Looking for some Reviews
Sheresh07
02-15-2005, 03:01 AM
Googled around a bit without much luck, I'm looking for a site(s) where I can find good solid reviews of the different sport bikes from about 1995 and up. A big plus would be advice/comments on what Brand gear to get etc.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
aussieidiot
02-16-2005, 01:23 AM
if you google for an exact model you might have better luck.
if in the US then i think sportrider.com is good
not much good to me being in tha ass of the world
if not ask us on a specific bike.
if in the US then i think sportrider.com is good
not much good to me being in tha ass of the world
if not ask us on a specific bike.
Sheresh07
02-16-2005, 01:55 AM
Well I hate to ask the question but, What would you suggest? Befor you answer let me get these out of the way, I am planning on buying a bike between the years of 95-2000, I figure they are old enough to be safe enough to start on. I was thinking of starting on a 600cc perhaps lower if I can find one. But I AM going to take the MSF course, no doubt about it. I weigh in at around 180lbs and have about 8 years previous expierence on snow machines, and while they are quite different they are also similar in some ways.
I have no pre concieved notions about what bike to get or model/make. I dont have my mind made up about which one to get other then the fact that I dont want to dip any lower then a 95. I am trying to soak up as much info as I can befor I commit to getting a bike so.
But yea basically I have no idea about which bikes are better suited for someone who is just starting out, other then that older with less power is better and generally more forgiving. So if you wouldnt mind, please suggest some makes/models to me and Ill look deeper into them.
I have no pre concieved notions about what bike to get or model/make. I dont have my mind made up about which one to get other then the fact that I dont want to dip any lower then a 95. I am trying to soak up as much info as I can befor I commit to getting a bike so.
But yea basically I have no idea about which bikes are better suited for someone who is just starting out, other then that older with less power is better and generally more forgiving. So if you wouldnt mind, please suggest some makes/models to me and Ill look deeper into them.
Sheresh07
02-16-2005, 07:58 PM
bumpage
Z_Fanatic
02-16-2005, 10:45 PM
If you wanna middleweight of 99-2000 you might as well get whichever current 600 you want. Ever since the introduction of R6 back in 99, 600s have been changed completely, the power increased dramatically. Although horsepower, weight, and even 1/4 mile may undersestimate what these bike are capable of, but to say the least, up until 99+, not too many stock 600s made clutchless power wheelies before then.
Many new riders usually pick up an older F2/F3, although they are just as untamed. Past posts will indicate riders have gone down in F3s because of power.
I have a 1990 FZR600, the least power you can get out of a early 90s 600, except for a Seca II may be. But for a newbie, the throttle is extremely sensitive, I had to adjust the throttle cable for a little freeplay (means even when you roll the throttle, the engine won't rev). It took me a while to get used to it, but if you read my previous topic, it's the brake that took me down and put me in a risk afterwards. Throttle and brakes are extremely sensitive on race rep sportbikes. And it is significantly slower than a F4 or R6. However this is relative, because my no means, this bike is slow for anyone, and still too much for the street. Good thing about it is that I don't have to worry about accidental clutchless wheelies.
Many new riders usually pick up an older F2/F3, although they are just as untamed. Past posts will indicate riders have gone down in F3s because of power.
I have a 1990 FZR600, the least power you can get out of a early 90s 600, except for a Seca II may be. But for a newbie, the throttle is extremely sensitive, I had to adjust the throttle cable for a little freeplay (means even when you roll the throttle, the engine won't rev). It took me a while to get used to it, but if you read my previous topic, it's the brake that took me down and put me in a risk afterwards. Throttle and brakes are extremely sensitive on race rep sportbikes. And it is significantly slower than a F4 or R6. However this is relative, because my no means, this bike is slow for anyone, and still too much for the street. Good thing about it is that I don't have to worry about accidental clutchless wheelies.
Sheresh07
02-17-2005, 03:16 AM
Ok so what I'm getting here is a 600cc bike would be good sized for me. I think I will start looking into bikes older then 95. The big reason I didnt want to as first was because I didnt want to get a bike that was gonna crap out on me 6 months after purchasing it. And I also didnt want to be "buying someone elses problems" but I will start looking at older bikes.
Oh and thanks for the heads up on the throttle/brakes sensitivity advice. Question though, I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged. Could you explain that to me? Oh and what are company makes the F2's/3's?
Oh and thanks for the heads up on the throttle/brakes sensitivity advice. Question though, I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged. Could you explain that to me? Oh and what are company makes the F2's/3's?
Z_Fanatic
02-17-2005, 08:59 AM
Ok so what I'm getting here is a 600cc bike would be good sized for me. I think I will start looking into bikes older then 95. The big reason I didnt want to as first was because I didnt want to get a bike that was gonna crap out on me 6 months after purchasing it. And I also didnt want to be "buying someone elses problems" but I will start looking at older bikes.
Oh and thanks for the heads up on the throttle/brakes sensitivity advice. Question though, I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged. Could you explain that to me? Oh and what are company makes the F2's/3's?
I'm not sure what you mean by "I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged", but clutch has to be engaged for any bike (except for scooters) or a car with manual transmission to get the wheel moving. If you're referring to clutchless power-wheelies, it means simply rolling on the throttle in 1st and 2nd gear in high rpm, the front wheel of the bike will continue to lift up. Where as bikes with less power, you have to pull in the clutch, rev it high enough and then drop the clutch, then the front wheel would become light and proceed to lift-off the ground.
I'm going to guess that you don't have too much knowledge about bikes at the moment, so I'd seriously discourage you from getting F2/F3. Because this was the bike used for supersport in AMA (and others) racing back when they came out. Although I don't always agree with what they're currently teaching in MSF from personal experience (not all MSF chapters are the same), but I'd highly suggest for you take MSF to get a better feel for riding, and it'll give you a good idea on which bike you want or size for that matter. As it is now, I could only recommend Kawasaki Ninja 250/500. Lot of riders also tend to buy Suzuki SV650 after taking MSF, but keep in mind it's faster than the Ninjas and sometimes wheelie-prone.
http://www.msf-usa.org/
Oh and thanks for the heads up on the throttle/brakes sensitivity advice. Question though, I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged. Could you explain that to me? Oh and what are company makes the F2's/3's?
I'm not sure what you mean by "I didnt think it was possible for the bike to go anywhere on flat land if the clutch wasn't engaged", but clutch has to be engaged for any bike (except for scooters) or a car with manual transmission to get the wheel moving. If you're referring to clutchless power-wheelies, it means simply rolling on the throttle in 1st and 2nd gear in high rpm, the front wheel of the bike will continue to lift up. Where as bikes with less power, you have to pull in the clutch, rev it high enough and then drop the clutch, then the front wheel would become light and proceed to lift-off the ground.
I'm going to guess that you don't have too much knowledge about bikes at the moment, so I'd seriously discourage you from getting F2/F3. Because this was the bike used for supersport in AMA (and others) racing back when they came out. Although I don't always agree with what they're currently teaching in MSF from personal experience (not all MSF chapters are the same), but I'd highly suggest for you take MSF to get a better feel for riding, and it'll give you a good idea on which bike you want or size for that matter. As it is now, I could only recommend Kawasaki Ninja 250/500. Lot of riders also tend to buy Suzuki SV650 after taking MSF, but keep in mind it's faster than the Ninjas and sometimes wheelie-prone.
http://www.msf-usa.org/
Sheresh07
02-17-2005, 03:50 PM
Ok thanks, and yes I am going to take the MSF befor buying a bike so.
As far as the wheelies go I thought you were talking about having the bike in neutral and popping a wheelie with the bike but alas after some thought that just can't be done. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
And yes I actually am looking at the Kawasaki 500/600s. I was on another site last night with reviews of the bikes and what not and the Ninja 500/600 stood out as the type of bike that would be right for me. It was also said numerous times that the bike was a good solid bike to start on due to it being relatively low center of gravity mixed in with good peg positioning for comfortable riding along with a good power to control ratio.
Infact this is the site I was looking at and am still reading through the begginner guide on the site.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com
As far as I can tell it has ALOT of useful information, espically in the begginnner guide. As I have mentioned befor I'm just trying to gather as much information as possible about bikes and the sport in general so I can make an informed decisions when the time comes.
Thanks for all the help so far.
As far as the wheelies go I thought you were talking about having the bike in neutral and popping a wheelie with the bike but alas after some thought that just can't be done. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
And yes I actually am looking at the Kawasaki 500/600s. I was on another site last night with reviews of the bikes and what not and the Ninja 500/600 stood out as the type of bike that would be right for me. It was also said numerous times that the bike was a good solid bike to start on due to it being relatively low center of gravity mixed in with good peg positioning for comfortable riding along with a good power to control ratio.
Infact this is the site I was looking at and am still reading through the begginner guide on the site.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com
As far as I can tell it has ALOT of useful information, espically in the begginnner guide. As I have mentioned befor I'm just trying to gather as much information as possible about bikes and the sport in general so I can make an informed decisions when the time comes.
Thanks for all the help so far.
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