American Supercars

American supercars, sure we dont produce as many as Italy,France, or germnay but we've had our share. So which would u pick if u could have?
Vector W8
price $283 750 usd
engine Twin Turbo V8
valvetrain OHV 2 Valves / Cyl
displacement 5973 cc / 364.5 cu in
bore 101.6 mm / 4.0 in
stroke 92.1 mm / 3.63 in
compression 8.0:1
power 466.1 kw / 625.0 bhp @ 5700 rpm
hp per litre 104.64 bhp per litre
bhp/weight
torque 854.2 nm / 630.0 ft lbs @ 4900 rpm
redline 7000 rpm
drive wheels Mid Engine / RWD
body / frame Carbon Fibre, Kevlar & Fibreglass
front brakes Vented Discs
f brake size 330 mm / 13.0 in
rear brakes Vented Discs
r brake size 330 mm / 13.0 in
front wheels F 40.6 x 24.1 cm / 16.0 x 9.5 in
rear wheels R 40.6 x 30.5 cm / 16.0 x 12.0 in
front tire size 255/45ZR-16
rear tire size 315/40ZR-16
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
weight 1506 kg / 3320 lbs
wheelbase 2616 mm / 103.0 in
front track 1600 mm / 63.0 in
rear track 1651.0 mm / 65.0 in
length 4369 mm / 172.0 in
width 2083 mm / 82.0 in
height 1080 mm / 42.5 in
transmission 3-Speed Auto
gear ratios 3.00:1, 1.57:1, 1.00:1
final drive 2.43:1
top speed 350.8 kph / 218.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 4.2 seconds
0 - 100 mph 8.3 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 12.0 seconds
More pics here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6472&item=4527313732&sspagename=rvi%3A1%3A1v_search

2005 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
price $555 000 USD
engine Twin Turbo All Aluminum V8 w/Dry Sump Lubrication
displacement 7000 cc / 427.2 cu in
bore 104.6 mm / 4.12 in
stroke 101.6 mm / 4.0 in
compression Not Available
power 559.3 kw / 750 bhp @ 6300 rpm
hp per litre 107.14 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 560.54 bhp per weight
torque 949.07 nm / 700 ft lbs @ 4800 rpm
redline 6500
drive wheels RWD w/Limited Slip Differential
body / frame Honeycomb Composite Panels over Steel Space Frame
front brakes Brembro Ventilated Discs w/6-Piston Monobloc Calipers
f brake size 381 mm / 15 in
rear brakes Brembro Ventilated Discs w/6-Piston Monobloc Calipers
r brake size 356 mm / 14 in
front wheels F 48.3 x 24.1 cm / 19 x 9.5 in
rear wheels R 50.8 x 30.5 cm / 20 x 12 in
front tire size Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 275/35ZR19
rear tire size Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 345/30ZR20
f suspension Unequal Double Wishbones w/Aluminum Dampers, Coil-Over Srpings, Anti-Roll Bar
r suspension Unequal Double Wishbones w/Aluminum Dampers, Coil-Over Srpings, Anti-Roll Bar
weight 1338 kg / 2950 lbs
wheelbase 2700 mm / 106.3 in
front track 1748 mm / 68.8 in
rear track 1710 mm / 67.3 in
length 4774 mm / 188.0 in
width 1990 mm / 78.3 in
height 1041 mm / 41.0 in
transmission 6-Speed Transaxle
gear ratios 2.86:1, 1.61:1, 1.14:1, 0.96:1, 0.81:1, 0.64:1
final drive 3.70:1
0 - 60 mph 2.8 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 10.7 seconds
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2005@$Saleen@$S7%20Twin%20Turbox.html

Finally Ford GT
engine All Aluminum, MOD V8 w/Dry Sump Lubrication
position Mid Longitudinal
aspiration Eaton Model 2300 screw-type
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/Variable Inlet Geometry
fuel feed Sequential Multi-Port Electronic Fuel Injection (SEFI) with Dual
displacement 5409 cc / 330.1 cu in
bore 90.2 mm / 3.55 in
stroke 105.8 mm / 4.17 in
power 372.9 kw / 500 bhp @ 6000 rpm
hp per litre 92.44 bhp per litre
torque 677.91 nm / 500 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
redline 6500
drive wheels RWD w/Helical LSD
body / frame Aluminum Panels over Aluminum Spaceframe
front brakes Brembo Cross-Drilled & Vented Discs w/Four-Piston Monoblock Calipers, ABS
f brake size 356 mm / 14.0 in
rear brakes Brembo Cross-Drilled & Vented Discs w/Four-Piston Monoblock Calipers, ABS
r brake size 335 mm / 13.2 in
front wheels F 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18 x 9 in
rear wheels R 48.3 x 29.2 cm / 19.0 x 11.5 in
front tire size Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 235/45ZR18
rear tire size Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 315/40ZR19
steering Rack & pinion
f suspension Upper A Arm & Lower L Arm w/Springs, Monotube Aluminum Dampers, Tubular Anti-Roll Bar
r suspension Upper A Arm & Lower L Arm w/Springs, Monotube Aluminum Dampers, Tubular Anti-Roll Bar
wheelbase 2710 mm / 106.7 in
front track 1599 mm / 63.0 in
rear track 1618 mm / 63.7 in
length 4643 mm / 182.8 in
width 1953 mm / 76.9 in
height 1125 mm / 44.3 in
transmission Ricardo Six-Speed
gear ratios 2.61:1, 1.71:1, 1.23:1, 0.94:1, 0.77:1, 0.63:1
final drive 3.36:1
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2005@$Ford@$GTx.html

Fell free to make suggestions but keep in mine this is supposed to be a Supercar somthing that definds american sport car. The new z06 maybe the new mustang no. All spec provided by Supercars.net

O yah i forgot to say i pick the Vector sure it may not be the fastest but when it came out it was. Also check out the jet fighter insipred cockpit. With the vector you get a car designed by a guy who used to designer aircraft and EXTREME rareness. 18 W8 made.

You forgot the Mosler Raptor....


But I'd take the Ford GT...it brings a heritage, great motor, and looks the best IHMO...and you dont have to spend half a million on it...

the s7 saleen tt

why? cause it will kill everything on the street, including every car mentioned above

Ford GT for me, but you could probley of guessed that. It's fast cheap (for a supercar), looks good (the S7 TT has to many slits they added 28), and it's a FORD. I think the last one isn't a very good point for all but good enough for me.:biggrin::sunglasse:biggrin: Don't flame like crazy just a joke.

Oh and the Ford GT is rated at 550hp not 500.

Saleen, Gotta have the light carbon fiber body and enough downforce to drive upside-down. Then the vector because they're just so cool and retro. Then ford because... well... its a ford that looks like a dune buggy to me, thats not a supercar lol.... Ohh and its a ford so thats a big nono!

the s7 saleen tt

why? cause it will kill everything on the street, including every car mentioned above
:iamwithst,(JK, but I agree)

Saleen S7, if you dont think its sexy... well what do you drive?

lol^

Saleen S7, if you dont think its sexy... well what do you drive?

What we think is sexy is purely opinion my friend...

:rolleyes:

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/fordgt05_08_800.jpg

the s7 saleen tt

why? cause it will kill everything on the street, including every car mentioned above

Being the fastest doesnt mean you're the best...hell everyone loves the Enzo cuz it's the fastest Ferrari...ppl love the McLaren F1 b/c it was the fastest production car...blah blah blah...

I like cars w/character and speed...I mean if you gave me a Pagani...I would drive it...but not love it...sure it's fast and it has edgy styling...but I'd rather have a GT anyday...I havent seen one and probably wont...and I dont care if the Pagani is rarer...GT has class and history...unlike the Pagani

That's just a for instance...

Damn i knew i forgot one has nebody check out that vector interior i'll try to post some pics up later that way u dont' have to goto the link

In presnt company, the Saleen.

But didn't pontiac make a suprcar in the 80's?

Or at least a wierd highly customizable car?

This is a hard choice to make here. I love the looks on the GT, but I also love the performance on the S7.

Here is the choice I'd make. Take the engine and driveline out of the S7 and put it in the GT. I'd have the best of both worlds.

If I had to pick just one though I'd probably go with the S7. I don't think it looks that bad but the performance is un-godly and that's what gets my attention.

I'll take a Ford GT, it's the only one of the choices I've had an up-close look at. I'd consider trading my first born male for one.

http://www.geocities.com/mikeyg2122/05_4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mikeyg2122/25_4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mikeyg2122/29_4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mikeyg2122/86_4.jpg
Just a few pix of the vector see why i like.

lmao, I have never seen nore heard of one of those things in my life and no way in hell knew what it was called. But when I saw the 1st picture the word "vector" came to my mind. lol Perfectly named vehicle.
*wow that was kind of weird. lol

What about the calloway corvettes? :)

vector all the way.

There was a Vector in the movie Rising Sun that had Snipers, Connery...I think it was the only movie I had seen that car in...

Ahh, too many buttons!

The interior of that Vector kind of reminds me of my Vette but more flashy. I love the Vector already. So many buttons and displays it’s like being in a jet fighter.

As for the outside looks again I love em. Like my Vette but much more flashy. Since I will probably never get to so much as sit in a Vector, I wonder if I could just drop the body of one on my C4.

Anyone else heard of Mosler MT900.. Photon.. etc. Vette engine in a super-light beautiful body. Not sure on specs at the moment, but I know they compete with the others for sure.

Anyone else heard of Mosler MT900.. Photon.. etc. Vette engine in a super-light beautiful body. Not sure on specs at the moment, but I know they compete with the others for sure.

I have...I wrote on page one that he forgot the Mosler Raptor...just to name one

I love the Vector already. So many buttons and displays it’s like being in a jet fighter.

"I wanted to be a fighter pilot, but my eyesight's not good enough. So I decided to build a fighter plane for the street" - Weightert

You weren't that far from the truth actually. Anyway, I found that quote along with some information about the W8 from this site http://www.team.net/www/ktud/vector.html

Anyway, to me, the Vector W8 is nothing more but an American version of the Lamborghini. The looks, engine, and performance seem to match it all to well. If you read that site though, the company that owned Vector owned Lamborghini.

but look at the engine in the vector compared to the lambos of the same time oldsmobile v8 to lambo v12. Also why does that page think 500-600hp out of TTv8 is outragous? Thats actully quite tame but some of todays supercar standards.

bechta you can't guess what I voted for?! ;)

http://www.vectoraeromotiveclub.com/
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Just some more vetcor sites i thinkt he vetctor WX3 or M12 would have been better comparsion o well

i always thought that the proportions of the vector is alittle off. the over hangs were all wrong. and i always thought they were ugly compared to the countach. not to mention that the styling of the vector reminds me of vector triangles.

anyways looks wise, the GT takes the cake hands down. power wise though, the S7 TT. like what everyone said, if we could just put the engine from the S7 TT into the body of the GT then it would be perfect.

I have...I wrote on page one that he forgot the Mosler Raptor...just to name one

Different cars completely. Raptor is quite ugly.. though quite the performer.. the Photon/MT900 is quite beautiful.. almost looks like an S7 though.

saleen engine into a modern GT?
with that money, why not just go and persuade someone to sell you an original GT40?
then there'd be no argument as to what car is better...

i always thought that the proportions of the vector is alittle off. the over hangs were all wrong. and i always thought they were ugly compared to the countach. not to mention that the styling of the vector reminds me of vector triangles.

anyways looks wise, the GT takes the cake hands down. power wise though, the S7 TT. like what everyone said, if we could just put the engine from the S7 TT into the body of the GT then it would be perfect.

Yumm countach drool but then again what doesn't look ugly compared to the countach.

Ya, my vote goes for the Gt also. They are just so mmmmmmmmm.

Ahh, too many buttons!

and not enough gears! :grinno:

6 gears not enought for u? I think nething more is a waste. The only that could make it better would be a paddle shift so u could play F1 driver.

6 gears not enought for u? I think nething more is a waste. The only that could make it better would be a paddle shift so u could play F1 driver.

I think he was refering to the first post it say the vector has 3 forward gears to me that is not enough.

I don't really like the looks of the vector to much like an older lambo witch I don't like the look of either. The interior is pretty neat though.

Mosler MT900R Photon with the optional centrifugal supercharger (Vortech unit, I think).

The Mosler is the most successful of all the American supercars on track (which is the only TRUE measure of a supercar's worth; its track pedigree) and is devoid of any luxury or unnecessary technological frills.

The Mosler is a race tuned Corvette LS1 hooked up to a racing Hewland six speed transaxle. The Mosler is an aluminum/fiberglass composite honeycomb monocoque frame with carbon fiber bodywork. While the GT weighs 3390lbs, the Saleen weighs 2950lbs, and the Vector weighs 3320lbs, the Mosler featherweights in at a mere 2200lbs.

While the GT trades in on its successful racing forebear (quite crassly, too), and the Saleen bludgeons its way into GTS class mediocrity, the Mosler proves that racing is the one true measure of the breed, and followed a philosophy that has made idols of such marques as Ferrari, Lotus, and McLaren.

Before it can be a great sportscar, it has to be a great race car.

Could not have said it better.. Its just not as popular or as well known.

Saleen S7 is one of those cars that you will never see on the street, but hear about all the time. Same goes with the Lambroghini Murcielago, Porsche Carerra GT (I have a friend who's dad is getting one by mid March, so mabey I'll see it), or the Ferrari Enzo.

The Ford GT is more of a realistic supercar. It is cheap (as far as supercars go) and will steal F430 and Gallardo sales. You will see one every so often by the summer of 06'. The Ferrari 360 isnt uncommon in the city I live in (Its a wealthy, upscale suburb of Minneapolis), so I will see mabey 3 this summer.

I go with the Ford GT.

You want a real American supercar? "Suck" on this.

http://www.petelyons.com/Photo%20Galleries/Chaparral%202J/CA70WGlen_ChaparralA.jpg

http://www.petelyons.com/Photo%20Galleries/Chaparral%202J/CA70WGlen_ChaparralB.jpg

The 1970 Chaparral 2J "Sucker Car". It generates aerodynamic grip via a snow mobile engine hooked up to the underbody of the car. Weighing in at only 821 kg, thanks in part to an aluminum monocoque body, this car uses a monstrous 8.0-liter Chevy V8, sending 700+ horsepower through a 3-speed auto gearbox to the rear wheels. It doesn't get much cooler - or much faster - than this.

i) the ford gt won't be stealing sales because it is, if ford keep their word, a limited run car all of which, if i'm not mistaken, has been sold. 400 cars right?

ii) the ford gt isn't a realistic supercar because it only has an effective range of 75-90 miles on a full tank of fuel.

iii) the chapperal is a race car so i'm not quite sure if it can be used as an example....

All the fords Gt where sold like 2 weeks after there debut. Fuel consupemtion really doesn't matter. The chapperal is a race car so no good in this comp.

well, it matters when you are talking about a realistic supercar as he did.

well, it matters when you are talking about a realistic supercar as he did.

???? What do u mean realistic supercars? Supercars don't have to get 30 mpg its a super car. If u have the money to buy it u have the money to pay for the gas. Like tiff neddel said when ppl critizied the murcielago " its a super car if u want good gas mileage or a well behaved car buy a compact."

Fair enough. In that case, I'll stick with one of my favorite, and one of the most least known, American supercars, the Panoz Esperante GTLM.

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/aic/panoz_esperante_gtlmcoupe_2004_385x192.jpg

Take the immensely powerful and durable supercharged 4.6L DOHC V8 and six-speed manual powertrain from the SVT Cobra and drop it into a much, much lighter and more rigid space-age body with a race car suspension, and this is what you get. It's expensive and not overly reliable, but the uniqueness and pureness of the Panoz make it well worth the costs.

i didn't bring up 'realistic', the other guy did
and
it's not about mpg as they all have a mpg of around 10-20 anyway.
it's about the amount of miles you can cover on a single tank of fuel.
75-90 miles in the ford is just silly.
it isn't in any way, realistic.

the 360 has, i believe, a 25 gallon fuel tank; even at 10 mpg that gives 250 miles.
the same for the murcielago.
i think that car has a 26 and a bit fuel tank and typically runs 10 mpg (260 miles).

now do you see why i say the ford gt isn't really a realistic supercar?
it is, in my eyes, a toy.
something ford made in order to try to gain some credility.
as a singular example of how a car feels/behaves/performs it might well be a world class supercar but it is hardly an everyday use supercar that the other ones can be.

Ahh ok i see what u where u coming from now. As for the esperante its ok i read a article bout them not to long ago. But the Cobra engine doesn' just sound very super car to me. I know it probably has alot better P-to-W ratio though.

As for the esperante its ok i read a article bout them not to long ago. But the Cobra engine doesn' just sound very super car to me. I know it probably has alot better P-to-W ratio though.

Nope, it's certainly not a glamourous or particularly distinctive engine. What it is, however, is a powerful, durable, affordable, down-to-business motor that suits the Esperante perfectly, in my opinion.