Why there is a racism between white People and Black People?

Hi There

I am wondering why there is a racism between White People and Black People ?

I am white and I don't have any problems with white or black people ..
I don't value the people with their color , I do value people with their heart .. if it's clean or black of the spiteful and stupidity ..

It's reality that most of the black people in the U.S are murders ?

Which is more ? the racism in the UK or the racism in the U.S.A ?

:)

Hi There

I am wondering why there is a racism between White People and Black People ?

Don't know.



It's reality that most of the black people in the U.S are murders ?

Nope.

Which is more ? the racism in the UK or the racism in the U.S.A ?

:)
It's the same everywhere. Not just between black and white.

Hi There

I am wondering why there is a racism between White People and Black People ?
For the same reason why there is discrimination between any groups. Men/woman, Chinese/Japanese, Muslim/Jew and a million other combinations - intolerance.

I am white and I don't have any problems with white or black people ..
I don't value the people with their color , I do value people with their heart .. if it's clean or black of the spiteful and stupidity ..

Most people are that way. It just takes one in a thousand to give others a bad name.

It's reality that most of the black people in the U.S are murders ?

I am not sure what you are asking. Are you asking of more blacks then whites are convicted of murder or as a ratio of the population? It is true that a higher percentage of blacks are convicted of murder then whites, but not as whole numbers. See the following link for more detailed information. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

To see US ancestory http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf (page 3)


Which is more ? the racism in the UK or the racism in the U.S.A ?
:)
The US is the third most populous nation on the planet - so we're going to have more in whole numbers. Because we are a nation with people from all over the world and have such large numbers of everyone (as an example there are more Vietnamese in the US then in China or India, which have larger populations) , we'll have some unique combinations not seen in many places.

It's ignorance. You fear what you don't or are unwilling to understand.

There's a different culture, lots of people are afraid of that culture because it's different, and they are close-minded and unwilling or unable to learn about the other people.

People need to relax, live and let live; as Yogs put it, it's intolerance of other people that contributes to the problem.

Its all about fear. Most people fear other peoples beliefs and ways of life because it is different from what they are used to. Take for example the idea of aliens, if we saw ufo's flying above our skies most people would freak out and assume its the end of the world. We dont know anything about these aliens, for all we know it could be the freaking telletubbies coming to sing and dance with us. (which should probably be feared but thats for a whole different reason). Its human nature to fear what you dont understand. Also all of this political correctness crap works the wrong way, a few years ago if you said a person was black it wouldnt have been a big deal, but now some people get offended by the term black and say its supposed to be "African American", So the whole idea of being politicaly correct has just turned people into being offended more easily than before. I have lived in the south all my life so I have seen a little more rascism than most people, and most of it has to do with someones family. Both black and white people, its their families that turn them to being racist.

People need to learn to let things go, you dont always have to take things so seriously. Im dating a black chick, and I love to make racist jokes to her, she gets a kick out of it. Why? Because she isnt so closed minded that she doesnt understand that its ok to laugh about things sometimes. So basicaly im trying to say I am racist against racist people. Damn racist bastards lets lynch em!

For what its worth from my own experiences, there are far more nice people out there than jerks. Since pre-k I have been surrounded by other ethnicites. I dont know of any black person threatening someone or fight anyone b/c of their color. Now I never witnessed any of it but was known a few white guys intentionally sparked shit based on race.

Thanks Guys for your worthy replies ! :smile:

A lot of the racism between white and black people came from slavery. (I cant believe nobody mentioned this). Slavery is what caused the civil war, and caused the rebel flag which is so popular in the south. The rebel flag doesnt necessarily stand for racism, but it is heavily connected. Some white people have never gotten over the fact that they think black people should be white peoples slaves. Some black people have never gotten over the fact that white people enslaved black people hundreds of years ago. But if you recall, the history of America is very short. The country has been around for under 230 years. If you look back even so recently as the sixties and seventies, there was a lot of racial issues then. Segregation was a real thing that ws going on in the USA. Black people were not allowed to sit with white people on the bus, or use the same drinking fountains or go to the same schools, use the same bathrooms, or public buildings. That is all so recent. There are still people who feel it should be that way. The majority of the country has moved on but there are others who are still upset.

That is the major reason why there is a big racial issue between white and blacks in particular, but as was said before, there would still be racism none the less. Racism is what caused slavery, and caused all of the civil disputes between blacks and whites in the USA in the first place. So racism is basically a display of ignorance, and can be seen all over the world between all races, but that is the major fire starter for racism between blacks and whites.

First of all racism didnt cause slavery. Secondly, white people didnt enslave blacks, the slaves were bought and were already slaves in the native lands of Africa. White people didnt go over there and capture a bunch of people, they were bought from other African kings and people of that nature. Blacks were enslaving other blacks since about 460A.D. So as far as slavery being used as a reason for racism people who know the facts know that if they should be mad at anyone it should be the group of people who took over one tribe and enslaved them until they sold them, not white people who just bought them.

Impossible question to categorically answer. If it was possible to define why in a few absolute terms than everyone would/could strive to solve the question. This answer is different for each person you would ask. It's a problem of perceptions on an individual basis. It is no more solvable than trying to guess why certain people love certain cars or wouldn't ever own others.
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black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock? White Enertainment Television? White History Month? Miss White Teen USA? Miss White USA? National association for the advancement of White People? National Scholarships offered ONLY to white People?

I was turned down for one scholarship in school just becaus i WAS NOT black......

I have always wondered if the tables were turned........

I heard Bill O'Reilly (Google Him) saying that since 1990, of African Immigrants make up 90% of the most succesful blacks in America. therefore making black people in america be the one thing that holds blacks back NOT racism.

If you Have side by side a white male and a black male, exact same school, exact same credentials, training, experience, everything the same. the black male will be picked over the white malefor many reasons.

Has anybody ever saw a television show or entire network be sued for not having any/enough white people?

P.S. What the hell is this about African Americans? Your AFRICAN or American not both. If your family has been for for generations your American. Im not Enlglish American.

sorry just ranting

If I moved to Africa would they have to call me American African? What do they call them in England?

First of all racism didnt cause slavery. Secondly, white people didnt enslave blacks, the slaves were bought and were already slaves in the native lands of Africa. White people didnt go over there and capture a bunch of people, they were bought from other African kings and people of that nature. Blacks were enslaving other blacks since about 460A.D. So as far as slavery being used as a reason for racism people who know the facts know that if they should be mad at anyone it should be the group of people who took over one tribe and enslaved them until they sold them, not white people who just bought them.

damn.. there goes my reason for being racist.

just kidding. Im not racist. But I do believe that slaves were ALSO captured, before they were sold in America. Not only purchased from African kings. It does kind of nullify my point that racism caused slavery, but oh well, I guess I was wrong about that.

KUNTA KENTE!!!

im sure some were captured by the white devil...but for the most part it was other africans

racism just is because of not enough understanding, that and crack

black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock?
Are you trying to say that Chris Rock is racist against white people?

Are you trying to say that Chris Rock is racist against white people?

:lol: I think your being a bit over analytical. This may not exactly pin the tail on the donkey but I'll say it anyways.

Chris Rock, if anyone has watched him, does use a lot of "black and white" literature for his comedy. Not however, because hes racists, but because it sells! Shit, I laugh hysterically watching some of his stand up and I'm white! (if that means anything).

Anyways IMO a part of what determines whether somebody is judged 'racist' is in what type of environment their upbringing was like. You can grow up in the city, get a good education and have lots of multiracial friends. You can grow up in a type of 'white/black supremacist' environment and not ever know any better what to believe in.

Is anybody following me?

I agree Kurt. I love chris rocks shows, and dave chapelles. They're hilarious. But Texas... the point he was making is not that chris rock is racist.

Lets be real, what he said is true. There are scholarships set up just for black people, and if you are white, you can't have them. There are award shows strictly for black actors. Imagine if there was an award show where no black actors could win because it was just for white people. Look at FUBU.. For Us By Us. Meaning, not for white people. What if there were scholarships that were only given to white kids? It would be hell to pay. All the people involved in anything pertaining only to whites would be lynched by the media, and the public. But blacks can do anything they want and exclude white people, and it is accepted. Why is that?

I have had many black friends in my life, hell, almost every race on the planet actually. I love all kinds of people. But I dont think its fair for the blacks to exclude us, and extricate us from their award shows, and scholarships, and tv shows. They fought for the right to be equal just a few decades ago, and now they exclude us. It is hypocritical, and its just flat out wrong. They are getting away with so many things that white people could never even imagine getting away with, and I don't like it.

I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.

i made the same statment here a while back and was banned, it sucked. glad to see support this go around

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I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.

That was a big swing and a miss.

Any public funded program has to be color blind. Private organizations can be as open or as restrictive as they want to be - its their money. If there is an award show for one legged - six toed nose pickers, would you say they are being exclusionairy? (btw, that might be a more entertaining award show then the oscars will be).

White America subjected the black community to unlawful discrimination for a long, long time. Programs were put into place (and rightly so) to remedy the effects of that long standing discrimination. Black people were forced to become self-dependent in lieu of any real government or majority white support for their rights, their families, their communities. This is something many white people cannot and will not understand. Get angry and insulted all you like, it's the result of a system that was severely lacking and still is. A system that is directly responsible for any hint of black separatism that now irks you so. If African Americans feel the need to foster a sense of unity and pride through events and organizations featuring blacks exclusively, who are we to bitch and moan. We owe them this much. When your feelings are severely hurt because you can't win a Black Achievement Award, take a moment to wonder what it must have been like to be an African American up until about the late fifties and early sixties. I say more power to them, they deserve to be proud of who they are, how far they've come and to have something completely their own. God knows they had to struggle to earn it.

In all the black/white/racism thread I've read, I must say that was one of the best explanations. :thumbsup:

TS out

Well i'll answer that in my own words. Racism to me is basically ignorant. Which leds to me saying the inability to see the bigger picture. with exception to the less fortunate people, everybody can walk, talk, see, think, hear, speak, and has a heart. It is hard to see and realize things when you are in the mix of the doing. You kinda have to step back, look at yoursef and everybody else, use common since, and ask yourself, what if that were me. So like an STD some people seem to think that it can never be them or I am better than everybody so I can't get one. Almost like that superbowl commercial, we live in a judgemental world so some of everybody is going to judge too quickly at some point. And sometimes shouldn't they feel like an ass later? Some people don't because they have a brain and that is what they want to think. rasicm isn't a gene, it is thought. There are lots of stereo types out there that white people fix, and some that black people fit. And like a teen in school nobody is going to pay any attention to the good things they do. Just the bad. And I wouldn't always say white and black people can't always get a long or white people don't deserve this or that. But at some point in time tv needs to do a better job of trying to at least patch the gap a little. Sleeping and tv watching are the most done things. So why not make tv not always so one-sided? I mean tv is divided also. Ever look at the color of people when fliping through channels?


edit> Some rasicm people see how bad iraqis treat each other. See how bad and divided that country is? Why can't those same people see that they are doing the same things? Hating each other because I don't see or believe things the way YOU feel they should.

im sure some were captured by the white devil...but for the most part it was other africans

racism just is because of not enough understanding, that and crack
Ok, you're on the right track but sorry, fundamentally wrong. True it was mostly other africans capturing other africans, but they did that because the slave traders paid them. That's actually the tragedy of this whole situation. Westerners pitted otherwise peaceful tribes against each other to sell their fellow africans. This doesn't mean that war didn't exist in African until Europeans showed up but it was much less drastic than it was once they did. Many people today blame the tribal warfare and genocide on wounds that were created during imperialism (late 19th century) and slave trade, and they are for the most part correct.

Note: of all the nations that partitioned africa, IMO the belgians left the worst legacy in central sub-Saharan Africa.

When I said that the All Black programs insult me, I didnt mean that it deeply insults me. It makes me shake my head, and wish there was something I could do about it. I don't like to see Black organizations only helping black people. Yes there are many people who have been brought up in communities that lack the social functions of other communities, and yes a large number of them may be black, but that doesn't mean that blacks are the only ones in that situation. There are also whites, hispanics, and asians, ect. in the same situations, and I think that if they want to provide an opportunity for the people who live in a certain condition, then they should not only include those off their same race. There are others, and they should not be ignored, or forced to adopt their own Single Race Only programs. Since the era of segregation, we have decided to unite all Americans as one people, and to treat them as such. To provide only blacks with the opportunities they are able to provide is a counter action of that unity that ALL races have been fighting for for the last several decades.

Ok, you're on the right track but sorry, fundamentally wrong. True it was mostly other africans capturing other africans, but they did that because the slave traders paid them.

Africans had other africans as slaves long before they even knew about white people. Sure the ammount of people who were captured as slaves increased but the beginning reason for africans to capture other africans and use them as slaves had nothing to do with slave traders.

Africans had other africans as slaves long before they even knew about white people. Sure the ammount of people who were captured as slaves increased but the beginning reason for africans to capture other africans and use them as slaves had nothing to do with slave traders.
until either of us gets a figure on how much this increased under foreign slave trade influence neither of us can really prove our respective points.

First of all racism didnt cause slavery. Secondly, white people didnt enslave blacks, the slaves were bought and were already slaves in the native lands of Africa. White people didnt go over there and capture a bunch of people, they were bought from other African kings and people of that nature. Blacks were enslaving other blacks since about 460A.D. So as far as slavery being used as a reason for racism people who know the facts know that if they should be mad at anyone it should be the group of people who took over one tribe and enslaved them until they sold them, not white people who just bought them.

Such may be true that Africans enslaved other africans, but whites did come to Africa and TAKE groups of Africans. And to say that blacks shouldn't be mad at whites or blame them for slavery and racism is ridiculous:nono:

black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock? White Enertainment Television? White History Month? Miss White Teen USA? Miss White USA? National association for the advancement of White People? National Scholarships offered ONLY to white People?

I was turned down for one scholarship in school just becaus i WAS NOT black......

I have always wondered if the tables were turned........

I heard Bill O'Reilly (Google Him) saying that since 1990, of African Immigrants make up 90% of the most succesful blacks in America. therefore making black people in america be the one thing that holds blacks back NOT racism.

If you Have side by side a white male and a black male, exact same school, exact same credentials, training, experience, everything the same. the black male will be picked over the white malefor many reasons.

Has anybody ever saw a television show or entire network be sued for not having any/enough white people?

P.S. What the hell is this about African Americans? Your AFRICAN or American not both. If your family has been for for generations your American. Im not Enlglish American.

sorry just ranting

I think you should check your facts, Census Data alone shows that of whites and blacks with the same credentials, the whites get picked hands down or make more money doing it.:nono:

What are you complaining about? Whites get more opportunities then any other race in America.:nono:

I think maybe your "whiteness" has been misguided.:nono:

black people are more racist (as a whole) then whit people in the US. what if there was a white Chris Rock? White Enertainment Television? White History Month? Miss White Teen USA? Miss White USA? National association for the advancement of White People? National Scholarships offered ONLY to white People?

I was turned down for one scholarship in school just becaus i WAS NOT black......

I have always wondered if the tables were turned........

I heard Bill O'Reilly (Google Him) saying that since 1990, of African Immigrants make up 90% of the most succesful blacks in America. therefore making black people in america be the one thing that holds blacks back NOT racism.

If you Have side by side a white male and a black male, exact same school, exact same credentials, training, experience, everything the same. the black male will be picked over the white malefor many reasons.

Has anybody ever saw a television show or entire network be sued for not having any/enough white people?

P.S. What the hell is this about African Americans? Your AFRICAN or American not both. If your family has been for for generations your American. Im not Enlglish American.

sorry just ranting
You need to redirect your focus, energy, and anger, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's get real here, do you honestly believe anything you posted?

I agree Kurt. I love chris rocks shows, and dave chapelles. They're hilarious. But Texas... the point he was making is not that chris rock is racist.

Lets be real, what he said is true. There are scholarships set up just for black people, and if you are white, you can't have them. There are award shows strictly for black actors. Imagine if there was an award show where no black actors could win because it was just for white people. Look at FUBU.. For Us By Us. Meaning, not for white people. What if there were scholarships that were only given to white kids? It would be hell to pay. All the people involved in anything pertaining only to whites would be lynched by the media, and the public. But blacks can do anything they want and exclude white people, and it is accepted. Why is that?

I have had many black friends in my life, hell, almost every race on the planet actually. I love all kinds of people. But I dont think its fair for the blacks to exclude us, and extricate us from their award shows, and scholarships, and tv shows. They fought for the right to be equal just a few decades ago, and now they exclude us. It is hypocritical, and its just flat out wrong. They are getting away with so many things that white people could never even imagine getting away with, and I don't like it.

I think the rules should not allow all that BS. Where do we draw the line? The all black venues and colleges insult me as a white person. Why are they separating themselves from us and getting away with it? That is not equality. Its a problem.
You guys are definitely blind to the reality of the matter, no matter how much you think that we are excluding you, you have to realize that whites have more than the majority of the power in the U.S., and news flash, a lot of the things that we have "solely" to ourselves are owned by whites; case and ponit: BET (Black Entertainment Television).

When I said that the All Black programs insult me, I didnt mean that it deeply insults me. It makes me shake my head, and wish there was something I could do about it. I don't like to see Black organizations only helping black people. Yes there are many people who have been brought up in communities that lack the social functions of other communities, and yes a large number of them may be black, but that doesn't mean that blacks are the only ones in that situation. There are also whites, hispanics, and asians, ect. in the same situations, and I think that if they want to provide an opportunity for the people who live in a certain condition, then they should not only include those off their same race. There are others, and they should not be ignored, or forced to adopt their own Single Race Only programs. Since the era of segregation, we have decided to unite all Americans as one people, and to treat them as such. To provide only blacks with the opportunities they are able to provide is a counter action of that unity that ALL races have been fighting for for the last several decades.

It's funny how everyone can singleout black and white (like most of their views) but there are other races, like was said, who have exclusive programs and things of that nature all designed to combat the inequalities of the sytem. There are programs for low income hispanics, reparation prgrams for Native Americans, etc. so to put under the microscope black programs is once again an inequality.

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Did you really come into an automotive forum and resurrect a thread about racism??? :rolleyes:

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Did you really come into an automotive forum and resurrect a thread about racism??? :rolleyes:
Obviously if i posted replies then i resurrected it. The only reason i came across AF was in searching for data for a research project i'm doing for my class at NU. I needed perceptions on racism and slavery and the perceptions blacks and whites have of each other. I replied because the people who originally started the thread were misinformed and i felt sorry.

You felt sorry for who? The people posting or yourself?? :rolleyes:

Now you're doing a report as a project. Are you going to wait until they respond or are you just going to report on what you saw at this moment??

First of all Welcome to AF,

2, please re-read the User Guidelines (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html), there is no reason to resurrect an old post. If need be create a new one and link to the older one for reference.

3, back to back threads are annoying. Please use the edit button to add/remove/append comments to your posts.

Thanks

TS