George W's Drug Use

I heard a spot for the news today claiming "secret tapes" of George Bush talking about his hard drug abuse have surfaced. Unfortunately, I was unable to catch the actual broadcast. Please god...tell me someone has some further information or a link- anything. I searched, but I think it is as yet too current a story.

Is there no end to this mans hypocrisy! I love it. :evillol:

What's the big deal? Almost every president has done some illegal drug or something to that affect. Also, George says he didn't say he smoked weed because he didn't want kids making the same mistake he did.

Prediction: You or the media(as much as they would love too) will not find anything on those tapes that contradict anything he has said in his election runs or speeches he has made. In fact, if the President knew he was being taped, and knew they would be brodcast, he probably wouldn't change one word in those tapes. To tell you the truth, it is very refreshing to hear someone in politics actually saying what they believe and believing what they say...whether you or the media agrees with it or not.

PS: I have a tape of Bush bragging about slaughtering puppies for fun and mailing the ears back to the children he stole them from...Dan Rather and I are talking.

What's the big deal? Almost every president has done some illegal drug or something to that affect. Also, George says he didn't say he smoked weed because he didn't want kids making the same mistake he did.

So when George is caught lying about being a druggie, it's all fine and dandy to tell lies but when Bill Clinton is caught lying, people want his head on a stick........double standard.

the press is already cherry-picking the transcript to see how they can spin it to suit their political stance.

here's theWashington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40508-2005Feb20.html)'s spin on the whole thing - pick out the positives,vilify the messenger,minimise any talk of wrongdoing....

the New York Times (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/20/news/talk.html) puts a far more comprehensive article together, including more of the more controversial parts of the tapes, and also Bush's contempt for the UN.

The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4282799.stm) chooses to highlight the then Governor of Texas' realisation that any exposure of the full truth could harm his chances for the White House....

The Voice Of America (http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-02-20-voa23.cfm), which bills itself as "A trusted source of news
and information since 1942" , reports the existence of the tapes, but skillful omits to discuss even a faint whiff of weed......

Hopefully at some stage in the near future, we can see an exact transcript, full and unedited, instead of just what the press thinks will sell to their own audience.Only then will we be able to make a full and balanced decision on where we stand on the issues.

Your right, the media is cherry picking the transcript. It's funny, the media sources that you have mentioned HATE this president. I can assure you that whatever snipets that the media has broadcast are the absolute worst they can do. Like I said before, this man says what he means and means what he says. The press wants SOOOOO much to put a negative spin on this non-story but they just can't find anything to condem him with.

y'see this is where disagreements start.Ipresent a broad range of media with four very different approaches to the story, none of them complete ,and each of them emphasising different aspects of the tapes,and the next person in the thread comes in and basically says........

The Media hates this president, the truth is he's a good guy,there's no story here.

Well,I'm sorry, but I'm going to disagree on all counts.First, "the media" hates no-one, it reports things in whatever manner it thinks will sell stories.To lump every American journalist and vox pop from Dan Rather to Rush Limbaugh, and every overseas media outlet in the world into this one category of "the media", destroys any credibility of the statement that you attatch to it.It makes no more sense to say that "the media" hates Bush than it does to say that "the media" would rather drink coke than pepsi.If you can find any evidence that The Voice Of America has put a negative spin on this story by completely omitting any damaging quotes,I'd love to see how you figure it.

As to whether the prez is a good guy, we all have our own personal opinions.Remember what happened to the last prez who fell foul of a tape recorder? Chap called Nixon,and very much in the same mould.Was he 'a good guy'? Again, a matter of opinion.

Finally, no story? Maybe not if you'd rather bury it, but when the Governor of Texas makes controversial remarks on tape to the effect that he's going to refuse to answer certain questions because the truth may damage his aspirations to be president,and he then goes on to sneak into the White House in one of the most marginal votes ever,America and the world might well want to reflect on whether or not the information on those tapes could have,or should have influenced the final count in the Bush/Gore election,One thing is for certain,if the tapes were to establish that Bush intentionally lied,or lied by omission about his past and his criminal activities, the credibility of this presidency would be under question again,and that in itself is news.

To dismiss the entire media and the evidence on the tapes before even seeing the complete transcript simply becase you believe that the guy could never do a wrong thing in his life is not balanced or logical.

I've heard some snippets that there is a tape out there of some sort. Its to bad that he took drugs - its sad that there are so many people today doing the same thing. Some of those same people will be parents one day. Will they be hypocrites for telling their kids how bad drugs are? No they won't be. Its not hypocritical unless the person is currently undertaking what they are rallying against.













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I found these quotes from the various articles interesting, although they have nothing to do with the drug issue:

"It's me versus the world," he told Wead.

If it wasn't true then, it most certainly is now...thank you, George.

"The Coalition wants America strong and wants the American flag flying overseas, not the pale blue of the UN."

Frightening...I wasn't aware that the coalition supported our country's apparent aspirations for global dominance. Is this the same coalition, the majority of which abandoned us when we snubbed the U.N. and raised the American flag in Iraq? Isn't this what they wanted??? Do you think George was surprised by this unexpected reaction?

Mr. Bush complained repeatedly about the news media, which he accused of a "campaign" against him.

This one never gets old.

I've heard some snippets that there is a tape out there of some sort. Its to bad that he took drugs - its sad that there are so many people today doing the same thing. Some of those same people will be parents one day. Will they be hypocrites for telling their kids how bad drugs are? No they won't be. Its not hypocritical unless the person is currently undertaking what they are rallying against.

Mister Bush used the term "little kids" in his taped justification for witholding information.What does he mean by little? 10?11?12? at what age do children become involved in politics in America?

Yogs, as I understand it,you are an employer. If you hired someone, and subsequently found out that they had witheld information relating to drug use, would you assume

'a' that they were worried that they might not get the job if they had answered to the fullest of their ability.?
or
'b' that they were concerned that there kids might accidentally come across a copy of their resume and rush out to buy weed.?

So when George is caught lying about being a druggie, it's all fine and dandy to tell lies but when Bill Clinton is caught lying, people want his head on a stick........double standard.



Did he deny ever using drugs? I don't recall.
Clinton most certainly did deny ever having sexual relations with Monica.
I don't think he should have been given the treatment he got but that's politics I guess. Keep in mind that what Bush did happened long before the white house while what clinton did happened in the white house.

Mister Bush used the term "little kids" in his taped justification for witholding information.What does he mean by little? 10?11?12? at what age do children become involved in politics in America?

I don't know about all kids but my son is 13 and has been involved since 11.

Yogs, as I understand it,you are an employer. If you hired someone, and subsequently found out that they had witheld information relating to drug use, would you assume

'a' that they were worried that they might not get the job if they had answered to the fullest of their ability.?
or
'b' that they were concerned that there kids might accidentally come across a copy of their resume and rush out to buy weed.?

There is a difference between an average joe and a public figure.

If lies told from within the White House walls are somehow more potent and remarkable than those told outside of them, then George is still in some serious trouble. I tend to make no distinction between the two...

Lets get Clinton out of this debate right now. Clinton lied about having sex in the white house while UNDER OATH. We could compare Bush to this if he lied while he was under oath but he wasn't.

The thing about this is it could go both ways. He didn't tell the truth and now it's going to come back and bite him. He also told on the tape why which could go his way.

Clinton was the president at the time of his wrong doings and lied about it, Bush did this a long time ago not while he was the president and he never denied it. Even Clinton said he tried marijuana "but he never inhaled" So theres no comparison there


I remember Bush saying he tried marijuana and cocaine in College when he was running for President the first time. All the late night shows were making fun of him, showing him with white powder around his nose and stuff like that. So i dont know why this is such big news... he never lied about taking drugs

The dude's name is wead. :lol:

How perfect is that?

The dude's name is wead. :lol:

At least someone else noticed that.


Yes Bush did drugs.
Clinton did too!

Bush didn't lie about it just never answered the question fully. Clinton smoked dope lied about it and under oath lied about Monica. I don't think the American people give a damn about the pot smoking, they didn't care when Clinton did it and I am sure they won't care that Bush did it. Its not like Bush is in the oval office lighting up a joint while he is getting sucked off.

I believe george admitted to trying weed when he was in college on the tape.. Great news!

Doesn't matter....Goerge is a born again christian don't you know?.....all his sins have been forgiven!

So when George is caught lying about being a druggie, it's all fine and dandy to tell lies but when Bill Clinton is caught lying, people want his head on a stick........double standard.

Sorry but this just pisses me off. Its one thing for a president to lie about his past to the media. It is quite another for a president to lie under oath. I fail to see the doublestandard.

So what if George W tried stuff in college, 40 years ago. As long as he's not doing drugs now it's ok.

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Of course if he IS doing stuff, that might explain some of his behavior.

Cocaine is one helluva drug!




So what if he did some drugs back when he was a young'n, it sure does explain is intelligence now. Other than that, who cares?

Lets get Clinton out of this debate right now. Clinton lied about having sex in the white house while UNDER OATH. We could compare Bush to this if he lied while he was under oath but he wasn't.

The thing about this is it could go both ways. He didn't tell the truth and now it's going to come back and bite him. He also told on the tape why which could go his way.:lol: I find it funny that first you advocate to get Clinton out of this thread and the next sentence you bring him back into the conversation. And they said Kerry flipped flopped. :evillol:

TS out (holding flame shield)

I really don't care if the president tried weed and cocain in college. I hope he did. I don't want some tight ass goodie two shoes in office controlling our country. We need an American in office, and how many Americans havent tried drugs? Also, I would prefer that the president didn't admit to doing drugs, even though we know he did. If the president did drugs is one thing, but when the president tells the world that he did them, so all the kids can hear it and say "the president did it, why cant I"... thats another thing.

It may sound hypocritical but its not. Young kids dont realize the difference between making mistakes, and making a mistake on purpose because you heard the president did it, so you think its okay. George Bush has already learned from his mistakes... it was decades ago, but we all know that kids won't learn from the president's mistake.

So if he did drugs or not when he was 20 years old.. I could give a shit... But I don't want him to admit it to the kids.

I think he's doing a great job in office anyways I might add. I think the whole world would be a lot worse off if John Kerry was in office.

I really don't care if the president tried weed and cocain in college. I hope he did. I don't want some tight ass goodie two shoes in office controlling our country. We need an American in office, and how many Americans havent tried drugs? Also, I would prefer that the president didn't admit to doing drugs, even though we know he did. If the president did drugs is one thing, but when the president tells the world that he did them, so all the kids can hear it and say "the president did it, why cant I"... thats another thing.

It may sound hypocritical but its not. Young kids dont realize the difference between making mistakes, and making a mistake on purpose because you heard the president did it, so you think its okay. George Bush has already learned from his mistakes... it was decades ago, but we all know that kids won't learn from the president's mistake.

So if he did drugs or not when he was 20 years old.. I could give a shit... But I don't want him to admit it to the kids.

I think he's doing a great job in office anyways I might add. I think the whole world would be a lot worse off if John Kerry was in office.

Oh please. Stop with the self-righteous attempt to make horseshit look and smell like roses.

I'm American, and I can honestly say that I have NEVER tried drugs. Never even attempted. So can my wife. I have been around people that did it, and had access to it, and even had/have the financial means to do it. Guess what? Never did it. Why? Because I simply refused to resolve to allowing some foreign chemical define what state of mind I should be in.

So...are you trying to say that Nancy, with her, "Just Say No" campaign, was some kind of uptight bitch, that shouldn't have been at the right-hand of one of the greatest leaders America has ever had?

I am FAR from being the most perfect person around - but damn if I can trust a man who has less control of his being than my 12-yr-old son. Don't get me wrong, that's exactly how I feel about Clinton, and the many things he did.

That even incenses me more, that a fucking hippie like Clinton, has actually outperformed this self-proclaimed saviour of American morals, hailing from a family of leaders. Face it. The biggest reason he is where he is is because of his family's influence, and the weakness of his opponents. I doubt if he would have won an election against somebody like JFK, and for God's sake, Clinton.

So please, quit with the LIBERAL excuses for drug use, especially for a sitting President, and learn to face life behind the smoke.

I really don't care if the president tried weed and cocain in college. I hope he did. I don't want some tight ass goodie two shoes in office controlling our country. We need an American in office, and how many Americans havent tried drugs? Also, I would prefer that the president didn't admit to doing drugs, even though we know he did. If the president did drugs is one thing, but when the president tells the world that he did them, so all the kids can hear it and say "the president did it, why cant I"... thats another thing.Well not for nothing, but if my kids tell me "why can't I, the pres does" I'll simply turn around and tell them that the pres runs the country, I on the other hand run your life until you are 18.
It may sound hypocritical but its not. Young kids dont realize the difference between making mistakes, and making a mistake on purpose because you heard the president did it, so you think its okay. George Bush has already learned from his mistakes... it was decades ago, but we all know that kids won't learn from the president's mistake.

So if he did drugs or not when he was 20 years old.. I could give a shit... But I don't want him to admit it to the kids.The problem is not that the kids would hear him admit to it nor learning from it, since they are not the ones pulling the levers in November, its simply that the parents (adults) might find an issue with a person running for president that constantly insists of being so Christian and self righteous and moral values. I figure if you have and believe in such moral values, you wouldn't get to be in a position to do the drugs. I think he's doing a great job in office anyways I might add. I think the whole world would be a lot worse off if John Kerry was in office.Thats just a matter of opinion, there is no way anyone can know if Kerry would have been worse or better in office.

I doubt if he would have won an election against somebody like JFK, and for God's sake, Clinton. :thumbsup: I believe that as well.

TS out

i agree with ricky... George is a regular type of guy, he's not a nerd. He's just like a man's man, he has street smarts not book smarts.

He tried drugs when he was young and he doesnt do them anymore, whoopty fuckin doo... it would be bad if he did them while he was in office. But that he's a normal person and tried them is no big deal, doesnt mean people who never try drugs arent normal but face it, the majority of americans try drugs. The fact that he knows what they do, probably makes him a better person to deal with them than some guy who has no idea what drugs even do to you

. I figure if you have and believe in such moral values, you wouldn't get to be in a position to do the drugs.
TS out

It's nice that people hold Christians up to such high values that they think they never make a mistake. We are almost like gods to you aren't we?

(sarcasm)

It's nice that people hold Christians up to such high values that they think they never make a mistake. We are almost like gods to you aren't we?

(sarcasm)No, not really, especially since I do not believe in God. And if I did, it would be one God, not Gods like how you wrote it. :p

Seriously, its not like that at all, but come on. If I am old enough to know whats right or wrong and feel I have good morals then I wouldn't be doing things that are against the law. Whether its Gods law or government law. Taking drugs like weed or cocaine last I heard is illegal. So if a person who claims they are religous and or have high moral values and does this stuff to me is a hypocrite. I do believe there is a verse that says, those that have not sinned cast the first stone. I sure see alot of folks throwing stones when they themselves are sinning in one way or another.

TS out

i agree with ricky... George is a regular type of guy, he's not a nerd. He's just like a man's man, he has street smarts not book smarts.

He tried drugs when he was young and he doesnt do them anymore, whoopty fuckin doo... it would be bad if he did them while he was in office. But that he's a normal person and tried them is no big deal, doesnt mean people who never try drugs arent normal but face it, the majority of americans try drugs. The fact that he knows what they do, probably makes him a better person to deal with them than some guy who has no idea what drugs even do to you

So "regular guys" do drugs nowadays? No wonder the world's fucked up.

You DO realize that there are books (at least A book), out there that claims that Dubya did coccaine as late as his father's Presidency, at Camp David? Mind you, I have no way of proving this is the truth, but just as much as chance you have of proving that this is false.

Alas, maybe I need to find a pusher, so I can become a "regular guy". http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

So "regular guys" do drugs nowadays? No wonder the world's fucked up.

do you only read what you want to read?

doesnt mean people who never try drugs arent normal but face it, the majority of americans try drugs. The fact that he knows what they do, probably makes him a better person to deal with them than some guy who has no idea what drugs even do to you

Seriously, its not like that at all, but come on. If I am old enough to know whats right or wrong and feel I have good morals then I wouldn't be doing things that are against the law. Whether its Gods law or government law. Taking drugs like weed or cocaine last I heard is illegal. So if a person who claims they are religous and or have high moral values and does this stuff to me is a hypocrite.
TS out

What if he did it in amsterdam on vacation? He wouldn't have broken any laws then. Im not trying to be a smart ass, but just to bring up the point that legal is a case of when and where. Not always morals. There is a REAL law that in some state or another, it is illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. No bullshit. So, just judge it on the severity of the action, not just that it was "illegal". To me, its utterly useless information that the president tried weed and coke when he was in college. It does NOT matter.

Also, religion (christianity in particular) is heavily dependent on the fact that humans are not perfect, and are sinners. Im not religious, but if you want to bring it up, then I'll get into that field of play. So if you are saying that you don't agree with his morals because its wrong to make a mistake (like trying drugs multiple decades ago) and still claim to be christian, then I don't think you have very good morals either. Learn to forgive and forget. I learned how to do that when I was a kid.

When I said that kids may use that as an excuse to do drugs, I didnt necessarily mean that would be the excuse they use with you. It could be the excuse they tell themselves when you arent around.

Carnutt.. are you serious??? you tell me to stop with the self righteousness? What a hypocrite!! I am saying that I forgive the man for the mistakes he may have made 30-40 years ago. You on the other hand are saying "I never did drugs, so I don't want a president that has." That is some self righteous BS right there. You really put your own spin on my post anyways. The main point of my post was that people can learn from their mistakes, and I can forgive them for it; but that doesnt mean the children of America need to know that the president tried drugs when he was young. If that fact surfaced, then I guarantee that there would be kids out there who would use it as an excuse to do drugs. But as an adult you should be smart enough to realize that that is only one of two reasons why the presidents PAST history of drug use is of ill importance. The second reason.....

It is !!!!RETARDED!!!!!......to even give a half a rats ass if the president tried drugs 30 years ago. If he has been doing drugs within the last few years, or the last decade, then I could see your point. But to grill somebody because of a mistake they made, and have already learned from... that is just stupid and self righteous. Dont bring that shit up. Have you ever made a mistake in your life that you dont think your kids should know about? Do you think the president has to be PERFECT? You have the kind of opinion that I dont want voting on somebody to run the country. You are most concerned with things that dont matter, just so you can bitch about how perfect you are while comparing yourself to the commander and chief.

How dare you tell me to stop being self righteous.

Some religions even use marijuana to honor god... like rastafarians.

Like I said before, this man says what he means and means what he says.
To bad he doesn't even know what he means, and nobody understands what he says, because he has all the language skills of a mongoloid myna bird. :iceslolan
Anyway that sentence is the funniest thing I've read so far this month.

What if he did it in amsterdam on vacation? He wouldn't have broken any laws then. Im not trying to be a smart ass, but just to bring up the point that legal is a case of when and where. Not always morals. There is a REAL law that in some state or another, it is illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. No bullshit. So, just judge it on the severity of the action, not just that it was "illegal". To me, its utterly useless information that the president tried weed and coke when he was in college. It does NOT matter..Ah but my dear Tbird, the thing is that he wasn't in Amsterdam, it happened in the United States. And like I said, last I heard its illegal to do those drugs in the States. Now when you are a public figure running for anything, all your past is a stage and opened for public viewing. Now do not think that this is just because its Bush, I would say the same about Clinton with Monica and any other president that made a stupid mistake. Anything that can hamper your decision making in office should automatically take them out of the position. Look what happen to ex-Governeor McGreevey from NJ. That bribery/love scandel imparied his judgement and he appointed his lover to head a department.
Also, religion (christianity in particular) is heavily dependent on the fact that humans are not perfect, and are sinners. Im not religious, but if you want to bring it up, then I'll get into that field of play. So if you are saying that you don't agree with his morals because its wrong to make a mistake (like trying drugs multiple decades ago) and still claim to be christian, then I don't think you have very good morals either. Learn to forgive and forget. I learned how to do that when I was a kid...Funny you mention that, but I don't recall any one saying that when any other president got in trouble doing something personal.

TS out

Funny you mention that, but I don't recall any one saying that when any other president got in trouble doing something personal.

TS out

TS I hope you are not thinking about Clinton and Monica. As stated before no one really cared that Clinton got his whistle blown only the fact that he lied under oath about it.

I am sure most men would be happy to get the Monica done to them, and most men really can care less that Clinton got one. The only sticking point that bugs me is raising the right hand and taking that oath.

Carnutt.. are you serious??? you tell me to stop with the self righteousness? What a hypocrite!! I am saying that I forgive the man for the mistakes he may have made 30-40 years ago. You on the other hand are saying "I never did drugs, so I don't want a president that has."

Actually, I said that I don't want a President that has shown a lack self-control, even less self-control than a 12-yr-old kid many years ago, that was able to say no (yes, I'm referring to me) but ok. If you think that's being self-righteous, then tell Bush's administration to quit making gays give up hope of marriage, just because they're not gay. Just so you know, I am against gay-marriage, but I also know how to stick my nose out of people's goddamned sex lives, except when their sex lives affect me, and my family and friends.


It is !!!!RETARDED!!!!!......to even give a half a rats ass if the president tried drugs 30 years ago. If he has been doing drugs within the last few years, or the last decade, then I could see your point.

Like I mentioned before, there is a book claiming that Dubya was doing coccaine as late as his father's Presidency. I can't prove it right, but you can't prove it wrong either. What about the fact that Bush was at least a lush well into his 30's? Nothing wrong with that?

Gotti: The fact that you feel that a majority of Americans have tried drugs, substances the government has spent BILLIONS of OUR money to "fight", that has killed tens upon tens-of-thousands of Americans on both sides of the "war" - you think that justifies a President that admits to using it? I thought "conservatives" were about being, I don't know, "conservative"?

Shouldn't you write to your Congressmen about repealing the absolutely legal question in all application forms for any type of governmental jobs, where they ask if you have EVER used drugs? Why should they care?

TS I hope you are not thinking about Clinton and Monica. As stated before no one really cared that Clinton got his whistle blown only the fact that he lied under oath about it.

I am sure most men would be happy to get the Monica done to them, and most men really can care less that Clinton got one. The only sticking point that bugs me is raising the right hand and taking that oath.Actually it was. At least one of them. And yes I agree with you that lying under oath is not a good thing. But regardless whether its under oath or not its puts into play that it can jeopardize and hamper the decision making of the person in office. They can be bribed into doing more unethical stuff just to keep the scandal out of the public view.

Like I mentioned before, there is a book claiming that Dubya was doing coccaine as late as his father's Presidency. I can't prove it right, but you can't prove it wrong either. What about the fact that Bush was at least a lush well into his 30's? Nothing wrong with that?
I believe the book you are talking about is "Fortunate Son (http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=1-887128-84-0)" that book that was taken out of its original circulation due to being sued by the Bush lawyers. It had three independent sources close to the Bush family report that Governor Bush was arrested in 1972 for cocaine possesion and taken to Harris County Jail, but avoided jail or formal charges through an informal diversion plan involving community service with Project P.U.L.L. an inner city Houston program for troubled youths at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston's dirt poor Third Ward. (At the link above it states what were the reason that the original publisher St. Martin Press took it out of circulation). There is even a documentary about it "Horns and Halos (http://www.hornsandhalos.com/)" which I saw on dvd.

Plus these links also talk what you have been saying...

Bush and Cocaine (http://www.expage.com/bushbusters3b)

Back (http://www.sonofbush.com/cocaine.htm) before the first election

Bush using drugs to to control depression, erratic behavior (http://www.govsux.com/bush_using_drugs.htm)

Now I do not know if those links are true or not and I am sure some here will debate them to no end. :smile:

TS out

Well, I spoke with George, and this is what he wanted me to tell you guys.




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I had no knowledge of any drug use besides the experimentation in college. And up till now I hadnt seen any links with any info on it either. I personally think that George W Bush is doing a good job. I don't believe that anybody else would be doing as good of a job as he is. And with that said, I don't think his past drug use matters at this point. The only thing that matters about it is that do gooders want to flame him for it. And that's wrong. It has nothing to do with the job he is doing now.


and Ah, but my dear twospirits, you disregarded exactly what I said in the paragraph you quoted me for. I said judge it on the severity of the action, not just that it was illegal, since legal is not always a perfect definition of moral. I then said that I don't think its a big deal that he tried drugs in college (hence, my opinion on the severity of the action). I know it was illegal. I run stop signs, thats illegal. Ive smoked weed in my life, and from my experience with it, I don't think it matters if the president STILL smokes a spliff every once in a while. Its not that big of a deal. Its just something for do gooders to complain about.


edit: About the links you posted TwoSpirits... why would you post a link that you don't even know if it is true? All that does is add fuel to the fire of speculation. There should be no speculation, just facts. What's that saying we have in America?

"Innocent until proven guilty"... yeah thats the one. I won't read a link which the "poster" can't even back up the validity of. I don't like to speculate. The only thing I will speculate about is that I believe whole heartedly that the world is better off without Kerry in office. I honestly think it would have been a disaster.