Opinions On New System

Aright fellas i just finished replacing the cylinder head to my car, Took 6 days( 6 Sundays lol ) i guess its alright though since im just 15 and this was my first tine working under the hood. Now its time to start the really business of putting my system together. I want opinions if you guys think this system will kick ass. (FINGERS CROSSED) BEEN SAVING UP A LONG, LONG, LONG time lol.

HU:Pioneer Avh-p7500dvd
Front stage: Re Components
Subs: Two 15 SE's 10cuft ported
Enclosure: Gonna go with a custom fiberglased ported enclosure, in the back of a wagon.
Rear Stage( FIBER GLASSED): 4 hifonics 6.5 component speakers, the ones that light up :) (these are just for show, and usually wont be on)
Battery: Optima Yellow top 75/25
Big three wiring
2 headrest monitors.
175 amp alternator swap.
Hifonics bd1800x mono
(2X) hifonics 4400x Amps
Tow rear 7.5 inch monitors fiberglass enclosure.
Wiring 0 Gauge to distributor, and then 2-4 gauge to the amps.

Does this sound good. Any flaws? Suggestions?

damn dude if this is your first setup then youre way the hell ahead of most people.. (for example look at my 1st setup in my sig hah).. didnt study it or anything but looks awesome to me

way too much into the substage, not nearly enough into the front stage, JMO

What do you suggest for front stage?

I'd give the RE components 150rms per side, and seal the 15 SE's. Then you be even, ALSO components in the rear are a NO NO! I personally (along with many people) DON'T use rear fill, if anything use ONE set of coaxials powered off you HU. peace

NG

to have a balanced system?

at least some ported 8's in door pods, if you don't want to build door pods then maybe an active setup with re xxx or adire extremis mids and maybe lpg tweets

I'd give the RE components 150rms per side, and seal the 15 SE's. Then you be even

lol, your definition of even is VERY different than mine ;)

but i wont be able to get as loud with the sealed than i would with the port, and why are components a NO NO?

ok wait getting confused, but i think the best way to go will be just upgrading to the xxx components. Could i still port the subs if i do this?

ok wait getting confused, but i think the best way to go will be just upgrading to the xxx components. Could i still port the subs if i do this?


xxx components won't be out for quite a while

the mids are available, but in order to use them you're going to need to go active (2 separate amps on the front stage, one on the mids and one on the tweets). Same goes for the adire extremis.

by when might the mids be out? i can wait like up to another 6 months if i have too, give me more time to save up for the upgrade

the mids are already out, but the full component set won't be out for many months

cant i run the mids and the tweets on the a same 4 channel amp, or do they have to be different. and how does that work, the tweets are on one channel and the mids on another? sounds wierd

wut other tweets are good, can i get links to them please

cant i run the mids and the tweets on the a same 4 channel amp, or do they have to be different. and how does that work, the tweets are on one channel and the mids on another? sounds wierd

yes that's how you would do it, and if the amp's crossovers can't go up to ~2-4khz then you would need an active crossover

lpg tweets are nice from what I hear

xxx components won't be out for quite a while

the mids are available, but in order to use them you're going to need to go active (2 separate amps on the front stage, one on the mids and one on the tweets). Same goes for the adire extremis.

Not necessarily! :)

I'm getting a pair of Adire Extremis mids, sending them off to Madisound...they are matching them with an Adire Recommended 1" Vifa Textile dome neodymium tweeter and designing custom passive xovers for me :) then they'll be powered with 250 rms per side :)

NG

alright, ignoring custom madisound passives, you'd need to go active ;)

Link to lpg?

Here's what I would do...... First off port them screw going sealed.... but do 8 cubes NET not 10. Also the part where your front stage will be lacking is in deep midbass and near crossover points so IF you wanna use the RE comp set I would get a pair of Koda 8's or something to run between the subs and 6.5's. And DO NOT send the RE component set 150wrms per side because if you do you will no longer have an RE component set. HOWEVER if you cross them over higher you can send a little more then rms since you won't run the risk of damaging the 6.5 in the lower midbass region. As far as how much power.... talk to RE but 100 per side shouldn't be a problem if xed over high.

Aright well im trying to interwind your guyses opinion to get the best thing i can out of this system. I think im gonna get the xxx 6.5s in the front and lpg tweets (CAN I GET LINK TO LPG PLEASE), powered by two hifonics zx4000 specs are:

2 x 100 Watts @ 4 Ohms
2 x 200 Watts @ 2 Ohms
1 x 400 Watts @ 4 Ohms
Bass remote with blue LED power on & indicator included
Ultra Fi Mosfets
Zeus EXVP
Hifonics Surface mount design
Fully adjustable accu-cross X-overs
PWM mosfet power supply
Line output for amp daisy chaining
Variable Bass EQ
Sub-sonic filter
4 gauge power connectors
Class AB operation
Maxi fuse

Then for the rear doors im gonna go with bumping on the kodas. Build custom fiberglass enclosure for the doors, and should i port these or not. Actaully can i even do this, because mounting depth is 4 inches and not sure if i can properly fit them into the rear doors? If i cant, where else can i put them? Do i need pair of tweets for these too? And what amp(s) should i run them with.

Finally in the rear gonna have the two se15's ported with 8cuft total, running of a hifonics bx1800d amp.

Sound good?

lpg (http://www.madisound.com/lpg.html)
if you get the xxx in the front, you won't need rears

and remember, unless you get custom passives you're going to need an active crossover

Ok couple of questions.

1. What model tweet should i get from lpg?

2. IF i still choose to run the kodas will the quality get any worse? I have no problem spending the extra cash , its mostly for show.

3. Should i run tweeters with the kodas as well?

4. Are the Hifonics zx4000 Amps it talked about above good for the xxx 6.5s and tweets?

5. Can i run the kodas on another zx4000 amp?

6. Can someone recomend a good acitve crossover? And please expalin how it works, liek whut plugs in where and how the whole thing works? Phoenix Gold TX406, is it any good?

1 - if you like aggressive/bright tweets then 26NA, if you like more laid back tweets then 25NFA

2 - yes, having full range speakers in the back will drag the soundstage to the rear of the car and create unnecessary cancellation

3 - imo you shouldn't have anything in the rear at all, if you want some for extra midbass then no tweets, if you want a full set for show then yes tweets

4 - should work well

5 - sure

6 - there are a TON, arc, tru, linear power, just about any mainstream brand, audiocontrol, etc. The best one IMO is the Alpine h701, but it's expensive and has a LOT more than just a crossover. You would run rcas from the headunit to the crossover's input, then rcas from the crossover's outputs to the amps. It basically takes the input and splits up the frequencies so the tweets get the highs and the mids get the lows. It does the same thing as the normal passive crossovers that come with component sets, except it works on the input side of the amps instead of the output side, which means it can be used for any mids, any tweets, any crossover point, etc. With passives you can't change anything, if you swap speakers it screws up the crossover point, you can't adjust the crossover point or slope to match your tastes....you can't do anything. With an active setup you can adjust it all, but with added flexibility comes added responsibility. If you don't know what you're doing you can easily destroy your tweets, or you could just end up with a crappy sound. It will take a lot of time to set it up so it sounds right, and I mean a LOT of time. I've probably spent close to 30 hours of dedicated tuning time with my system, plus I'm constantly tuning it as I drive (probably not the best idea). It's definitely not for the person that just wants to plug it in and have it work.

Ok couple of questions.

1. What model tweet should i get from lpg?

2. IF i still choose to run the kodas will the quality get any worse? I have no problem spending the extra cash , its mostly for show.

3. Should i run tweeters with the kodas as well?

4. Are the Hifonics zx4000 Amps it talked about above good for the xxx 6.5s and tweets?

5. Can i run the kodas on another zx4000 amp?

6. Can someone recomend a good acitve crossover? And please expalin how it works, liek whut plugs in where and how the whole thing works? Phoenix Gold TX406, is it any good?
Why not just get a nice set of componets and stop trying to guess what you need to do? I like these http://directed.com/audio/speakers/default.asp in componets. If you choose, you can buy just the tweeter but a package deal works so much better. Also, at some shows(if you plan to enter) you get more points if you have a matching system.

LOL that compnent set will in no way shape or form come mear keping up with his substage.

Why not just get a nice set of componets and stop trying to guess what you need to do? I like these http://directed.com/audio/speakers/default.asp in componets. If you choose, you can buy just the tweeter but a package deal works so much better. Also, at some shows(if you plan to enter) you get more points if you have a matching system.

LOL that compnent set will in no way shape or form come mear keping up with his substage.

Yeah, quit whoring out you piece of shit products...

NG

PS: In all honesty, this is TOO complicated for a first system...period. You should check out the CDT HD62 components, amp them with 150-300 watts rms per side and call it a day. Hit up aim: djdilliodon
He is an authorized CDT dealer, tell him Noah (ngsm13) sent ya!

PS: In all honesty, this is TOO complicated for a first system...period. You should check out the CDT HD62 components, amp them with 150-300 watts rms per side and call it a day.

yeah you might be right

I just hate it when a system is all subs and nothing else, and without an extreme front stage that's probably how this one will end up....just like all the rest. :(

yeah you might be right

I just hate it when a system is all subs and nothing else, and without an extreme front stage that's probably how this one will end up....just like all the rest. :(

Those CDT HD's will do the trick, GREAT midbass from those...and you can lay on the power for even more!

NG

whut u be takin...directedaudio iz Dshiznit'
lmao :lol2:

You are making this too complicated. if you really want to go custom IMO Port the Re's or get another RE componet set and build you some kickpanels. the extremisis is a nice midbass woofer.

depending on how you like your music you may not need to do anything. i have REcomponet sets on the way and after i dig into my doors to see how much space i have i will decided wether i will be going sealed or ported. either way an RE componet set with 100w to each side will be masicured by an XXX18 with ~1500w. but i am going to have an EQ that has memory settings. one setting for rock, as in turning down the bass, and one for rap/hiphop/technobass....ie for when i feel like making my rear window move 1" P2P. after i get tired of 100w and 1500w i will be moving up to 2500w and 200w with XXX mid bass drivers. maybe RE will have amps by then and i will have an all RE system except for EQ and head unit (hopefully i will keep the OEM HU)

PS
thoes xovers look cheaper than RE Xovers...

PSS
and now that ive looked at thoes woofers they are worse than i thought. wow 32mm P2P big friggen deal. XXX doubles that.
"Directed Audio, Slams harder than ever"
seems like they are taking the audiobahn/MTX route of advertising.
"Optimized for small sealed enclsoures"
what does that mean children? loose suspension and weak motors :loser:
and it wasnt long ago you where getting on my ass about likeing RE? :rofl:
i want to hear some of this stuff so then i can decide wether or not i can really start bashing it. :uhoh: know anybody in north florida that has some?

Well Id rather wait longer and go all the way. This is not really my first time workin with a system, ive done installs in my neighbors and friends cars like for 1.5 years now. ITs just that it hasnet been this tricked out, usually just the hu, sealed subs, and coax speakers. I dont want to regret my purchase, and pay more to get beetter after some time, plus im gonna take my time on it, im only 15 and a half and prolly wont be able drive the car until im like 17. I bought this as a project car so i can carry time out as long as i need to. Im just trying to plan out everything to be able to be able to save up more and more. Plus i live somewhere where the people get really jelaous of what you have and try to beat u by buying like 100 subs to put in the back of their escalade with their parents money. (LOL ALLITLE EXAGERATION ON THE 100 SUBS). I dont like to be beat! Ive decided to wait it out now until hopefully the xxx components will come out by the end of this year. Im might get two sets and buil kicker panels. Till then ill just be workin on the exterior of the car :(... ANYONE HAVE AN ESTIMATE, like WHAT MONTH, THE XXX COMPONENTS WILL BE OUT, AND PLEASE DONT TELL ME IT MIGHT BE MONTHS, I ALREADY KNOW THAT. LOL

Hell no better to go all out the first time instead of upgrading.... btw I'd go Koda's over HD62's reviews say the midbass is mucho better.

Ya prolly just gonna wait it out longer till the xxx components come out, then prolly put one set in rear doors, and on in front, or put both in front with kickpannels. ANY IDEAS ON WHEN THE XXX COMPS WILL BE OUT?

Ya prolly just gonna wait it out longer till the xxx components come out, then prolly put one set in rear doors, and on in front, or put both in front with kickpannels. ANY IDEAS ON WHEN THE XXX COMPS WILL BE OUT?

NOBODY FUCKING KNOW WHEN THEY WILL BE OUT!!!! IF EVER!!!! ONLY DAVID @ RE AND A FEW OTHERS PROLLY!!!

Also, DO NOT put components in the rear...fucks up your imaging! Nice powered components up front will be enough... IF YOU INSIST on rear fill get some coaxials...peace

NG

If u want xxx's buy the 6.5.....its out now.... then get someone to build u up a xover and get some tweets.

If u want xxx's buy the 6.5.....its out now.... then get someone to build u up a xover and get some tweets.

shhhhh,....we've already been over this


Check out the CDT HD's and the Adire Koda Components...

NG

???? The xxx 6.5's have been out.

???? The xxx 6.5's have been out.

yeah...and....

NG

xxx6.5's have been out for a while. they where even part of the Soundillusions group buy. $179 for a pair. orders are being processed as i type this and shipping begins next monday... which means i may have my componets in by spring break...

xxx6.5's have been out for a while. they where even part of the Soundillusions group buy. $179 for a pair. orders are being processed as i type this and shipping begins next monday... which means i may have my componets in by spring break...

yeah...i know...

They have been out for months...my point was...why was mike saying that...

NG

PS: remember, i know all ;) :)

Why the hell is putting the active crossover( using the xxx 6.5s and lpg tweets complicated)? I mean sure it takes time, but its not hard or impossible, i do have time on my hands and want this system to be best, and i dont want to think to myslef l8er, what would have the system been like if i got the xxx's? It really doesnt matter to me if it take a month to acuratelly tune them, its not like ill be driving it anytime soon. All i need to know now is out of the three, koda compnents, cdt hd's and xxx 6.5s, which have the best quality in midrange area? which one out of the three is the best?

Well, since this is a huge IN THE FUTURE THREAD...that has NOTHING to do with anything at the immediate time (since you're 15...and don't has SHIT TONS of money) then it doesn't matter. Go with whatever you feel comfortable with.

In all honesty, I'm sure by the time you ACTUALLY get around to this stuff...there will be something else EVER BETTER out. So keep that in mind. peace

NG

Ya well i took that into consideration to and i understand where ur coming from, but i doubt much will change by the end of this year/beggining of next. If you havent noticed, production on anything these days is being constanteley delayed and delayed and set back for some odd reason. I just wanna make sure which brands and what products of theirs will suit me best. I actually like to compare the old models to the new and see if the new ones of certain products are acutally better, because nowadays manufactururs, as i said earlier, delay thing, and once then really come around to production, they wanna zip through it no matter wut just to get the product on the shelf.

Ya well i took that into consideration to and i understand where ur coming from, but i doubt much will change by the end of this year/beggining of next

I wouldn't be so sure ;)

Adire is supposedly working on 2 separate component sets to replace the kodas (one of which is supposed to compete with the xxx set, maybe a 4ohm extremis?). Plus Ascendant has a 6.5 that should prove to be a worthy competitor, and I'm sure there will be more on top of that.

I wouldn't be so sure ;)

Adire is supposedly working on 2 separate component sets to replace the kodas (one of which is supposed to compete with the xxx set, maybe a 4ohm extremis?). Plus Ascendant has a 6.5 that should prove to be a worthy competitor, and I'm sure there will be more on top of that.

Another company is also coming out with a KILLER component set ;) :) (which i even had the pleasure of fondling in my hands)

TONS of stuff is happening this year...TONS!!!!!!

NG

Also, when i talked to adire...no plans on 4ohm extremis as of yet. :(

Yes very killer indeed....... Wait definately before you buy

Another company is also coming out with a KILLER component set ;) :) (which i even had the pleasure of fondling in my hands)

TONS of stuff is happening this year...TONS!!!!!!

NG

Also, when i talked to adire...no plans on 4ohm extremis as of yet. :(


Yep, I loved the new Directed Audio componets that I saw at the SEMA show. Luckily I scored a set before they were actually due to be out. If you are going to buy soon, I'd wait atleast until mid March because that's usually when most makers are shipping new products. You have to be carefull though. Some makers just change the colors and badging on their stuff. So, you'd be paying more just for the new look.

Is it me or didnt we just clear up that directed audios components sux?

Is it me or didnt we just clear up that directed audios components sux?

yup, sure did...we HATE directed whores...

NG

Oh little boys, take it easy. Ignorance is the worst disease.

Ignorance is the worst disease.

you should listen to yourself

Have you heard anything otherr then directed? I'm not gunna come on here and say tis the worst shit ever but DAMN there's a lot out there that is a hell of a lot better....... not to mention for a better price then what u could get directed for at a shop.

Have you heard anything otherr then directed? I'm not gunna come on here and say tis the worst shit ever but DAMN there's a lot out there that is a hell of a lot better....... not to mention for a better price then what u could get directed for at a shop.

Yup, all we're saying is quit WHORING out directed like it's your dirty mother.

NG

Have you heard anything otherr then directed? I'm not gunna come on here and say tis the worst shit ever but DAMN there's a lot out there that is a hell of a lot better....... not to mention for a better price then what u could get directed for at a shop.

Yep, sure do. Look and listen to plenty each year at the SEMA show. FYI I sell Earthquake, Orion, Phoenix Gold, Clarion Pro,MacIntosh, and everyone's fav AudioBahn amps and subs. Out of all of these, Directed seems to be the most consumer friendly. They seem to work the best in simple systems and have the best warranties. The thing I personally love is that I can program the amps with my laptop or Tech2 programmer for all parameters like gain or crossover points. Then when I am done, I can render the controls on the side of them useless so idiots don't screw with the controls. It's great when I think the buyer is a knob.

Also, if they are teamed up with a DEI alarm, I can connect them together so if the amp is stolen, it won't work unless it is taken to a Directed dealer.

Above all of that, they really rock. They are seriously under rated and have since the day they came out. I remember back in '96 when I first carried DEI stuff and thought they looked ugly and pretty weak. DEI's thoughts were to make good product that had great sound quality. They didn't care about wattages or SPL. To this day, they've done that and also happened to make SPL worthy products too. Also, they've finally made some nice looking product too.

Seriously though, why does it seem you all flame me more that those touting AudioBahn shit? Remember, we are open to state are ideas and shouldn't be flamed for it.

I know I haven't been on here very long, but who touts audiobahn?

Because your a dealer who's been in the industry. Your not some NOOB who doesn't know any better and just goes for the bling. Hell PG and McIntosh (learn to spell the produscts you sell) are leaps and bounds beyond DEI. DEI is just a little bit better then all the other mainstream shit. Orion is good and make some damn solid amps, but their subs are made very cheap overseas.

Instead of just WHORING out the product you sell...maybe suggest what's the best for the situation! (Even if it happens to be something you don't sell!) peace

NG

Guys, I do suggest what I feel is the best for the money I know most of you are talking about. Yeah, if you want to blow $20k on a system, then you'll hear me talking about big money stuff from McIntosh and the others. Unfortunately, we never get into those discussions. Why? Because those people that can afford those systems don't come on here for questions. Quite frankly you and I would shit if it were my customers. Reason is that most are from professional sports teams. When I get a call (usually from their manager) they just tell me to do it. Rarely do they ask for a certain brand.

Now you guys understand where I come from? I didn't mean to push DEI all the way but if you look at it, all you guys usually do is tout the same brand or 2. It all doesn't matter though. We all have played with systems in our own way and have made up our minds as to what is good or bad. No one is really right or wrong, well except for those Audiobahn people!!!