honda, what the ****

Sorry but I hate those new honda elements. What were they thinking. Big dumb boxy looking things. Also I saw a commercial for the honda ridgeline...Dont even get me started. They call it a half ton truck but it only has a 250 hp engine. Ford, Chevy and Dodge all make over 300. I just dont think it stands a chance against the big boys. And it is just plain ugly.

If anyone agrees or disagrees please let me hear it.

Ya but their just comparing them to the little guys....If they were to compare against...o say...Dodge 1500,Ford 1500,Silverado....The Honda would be Crushed....I hope their not tryi nto compete with the big boys

sorry but if its the honda you'er talking about in the link provided by speedsteve then i can't say that i agree with you guys. First off it doesn't look too bad compared to all the new 4wd's coming into the market like the ugly ass hummer h2 SUT or Escalade or even the concept ford bronco.

Its got fairly decent power compared to its competition and as for it being put up against the chevys and dodge's, well thats not their target competition so i don't see why they should be compared with them. comparing the honda with the chevy's would be the same as comparing a V8 camaro with the v6 mustang. they're two different classes of cars.

the honda may not be pretty, but compared to its competitors i think it seems okay. 250hp for a v6, thats really not shabby at all.

the honda may not be pretty, but compared to its competitors i think it seems okay. 250hp for a v6, thats really not shabby at all.


Correctly! In Germany we say - do not compare apples with pears!

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Before saying the Element ugly, use your Geometry common sense, what shape makes the most interior volume? A Hemisphere or a Cube-shaped?

Before saying it's ugly, have you ever ride in one before?

It's ugly, so? The purpose of having a vehicle is to transport people and/or stuffs. Not showing it off, whoever likes to showoff with their vehicle, just take off their pants to drive, I'm sure they will attract the others' attention.

Oh, by the way, I would think the Ford Aerostar look much uglier than the Element, Thanks.

Yukihime is right that the box shape provides a lot more interior room, so I guess you can't say the car is useless. Sure it is ugly, but I could imagine the interior being quite comfortable. I wouldnt drive one though. I prefer to have a blend of good looks, and comfort. I think the new Nissan Quests are the ugliest thing around though. Even worse than the element.

Yukihime is right that the box shape provides a lot more interior room, so I guess you can't say the car is useless. Sure it is ugly, but I could imagine the interior being quite comfortable. I wouldnt drive one though. I prefer to have a blend of good looks, and comfort. I think the new Nissan Quests are the ugliest thing around though. Even worse than the element.
And I've rode in one before(My good friend has one), it never feel like it's that big from the outside. And I can stretch my legs straight even I was in the back seat(Something that can't be done even riding in my Dad's MDX). The only bad thing is that the rear doors are a pain...

And about the matter of good looks, IMO, it's just a personal preference. I do think the Element is a cool looking machine. :)

yeh the elemnt may be good for people that want to save fuel and have alot of spac, but i do think they are ugly. but there are uglyer ones, like Scion XB, Nissan Murano, and the Pontiac Aztec "dont know what they were thinking". As for the "Ridgeline".. idk i think its ugly and they kind of copyed the bed style off the Avalanche/Escalade EXT. You also cant haul or tow alot. i dont see this selling much but i can tell u one thing i see... the rednecks laughing at your for driving a honda pickup truck

http://automobiles.honda.com/new_models/ridgeline_compare.asp


In the commercials they say the ridgeline is a half ton truck like the ram, silverado, titan, and F150. Yet they compare it to midsize trucks. Yeah, it looks good compared to midsize, V6, non half ton trucks. Its like saying a sedan is a sports car and then comparing it to compact cars to make it look good.

As for those who think the H2's are ugly, I agree.

lol i sure do hope they reconsider there commercials if they said that. the honda will not out perform any of those trucks

Before saying the Element ugly, use your Geometry common sense, what shape makes the most interior volume? A Hemisphere or a Cube-shaped?

Before saying it's ugly, have you ever ride in one before?

It's ugly, so? The purpose of having a vehicle is to transport people and/or stuffs. Not showing it off, whoever likes to showoff with their vehicle, just take off their pants to drive, I'm sure they will attract the others' attention.

Oh, by the way, I would think the Ford Aerostar look much uglier than the Element, Thanks.

Thats a fucking tight reply.

And before say the Element is ugly, please look at the old folks that drive a Buick Rendezvous.

I would consider that as a much UGLIER vehicle than the Element.(And much more easier to flip over.)

yes we all kno they rendezevos is one ugly mutha. so is the azteck and the element is in the batch 2 so dont think were just bashing the element

I don't really like the looks of the ridgeline and I don't think it will compete very well with the midsize truck market unless it has a full size bed, in fact I dont really consider it a truck, just like I dont really consider the Avalanche a truck, it is an SUV. It doesnt stand a chance it the full size market. I think even if Honda does make a full size truck, it will have trouble competing with the domestics, because most full size truck drivers are brand loyal, they have bought the same brand for years and they wouldnt even consider buying something else.

yes we all kno they rendezevos is one ugly mutha. so is the azteck and the element is in the batch 2 so dont think were just bashing the element


So why ONLY beating the Element up? :sly:

what? i have no idea what you just said.

what? i have no idea what you just said.

So I don't understand why you people just say the Element is ugly, but not even mentioning the Rendezvous, or anything else. :sly:

well because the rendezvous wasnt the topic at hand the element and the ridgeline were

well because the rendezvous wasnt the topic at hand the element and the ridgeline were
I mean not only in this topic, in this whole section, people ONLY say xB, Element, and Aztec are ugly, I would think the Grand Cherokee and Cherokee are much uglier...

Elements have no apparent function: no 4wd, and they are HIDEOUS. They really are the ugliest car made right now, unless your a hippie. :smokin:

EDIT: Sorry, forgot about the xb. It takes the prize for ugliest car. Even when people sink money into, they just get worse! Now thats bad...

You don't have to be a hippie to appreciate the Element. Even if it is ugly as hell, anyone who appreciates a lot of space for cheap will like the car. I agree though, the xB is much uglier. I can't believe Toyota actually brought it over here, although it is selling very well for them. I honestly don't mind seeing all the riced-out xB's around, though - it's really funny when I beat them in my stock '96 Camry.

if the grand cherokee and cherokee are so ugly why are there a ton of them on the road. as you cans ee people like the looks. as for Xb's i really havent seen 1 drivin around yet. and the reasonw hy we bash those perticular cars so much is because they are just hideous anyday.

Elements have no apparent function: no 4wd, and they are HIDEOUS. They really are the ugliest car made right now, unless your a hippie. :smokin:

EDIT: Sorry, forgot about the xb. It takes the prize for ugliest car. Even when people sink money into, they just get worse! Now thats bad...
No 4WD, huh...?
Well, if you define 4WD is a manually operated system, you're right.
If 4WD means all 4 wheel drives, that's a different story.

if the grand cherokee and cherokee are so ugly why are there a ton of them on the road. as you cans ee people like the looks. as for Xb's i really havent seen 1 drivin around yet. and the reasonw hy we bash those perticular cars so much is because they are just hideous anyday.

You don't see them around. Reason #1, they are still new, only 2 years of production. Comparing some 10-20 years vehicles(Don't know how long of history it has, sorry about that.)? Reason #2, still remember the car commercials right after 9/11? Yes, so-called patriot idea, while some "U.S." automakers get some of their vehicle made in Mexico and Canada. You can tell by looking at the Taurus outselling the Camry in the early 90's. People tend to buy their own country's products. Even they know some of the competitors made better stuff. :nono:

not always did the competitors make better things.

Yeah, as much as I like the kind of cars Japan was making the early 90's, they didn't have the upperhand in every category. Their trucks and SUVs were pretty puny back then. They didn't have any true fullsize automobiles; the Camry and Accord were just getting out of their compact stage, and Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus were still fairly young. The early 90's Taurus was a pretty piss-poor automobile. My father owned one that he won on Wheel of Fortune, and it blew the tranny every 50K miles (like many other Tauruses from those years). It did have one bright spot, though: the Taurus SHO. This was the fastest sedan that you could get outside of a German luxury car at the time. You could get the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4, but it was more expensive and certainly more difficult to find, due to low production numbers and general lack of consumer interest.

The Element is what I call a marketing overkill, Honda tried to be cute and appeal to the masses of college punks and young adults with their clear message that says "Drive Element to be cool." PLEASE, it's sad that Honda has stooped so low for an automaker who was once burning so bright with NSX and Integra. The Ridgeline fiasco just solidifies the fact the Honda has become a sellout market whore, and abandoned the sports car market full of purists behind the dust. F U C K you Honda, I'll never buy a stupid Ridgeline.

I will take Element anyday over Pacer or Aztek.

In the commercials they say the ridgeline is a half ton truck like the ram, silverado, titan, and F150. Yet they compare it to midsize trucks. Yeah, it looks good compared to midsize, V6, non half ton trucks. Its like saying a sedan is a sports car and then comparing it to compact cars to make it look good.

As for those who think the H2's are ugly, I agree.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe the ridgeline IS in fact a midsize truck that is competing against such midsized trucks as the colorado/tacoma/ranger, Only difference is it is capable of hauling 1/2 ton like the big boys? therefore its not trying to compete against full size 1/2 tons and getting beat but rather going after the smaller trucks and beating them because it is almost as capable as a full size. see what i'm saying here, you're looking at the situation backwards.

Yeah it can haul 1100 lbs. so what? The dakota can haul 1700. The dakota and colorado call themselves midsize trucks. Besides, my main argument was that they are ugly. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

See, I don't understand you people...
Ugly, so? If it is ugly, that's only your opinion, no one point a gun at your head to force you buy it. It's none of your business if it is ugly. And what really counts in a vehicle is its usefulness, not the look. For those who buy these vehicle, they are not looking at a Ferrari, and they know that. Because they want something that will be useful to them, not a show car. For those of you who think the outlook is more important than the actual use of the vehicle, I would highly recommend you to buy a nice looking car and try to haul 5 people where the car has only 2 seats.
As I've said in another thread before, if you want a car to show off, you can take any car to do it, but just take off your pants and open wide the door to show off. I'm sure you get a lot more attention than driving an Exotic sports car.

You are right. It is just an opinion. Also, I believe that usefullness and looks should go hand in hand together in todays cars.
I never said the element or ridgeline weren't useful, just ugly.

Ugly...look at the 2004 F150...it's uglier than the 2003 too...
Look at those Rendezvous too...

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=323434&page_number=2

Read the part and watch the video about the ridgeline vs f150.
" the Ridgeline will actually outaccelerate the 5.4L F150 to 60mph in a 5000lb towing duel. On the roll, the Ridgeline did seem to hold the edge in terms of merging power, but I have no instrumented figures to back that up. When it came time to steer the rig, the Ridgeline definitely held the edge in terms of stability, with basically none of the lateral instability that the F150 exhibited. I was hesitant to go much faster than maybe 45-50mph around the long turns with the trailer, not knowing the limits of the trailer's lateral grip, but the Ridgeline felt extremely stable at these cornering speeds."

Man it seems like the Ridgeline got crushed. Hardly.

"Word has it that the Ridgeline will actually outaccelerate the 5.4L F150 to 60mph in a 5000lb towing duel, but that feat was not demonstrated to us, so that will remain a rumor for now."

That was taken out of that article. Where was this video?

The Ridgeline is closest to a "concept" truck in production yet. That's really all that there is to it.

I say, take the old with the new. the Corvette was new and weird in '53. Who knows exactly where the idea came from to make a car like that, but is an icon now.

dont jump the gun there rollin. i highly doubt the ridgeline will ever become a icon and also, never compare a vette to a honda its just not right

dont jump the gun there rollin. i highly doubt the ridgeline will ever become a icon and also, never compare a vette to a honda its just not right
Not even an NSX-R? :rolleyes:

yeah.... never compare a honda to corvette... hondas are far too good.

My point was less about a particular car, and more related to an openness to new ideas.
The Public wasn't necessarily ready for the Corvette in '53. The idea of a small, fiberglass-bodied car didn't fare well- sales in '53-'54 weren't all that good.
Why? I'm guessing that a small car then didn't fit our ideas about what a status vehicle should have been. Then, bigger meant more advanced, more luxurious, more expensive. TheCorvette was initially introduced as an "affordable" car, and the use of fiberglass was intended to cut initial tooling and build costs.
In the early 50's, the Corvette was an innovation that wasn't all that well received. It took the performance of an overhead valve, fuel-injected V8 for people to catch on to what the 'Vette was all about.

Now, almost everyone knows what the Corvette is a bout, and what it stands for.

NO, a blocky, unibody 4-door truck isn't a Corvette...it never will be. It probably won't ever even be considered "Classic", but it is a definitive step towards where most other passenger trucks wiil be soon heading.

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My two cents is basically this, yes it's ugly as ugly as an Avalanche or Escalade! The Element is ugly yes as ugly as a Scion (the box one) and whatever GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Nissan will answer with. Buick Rendezvous were extremely ugly and look at anything made by Cadillac and Nissan their entire line-ups are ugly. Now given the choice of a brand new F150 or a Honda Ridgeline, F150 hands down more truck better looking just plain better. As far as the Ridgeline goes it's a great truck for people who hate trucks, my fear is that it will sell and that Ford, GM, Chrysler and even Toyota, and Nissan will say "Hey we can make a gay truck too." and all trucks will become front drive based (Yes I know all wheel, I mean transverse engine etc.) and there will be no more trucks for those of us who love trucks. PS. I love being able to tell the American and Japanese biases from truck posts, American biased people forget that Toyota and Nissan make good fullsize trucks to compare with the Honda as well I'd buy a Titan or Tundra before a Ridgeline anyday. Though I think the Titan is almost as ugly as stated before it's usefullness makes it better than the Ridgeline. To the Japanese biased posters I say when you bash fullsize SUVs like Tahoes, Expeditions and the like don't forget the models from Toyota and Nissan as well.