Question/discussion/NOT A ARGUMENT!!

Aight i gota question for everybody. My current plans are to get GReddy headers and do a mini-me swap to my stock d16a6 motor. BUT..... i've done some thinkin and im constipating if i should do the complete b16a1 swap. (with trans, axel, ecu, linkage...everything) Im thinkin that if i do the b16 swap it will be a year till i can buy it and drop it in. I know that mid summer i can have atleast a g saved up.

My question is should i just wait a year and dont do nething else to my motor and save for the b16 and put it in with my car bein stock. (besides high flow cat, catback, and intake)

I aint tryin to hear any arguing im just lookin for advice. What would be the best way to go considering money and performance???

Power goals? What are your future plans (N/A, All motor, F/I)?

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i've done some thinkin and im constipating if i should do the complete b16a1 swap. (with trans, axel, ecu, linkage...everything)

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But on a serious note - lol

If you're looking to save money, just build up your d16a6 -don't go b-series (eww @ bumble-b)

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that belongs in someone's avatar. :rofl:

(N/A, All motor, F/I)?

Isnt this the same N/A and All motor

I <3 your threads. :p

HAHA.. Seriously, it depends where you want to go. If you want decent performance with "stock" reliability, B16 is a nice choice. If you are okay with being slightly faster than most Pontiac 6000s, keep buying boltons for the SOHC.
It depends where you want to put your money and what you really want out of your car.

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Its nice to have a fairly quick and basically stock motor that doesn't burn a drop of oil and has plenty of life to go. ;) Room to grow, engine life to do so.

yeah....i messed up...lol. I was tryin to say constiplating (sp) and i checked on spell check and it gave me constipating...awell. i gave everyone i laugh.

But for real. My future plans are to stay n/a. I WANT turbo but i dont forsee me gettin it. My cuz was supposed to talk to her bf about gettin his turbo but nothin ever came out of that. And gettin the money saved up aint i problem. Its just gona take a year. but do you guys think its worth it. Or should i just take 2 g's and put it into the stock motor. Cuz i really dont wana dump money into my motor with 160k on it and have it blow. If i get a b16 wit will have 30-50k on it.

What does everybody think the best choice is. For both speed and money??

the word your looking for is contemplating

b16 is my opinion

2 strikes, then civickiller let you walk.

Isnt this the same N/A and All motor
Yeah, I just ment if he was going to do basic bolt-ons or go full out all motor build.

LOUDCRXSi - You should figure out what your long term hp goal is first. Because if you put $ into your stock engine and end up wanting even more power, then you've wasted $ that you can never get back. In that case you should do a motor swap and save up for a turbo. My best advice is to take the time and think about it long and hard. If I didn't lose my job I was going to do a type r swap, I was completely set on doing it. But now that I've had time to think about it more I realized it isn't the best plan for the kind of power I want. Maybe just go with some basic bolt-ons with your stock motor until you figure out exactly what you want to do.

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DAMIT lol....Well thanx killercivic. I need that.

But for 2 g's...and considering my motor has 160k on it. what should i do?? drop 2 g's into my car and pretty much rebuild it with all aftermarket parts...2 g atleast or drop in a b16 and crank up the power???

How fast do you think the d16 can get? If i did everything posible to it. I know the b16 can be low 13s or even 12s but how could the d16 do???

People build up d16's and turbo them and get anywhere from 200-400whp. Depends on how well you build it and the parts you use (as well as damn good engine managment).

what would you recomend?? d16 turbo with high compression..or b16 with most bolt ons???

turbo and high compression arent a good match.

its not good and its not bad, you just cant boost as high as you could with lower compression...^^^^
i say keep the d16, get some pistons, rods, cam ,and valve set up then boost it. it will cost a little$$ but its worth it. you dont need vtec to be fast.

NOT TRUE, you don't need vtec to be fast.

ok man here you go, get a b18 LS, there about 1,000 to 1,100, turbo that. keepthe motor you have now in the car so you can still drive it. you are only gonna get real power if you turbo it. you can stick all the bolt on's you want to that b16 and will never ever ever ever beat a turbo b18, well if it blows up when you are racing it maybe.

parts....... get a nice 16g turbo from a mitsu, and the 450cc injectors also from mitsu you can get them on ebay for like 20$, get the manifold from one of the other civics (cant remeber witch one) and use that. do a little work to the motor if you wanna run more the 7 or 8 psi's if not the stock motor is the best if you wanna turbo. you can do little stuff cheep like ARP head, main and rod bolts is a must! you can get all that for under 200$. well good luck man hope this helps.

....Well thanx killercivic. I need that.



no, thank you :rofl:

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Well the b18 would be nice.....but i dont have enough money for that. If i went with a b18 i would get the b18c5. Its like a $2500-$3000 motor. I aint got that. Im thinkin i could do the b16 buy and dropped in for around $2500. i would want a b18 if i could find everything i need for around 2g's. but i think thats about impossible.

So i think were at about 50-50 here. well and 1 person for b18. What should i do?? is the d16 that nice of a motor to keep?? more ppl have said i should keep it than i thought.

I put a b16 in my hatch and couldn't be happier. A quick two grand for a low mileage and a big upgrade power wise. the best part is it's still stock so there so many ways to beef it up.

well i think you would spend alot more money trying to get a B16 in there then a B18B, and like I said, turbo that b18 and no b16 could touch you. hell turbos are more fun anyway.

Well the b18 would be nice.....but i dont have enough money for that. If i went with a b18 i would get the b18c5. Its like a $2500-$3000 motor.
The Type R is more like $4,000-$5,000, and a bad idea to boost unless you know what you're doing (if you decided to go that route).

Well the b18 would be nice.....but i dont have enough money for that. If i went with a b18 i would get the b18c5. Its like a $2500-$3000 motor. I aint got that. Im thinkin i could do the b16 buy and dropped in for around $2500. i would want a b18 if i could find everything i need for around 2g's. but i think thats about impossible.

So i think were at about 50-50 here. well and 1 person for b18. What should i do?? is the d16 that nice of a motor to keep?? more ppl have said i should keep it than i thought.


have you considered trying to find a b18 out of a wrecked teg???

i prefer the d series (z6/y8) because it's cheaper. i'm looking to daily drive, not go to the track. jer perfers the b series because it has more HP potential, he's all about going to the track. the debate is almost daily conversation in our house.

y8, msd switch, stage 2 clutch, dc sports header, shipping = $1400 (p28 route a little more $$$)

b16, lsd tranny, axles, HASport linkage, HASport mounts, ecu, shipping = $2300

his b16 smokes my y8....well duh, it should. on the flip side, he already spent more than me and doesn't have header or clutch.

it really depends on the person, everybody is different.

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it really depends on what you plan to use the car for. im likely gonna be leaving my engine alone to keep up the longevity and work on other things like my stereo and get a few performance bolt-ons like exhaust and other easier things that wont mess everything up and ruin the reliability.

i figure if i do a swap it'll be a ZC cuz its just easier and cheaper. its a D series so it doesnt need all the different linkage and crap to get that extra kick.

I think im just gona do a b16....i like the b18 but i dont want it. I mean i know its a better motor but i dont have the money for it. i can do a b16. I know either way that imma need a motor swap, cuz the stock motor has 160k on it. So i might as well go big and drop in a b16.

After you use the exlax and get off the bowl... and maybe after a year from now when you save up enough money to get your B16, send me your d16a6 with 160k+ miles on it cuz I'll gladly take it off your hands...

the d is cheaper but be has more power

i would think that a stock b18 would be more reliable then a d16 with all those mods.imo and there are plenty of tegs around..

The d-series are the most reliable engines I've ever seen. I've heard of people going 400,000+ miles on them, running it with bairly any oil with no problems, and not to mention that video where they started putting water into the motor and it started right up every time. And I also know of 2 people with b-series motors that have blown them up a few times; one guy did it twice and the other has done it four times. but still it all depends on how you take care of it.

yeah i saw that video, that is fucking cool. i think one reason why b seriesw dont last long is just because they are abused. i mean you got your stock motor then you got a b series. which one are you gonna abuse more.

STOCK!! lol

but seriously, i cant argue with that. when you have more power, you're more likely to use it and abuse it.

know where we can all see the educational video? d series are phenominal engines for reliability. mine started up in -50 weather with no plug in, never fails on me.