A VERY tough decision to make... READ

Ok, im gonna put up a pole on this one guys. What do you think i should get. Either one is fine with me. Im just having a difficult decision on this one. I need your guy's input. And none of this 'Choose for yourself' I wanna know what you guys would pick. And why.

1.) 1987 Buick Grand National, 3.8L SFI TURBO
2.) 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6, 6spd. 5.7L MFI? N/A
3.) 1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT, 6spd. VR4, 3.0L MFI Twin Turbo
4.) 1993 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo 6spd. 3.0L Twin Turbo
5.) 2003 Dodge SRT-4, 2.4L Turbo. (Just joking on this one haha)


All of these cars are nice

Just need some insight. Im leaning twards the Buick and the WS6. However this kinda is intresting on what you guys would pick.

If I could have any one of them, I'd take the '93 Supra TT, because of their insane power and handling, Toyota reliability, and (in my opinion) cool and unique styling. However, 4th gen. Supras, particularly the twin turbos, are extremely overpriced right now. If I were buying the car myself, I'd rather buy a '90-'96 Nissan 300ZX. But of the cars on your list, if I were buying one, I'd buy the '00 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. The car is drop dead gorgeous, the power and handling are unrivaled by anything else in its class, and the price is very reasonable. Parts are cheap and plentiful, and reliability is, for the most part, pretty good.

99' VR4, best looking by far, AWD performance and handeling. Best of all, it lacks the supra pricetag.. Plus its not a 12 year old car lol.

2000 Trans Am WS6

This is my first choice because the after market on these is huge.

1993 Toyota Supra TT

This would be my second choice because they have a better resale value.

TT hands down for me. They are all amazing cars and I would kill for any but the Supra is my first choice..

I was going to add some input but I don't think I could be that objective in the matter (Note for the slow: Check the sig)

Before I pass any judgement, I would ask what the car is to be used for.

WS6 by far.
Reasons:
1. Lots of power
2. Inexpensive
3. Looks cool
4. Huge aftermarket full of inexpensive upgrades
5. Theres no replacement for displacement. which means the WS6 will always be capable of more power
6. Easier to find in good condition than Supra and VR-4

I picked the Dodge because it's the best choice financially. All of those cars are going to be some-what abused due to the fact that they're all sports cars aimed at a younger generations. The Dodge is still going to be under warranty and is no slouch in the performace catagory.

for me it was between the supra and the grand national. Turbo 6 cylinders are the shit. i went with the GN, just cuz it's a lot more of a sleeper than a supra, has the extra displacement, and i just love the look.

turbo 6 cylinders are shit HAHHAHAHAAH
so u are saying
Porsche 911 turbo
Nissian Skyline
Supra's
VR4s
300za
G35 TT
i can name many more. Dude come on
Also why did u pick the supra or grand nation both are 6 cylinders. I say got with the VR4 damn sexy. Also if u have the money for a supra TT take it put in the VR4 and tell almost everything u pull up to kiss your a** and leave them. Or the WS6 and the same. Two of my dream cars on the same list but still go with the VR4 don't see that many.

I voted for the GN. The WS6 is a little faster, but I'm not a fan of the "batmobile" look. I've always loved G-bodies like the GN and the aftermarket support is (believe it or not) more substantial than the F-body WS6, its just that the F-body is more recent and the names are more widely known. Dig into some nooks and crannies and you'll find tons of G-body stuff. I have two complete pages of favorites bookmarked for A/G body performance parts alone.

I'm not a fan of the 3000 for the "batmobile" reason. Its a nice quick car but I just don't personally like them.

I do like the Supra, but its not a "muscle" car. Its a tuner car. The GN is a true performer that screams down the quarter, incredibly easy to tune, and can be made to handle the same as the F-body. In fact, many of the G-body and F-body chassis parts interchange and are very common upgrades. Plus you'll be part of a very exclusive group of owners. And, (if its your thing) the GN groups are very active with shows, tours, cruise-ins, and mod days. Great group of guys and gals. I've never heard of a Supra car club, and if it exists I'm sure its not the same spirit.

GN all the way! Its truly a car that you can love, both because you love to drive it, and because it draws attention. Its truly a respected car, and for good reason

damn hard choice im my opinion..
1. ws6
2. supra
3. srt-4

srt-4 has so much potential and its the lightest of all of them but ws6 is just too powerful.

The only choices for me are the Supra or the WS6...I'd take the Supra TT if I had money to burn in mods...if not the WS6 if I had to be more frugal

99 vr4 is my dream car, thats my number 1 pick, 320hp 315lbs tq

looks amazing.

next would be the trans am ws6, if i didn't think the vr4 looked better, i would probably take this as number 1. just a beast

supra is 3rd, not to fond of the looks, not too exited about its power since its the same as the vr4. but it is very rare and the aftermarket is out of this world.

i dont think i'd even buy a srt-4

turbo 6 cylinders are shit HAHHAHAHAAH
so u are saying
Porsche 911 turbo
Nissian Skyline
Supra's
VR4s
300za
G35 TT
i can name many more. Dude come on
Also why did u pick the supra or grand nation both are 6 cylinders. I say got with the VR4 damn sexy. Also if u have the money for a supra TT take it put in the VR4 and tell almost everything u pull up to kiss your a** and leave them. Or the WS6 and the same. Two of my dream cars on the same list but still go with the VR4 don't see that many.
can you read, asswipe?
turbo six cylinders are THE Shit.
not shit, The shit

just for shits and giggles here's a pic of my buddy's recently restored 86 GN

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/93341IMG_0161-med.jpg
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/93341IMG_0162-med.jpg

yes i know his plate's visible, but those won't be the plates when the car is totally done and registered, so i guess it don't matter right?


and you couldn't give me an SRT-4 and expect me to keep it.

This one runs 12.20s on radials, has leather, gets 28 mpgs, and 50,000 original miles

http://www.gnttype.org/carofthemonth/archive/1thru30/sub21/carofmonthbig1.jpg

And this is just sexy to me...

http://www.gnttype.org/carofthemonth/archive/1thru30/sub17/bigcarofmonth.jpg

I just can't compare that to THIS and not chuckle, but its ENTIRELY personal preference...

http://nezna.com/albums/Friends_Oleg_3000_GT/DSC04641.sized.jpg

ok lets compare a highly modified vehicle to a stock VR4 :screwy:

that one on top is a regal t-type right? it's a shame the pontiac GTP's don't use turbo's, turbo 3800 is much better than a s/c one. with all the muscle(ish) cars making a come back i think it'd be awesome if there were a reintroduction of the buick regal w/ grand national package.




honestly, i'd feel priveleged to own any of the cars listed, aside from the neon.

I would say
1. WS6
2. GN
3. Supra

I really don't care for the looks of the VR4. WS6 is fastest of the bunch and the GN is second in looks. Plus it is highly modifiable.

I just can't compare that to THIS and not chuckle

http://www.autoworld.com/news/Mitsubishi/3000GT-VR4.jpg

http://buickgn.com/welds1.jpg

me either :grinno:

The GN is one of the coolest looking cars I've ever seen, and it'd be really cool to own one. My only complaints about it are the lack of a manual tranny and the difficulty of finding them, not to mention the price you pay for them.

well i think the supra but yeah they are reliable and all so yeah but vr4s are pretty ruthless to so i dunno and both run 13s stock... me personally i go for the supra but it really comes down to how much money u got...

ok lets compare a highly modified vehicle to a stock VR4 :screwy:

Actually, the first one pictured was only modified with a different wastegate to provide two more psi and larger injectors. The second one was lowered, but otherwise stock. You can check them out at www.gnttype.org (http://www.gnttype.org) . Those GNs ran low 13s straight from the showroom, and all it takes to break into the high 12s is sticky tires. They beat my 96 Impala SS. Ask me how I know :uhoh:

I'm not comparing highly modified vehicles, I'm saying they perform that way stock or with very little modification. Add on to that they were a corporate "accident" during a time when the most power you could get in a Corvette was 200. I find that to be some impressive stuff.

You are entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to clarify mine.

http://www.autoworld.com/news/Mitsubishi/3000GT-VR4.jpg

me either :grinno:

I can dig it... I just don't do wings. I find myself gravitating toward more boxy lines on cars. My favorite BMW is the E30, (80's 3-series) followed closely by the e38 (90's 7-series). I love the G-bodies for their sharp lines. That's a nice GT, by the way. Is that yours? Hard to tell from the Avatar if they're the same. Those GTs remind me of the Porsche 359 Rally cars of the 90s.

I would try to get a Regal T-type instead of a GN. It's more of a sleeper than the GN is. These can sometimes be hard to come by however. My second choice would be the WS6, they just look mean.

I would by far get the WS6 if I were you.
They're very fast, not too expensive, and they look great.

My next pick would be the supra though

supra TT no questions

I can dig it... I just don't do wings. I find myself gravitating toward more boxy lines on cars. My favorite BMW is the E30, (80's 3-series) followed closely by the e38 (90's 7-series). I love the G-bodies for their sharp lines. That's a nice GT, by the way. Is that yours? Hard to tell from the Avatar if they're the same. Those GTs remind me of the Porsche 359 Rally cars of the 90s.

no not my car, though maybe i need to put my car back in my sig.

that one is a 99, mine is a 92.

now i dont know much abou the gn, but i know there's a gn and then a gnp or something like that thats a tad bit faster than the regular ones. because i raced a regular gn and wasnt much of a fight. but hypsi, told me about the gn...something, that is a faster version

no not my car, though maybe i need to put my car back in my sig.

that one is a 99, mine is a 92.

now i dont know much abou the gn, but i know there's a gn and then a gnp or something like that thats a tad bit faster than the regular ones. because i raced a regular gn and wasnt much of a fight. but hypsi, told me about the gn...something, that is a faster version

its called a GNX lolz. seriously its a GNX.

And a seriously fine example of just such a GNX... This is truly worth the "buy it now" price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6137&item=4528967629&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Ugh, I find the Grand national to be an ugly looking bugger myself, but then again, ugliness has a strange way of being 99% of the appeal with American cars (I mean the Dodge Charger R/T is hideous, but god I want one more than anything). I'd certainly roll in a GNX, but I'd be more inclined to be a sucker for all the gadgetry and supercar looks that a GTO VR4 (Or 3000GT as it's known in the States) provides.


OK so I lied, my REAL number one choice is a Supra TT, absolutely insane cars, easy to have a streetable 800-odd hp 10 second Supra in a comofortable and rather cool looking package, so it sort of does what a GNX does while looking better and having a bit of technology on it's side.

I'd be glad to have the WS6 Trans-Am. In particular, I think the 30th anniversary edition was damned sexy wearing the original Trans-Am colors.

http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/transam30th.jpg

And at 35k off the dealer lot, I don't see how anyone could not like these stats.

0-60 mph: 5.3 sec
0-100 mph: 12.6 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 104 mph
Skidpad: .87g
Top Speed: 160 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 143 ft
Slalom Speed: 62.1 mph

Also doesn't hurt that the 1970 Pontiac Trans-Am is one of my top ten favorite muscle cars.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-firebird/images/pontiac-firebird-1970a.jpg

isnt that 1/4 time off a bit, shouldnt the time be closer to low 13's?

Well, fast-autos didn't specify whether it was an automatic or a six speed Trans-Am that posted that time. However, it does seem right in keeping with other LS1 F bodies.

Fast-Autos gives a 13.5second 1/4 for the 35th Anniversary Camaro SS, so it's believable that there's some variance in the times.

Grand National or WS6. If you really want a GNX but can only afford a GN, you can get a GNX kit to upgrade you GN to GNX specs(Check out the latest Hemmings Muscle Machines).