77 Civic stuff
Shabadu
03-19-2002, 06:11 AM
Any one know where i can get a Side Draft Weber manifold for my 77 Red Civic with a EB2 engine? Also i need a mild cam for the same engine.:flash:
Setanta
03-19-2002, 09:04 AM
Best cam grind for the street is the Mugen R1 - I'll try and dig out the specs for it.
Personally I'd get the Mugen quad-keihin carb setup (good luck finding it though) or the RS1200 factory twin-carb (wreckers maybe?) or the AT engineering twin 35mm Dell Orto setup over the single webber. I don't know if AT engineering still exists though - it was a US company.
Jackson Racing used to do the Single Webber manifold - I doubt they do it anymore though, but they might know who does.
Personally I'd get the Mugen quad-keihin carb setup (good luck finding it though) or the RS1200 factory twin-carb (wreckers maybe?) or the AT engineering twin 35mm Dell Orto setup over the single webber. I don't know if AT engineering still exists though - it was a US company.
Jackson Racing used to do the Single Webber manifold - I doubt they do it anymore though, but they might know who does.
Moppie
03-20-2002, 03:19 AM
Well I know where at least two are, but I dont know if thier for sale.
And if they are how much do you want to spend?
Honestly, the best thing you could do would be to find a good shop, and get one custom built. will probobly cost less than trying to find an original in the end.
And you can set it up for dual webbers. instead of the funny japanese carbs.
Setanta it would be great if you could dig up the cam specs, :D
any idea what sort of HP it makes? and how much head work it needs?
And if they are how much do you want to spend?
Honestly, the best thing you could do would be to find a good shop, and get one custom built. will probobly cost less than trying to find an original in the end.
And you can set it up for dual webbers. instead of the funny japanese carbs.
Setanta it would be great if you could dig up the cam specs, :D
any idea what sort of HP it makes? and how much head work it needs?
Setanta
03-20-2002, 03:48 AM
Moppie: The cam is a street grind - lumpy but not as bad as the race spec R2 or R3 (R3 made its power at 7000-8000rpm). It would have added approx 10bhp to a stock motor with a webber downdraft or RS1200 carb setup. The RS1200 spec engine as a unit was 22bhp over the original 55bhp EB3 despite the fact it was an 1170, not a 1225cc engine.
The best all-motor 1G engine I built totaled out at 98bhp @ the front wheels (in a 680kg car).
Engine specs were EB3 block and head (better than the EB2 - it ran bigger valves and domed pistons with better combustion chambers). The head was decked almost to the manifold studs bumping compression to 10.5:1 and required adjustable cam wheels.
73mm Goldwing pistons were added as well as an EN1 crankshaft and conrods taking the motor out to just over 1400cc.
Induction was the Dell Orto 35mm carbs (look like mini webbers) choked to 32mm - using twin 40mm Webbers is a bitch as the manifold blocks the distributor requiring a 90 degree adaptor to offset the dizzy (likewise with the Mugen Quad-Keihin setup). Exhaust was initially a 4-1 collector, replaced with the Jackson Racing/Bassini 4-1 tuned extractors that ran out of the front of the car and then under it - that robbed torque and I'd built the car to make peak power at 6000, not at the 7500 the Jacksons were designed for (basically because the engine was stroked). I eventually used a set of RS1200 pattern 4-2-1 extractors and a 1 and 3/4 inch exhaust. Ignition was EN1 electronic ignition.
Head work requires cleaning up the ports and valve seats and matching to the intake and exhaust runners. Getting a Mugen head is better, but they don't run thermostats which is a bitch. The bonus is that the exhaust valves are bigger than the stock EB3 intake valves. Mugen intakes are even bigger.
A good street package would be RS1200 spec 4-2-1 exhaust, R1 cam and single/twin sidedraft carbs. Without other tuning you will find the engine will prolly pump 75-80 bhp at the flywheel (the engines are more receptive to mods than any other Honda - basically they are an under-utilised engine).
The engines are also simplicity themselves to work on - just don't over-torque the head as I did the first time... all-alloy blocks tend not to like that :rolleyes:
Yes, yes I do love the 1G SBC Civic :)
The best all-motor 1G engine I built totaled out at 98bhp @ the front wheels (in a 680kg car).
Engine specs were EB3 block and head (better than the EB2 - it ran bigger valves and domed pistons with better combustion chambers). The head was decked almost to the manifold studs bumping compression to 10.5:1 and required adjustable cam wheels.
73mm Goldwing pistons were added as well as an EN1 crankshaft and conrods taking the motor out to just over 1400cc.
Induction was the Dell Orto 35mm carbs (look like mini webbers) choked to 32mm - using twin 40mm Webbers is a bitch as the manifold blocks the distributor requiring a 90 degree adaptor to offset the dizzy (likewise with the Mugen Quad-Keihin setup). Exhaust was initially a 4-1 collector, replaced with the Jackson Racing/Bassini 4-1 tuned extractors that ran out of the front of the car and then under it - that robbed torque and I'd built the car to make peak power at 6000, not at the 7500 the Jacksons were designed for (basically because the engine was stroked). I eventually used a set of RS1200 pattern 4-2-1 extractors and a 1 and 3/4 inch exhaust. Ignition was EN1 electronic ignition.
Head work requires cleaning up the ports and valve seats and matching to the intake and exhaust runners. Getting a Mugen head is better, but they don't run thermostats which is a bitch. The bonus is that the exhaust valves are bigger than the stock EB3 intake valves. Mugen intakes are even bigger.
A good street package would be RS1200 spec 4-2-1 exhaust, R1 cam and single/twin sidedraft carbs. Without other tuning you will find the engine will prolly pump 75-80 bhp at the flywheel (the engines are more receptive to mods than any other Honda - basically they are an under-utilised engine).
The engines are also simplicity themselves to work on - just don't over-torque the head as I did the first time... all-alloy blocks tend not to like that :rolleyes:
Yes, yes I do love the 1G SBC Civic :)
70'scvccdude
07-22-2002, 12:20 PM
shabadu- the webers are still avail. thru weber carbuerator, they come with an adapter plate for the intake manifold, about $320.00 US. If your running a cvcc you will either have to use a 1200 accelerator cable or do some slight mods on the carb linkage otherwise the weber will not open up all the way. just a side note, you can take a 1751 EK motor and put it into the cvcc's, bolts right in. If you need a lot of info for the earlier (1st gens) you can go to http://civic1200.hypermart.net/discus/ there is a lot of info there and we all run the first gens.:sun:
luckyluciano
10-28-2002, 11:58 PM
Hey if you are still interested i have a set of RS dual carbs/manifold for $350 needs rebuild. let me know?
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