Course Race Challenge

What's up everyone? Asyou may or may not know, this is the second thread I've started on this forum. But the reason for this thread is because two weeks ago, I accepted a challenge from a fellwo racing student. The challenger is driving a '04 Mustang Cobra and from what my friend is telling me, it seems that he has quite the advantage over me. Now, if this was a quatre mile race, I can see where'd I'd be creamed.However, since it's a random constructed course. So neither one of us will really have the advantage. But why do I get the feeling that I've opened Pandora's box, and that this will lead to more challenges? But I've come to realize, it's not the car, it's the driver. Or is it? Who knows? Well anyway, This thread's here for everyone's feedback. Please send me your oinions on the issue.
Dboy

well, what do you drive and what kind of course is it?

his profile says geo storm, hopefully thats not what he's racing an 04 cobra with...

His profile says 91 Geo Storm. You must have something pretty special under the hood of that storm to think you can take a Cobra :eek7: .

Plus, Killah, he doesn't know the course. It's a constructed course. But if you do have something other than the storm, post pics. I want to see what you've got on your hands to take on a Cobra. L8...

Lol geo vs. Cobra. :spit: :owned:

Geo v. Cobra



Please do say you have something other...

Because....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/CBFryman/sniper2.jpg

No comment. :rofl:

If it's a really tight AutoX course, I don't see why the Geo couldn't win.

i'd still put my money on the Cobra unless the geo had some serious suspenison modifications and the cobra driver wasnt all too experenced.

only if it's an auto-X type course though would he have a chance (aka NO straightaways)

Yeah but drivers being nearly equal stock v stock the Cobra would kill. at least its suspension is performance oriented for everyday driving performance and road courses where as the geo is set up for comfert. 95hp is about right for a good little 2500lb autoxer but FWD v RWD isnt ideal. if this guy is a noob and you are a seasoned driver and it turned out to be course that looks like it was layed out to resemble a plate of spagetti, however, id even say put some cash on it.

If theres even the slightest almost possible straightaway..it doesn't matter how 'good' the guy did in his geo...the cobra would just have to nudge the gas and pull him back.

Unless dboy adds something, this thread is dead.

well, what do you drive and what kind of course is it?

I drive a 91 Geo Storm (See my profile) :P. as for the coursem 'll find out soon enough.

...it's not the car, it's the driver...

Well a lot of the time it is, but a Geo anything beating a Cobra has the same chance as Frosty the Snowman has of lasting 5 minutes in hell.

If theres even the slightest almost possible straightaway..it doesn't matter how 'good' the guy did in his geo...the cobra would just have to nudge the gas and pull him back.

Well, far as I know the course will be to neither of our advatange, so more or less, it comes down to simply who's the better driver. My car is in excellent shape (or it WLL be, once I get it back from the shop tomorrow) and I'd wager his cobra is will be in peak condition as well.

So, we'll just see how it plays out. Till then.

-Dboy

Good luck, Frosty. I'd say you ain't got a chance in hell. :)

how can the course be designed so that neither of you have an advantage? That would mean no turns but at the same time, no straights. I put every cent, and then some, on the Cobra.

I like to root for the underdog, go Geo!

I would just like to add that although I hope the guy in the Storm wins, I think the Cobra probably will.

Make sure you let us know how it goes.

Get a vid if you can! Either way it would be fun to watch. God I'd love to se a geo beat a cobra stock for stock in any kind of competition.

Edit: I looked up the specs on the storm, the sites I found wern't too good but here are the numbers.
1.6L SOHC 4 banger
2475lbs
0-60 in a blistering 16 seconds!
1/4 mile in a lightning fast 21.3 seconds at 80Mph!

the geo might have a slight advantage on a VERY tight and VERY SLOW autoX. this is asuming that both drivers have equal skill with their cars, and have close to equal quality of tires and suspensions setups.

i vote mustang for the win.

Well..just bringing in another random element..it doesn't really matter if you win. you're still driving a geo and the other guy is driving a mustang cobra. :p

I hate that argument. Some guy could beat me in a Cobra, and I could say, yeah, but at the end of the day, I went home in a BMW, and he went home in a Ford.

*devil's advocate*

I've been held up by a 1995 Supra Twin Turbo on a race track (Lime Rock) before in my Miata. After 3 laps of being stuck behind him, he politely spun off track in front of me. Sure, he'd pull 30 car lengths on me on the front straight, but I had to back off early in turn one to avoid running him over coming out of the corner.

*real story*

The driver of the Supra was inexperienced, and didn't have a clue. I had 50+ days of track experience at the time, including 5 or so at LRP. Lime Rock is also a momentum track, and favorable to Miatas.

*realistic expectation of this race*

The best chance the Geo has is if the Mustang breaks. The Geo should get creamed

the best chance you have is if the guy doesn't know how to handle 390 underrated horsepower going to his rear wheels, which could very well be the case...he is either gonna beat you senseless, or spin out, hit cones, therefore disqualifying himself.

You could always say "it's not 'just a ford' it's a cobra!". This guy can't say "it's not 'just a geo' it's METRO".

hey now, watch yourself.... it's a STORM!

... anyways, this is stupid. ill tell you right now, if the course did look like a plate of spaghetti and the cobra guy was smart at all, he could just keep it in second or third and cruise through the course. Has anyone ever been in a geo when you floor it? Even first gear feels like 5th in a normal car, nevermind a cobra

OOPS, SO SORRY. I meant STORMMMMMMMM feel the wrath of the STORMMM!!!! RAHHHHHHHHH! Okay, that's gay.

1. he said the guy was a "fellow racing student". what does that mean? you both take racing classes or something at the same school?

2. have any of you guys ever autocrossed? not watched, done it! there is no advantage for the storm. no matter how many corners there are you still need power to get through them. the Cobra will level him unless the guy really sucks and keeps spinning out.....which can happen.

3. The cobra has a fater Slalom, faster emergency lane change, faster acceleration, better side G's, faster brakeing. the Cobra is a better car no matter where you measure them, the power of those two cars is way too much appart. Unless the Geo has some serious upgrades ( and he has yet to mention any) I dont see this as even a challenge. the Cobra will cream him. Sorry dude but I've just recently started autocrossing and its not rocket science, you better hope he really cant control the RWD and spins.

Accidentally sabotage the tires of your car right before the race so you have a good excuse to back down, w/out backing down. Either that or ask for a 1/2 course head start.

It should be an intresting race. If you hit him with your beater, and it hurts his car and he gets pissed and starts running after you on foot, you would stand a snowballs chance in hell still in yo' tightass geo! Im telling you the truth, you stand NO chance.

man wut u be talkin. he gonna FWD dit da hole dam thang...

0-60 in a blistering 16 seconds!
1/4 mile in a lightning fast 21.3 seconds at 80Mph!

I'm thinking a few stickers, a fart can and a massive wing made from wood can cut that 0-60 time down in half!

Why anyone would race a Geo Storm under any condition is beyond me. But for the sake of pure entertainment get the entire thing on video. This race is almost like the Tortoise and the Hare.

Unless the driver of the Mustang makes a mistake or you have some extensive suspension mods and some engine mods I don't see any way for you to win.

His car outclasses yours in every way. It just comes down to you and him and I would guess that since you are both at a school teaching racing skills that he is not a dolt and can handle his car.

Good luck, but I don't think you have a prayer. Get a video if you can!

yes!!! so there is a slower car than mine!!! :grinno: uhhh i just hope you didnt put any bets on this....as for "opening pandoras box; inviting new challenges" ????????? i dont think youre gonna have any more challenges after this one unless you buy a supercharger.

A little quote from Robbie's Geo: "Colorado Storm" on cardomain.com
"BTW, if you still think the engine is weak, ask yourself why Lotus would drop the same engine in their Elan M100. Yes, the same Elan M100 that is feared in the SCCA. . . "

That's the same engine I've got in my car, and I just got a new turbo installed (well a replacement Isuzu RS turbo). I just got my car back from the shop today, and I definitely felt a difference in the acceleration. Handling is definitely better after they changed out for Hawk Performance brake pads, Fidanza flywheels and BFGoodrich GForce tires.

My engine with turbo.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/uploads/238682/impulse_engine_w_turbo.jpg

I'll have more specs later as it's late and I'm tired, BUT, we're both practicing on the course over the next couple of weeks (till the end of the month - and we're practicing seperately, I have afternoons, he has mornings), and there are definitely some straightaways, but they're kept to a minimum (in the beginning, it's almost like 70 yards, but shorter than that in the rest of the track), and I'm sure he's gonna pull away during those straightaways. But I know I have more drive time under my belt lately than he does, and I'm already feeling a bit of strain after one afternoon of work, so I know he's either going to be hurting a lot more than me (ha) or won't be putting in nearly as much time at the track. It's also a mid-course, so it's definitely going to test our endurance, and from the looks of it, we're both pouring with sweat.

Look, I understand the Cobra is a dynamite car (hell, I wish I had one), especially after having seen what it can do in a drag. It definitely performs hot off the line. The 0-60 is sweet (but I can't remember the exact time), as is the quarter mile (13.15 seconds), but what I've seen of the guy, he's just really sloppy. I don't expect him to be able to hold the corners very tightly compared to me, so if anyone was actually watching us, I don't think anyone would really say he's got that much of an advantage (he's really sloppy in the corners - brakes too hard, too early, doesn't accelerate soon enough, etc.).

Please understand, the past couple of weeks I've been trying to psyche myself up for this race and not let myself down throughout it all. There is a part of me (admittedly kinda big) that says he may win, even if just for the car, but the point is I'm putting my heart into this, and I WILL learn something from this, win or lose. And I don't intend to make myself look bad in the process, compared to him.

Sorry if I'm coming off as pissed off right now, but it's late, I'm tired and sore, and a LOT of people are busy downing me (which I can understand based on the cars), but it's not doing much for my self esteem. I don't know how many of you are racers, but those of you who are should know how much just being a good driver can help in the race. It took a lot of heart to accept this challenge. I know in the long run I might lose, but I'm definitely not gonna be a sore loser. Just being challenged by him (as he's supposed to be a good racer), does mean something to me, so I don't mean to down him too much, but I am trying to learn here.

Thanks, to the few of you who are voting for the underdog,:biggrin:
-dboy

A Turbo Geo huh?

Might be interesting.

Good luck :)

Like I originally said, if the course is tight enough so that the Cobra can't stretch her legs... the Geo stands a chance.

I still stand behind that statement, and Go Geo!

Well, I'm pulling for the Geo by default (GM vs. Ford, what can I say, I'm a member of the GM Mafia).

About the few straight stretches. I race at a track where the race distance is only 330 ft (a football field plus endzones). He said one of the straights were about 70 yards long (around 3/4 of the length I race in).

Now I dont want to sound all negative, but I've raced cars (in time trials) that were only about 4 tenths slower then me (4.4x to 4.8x) and once we get passed 60 ft, i never see them again (probably beat them by 3 or 4 lengths to the finish line), lol. True, this is going in a straight line (not having to worry about braking) but when you are A LOT faster then the other car, you can put A LOT of car/bus lengths on it in a relatively short distance.

Example: there is a car that runs in my class (Bracket 1) that BARELY meets the time requirements (5.49 is the cut off). His car runs like 5.45, lol. I've raced him a couple times, but mainly in time trials (when its heads up), and its not even close! Its like worse then a half track between us.

Anways, all I'm saying is that those approx. 70 yard straights may be long enough for the Cobra to put some serious distance between him and the Geo.

Good luck with the race though! I'm pulling for ya!

see you never told us your mods Dboy. now that we know you are heavily modded then ok, you might just beat the guy. it takes double the skill to control a Cobra, those cars are for the avit driver. the Geo is easier to handle therefore you have the advantage as far as control. good luck bro I'm rooting for ya.

Well, this changes things a bit. I had no idea that you had a turbo Storm. I was thinking you had a base model. Turbo Storms are kind of rare. You also said you have some better tires on there than stock not to mention you said he brakes too soon and too hard and accelerates too late. If he is a sloppy as you say he is and the course is mostly tight then I would have to change my mind with this new info. You might have a chance at beating him.

Like I said before though, get a video of it! :)

Go little Geo, GO! I believe in you!!!

in light of the new info, you have a much much better chance of winning. i was basing my guess off of you having a base model, and that the drivers were of equal talent. but the fact that he isnt a very good driver gives you more of a chance than the fact that your car is modified (turbo, etc...)

nothing new to report. just checking in, letting you all know I'm still alive. Still practicing. Talk Later. *rushed*

Don't bring back your own thread. That's just ridiculous. L8...

Why? It's only been 6 days since the last post.

Not exactly dead, was still on the front page. He's just updating... had it been a few weeks or a month. Then I might say something, but this subject matter is interesting... a Geo vs Cobra in a tight road coarse...


No fiction too it. ;)

I hate that argument. Some guy could beat me in a Cobra, and I could say, yeah, but at the end of the day, I went home in a BMW, and he went home in a Ford.


Yea, I feal sorry for you...:D


But I bet this guy just posted some bs story to try to get our dander up(I just watched Gods and Generals).

Hey,sorry I haven't been on the thread more but I've been busy. I hope you urdestand. Well, I found a note on my car, the note says, "Hey, you drive a really slow car, I kind of feel sorry for you, so before we start, I'll give you a head start. But even withthat start, I'll be able to catch you. But I'll manage to make you look kind of good. In fact, tell you what, when I win this race, I might give you a pat on the back. Or, if you want, I'll take you to go get a better car than what you're driving. That way, I can be your new role model and you can look up to me. Your hero, Jason D. Arbo"

This guy sounds like an A-hole...please whoop his arse.

Okay, first, I wanna apoligize to everyone for dropping off the planet the last few weeks. Loss of net connection is to blame for that.

Second, in case you're all still wondering how the race went, well... I do appreciate everyone's support and helpful tips, but sadly, support and tips don't win races.

To all those who swore up and down I'd lose, give yourselves a pat on the back, aren't you smart.

Just means I'll have to try a little harder next time, doesn't it?

Well, I'm out for now. This is Dboy, signing off.

Peace.

P.S. No video's were made and should someone I know happen to have brought a camera, I'll try and get pictures posted.

It's nothing to be ashamed of..you lost to a superior car. Maybe not a superior driver.

I just happen to hear from a few guys in class that one of our fellow classmates had received a challendge from our local Mustang Cobra. he drives a Geo Storm. I thought "okay...this is going to be a cake walk for the Mustang..."....but heres what went down...
The lead was of course brought off from the start by the 'Stang... But the curves is where Mr. Geo had it on lock. First off. The Stang driver couldn't keep dboy off his tail-pipe. Now dboy had some probs from the jump...but nothing that a bit of good cornering couldn't fix. he caught up quick. Only to have this (well to say bad cornering driver) nearly slam him into the wall coming out of the curves not once...but twice. Dboy never really had an advantage but...had the driver of the Stang not gotten in his way...not to mention his own way...then I strongly think that dboy would have pulled this one out. I am bringing my friends 97 Civic...(stock)..up from florida...and I have a small challendge Rematch the 'Stang.....come on Mr. Mustang Cobra...I wanna see a real race.
And Dboy don't feel bad...I know how to drive. If he wont accept a rematch....then I'll race you. name the place and we'll have a good time just gettin' in some drag...if you want.

Nudge. Somebody check his IP...

Everything checks out.


Sorry to hear abotu that Dboy... I was really routing for that Geo of yours to pull the win.

Maybe get some pictures of your car and explain to us again in better detail what exactly it is you do... the racing that is.

I'm curious.


Anywho... this thread is fairly old now... so c'mon back with some pics!