Aem Fuel Rail And Fpr

I was thinkin bout buyin an AEM High Flow Fuel Rail and FPR. I hear that both do not give any signifigant horsepower increases. Is this true to any extent? I thought i read a site that said that each will give an average of 8 horsepower increase. Let me know whats good. If i buy both its going to be in the next 2 days so get at me.

sounds like a lie, all the fuel rail does is allow fuel to go to the injectors, if anything its the injectors thatll make more hp(via better spray pattern or whatever). the stock rails are fine.
the fpr can make some power by allowing more fuel, and is a good investment for future tuning. if you dont want to cut the stock fpr(BM fpr), then definantly go for the AEM.

yeah i duno bout that site i read up on. I was talkin to my friend about it and he made me think bout if that site was rite or not. but im just lookin for somin cheap (not brand just mod) that will give me around 5-8 horsepower b/c im thinkin i need that much to get me into the 14.8s-14.9s

what do you have right now?

an aem and afr are all for tuning pretty much, you stick a part on your car and you need more fuel so you turn your fpr up to get more fuel.

i think of this way as a bad way to tune. but im the kind of guy that says do it right the first time

i have them on my b16. its not gonna do anything noticeable. the AEM rail is capable of flowing more fuel than the stock rail, but it wont be max flowed unless you have a larger fuel pump. and even then it wont matter unless you are turbo or supercharged and can get enough air in to the mix. the fuel pressure regulator can get you a small gain if you raise the pressure, if you have a few mods like intake and header to help the engine breathe better.

fpr: :thumbsup:
fuel rail: :thumbsdow:

get a obx header thats keep and you need one

well there both together if i buy them bambam. lol. nice faces. but do you think that i will be able to get 5 hp out of the FPR? or it a REALLY small gain? and for around $200 what could i get that will give me a min of 5 hp?

What do you guys think about the ecu chips on ebay????

i doubt it. and chips on ebay suck

get a obx header thats keep and you need one

you know that im not gettin a obx header. im only gettin the greddy header.


And if the chips on Ebay suck then what can i get for $200 that will give me at least 5 hp. or am im pretty much S.O.L.???

it's hard to get something for under $200 that is GUARANTEED to get you at least 5 hp. And what have you done to your car already? I'd suggest getting a cold air intake, that would help your throttle response. If you're not going forced induction, extra fuel is almost useless. People with turbo/supercharger add extra injectors and pump extra fuel because of the higher pressure.

But the bottom line is...

For small gains, try I/H/E first

For big gains, try I/H/E first, and then save up and go big with either an engine swap or forced induction

It's hard to help you when we don't know what you HAVE!

I have CAI,High flow cat, CAT back exhaust, retarded distributor, spark plug wires....i want headers but the greddy headers are $375. I might just take my $200 and sit on it till i get the rest for headers. I just want somin to give me 5 hp by time the track opens so i can def be in the 14's. After i get headers where should i go from there? I know after the track closes im takin my car off the road again and doin the mini me head swap so what else should i do for this summer?

save a little bit more and get a nice set of cams, that'll put you up over what you want...

cams are a lil more than $375. and plus you gota pay for labor. i plan on gettin cams but thats after the mini me swap.

cams are a lil more than $375. and plus you gota pay for labor. i plan on gettin cams but thats after the mini me swap.
dual cam mini-me's are so rare, thats awesome. :chair:




sorry to pick on you

Thats why I said save a little more ;)

and what he said ^ I thought you said you had a b16???

oh my bad. I got the stock motor. thats how i intend on doin the mini-me. my bad.

unless your shit is gutted to hell you aint no where close to 14.8's with i/h/e on a a6...

naws

hes sprayin?

well the way i figure it out is that i ran 15.5 @ 84 MPH when i had just CAI and muffler and some other lil shit so i figure with my exhaust, cat and somin else that i can get a min of 5 hp i will be in the 14's i mean that will be somewhere around 20 hp increase.

you stated your car has a retarded distributor? if the car is currently NA, its better to have it stock or advanced. retarding the timing is usually for when you have FI.

Pulleys!

i dont think hes on the bottle but if he wants a quick way into the 14s, use naws

the bullshit is that i know him and with intake and muffler i watched this boy run 15.5 it pisses me off. i dont understand how he does it

what was your 60?

15.5 at 84mph is about all your gonna get...84 mph is weak...did you run this at a track or with a gtech? or some ghetto stopwatch style 1/4mile time?

where the hell do you come up with 5hp = 14's? your crazy...5hp you will still be right where your at.

ok you all are startin to piss me off. I ran at a track in MD 75-80. And i put on a GReddy MX Exhaust and a high flow cat. And the online calculator that said i would run a 15.8 with just my muffler and intake now says that i will run a 15.2 with my exhaust and cat. Seeing out i crushed the time from my muffler im thinking that if i get another 5 hp then the online calc will put me around a 15.1 so therefor going by how i was at the track with just my muffler and intake i think i can break into the 14's. So dont hate just cuz you dont think its possible. I wish the track would open up soon so i can take a pic of the dam slip and post that on here. Its not a matter of what the hell i ran it started out as a matter of if the fuel rail and FPR will help me out and then it turned into what can give me around 5 hp for cheap. not any ghetto riged shit either. And i really dont care if you believe what i ran. For all i can you can think i ran a 17.2 and im tryin to break into the 16's. and if you dont believe me than stop posting.
holla

stop fighting forreal i saw him do it . i dont know how but he did ..

a 15.5...ok..that's believable.
But a 14.8 A6...nope, aint happening unless you run nitrous...and stop usin' that ghetto 1/4 mile time calculator....so many more factors come into play at the track....like..."can you actually drive?"

LOL! Internet drag racing at its finest!

well the way i figure it out is that i ran 15.5 @ 84 MPH when i had just CAI and muffler and some other lil shit so i figure with my exhaust, cat and somin else that i can get a min of 5 hp i will be in the 14's i mean that will be somewhere around 20 hp increase.

20HP increase on an A6 wiht Intake/Ehxuast/Cat/ and some added fuel!? HAHA.. This thread is awesome.

I wish I would have seen this earlier.

BTW - You gotta tell us your 60' time when you ran the 15.5. 84mph is very slow, were you using drag radials or slicks or something!?

you cant rely on a online calculator because it doesnt account other factors(ie traction, temp, humidity, etc.)

yea post up the 60' you aint goin no where near 14's with 84mph trap unless your hittin like 1.2 60's or your car weighs 1600 pounds.

clocks can mess up also...how many times did you run 15.5? yea please explain.

and yeah does anyone use an AEM fuel rail in their car?

way off topic guys lol

aight damm...well i 60' was 2.3. and i know the 1/4 calculator is bs. i just did it to say what it said. it said i would run 15.8 and i ran 15.5 so yeah its bs. i ran better than what it says. So if i ran 15.5 with just muffler and intake you dont think that a A6 will run 14's with high flow cat, cat back exhuast and SOMETHING ELSE. Thats what im looking for is SOMETHING ELSE to get, not to sit here and argue about what i ran.

Check out this site
http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?resultpage=5&carmodel=307&data1=100&op1=>&data2=1000&op2=<&search2=et&days=10000000&resultsperpage=10&carmake=18

im at the bottom. loudcrxsi. thats all my times. i put that on there i couple days after i got back from the track cuz i wanted to see if it matched up with other CRX's. Theres a guy that ran a 15.4 @ 89 MPH in front of me and a guy that ran 15.6 @ 84 MPH. Therefore does my speed seem that weak now? Temp is on there 1/8 mile, 60' everything from the ticket.

All im tryin to figure out now is what i can get for a couple 100 bucks that will get me atleast 5 hp. Do i need to go on nemore about my time??????? And you guys outa post your times on there too. I might not run 14's and im not gona argue. im settin a goal just like i did last summer. so stop arguin and help. if you dont wana help than you aint gona post.

this is to funny

For 5hp for under $200...hmm I'd say advance your ignition timing, take off your a/c belt, take some weight out of the car, pass seat, interior in the back, misc shit. You should be able to get a light tune on your car at a dyno for $200 too.....All that should be near 5hp

Yes 84mph is weak.

5hp will not get you into 14's

Im trying to help you understand that 5hp is not gonna get you 14's no matter what some stupid internet calculator says. Your time is a bit off I would think but whatever. How many times did you run 15.5? and are you gutted? you never seem to answer these.

get a cam or a bisimoto d series header if you want some more power.

yeah i dont care if you ran those times or not. 5hp is not gonna get you into the 14s

no his car isnt gutted never mind that he said he wants to get in the 14's. he just wants to know what a cheap mod is that he can tell a small change with..........

p.s...... will cam gears help him with stock cams

p.s...... will cam gears help him with stock cams

Not really. How could it? If you ask me, FPR and fuel rail is also a total waste of money. Hondas run rich from the factory. Rich is okay, lean is bad so thats the reasoning behind it.

Breather mods (intake/header/exhuast) are not something that requires more fuel like forced induction of some sort, or a bigger more agressive cam that will also require more fuel to make its power.

I wouldn't count on reaching 14s with a few more HP. With a 2.2 60' I'm hitting 14.9s with around 92-93mph. I'm making a little more power than 120 flywheelHP you may be getting near with basic bolt ons on a stock SOHC.

2.3 60' with a 84 trap speed and a 15.5 doesn't compute for me.. Its stange. You got a scanner so we can see all the times? Sorry, it just seems really wierd. How low is your car? Maybe it was a really shallow stage? How many times did you run that time?

Anyway, its all pointless until you get to a track anyway.

Aight imma break all this down. And i dont have a scanner. When i went to the track and ran whats on dragtimes.com i had an AEM CAI, Muffler, NGK wires, double plat. plugs, retarded dist., Eibach Coilover (lowered 1.7 ft 1.5rr), Integra LS wheels, Yokohama ES100 195/50/15R, Short shifter, Castrol Synthetic oil, and im pretty sure thats it. Since then i put on a GReddy MX exhaust, and a high flow cat. So "I" figure that with the exhaust and cat i should get somewhere along the lines of 15 hp. I dont think thats to high of an estimate. And i checked the POS 1/4 calc that said that i would run a 15.8 last summer and i crushed that time and now the calc says i should run a 15.2. So i figure with the % error that it had last summer i might be into the 14's. And i want somin that will give me a bs 5 hp to help me chances a lil more. Weather or not i do it i duno. Theres no dam reason to get so pissy about it. If you dont believe that i ran a 15.5 last summer thats good. If you dont think ill run 14's with exhaust, cat and somin else to give me 5 hp then good. Out of 5 runs my best were 15.5, 15.7 & 15.8. pretty consistant. i duno. Ave. 15.66. So either way a good time to me.

And 88rex: good lookin out. im glad someone gave me some advise. i plan on takin out my A/C. I need it to get warmer out b4 i do that.

And SiZ: If you goto the website and even talk to ppl that have CRX's and ran mid 15's and even high 14's you'll see that 85 should be right there for mid 15's. You ran 14.9 at 92. Good if you look at the 1/2 second difference you should be able to "compute" if you dont wana believe it than good for you. im glad. its bad enough that kingpinn was there and i have someone co-sign on it and everybody still hates.

As for all of you that say i want 5 hp to get me in the 14's.....WTF. If you scroll up and read wtf i said you would understand. you all need to pay some more dam attension. Except BAMBAM. He knows too.

Im not tryin to make any enimies here. Im just tryin to get everything out there so everyone is at an understanding as to wtf im talkin about. maybe its not comin out rite i duno. I mean you ppl on here got a lota knowledge and thats why im askin. but it seems like at the same time you all aint readin everything either.

Holla at me.

Yah, take out the A/C...

Okay, I haven't been to the track yet (need to travel good ways to do 1/4) but I will and let me tell you all what I have and then if I don't get at least a 15.5 then I'm driving the car straight off a cliff.
-d16a6, no A/C, ported intake manifold, dc ceramic coated header, custom exhaust, hi-flow cat, aem cam gear, slightly more aggressive cam (don't know name), unorthodox racing pulleys, exedy stage 1 clutch, 11.9# ACT flywheel, jacobs 8.5mm wires, bosch-2 plugs, a plexiglass sunroof, 9# '86 crx si alloys w/ 185/60-14 all seasons, arospeed adj. coilovers dropped 1.5" and a cold air intake...
I've never much cared about track times before but after reading so much about it I've got to get a slip.

Your gonna need nitrous to hit 14.9x or faster.

No one is tryin to hate but you come in here and say something about an online calculator with already shady times and people are gonna ask questions, people always ask me questions about my shit too.

Get over it and just deal with it man, were just telling you your gonna need some major weight reduction or nitrous and a better 60' to get into the 14's

a exhaust wont give you that much without a header. since the header is coming right off the engine, itll effect the engine more then a cat-back exhaust. if you can save a little more, try to find a used aftermarket header like a bisimoto or something(or if your cheap, just cut the collector to the size of your pipes). also try to get your timing advanced, youre actually losing hp if you retard in a NA motor.

thats it, he wants to get all pissy with everyone trying to help him. im just gonna flame him from now on. just like how he called that other guy stupid for asking about a minime

you come in here and say something about an online calculator with already shady times and people are gonna ask questions

Ummm.. Ya. Think about it.. This is the internet, you'd have to be new, or a sucker to believe the shit you read on here unless there's real evidence to back it up. You come in sounding like a mag racer talking about an online calculator and taking .6 seconds off your 1320 time with some $200 mods and we're going to think you're silly. Why? There are a few of us who spend actual time at an actual race track and have an actual clue of what's going on. :p

I concur on the need for nitrous or serious wieght reduction, picking up an extra 7mph in .6 seconds less doesn't seeem doable for a small amount of money to me.

And I think its funny to piss you off too. Since I get a headache trying to make sense of your sentences, I just find something funny and post about it. You're funny!

if he says hes going with nitrous, its gonna piss me off more because i said nitrous 2 pages ago and he ignored it

lol this is true..

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hey civickiller...who called who stupid when they said somin bout the mini-me? It wasnt me cuz i'm gettin it done. And im not tryin to get all pissy all im tryin to do is get you all to understand what the hell im talkin about. I put up the site that has all the numbers from my slip. So im tryin the hardest i can to show you all my slip. And i used the online calc as a comparison. i think you all need to take more time readin instead of tryin to jump off about how the stock motor wont run 14's without weight reduction or spray.

What i wana know is
Civickiller
CivicHBsi91
Siz

What motor and mods do you have in your car? And what times do you run?

What motor and mods do you have in your car? And what times do you run?

I'm proud of my civic! I have a stock D16a6 with 205,000 miles and it burns oil at high rpm! Mods? I've never been to the track, but I think i run mid 17's at about 65 mph! Yeayyya!

But really guys, lets all take it easy. Everyone is trying to help out - we're all civic lovers here :)

What i wana know is
Civickiller
CivicHBsi91
Siz

What motor and mods do you have in your car? And what times do you run?

Eye runned 14.9@93mph with my best 2.2 60'. B16A with an exhaust and K&N drop-in filter.

But really guys, lets all take it easy. Everyone is trying to help out - we're all civic lovers here :)

Thats what im sayin Ice_x.

And SiZ...do you know outa curriosity how much more the B1 weight then the d16? I've heard its a few 100 lbs heavier but i can see how.

[QUOTE=LOUDCRXSi]hey civickiller...who called who stupid when they said somin bout the mini-me? It wasnt me cuz i'm gettin it done. And im not tryin to get all pissy all im tryin to do is get you all to understand what the hell im talkin about. I put up the site that has all the numbers from my slip. So im tryin the hardest i can to show you all my slip. And i used the online calc as a comparison. i think you all need to take more time readin instead of tryin to jump off about how the stock motor wont run 14's without weight reduction or spray.

For real let it go. your making us look bad. o yeah next time i see you, probably toworrow... im gonna punch ya

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lol does it come in jdm.

dude you act like a mini me swap is hte hardest thing in the world. its just a head swap. my borther could do it.

and for your info.
im running a d15b7 with the stock dpfi and an intake. clocking 17.815 @ 75.575. incase you didnt know, the d15b7 came from the 5th gen dx, lx's so i had to do something called a motor swap