Normally aspirated...
b-b00gie
06-30-2001, 06:59 PM
well in the "where to get an SR20DET" thread, they've started getting into the topic of overhauling DE's and DET's...
not to get off topic there, i'm wondering... what in god's name do they do to the BTCC Primera's to get them 300hp??? These cars are normally aspirated which means... no turbos.
just wondering how they get that much hp out of a 4 cylinder engine, and how much labor and money is involved in doing so...
i have a feeling my buddy George will have lots to say here... lol :)
not to get off topic there, i'm wondering... what in god's name do they do to the BTCC Primera's to get them 300hp??? These cars are normally aspirated which means... no turbos.
just wondering how they get that much hp out of a 4 cylinder engine, and how much labor and money is involved in doing so...
i have a feeling my buddy George will have lots to say here... lol :)
primera man
06-30-2001, 10:51 PM
I have no idea what they would do to get that sort of HP, but i would say you would need a whole heap of cash..
I await with interest as well........
I await with interest as well........
P10DET
07-01-2001, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by b-b00gie
well in the "where to get an SR20DET" thread, they've started getting into the topic of overhauling DE's and DET's...
not to get off topic there, i'm wondering... what in god's name do they do to the BTCC Primera's to get them 300hp??? These cars are normally aspirated which means... no turbos.
just wondering how they get that much hp out of a 4 cylinder engine, and how much labor and money is involved in doing so...
i have a feeling my buddy George will have lots to say here... lol :)
Yep. :D
In addition to wild port and came work......
They start with a GTi-R block. They turn the head around! Yep, you heard me. They turn the head around so the intake manifold is at the front of the car and the exhaust is at the firewall.
Remember that they only have to run well within a very narrow rev range. So they have huge ports with wild cams that require the engine to idle at 2-3k!
I think they also run something like 13:1 compression. It may even be a little higher than this.
What they basically do is easy to say. What they do specifically is rather secret.
well in the "where to get an SR20DET" thread, they've started getting into the topic of overhauling DE's and DET's...
not to get off topic there, i'm wondering... what in god's name do they do to the BTCC Primera's to get them 300hp??? These cars are normally aspirated which means... no turbos.
just wondering how they get that much hp out of a 4 cylinder engine, and how much labor and money is involved in doing so...
i have a feeling my buddy George will have lots to say here... lol :)
Yep. :D
In addition to wild port and came work......
They start with a GTi-R block. They turn the head around! Yep, you heard me. They turn the head around so the intake manifold is at the front of the car and the exhaust is at the firewall.
Remember that they only have to run well within a very narrow rev range. So they have huge ports with wild cams that require the engine to idle at 2-3k!
I think they also run something like 13:1 compression. It may even be a little higher than this.
What they basically do is easy to say. What they do specifically is rather secret.
b-b00gie
07-01-2001, 01:40 AM
hmm...
well are there any known non-*TCC cars that are normally aspirated and have huge hp? has anyone attempted something like a BTCC engine?
what would the cost comparison be between a 300hp Turbo SR20 or a 300hp normally aspirated SR20??
well are there any known non-*TCC cars that are normally aspirated and have huge hp? has anyone attempted something like a BTCC engine?
what would the cost comparison be between a 300hp Turbo SR20 or a 300hp normally aspirated SR20??
P10DET
07-01-2001, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by b-b00gie
hmm...
well are there any known non-*TCC cars that are normally aspirated and have huge hp? has anyone attempted something like a BTCC engine?
You mean by a non-racer? No. For one thing it wouldn't even be close to streetable. Remember that the BTCC engine idles at 2-3k rpm. It's probably a pretty lump idle as well. And forget passing any sort of smog check. That engine probably has a 2k rpm operating range. I don't remember the redline on the engine, but you can be sure it's well above 8k.
Oh, and I forgot to mention a custom short runner intake manifold.
Originally posted by b-b00gie
what would the cost comparison be between a 300hp Turbo SR20 or a 300hp normally aspirated SR20??
It's a whole order of magnitude difference. I could build a 300 bhp turbo SR20 for under $5k pretty easily. The BTCC engines run around $30-50k.
My SE-R engine (same as Mike Kojima's Project SE-R engine from SCC) cost around $6k. Mike is making right around 200 bhp. There should be more streetable hp available, but Mike seems to have run into a wall that he hasn't been able to figure out yet.
My new SE-R engine should make a fair bit more hp than that, but it's waiting for JWT to get working on it.
hmm...
well are there any known non-*TCC cars that are normally aspirated and have huge hp? has anyone attempted something like a BTCC engine?
You mean by a non-racer? No. For one thing it wouldn't even be close to streetable. Remember that the BTCC engine idles at 2-3k rpm. It's probably a pretty lump idle as well. And forget passing any sort of smog check. That engine probably has a 2k rpm operating range. I don't remember the redline on the engine, but you can be sure it's well above 8k.
Oh, and I forgot to mention a custom short runner intake manifold.
Originally posted by b-b00gie
what would the cost comparison be between a 300hp Turbo SR20 or a 300hp normally aspirated SR20??
It's a whole order of magnitude difference. I could build a 300 bhp turbo SR20 for under $5k pretty easily. The BTCC engines run around $30-50k.
My SE-R engine (same as Mike Kojima's Project SE-R engine from SCC) cost around $6k. Mike is making right around 200 bhp. There should be more streetable hp available, but Mike seems to have run into a wall that he hasn't been able to figure out yet.
My new SE-R engine should make a fair bit more hp than that, but it's waiting for JWT to get working on it.
G-Forces
07-01-2001, 05:26 PM
I was a HUGE fan of BTCC when Nissan was winning. ;) Anyway if you've ever heard those cars coming into the pits you'd understand why you'd never want to drive one on the streets. The idle sounds worse than a farm tractor! :alien:
b-b00gie
07-01-2001, 06:08 PM
hehe ok ok.. i can dream cant I?? :rolleyes:
G22DET
07-02-2001, 01:46 AM
P10DET...actually the compression ratio ont he BTCCs Primera are 14:1 so that makes it even more insane and amazing, i also believe they are variable timing motors as well, but not too certain on it.
anyway, it's IMPOSSIBLE to replicate that motor for street use because, first of all, even if you win the lottery, no one in the US would know how.....
anyway, it's IMPOSSIBLE to replicate that motor for street use because, first of all, even if you win the lottery, no one in the US would know how.....
Kenny-G
07-02-2001, 02:56 AM
....and even you got one of those motor somehow....everytime you need to fill up the tank you need to go....get racing gas.
primera man
07-02-2001, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by P10DET
They start with a GTi-R block. They turn the head around! Yep, you heard me. They turn the head around so the intake manifold is at the front of the car and the exhaust is at the firewall.
That is unreal !!!!:eek: .......i had to read it 2-3 times to see if my eyes are OK :D :D
So what is the idea in doing it ??
Is it a quick way to up compression ??
They start with a GTi-R block. They turn the head around! Yep, you heard me. They turn the head around so the intake manifold is at the front of the car and the exhaust is at the firewall.
That is unreal !!!!:eek: .......i had to read it 2-3 times to see if my eyes are OK :D :D
So what is the idea in doing it ??
Is it a quick way to up compression ??
b-b00gie
07-02-2001, 06:51 AM
i had actually read that before too... that they start w/ a GTI-R (DET) and basically remove the turbo.. thats why i was wondering what they do to get so much HP. btw, they arent variable valve...
P10DET
07-02-2001, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by primera man
That is unreal !!!!:eek: .......i had to read it 2-3 times to see if my eyes are OK :D :D
So what is the idea in doing it ??
Is it a quick way to up compression ??
It's done so the air flows in the front and the exhaust exits the rear. Compression is easy. There are several methods to do it. I imagine Nissan employs reshaped combustion chambers to help with quench (this provides denation resistance), domed pistons, and shaved cylinder heads. I'm just guessing though.
The really unreal thing about turning the head around is the area for the chain. That whole bit must be remanufactured! :eek:
That is unreal !!!!:eek: .......i had to read it 2-3 times to see if my eyes are OK :D :D
So what is the idea in doing it ??
Is it a quick way to up compression ??
It's done so the air flows in the front and the exhaust exits the rear. Compression is easy. There are several methods to do it. I imagine Nissan employs reshaped combustion chambers to help with quench (this provides denation resistance), domed pistons, and shaved cylinder heads. I'm just guessing though.
The really unreal thing about turning the head around is the area for the chain. That whole bit must be remanufactured! :eek:
primera man
07-02-2001, 07:11 AM
Cheers for that....i can see now just how much money they must pour into these cars :eek:
GtRider
09-28-2001, 01:32 AM
About how much HP CAN YOU GET IF U HAVE
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
ty423
09-28-2001, 02:55 AM
I love this setup..
ty423
09-28-2001, 02:56 AM
Ouch
ty423
09-28-2001, 02:57 AM
Another
P10DET
09-28-2001, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by GtRider
About how much HP CAN YOU GET IF U HAVE
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
Well, I did all that except the TB (it does nothing for hp), as well as 1mm larger pistons, reshaped combustion chambers, piston coatings, and of course balancing. Same engine as Mike Kojima's Project SE-R from SCC. He's making 200 hp.
Cost......... about $6,000.
About how much HP CAN YOU GET IF U HAVE
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
Well, I did all that except the TB (it does nothing for hp), as well as 1mm larger pistons, reshaped combustion chambers, piston coatings, and of course balancing. Same engine as Mike Kojima's Project SE-R from SCC. He's making 200 hp.
Cost......... about $6,000.
pche059
09-28-2001, 09:44 AM
Why don't s try building your own machine in GT2
:p
:)
:p
:)
primera man
09-28-2001, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by pche059
Why don't s try building your own machine in GT2
:p
:)
I bet Matt Neal had wished that :p :p , after smashing his primera up in the pics posted by Ty423
Why don't s try building your own machine in GT2
:p
:)
I bet Matt Neal had wished that :p :p , after smashing his primera up in the pics posted by Ty423
JJr
09-30-2001, 04:05 PM
Besides the modifications already listed I can only think of 2 off hand. Nissan incorporated 2 injectors per cylinder and a dry-sump lubrication system for efficiency and to reduce windage loss on the crank. I have 4 pictures of the engine but they are to big to attach.
oecben
10-06-2001, 09:17 PM
JJR posted:
I have 4 pictures of the engine but they are to big to attach.
Why didn't you just post the link where they are :
here (http://www.se-r.net/multimedia/pictures/300hp_na_sr20/index.html)
And there are small versions there...I made several sizes
I have 4 pictures of the engine but they are to big to attach.
Why didn't you just post the link where they are :
here (http://www.se-r.net/multimedia/pictures/300hp_na_sr20/index.html)
And there are small versions there...I made several sizes
GtRider
10-15-2001, 11:29 PM
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
so you can get about 200hp from all of the mods?
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
so you can get about 200hp from all of the mods?
P10DET
10-15-2001, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by GtRider
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
so you can get about 200hp from all of the mods?
No. First of all the larger TB will net you a grand total of nothing.
The intake must be a CAI.
Not just any port and polish. I have a DPR Stage VI head. Don't forget a very good valve job. Also 11:1 compression and an additional 50cc of displacement. The pistons have Swain coatings.
You've forgotten balancing and ECU as well. Of course the ECU is required for the 11:1 compression. And don't forget dyno tuning.
INTAKE
EXHAUST
HEADERS
UNDERDRIVE PULLEY KIT
CAMGEARS
CAM
FLYWHEEL
PORT AND POLISH HEAD
BIGGER THROTTLE BODY
so you can get about 200hp from all of the mods?
No. First of all the larger TB will net you a grand total of nothing.
The intake must be a CAI.
Not just any port and polish. I have a DPR Stage VI head. Don't forget a very good valve job. Also 11:1 compression and an additional 50cc of displacement. The pistons have Swain coatings.
You've forgotten balancing and ECU as well. Of course the ECU is required for the 11:1 compression. And don't forget dyno tuning.
T4 Primera
10-16-2001, 12:00 AM
Has anyone given the JUN stroker kit consideration ... but then it wouldn't be a SR20DE I suppose ... maybe an SR22DE??
Probably much cheaper to do the DET than the JUN stroker kit anyways.:rolleyes:
Probably much cheaper to do the DET than the JUN stroker kit anyways.:rolleyes:
P10DET
10-16-2001, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by T4 Primera
Has anyone given the JUN stroker kit consideration ... but then it wouldn't be a SR20DE I suppose ... maybe an SR22DE??
Probably much cheaper to do the DET than the JUN stroker kit anyways.:rolleyes:
:hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe:
You can say that again. The JUN stroker kit is $5,000 US just for the parts! :eek:
Has anyone given the JUN stroker kit consideration ... but then it wouldn't be a SR20DE I suppose ... maybe an SR22DE??
Probably much cheaper to do the DET than the JUN stroker kit anyways.:rolleyes:
:hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe: :hehehe:
You can say that again. The JUN stroker kit is $5,000 US just for the parts! :eek:
G-Forces
10-16-2001, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by P10DET
The JUN stroker kit is $5,000 US just for the parts! :eek:
Man I wish I had more money than I knew what to do with. :(
Turbo'ing a stroked SR20 would be sweet! :D:D:D
The JUN stroker kit is $5,000 US just for the parts! :eek:
Man I wish I had more money than I knew what to do with. :(
Turbo'ing a stroked SR20 would be sweet! :D:D:D
G22DET
10-16-2001, 01:19 PM
u mean like a SR22DET? hehehe...that would be nice :D
autofixation
04-13-2009, 12:02 PM
I haven't heard anyone mention ITB's. That is one of the first things I want to do to my SE-R. I want to build an NA motor but am debating on staying grey top, or going NA red top or black top. I picked up a 93 for $500 something is wrong with the engine but the body, interior and everything else is in good condition. $500!!
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