech. Euro cars aren't really as great as they are made out to be. V12 and twin turbos? Shit, I'd hope a car had gobs of power with that setup...Basically, you'd be hard-pressed to find an engine stock for stock that puts out the kind of power and is as efficient as the LS1. I'd call that some pretty good engineering.
"overrated...Euro engineering" Hee hee hee, you made a funny.
Bottom line is the guy in the low end sports car (i.e. T/A) had absolutely no business trying to race the Merc CL65 (quoting Mercedes website) "with its 604 horsepower twin-turbocharged V-12, the CL65 AMG sets the performance mark as the world's most powerful four-seat coupe." He'd be better off racing Pony's and mini-vans.
*side note*
I checked some of the payment arrangements for this $175,000 automobile and bottom line is the least you are going to end up paying per month is in excess of $2,000!!! PER MONTH!!! I'd have to live in the thing.
the reason I brought up gas mileage is because America is always bashed for having old technology etc....yet look at the LS1, 350 hp beast that gets damn near 30 mpg on the highway and about 17-19 in the city. Most of these so called feats of tech. Euro cars aren't really as great as they are made out to be. V12 and twin turbos? Shit, I'd hope a car had gobs of power with that setup...Basically, you'd be hard-pressed to find an engine stock for stock that puts out the kind of power and is as efficient as the LS1. I'd call that some pretty good engineering.
OCUJer
02-26-2005, 03:56 PM
Basically, you'd be hard-pressed to find an engine stock for stock that puts out the kind of power and is as efficient as the LS1. I'd call that some pretty good engineering.
I'm not saying that the LS1 is junk. My point is that American sports cars are usually very sloppy. Yes, they have oodles of HP, but the rest of the package seems to lag behind thereby negating the monster big block under the hood. Imagine what would happen if the American sports car makers used the same level of engineering in the manufacture of their sports cars as the Euros do. A prime example of this is the GT-40 and the C6 vette. These are hot cars with plenty of beef, in fact the GT-40 ranked no. 5 on Top Gear pretty respectable, but imagine if the vette was a finely crafted as the CL65 or the GT-40. I think the performance of the Vette over the last few years in the 24 hour races (daytona and Le Mans) shows exactly what the car is capable of with the right engineering. But, right now in contrast to the Euros our sports cars are slapped together, which makes them perform more poorly.
Sure increased engineering would increase the price but, hey if you're gonna shell out 50G's for a car what's another 10?
I'm not saying that the LS1 is junk. My point is that American sports cars are usually very sloppy. Yes, they have oodles of HP, but the rest of the package seems to lag behind thereby negating the monster big block under the hood. Imagine what would happen if the American sports car makers used the same level of engineering in the manufacture of their sports cars as the Euros do. A prime example of this is the GT-40 and the C6 vette. These are hot cars with plenty of beef, in fact the GT-40 ranked no. 5 on Top Gear pretty respectable, but imagine if the vette was a finely crafted as the CL65 or the GT-40. I think the performance of the Vette over the last few years in the 24 hour races (daytona and Le Mans) shows exactly what the car is capable of with the right engineering. But, right now in contrast to the Euros our sports cars are slapped together, which makes them perform more poorly.
Sure increased engineering would increase the price but, hey if you're gonna shell out 50G's for a car what's another 10?
Master Hiko
02-26-2005, 09:41 PM
V12 and twin turbos? Shit, I'd hope a car had gobs of power with that setup...Basically, you'd be hard-pressed to find an engine stock for stock that puts out the kind of power and is as efficient as the LS1. I'd call that some pretty good engineering.
not that im (dis)agreeing with you but you cant expect people to believe that an LS1 is more efficient than most Euro sportscars are you? there are cars that have almost half the engine size (liters) and 2, sometimes 4 cylinders less that make damn near the same numbers. you say that i would be hard-pressed to find them? i say that common sense is one of those things that goes unstated. i like LS's but thats not gonna make me glorify it if its not true. i already know the defense is going to be too,"Well i can 4 LS1's for that price, yadda x3". i hate when people factor money when your talking just about performance. imports (J) have been doing/saying the same thing when domestics bash on them. i hate hypocrites and thats what most of this shit is, hypcrisy. you bash one group of cars for something then you try to say the EXACT same thing to another in your defense.
we're talking about performance attributes not money. despite what some may think, they dont go hand in hand when you compare a car soley on performance. if you add cash in as well you have to add in value, resale value, luxury, comfort, amenities, etc. which is something that most domestics lose out too as well vs Euro sportcars. the benz is a purpose built car but its purpose is luxury. the LS is also a purpose built car but its purpose is speed and it just so happens that many benzs are faster than those LS's. you say you can buy 4 of those cars for the same price but the point is they (all 4) still wont be worth the same value wise. Benz = luxury car that happens to be fast, LS1-7 = fast car built to be fast and if its built for performance only then they need to be faster/more efficient. in my opinion, if a car is built for speed and it has 5.7 liters, id expect it to be making atleast 470hp+, not 350hp which is about a 3 liter engine (NA) in Euro standards.
i dont want this to seem anti anything but im just stating truths. i havent given my opinion on which i would prefer even though some may think they already know (and will probably be wrong). the LS's (1,2,6,7)are probably the best america has to offer and are a huge step in the right direction but making 1 car faster than most once every decade or so isnt going to threaten Germany/Italy sportcar heritage in the least bit. there will always be exceptions in life and the LS's are the biggest mass produced exception we have to offer. will the new Z06 outperform most german/italian sportcars in the same class? sure, but its just an exception. an expception id love to have but an exception none the less. (ok i wont use that word anymore)
think of it this way, if theres a contest to see whos the tallest between men and women, its pretty obvious that most men will be taller but every now and then you get that tall ass chick who is taller than the average guy . would you now say that women are taller than men? no, there was that one girl though but she's an exception. (ok im sorry)
ps
that benz being a V12 doesnt mean much but the fact that its a boosted 6.5 liter does.
not that im (dis)agreeing with you but you cant expect people to believe that an LS1 is more efficient than most Euro sportscars are you? there are cars that have almost half the engine size (liters) and 2, sometimes 4 cylinders less that make damn near the same numbers. you say that i would be hard-pressed to find them? i say that common sense is one of those things that goes unstated. i like LS's but thats not gonna make me glorify it if its not true. i already know the defense is going to be too,"Well i can 4 LS1's for that price, yadda x3". i hate when people factor money when your talking just about performance. imports (J) have been doing/saying the same thing when domestics bash on them. i hate hypocrites and thats what most of this shit is, hypcrisy. you bash one group of cars for something then you try to say the EXACT same thing to another in your defense.
we're talking about performance attributes not money. despite what some may think, they dont go hand in hand when you compare a car soley on performance. if you add cash in as well you have to add in value, resale value, luxury, comfort, amenities, etc. which is something that most domestics lose out too as well vs Euro sportcars. the benz is a purpose built car but its purpose is luxury. the LS is also a purpose built car but its purpose is speed and it just so happens that many benzs are faster than those LS's. you say you can buy 4 of those cars for the same price but the point is they (all 4) still wont be worth the same value wise. Benz = luxury car that happens to be fast, LS1-7 = fast car built to be fast and if its built for performance only then they need to be faster/more efficient. in my opinion, if a car is built for speed and it has 5.7 liters, id expect it to be making atleast 470hp+, not 350hp which is about a 3 liter engine (NA) in Euro standards.
i dont want this to seem anti anything but im just stating truths. i havent given my opinion on which i would prefer even though some may think they already know (and will probably be wrong). the LS's (1,2,6,7)are probably the best america has to offer and are a huge step in the right direction but making 1 car faster than most once every decade or so isnt going to threaten Germany/Italy sportcar heritage in the least bit. there will always be exceptions in life and the LS's are the biggest mass produced exception we have to offer. will the new Z06 outperform most german/italian sportcars in the same class? sure, but its just an exception. an expception id love to have but an exception none the less. (ok i wont use that word anymore)
think of it this way, if theres a contest to see whos the tallest between men and women, its pretty obvious that most men will be taller but every now and then you get that tall ass chick who is taller than the average guy . would you now say that women are taller than men? no, there was that one girl though but she's an exception. (ok im sorry)
ps
that benz being a V12 doesnt mean much but the fact that its a boosted 6.5 liter does.
gti1689
02-28-2005, 06:54 PM
people, think before u say ignortant statements concerning the mercedes. props to the trans am (i do love them), but they are out of their league.
WHY THE TRANS AM ALWAYS GETS THE JUMP:
-it has a manual transmission, the benz has an automaitc. meaning that the trans am is in gear, and the benz has to downshift before it gets going. this might have been the case on the first run, but on the second run the benz might already have been in gear (tiptronic).
-THE BENZ HAS TURBO'S. has anyone watched the race between a viper and the modified supra? the viper surged ahead by 2 cl's (it was from a roll), but once the supra spooled up it was gone. same case w.the benz. i would have been surprised if the trans am didnt at least get a small jump. w/that kind of hp and torque, the trans am is still no joke.
THE BENZ SHOULD BE GOING FASTER! WE CAN BENCH RACE AND THEORIZE THAT THE TRANS AM W/MORE HP WOULD KIL IT!
-Run What You Brung! Enough said.
-the benz weighs:4654, and the trans am weighs: 3494
-didn't anyone see what happened after 3rd gear!?
-the benz is a luxury car w/many features that one cannot find in a trans am. someone mentioned that the trans am is meant to go fast, but the benz is meant to be a luxury car, and it is fast as an added bonus. this statement is totally true. the benz can be so much more than a highway racer, but, for $175,000, it really should be :)
ls1 guys, please don't rip on me for stating the harsh facts. we know the mercedes is more expensive, but the ls1 cannot win everytime. for the money, the trans am is an excellent value.
gas milage, for whatever purpose, should never be posted in the same thread as street racing...
CHEERS MATES!
WHY THE TRANS AM ALWAYS GETS THE JUMP:
-it has a manual transmission, the benz has an automaitc. meaning that the trans am is in gear, and the benz has to downshift before it gets going. this might have been the case on the first run, but on the second run the benz might already have been in gear (tiptronic).
-THE BENZ HAS TURBO'S. has anyone watched the race between a viper and the modified supra? the viper surged ahead by 2 cl's (it was from a roll), but once the supra spooled up it was gone. same case w.the benz. i would have been surprised if the trans am didnt at least get a small jump. w/that kind of hp and torque, the trans am is still no joke.
THE BENZ SHOULD BE GOING FASTER! WE CAN BENCH RACE AND THEORIZE THAT THE TRANS AM W/MORE HP WOULD KIL IT!
-Run What You Brung! Enough said.
-the benz weighs:4654, and the trans am weighs: 3494
-didn't anyone see what happened after 3rd gear!?
-the benz is a luxury car w/many features that one cannot find in a trans am. someone mentioned that the trans am is meant to go fast, but the benz is meant to be a luxury car, and it is fast as an added bonus. this statement is totally true. the benz can be so much more than a highway racer, but, for $175,000, it really should be :)
ls1 guys, please don't rip on me for stating the harsh facts. we know the mercedes is more expensive, but the ls1 cannot win everytime. for the money, the trans am is an excellent value.
gas milage, for whatever purpose, should never be posted in the same thread as street racing...
CHEERS MATES!
gti1689
02-28-2005, 07:01 PM
hmmm, the benz barely pulled in the second run??
that's funny because i noticed these weird red lights flash after he blew, not walked, past the T/A. I think some people call them BRAKE LIGHTS. I wonder why he didn't pull that much on the T/A. Maybe he didn't want to drive his $175,000 car through the back of some honda civic. Maybe he thought that definitively beating the T/A twice was enough? I'm not sure!
camaroincal...u drive a camaro...it makes sense that you would defend the T/A. nothin to be ashamed of, just try to see things from the other side (benz).
that's funny because i noticed these weird red lights flash after he blew, not walked, past the T/A. I think some people call them BRAKE LIGHTS. I wonder why he didn't pull that much on the T/A. Maybe he didn't want to drive his $175,000 car through the back of some honda civic. Maybe he thought that definitively beating the T/A twice was enough? I'm not sure!
camaroincal...u drive a camaro...it makes sense that you would defend the T/A. nothin to be ashamed of, just try to see things from the other side (benz).
-Josh-
03-01-2005, 11:23 AM
I'm sorry but even with all this so called "logic" you guys are trying to throw around, i dont see a point in comparing a 27-32,000 dollar car to a 175,000 dollar car... And why are we talking gas mileage anyway? The LS1 has been known to get 31 MPG on the highway...For a pushrod V8 Neanderthal vehicle that's pretty good.. And saying the LS1 doesn't have technology on it's side? Research a little people, it's amazing what technology get's put into even the pushrod engines... Ever heard of coil on plug ignition?
SuperHighOutput
03-02-2005, 05:16 PM
I absolutely love the WS6 Trans Ams. Props to the T/A for hanging as well as it did. The Merc is fast as hell, and stylish while doing it. Great race, with a couple of great cars.
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