This video makes me want to scrap bolt ons....

This video will seriously make you beg until someone gives you a kenne bell...
http://www.tremek.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6516
*starts counting pennies*

oh btw.... "are you fucking....holy shit!!!" rofl

Lol and just found this one.
http://www.heavy.com/index.php?videoPath=/current/importNights/carabuse
ANyone got a camera? I want to test drive a cobra.

holy shit that was awsome... i can't believe that

I can..... but I need to build up my block, I want the 2.2L version of that blower:)

that was nice, really nice. . .ohhh. . .hmmm. . .aaahhh

God damn it dude. That was going to be me. :( Fucking bitch HAD to rearend ME. jfdndjkgnfdkgnfdgnnklfdnklfkffdklnfd. Yeah, it's a good video. I saw it before though. It was one of the many reasons I chose KB.

BTW: That honestly reminds me of driving an LS1 car. :)

Wow

Now thats my definition "Sick F*cking Fast".:evillol:

How much do the s/c's run? I dont have acrobat reader on this comp so I cant check...Anyone wanna hook me up?

That is a really nice Mustang. BUT, If you guys would have checked the site out, that car runs 12.6-12.8 in the 1/4 mile which isn't bad by any means, but the car SEEMED much faster in the video.

Rob

PS: For anyone to lazy, here is the link with the Mustang guy posting his own track times:

http://clubhonda.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13744

Wow, I mean 12 second cars are still really fast, but that video made the car seem even faster.

Don't waste you money on a KB...........go Vortech...........But what do I know.........They are all nearly the same...except for the price........lol
I have a Vortech sc an Afc........hehe!!

I guess I'll have to make a vid of my car once it's done......should be runnin 550+hp 600+lbs torque and compare........I should be able toast that little 2000+gt......I didn't see ant dyno #'s nor any boost pressure.......But it was a test drive....

THe KB looks nice tho.....I just found that there is a lot of little crap parts that aren't included with the kit and the upgrade to aftercool it is way overpriced....JMOP...
TK

http://webpages.charter.net/tk421ds/100_0375.JPG

http://webpages.charter.net/tk421ds/Tatecarsig2.jpg

All superchargers are expensive, but a centrifugal type is a waste of money unless you get it dirt cheap. I wouldn't pay more than a thousand dollars for a complete kit. They're dyno queen superchargers. The benefits of a screw type supercharger(kenne bell) make it ten times the supercharger a centrifugal(vortech) will ever be. Full boost from 1500rpm, bypass valve to give good part throttle gas mileage, and much higher efficiency. If you're good at fabrication, you can pick up a M-90 eaton off ebay for around $350 for oen in good shape and fabricate an intake for it. Should be easy on a 4.6, all the flanges are horizontal and the bolts are perpendicular.

That car looked and sounded way faster than mid to high 12 second car in the video but either way I would still love to have it. That was one bad ass stang for sure.

John

How much do the s/c's run? I dont have acrobat reader on this comp so I cant check...Anyone wanna hook me up?

KB SC for a 5.0, stock or GT-40 lower, with or without AC, 3 grand. gets more expensive for later models.

gets more expensive for later models.
....as always :(

omg i want a kb now. shit ima save my money now.

All superchargers are expensive, but a centrifugal type is a waste of money unless you get it dirt cheap. I wouldn't pay more than a thousand dollars for a complete kit. They're dyno queen superchargers. The benefits of a screw type supercharger(kenne bell) make it ten times the supercharger a centrifugal(vortech) will ever be. Full boost from 1500rpm, bypass valve to give good part throttle gas mileage, and much higher efficiency. If you're good at fabrication, you can pick up a M-90 eaton off ebay for around $350 for oen in good shape and fabricate an intake for it. Should be easy on a 4.6, all the flanges are horizontal and the bolts are perpendicular.

I've never seen a screw type supercharger on a 5.0 Anyone got any pics?

If anyone wants an EFI 5.0 eaton with a m90 I could fabricate an upper intake for it. I'm planning on buyin an m90 for my next engine project anyways.
Is there any interest in this? I'm looking to fabricate and sell either turbo kits or Eaton supercharger kits for Mustangs, and I figure since Kenne Bell's got a nice monopoly goin there is more of a market for a decent cheap screw supercharger kit. Especially if none are available for the 5.0! KB only makes kits for the 4.6? how odd... There are tons of cheap turbocharger kits out there, and that would be a whole lot more work. I could probably put together a nice supercharger kit in around a week and sell the upper intake for ~$300. Add $350 for the supercharger, $300 for new injectors, piggyback ecu or reprogram existing, thats around $1200 for a supercharger kit that'll put a vortech/paxton to shame. Biggest problem is I'd need to find a donor vehicle for fitment and testing. Anyone live in connecticut that wants a supercharger on thier mustang? All fabrication work would be free! All you have to pay is materials! I'm mostly interested in the 80s-93 cars, I think that has the biggest market, but I'd be willing to look at a 4.6.

9psi KB is about $4,700. And duplox..everything you're saying is pretty much true and you always say very helpful things. But I'm going to disagree with you on the centrifrugals being a waste. One word: Traction. I've heard of guys with the 2.2l KBs making 500hp+ barely catching traction on drag radials. I really want a KB. But I can't afford it anymore so I'll probably end up with a vortech or procharger. Sometimes it's good NOT having all that power/torque right of the idle. Lots of people say KBs are ideal for the street..yes if all you want is huge smokey burn outs on street tires. I personally thing a KB would be better suited on the drag strip where you can run slicks. Atleast thats how you could get the most out of it. I want to run low 12s. KB, vortech, ATI, whatever. The brand/style doesn't matter to me. All I want is that nice 12 second timeslip.

Thats true. Thats why I like turbos. I still wouldn't buy a vortech/paxton kit, they're way overpriced.. There are much cheaper ways of centrifugally supercharging a car, either via a used s/c or using cheap turbo parts. But if you don't have time to kill or good fabrication skills/tools, a kit is the only way.

Thats true. Thats why I like turbos. I still wouldn't buy a vortech/paxton kit, they're way overpriced.. There are much cheaper ways of centrifugally supercharging a car, either via a used s/c or using cheap turbo parts. But if you don't have time to kill or good fabrication skills/tools, a kit is the only way.

Sounds good duplox, im interested in knowing how your gonna put together this inake maniforld. How much psi are you gonna be able to get out of the eaton?

If anyone wants an EFI 5.0 eaton with a m90 I could fabricate an upper intake for it. I'm planning on buyin an m90 for my next engine project anyways.
Is there any interest in this? I'm looking to fabricate and sell either turbo kits or Eaton supercharger kits for Mustangs, and I figure since Kenne Bell's got a nice monopoly goin there is more of a market for a decent cheap screw supercharger kit. Especially if none are available for the 5.0! KB only makes kits for the 4.6? how odd... There are tons of cheap turbocharger kits out there, and that would be a whole lot more work. I could probably put together a nice supercharger kit in around a week and sell the upper intake for ~$300. Add $350 for the supercharger, $300 for new injectors, piggyback ecu or reprogram existing, thats around $1200 for a supercharger kit that'll put a vortech/paxton to shame. Biggest problem is I'd need to find a donor vehicle for fitment and testing. Anyone live in connecticut that wants a supercharger on thier mustang? All fabrication work would be free! All you have to pay is materials! I'm mostly interested in the 80s-93 cars, I think that has the biggest market, but I'd be willing to look at a 4.6.
When you decide you CAN make a 4.6 kit in that price range that "puts the others to shame", you give me a call. You will have a customer.

When you decide you CAN make a 4.6 kit in that price range that "puts the others to shame", you give me a call. You will have a customer.

Will do. 4.6 is tougher though, 302s are cheap and easy to come by.. but if there is interest, I'll buy a 4.6 intake and get to work.

Will do. 4.6 is tougher though, 302s are cheap and easy to come by.. but if there is interest, I'll buy a 4.6 intake and get to work.

Well you got a customer here if you can get it to work on the 302

I'm going to look into the 302 today. I have an 302 EFI manifold lyin around I could play with. I'll let you know how it goes. I need to find someone who has one around here so I can test for hood clearance when its all together.

I'd be interested!

but if there is interest, I'll buy a 4.6 intake and get to work.
Me and Dampachi = 2. And this hasnt even been up for awhile. If you were to extend to forums like stangnet, corral, modularfords, ect. You would get alot of business. I hope you are serious with this, because I am planning on selling off some of my misc. things to get the cash. Id also would hold off on my 4.10s if there is a chance I can get a S/C because I will probally then want 3.73s.

Highrev87..if you go FI you'll most likely want to keep your stock 3.27s. Or maybe 3.55s if you're the daring type..

BBK had an M90 blower kit out 10 years ago for under 2500 bucks, and they sold a handful. Good luck trying to push an inefficient, undersized blower on people.

The M90 pushes over 90% efficiency, compare that to 75% of a good centrifugal blower. It provides full boost from low RPMs. It can be modified to produce 95% efficiency(porting/reshaping the inlet and outlet). They have built in bypasses to retain part throttle fuel economy. They are designed for 3.0-5.7L engines, so yes a 5.0 is at the high end of the spectrum, but still within its range. Boost would be limited, but it should still be able to hit 8-10psi. Enough for the street. This is not going to be a full out race setup, but a cheaper alternative to the Vortech/Paxton centrifugal stuff. I could build a system using centrifugal turbo compressors with custom backing plates(been done before and it does work) for real cheap, but I'm not a fan of centrifugal superchargers.
http://ford.jbcarpages.com/Mustang/2004/Bilder/2004%20Cobra%20engine.jpg
Recognize that? Thats a 2004 Cobra 4.6 engine.. on top there is an Eaton MP90 supercharger. The MP90 is the next generation of the M90, both support similar displacements(3-5.7L). MP90s are slightly more efficient, it flows slightly more(~30cfm or so), but they're more or less the same thing. SVT cobras with aftermarket pullies and a good tune are putting down mid-400hp to the wheels. Thats good enough for me, that is my goal. 450-475bhp is what I'm goin for. Upgrade your GT to a quasi-cobra for $1600 sounds nice to me.

95% efficiency, please. Volumetric efficiency and adiabatic efficiency are two entirely different things. The MP90 is marginally more efficient than an M90, but it's no lysholm.

Secondly, Cobra's are running M112 blowers, not M90's. An M90 is going to be limited to around 400 RWHP spinning it balls to the wall. Look at an averagely setup 302 that can make 300 RWHP like that and you don't have much expandability. Trust me, if a big name like BBK barely sold any blowers when they were smattered all over Jegs, Summit, ETC, a little nobody trying to sell home made M90 kits is going to go nowhere.

Think about it, if KB is barely selling 1.5 litre/90 CID twin-screw kits, why would people want to buy a less efficient roots blower? Want to actually make money? Pair up a 3.3 litre lysholm blower with a good blowing lower manifold and IC core, sell it for under 4000 and they will sell like hotcakes. Nobody wants to buy a no-name roots blower when they can pick up a vortech for 2 grand out the door with a warranty.

You're right, for some reason I thought eatons were screw type. Hmm. Now I can either offer a twin m62 or bump the kit price up a few thousand dollars and go lysholm. Or I could offer twin centrifugal superchargers for around the same price I quoted before. What would you guys rather have?
Twin M62 roots type.
Single M112 roots type.
Lysholm, I would be no competition for KB.
Or twin centrifugal, cheap as hell.
Or I could just scrap the whole idea.

If you guys just want cheap supercharging for around 380-410rwhp, I can do that pretty easily. If you want a real high end kit... spend the 4 grand and get a Kenne Bell. Let me know.

If you guys just want cheap supercharging for around 380-410rwhp, I can do that pretty easily.
Please point to someone who needs much more then that on the street.
Id love to have that power, and seeing as you are offering it at a good price (I assume it might go up alil if complications arise), Id be all over it like flies on....Hell I want the Kenne Bell, and I can tell myself I am going to get one until im blue in the face, but it wont happen.

Duplox, if you are serious about this, we need to talk. I know you might not be willing to dive into the work of learning the 4.6, but a general interest is out there. You seem to really be answering my problems right now, giving me the FI I crave, with a sticker price I can handle. Id also like to talk to you about positives/negatives of the systems you mentioned, and also the aproximate figures to go along with this.

When you talked about scrapping the project, remember this: I forbid you.

BTW: hit me up on AIM (if you use it). I am Xx2134xX . Thanks