Don't kill me!!

hey guys, i shouldn't even be in this worthy part of the forum. i am a honda civic (vtec woot woot) owner and i'm looking into getting either a 180 or 240sx. i want rwd import (honda doesn't make anything other than the s2000 and i wont buy a mazda) but i need to do some home work. what are the main differences between a 180 and a 240, which one comes with a cvvt? please explain the engines, options and models. i want to know everything about these cars. i wont be doing a swap. i need to get on this because there is a rx-7 rolling around spokane that i want to toast. on my 125hp civic i have intake/exhaust, rims/tires and lights/wing..........fast enough to push sentra's around. and as far as handeling, i love the civics sharp handeling, is the 240/180 in the same ball park? thanks guys for helping me out!

you're lucky that i'm the first one to reply. my anger is focussed somewhere else right now.
before suislide closes this thread, you should think about reading the faq. every one of your questions is answered there. did you not think about that?

F.a.q. You!

ummm, arent you in washington? me 2. And i doubt you'll ever get a 180sx legel in the states. The 180sx has a 1.8litre dual overhead cam, electronically fuel injected, turbo charged. Hence the 180sx having a [CA18DET]. This also is the reason for the number, 180sx is the 1.8 in the engine, get it? So, with this info, take a guess what the 240sx has?? of course it has a 2.4litre dual overhead cam, electronically fuel injected, NON-turbo engine. In the USDM versions of the silvia, we were only available with this, the KA24(D)E. I put the qoutes around the D because from 89-90 they had only single cam engines. Hope this info helps. Id type more but you can go find this stuff in the FAQ,good luck!!

on my 125hp civic i have intake/exhaust, rims/tires and lights/wing..........fast enough to push sentra's around.

I kinda hate making fun of people...but wow good thing the lights and wing give you 40hp...other wise those sentras would destroy you...and compared to any "real" sports car...the civic handles like shit...IMO

hey guys, i shouldn't even be in this worthy part of the forum. i am a honda civic (vtec woot woot) owner and i'm looking into getting either a 180 or 240sx. i want rwd import (honda doesn't make anything other than the s2000 and i wont buy a mazda) but i need to do some home work. what are the main differences between a 180 and a 240, which one comes with a cvvt? please explain the engines, options and models. i want to know everything about these cars. i wont be doing a swap. i need to get on this because there is a rx-7 rolling around spokane that i want to toast. on my 125hp civic i have intake/exhaust, rims/tires and lights/wing..........fast enough to push sentra's around. and as far as handeling, i love the civics sharp handeling, is the 240/180 in the same ball park? thanks guys for helping me out!

Unless you live anywhere other than the US your getting a 240. dont worry about the 180... pretend it doesnt exist because if you learn about it your gonna start calling your 240 a 180 and then I'll heve to kill you.

P.S. even if you get a 240 any Turbo 7 is gonna kick your ass.

Unless you live anywhere other than the US your getting a 240. dont worry about the 180... pretend it doesnt exist because if you learn about it your gonna start calling your 240 a 180 and then I'll heve to kill you.

P.S. even if you get a 240 any Turbo 7 is gonna kick your ass.

REally. I can't stand when people put 180sx on a 240sx. I'm always like "What engine do you have in there?"

Yes a Turbo 7 is gonna beat you unless you plan on dumping some money in your car. Well its gonna be that way with pretty much any inexpensive car unless you get a deal on something.

What is the RX-7s Potential?

What is the RX-7s Potential?

Are you serious? People have 800whp street driven FDs, they are monster cars, not quite as powerful as the 2JZ, but it's right up there.

nope wasnt kidding I dont know much about the platform...I have an okay idea of how the Rotorary works but...nothing about the FC3S or the 13B? i think

FC's aren't as potent as the FD's. they ahve 1000whp FD's also, however they are from triple turbo charged 20B tri rotor engines swapped in.

stock wise a RX-7 TT can run a mid 13. they take mods well, the only problem is with the fuel management. you need to get either a ECU reflash or a power FC before you can really crank up the power or else you'll blow those engines quick.

i went to one of my friends RX-7 meets. they got two there with very nice V- mount intercooler setups, and two of them made over 400whp. one on stock turbos, one on a large single turbo upgrade.

man its good that i didn't fuck that guy up.. this didn't turn out too bad as a thread.. the fc and fd are only potential competition for the 240.. its good to know what we're going up against..

I think the FD is more in the $30k sports car territory, such as 300zx, 350z, Supras, C5 Vettes, M3, Evo, STi and so on. maybe even Eclipse GSX, i've seen a vid of one smokin a 750hp Supra.

240s are more the lower level of the power playing field. such as MAYBE FC's (cuz they can be monster's too, possibly in that upper level), turbo MR2's, Celica GT-S, Eclipse GST, V6 Stang's :icon16: , and so on and so on.
these days its kinda hard to honestly compare cars cuz mods can be taken to new heights in different aspects of each car. but still, comparing a 240 to FD isnt too fair. its like compraing Sammy Sosa to Mark McGwire, McGwire got more steroids therefore he's bigger and badder.

but you know, when i honestly think about it, what other budget RWD sports car do we have to compete with? i can't think of any.

The FC is a budget RWD car, besides, MKIV TT Supras run like 35grand here, TT FDs are like 18, and TT Z32s are likes 20, so those aren't Supra status. And M3s (late model) are like 60-70 used so......

All prices are CDN btw.

y not just tune your civic???

Eh RX-7 TT are up there in the badass car club. There one of the cars that you can buy and lay down the law that day on the way home. In a 240, it isn't gonna happen.

i would like rx7's more if i hadent heard so many problems with the 13b rotarys overheating. The wankel design is very different and powerful though.

what's your reason for getting a 240? If you want drag race rivals get something else with a factory turbo... in that case it'll be easier to upgrade.

If you are just getting a 240 for the "drift craze" forget it.

the best part of this is when he asked in the 240 was in the same ballpark and the civic when it comes to handling. i just hate the feel on FWD. and yea u will never get a 180. u should just leave racing to us and ricing to urself

2 things:

civics handle pretty crappy, but the worst part is the horrible steering wheel. ive driven like 4 or 5 of my friends civics (cuz they were drunk) and they all have the shittiest steering wheel, it just ruins the driving experience, doesnt give good steering feel at all. its really small, and plastic and lopsided and gay. i love the chunky ass steering wheels on 240's, as well as the buckety seats. so if you were to get a nice steering wheel, nice seat, and at least lowering springs, civic would be ok handling wise i think.

and 2nd i was looking for a turbo FC for daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays but they are super super super super rare, at least around me. ive always wondered about that 20b swap.....mmmmm 3 rotors.... but i just wanted a turbo FC with just maybe exhaust and little things, but i totally couldnt find one.

but yeah RX-7's and Silvias seem to be two of the main drift cars so i see them in the same category. i would put mr-2's in there but i dont think they are nearly as cool (i still like them though)

what's your reason for getting a 240? If you want drag race rivals get something else with a factory turbo... in that case it'll be easier to upgrade.

If you are just getting a 240 for the "drift craze" forget it.


IDK what everyones thing is with "240s aren't for drag racing" IMO they are very good drag/street cars.

the beauty of the 240 is that you can do anything with it. spend $5000 and you have a great drag car, drift car, street car.. its not solely for drag, drift or street, its for all of them

yea there not bad for drag racing. Im actually getting more into this drag racing thing. At first it didnt seem fun to me (i guess cuz i was stuck with the auto) then bam i got my stick and its a whole different world. And the launch and shift, you have to "have it down" and it makes it funner.

Yea i actually had to choose between my grandmas non-turbo manual fc, or my parents 240 for my first car. I took the 240 just because i liked it better i guess. But yea rx's are great.

Your granny drives a manual FC? WTF??? Both my grand mothers barely know what a car is!

haha yea i had a pick between an 89 rx-7 stick and a 90 240sx auto both stock for my first car.... had to go with the 240 though cuz the only mechanic that would have been able to help me with the rotary was my dad and he is like 2 states away so i wouldnt have had a running rx-7 (im dont know shit about rotary engines) so yea..... yay 240!! haha

actually, rotaries are very easy to maintain if you know what you're doing. and they will be VERY good to you if you are good to them. they seem to enjoy being beaten, being revved high etc.

i'm actually buying an FC in march. basically the main reason why i switched is because it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find a rust-free S13 chassis in Ontario. the frames are almost always rusted away.

FC's don't have that problem, plus they can be cheaper to tune, they're stiffer etc..

it's really up to personal preference though.

as for the thread starter....:lol:

suislide, you ever going to lock the thread and ban the people spamming up the board? Not this one, but the one where everyone is harasing d-bo? Do you even know what im talking about?

man it should be ok.. nobody's posting in it anymore.. it'll disappear soon..

but brian, how is that you're gonna find an fc thats not rusted out? i'm assuming you're gonna look for anything between 89 and 94 ish.. they're just as old as 240s.. edit: the s13

exscuse my naive little question, but did any FC's actually come factory turboed? i've only seen NA ones for sale, which got me wondering...factory turboed ones must be pretty rare.

Yeah, the TurboII.

yes... turbo Fc's are damn sexy. Too bad it's so rare... i've only seen a couple.

The only reason why i would think the 240 isn't an ideal drag car is because the lack of a factory turbo. You would need upgraded internals + turbo-necessary-parts before pushing higher boosts. On the other hand, factory turboed cars can easily be pushed up with controllers + parts.

But of course, to each his own... plus if you're good w/ bolt-on turbos... it's your advantage! i envy you. haha.

there is more than enough whp on a stock ka to get you sliding... i guess that was my opinion. hell, i wouldn't mind accepting the fact that 240sx are extremely versatile.

one thing i'm gonna do before i put my new tires on is go to one of the parking lots at the college by my house and tear the old tires up.. it'll all be on video.. its a huge parking lot so i'm gonna have my first shot a drifting too.. we'll see how much space i really have between lampposts.. should be interesting

sweet... be looking forward to that.

d-bo - for some reason the S13 was made of very poor quality metal. this isn't even a joke. S13's, especially ones in high-salt areas such as Ontario in the winter, rust quickly in many spots: the frame rails, the rocker panels, the quarter panels, the strut towers, the door jambs, the hatch (if you have a hatch that is), sometimes the doors (under the mirrors), a-pillars...you see what i mean? when looking to buy a car, if you see rust in any one of these areas on an S13, you can basically tell yourself that the car is either dead or will need ALOT of work to be safe. sure some of them will pass safety, but that doesn't mean they're safe. rust in a uni-body car means you have holes in your crumple zones and the car will not crumple like it's supposed to in an accident.

my old S13 had rust in every single one of these spots. i was a fucking dumb kid when i bought it, and now i know better.

FC's simply do not have this problem. pretty much the only COMMON rust spot among FC's is the rear wheel-wells. but even those take a long time to develop rust, and when they do, it's an easy fix. not like trying to patch a rusty frame-rail...

in Ontario right now, a rust-free S13 chassis will run upwards of four, maybe five grand canadian. where-as, for $3000, i have a line on a '90 S5 GXL with 214k on the body, a freshly rebuilt NA 13B with thicker apex seals, brand new paint, TII seats, TII hood (with the scoop), and TII exhaust, plus brand new brakes and tires. he also had the 2 small rust spots on the rear wheel wells fixed when it was painted. AND since it's a new model, it comes with the nicer tail-lights and front bumper.

i'm not abandoning 240's. there were a big part of my life for a long time, and i still love them deep down. but right now, an FC just makes more sense.

well now i remember a thread we had on why 240s are so expensive, and thats a damn good reason right there brian.. thats why mine cost $5000.. that and the guy had given me a stack of receipts from work he's had done in the year he had it..
the good thing about ontario now is that they're not using salt as much.. they're using some kind of calcium in their mix.. not sure how but our cars aren't nearly as dirty as they should be at this time of the year.. so hopefully s14s won't start rusting out as much.. anyways, that car sounds awesome.. good luck with it and i hope to see it at darknights!!

Rotary owns all. 3 moving parts inside the block :) 2 rotors and an output shaft. Insane RPMs. and rock hard toughness. Things can run on one rotar. anyways ya if it is 3rd gen you are SOL if staying with Stock KA. IF 2nd gen N/A you can do it. 2nd Gen Turbo II you will be hard pressed without your own turbo and mods. just drop a B16b in there and have some fun. oh yah and dont forget the stickers 1 Hp per square inch of sticker on your car.