Sup'in up a GS..is it worth it?
96EclipseGS
02-12-2005, 02:02 AM
Hey guys, im lookin to supe up my GS, i have headers and exhaust so far, im lookin for every possible horsepower/torque gain without a turbo, so far my list consists of:
ObX Headers
OBX Full Exhaust 3"
Throttle Body Spacer
(Possible) Bigger Throttle Body
Larger Fuel Injectors
SuperCharger
Front Mount CAI
Dual Electric 12" Fans (instead of single fan)
Venom 400 ECU Chip
Adjustable Cam Gears
Am i missin anything? if so please help me out, i got a lot of money to spend on this all.
ObX Headers
OBX Full Exhaust 3"
Throttle Body Spacer
(Possible) Bigger Throttle Body
Larger Fuel Injectors
SuperCharger
Front Mount CAI
Dual Electric 12" Fans (instead of single fan)
Venom 400 ECU Chip
Adjustable Cam Gears
Am i missin anything? if so please help me out, i got a lot of money to spend on this all.
shadow eclipse
02-12-2005, 06:19 PM
Im pretty sure you already have two electric fans coolin your radiator. Thats what your talkin about right? Also upgrading the fans wont help performance much stockers do it just fine unless you have some serious modifications or need room for a turbocharger. peace
helliviknow
02-12-2005, 06:43 PM
theres two fans, one for radiator and one for a/c condensor or something. By supercharger I am guessing you mean one of those bilge pump electrics? you pretty much got all the bolt ons. only thing i can think of is underdrive pulley.
If your still not happy your about out of options. forced induction is about to only path now. Or you could always spray some go juice... peace
If your still not happy your about out of options. forced induction is about to only path now. Or you could always spray some go juice... peace
AngelOfNight 9
02-14-2005, 02:09 AM
You mention cam gears, well how about Bigger cams? You will also need a performance intake manifold a long with a bigger throttle body unless you go for a 1G intake and TB swap & you'll need a cooler running thermostate. Venom fuel rail and performance fuel pump & regulator. *A performance water pump* Which a lot of people over look as well. If you're under a 97 then I believe you can get away with gutting your convertor. A light weight flywheel & pulley kit. Performance coil and Royal Purple fluids to reduce friction.
drdisque
02-14-2005, 03:04 AM
I'm not aware of any supercharger made for the 420A that actually works.
Front mount CAI's are crap and make you look like you wish you had a turbo.
Front mount CAI's are crap and make you look like you wish you had a turbo.
helliviknow
02-14-2005, 04:24 AM
drdisque.. there is a supercharger for the 420a on the market. the kit is made with a eaton. its like 3500 bucks though i think lol. ill look up the link and post it here.
saturnspeed_12
02-14-2005, 12:05 PM
well the 420a is pretty good powerplant. most anybody says its junk, but you got to know what your doing. bolt ons give you some boost in power, but if you want more power sticking N/A look into a port and polish job, mild street cams, extrude hone intake(or new high flow), larger fuel injectors(or a few extra ones), aluminum flywheel, and the big one new pistons, rings, and rods(maybe even crank but your crank is good) and up the compression. but youve got most of the bolt ons that most people do.
TreeFrog
02-14-2005, 04:22 PM
Front Mount CAI? go with an AEM v2 CAI,
sure you are missing a few things:
Plugs & wires
exhuast manifold or port yours
lightwieght flywheel
hyper ground kit
underdrive pully
is it worth it? well with out boost a GS is never going to be that fast with out a lot of Nitrous. You can spend a lot of money and not be happy with the results. If you want a faster car the GS isn't an ideal platform to start on. so i'd say no its not worth it. IMHO
sure you are missing a few things:
Plugs & wires
exhuast manifold or port yours
lightwieght flywheel
hyper ground kit
underdrive pully
is it worth it? well with out boost a GS is never going to be that fast with out a lot of Nitrous. You can spend a lot of money and not be happy with the results. If you want a faster car the GS isn't an ideal platform to start on. so i'd say no its not worth it. IMHO
shadow eclipse
02-15-2005, 12:04 AM
I agree, used to have an rs sold it and bought a gsx. Smartest thing I have ever done. Not worth it man, unless you like to get smoked all the time, lol. My 2 cents, peace
AngelOfNight 9
02-15-2005, 04:59 AM
I'm not aware of any supercharger made for the 420A that actually works.
I'm actually a fan of SC's over Turbochargers but anyway. I'm yet to find a SC kit for either a first or second GEN Eclipse/Talon and I've searched high & low.
~Patiently awaits helliviknow's link~
I'm actually a fan of SC's over Turbochargers but anyway. I'm yet to find a SC kit for either a first or second GEN Eclipse/Talon and I've searched high & low.
~Patiently awaits helliviknow's link~
spyderturbo007
02-15-2005, 12:24 PM
~Patiently awaits helliviknow's link~
Google search = www.boosthead.com
Google search = www.boosthead.com
shadow eclipse
02-15-2005, 04:32 PM
Dude they got superchargers for 2nd gen non turbo on ebay. They even sell installation kits with them. They are pretty pricey though, the solution, buy a dsm. lol
Shpyder
02-15-2005, 07:23 PM
Holy smokes. I didnt know they had an sc kit for the 420a. anyone got any numbers on that thing?
Shpyder
02-15-2005, 07:24 PM
wait a sec....BATTERY powered sc? I've never heard of that before...I was just browing the site and it says it runs off batteries....?
shadow eclipse
02-15-2005, 08:12 PM
I dont know if thats what angel of night was talkin about but, Im talkin about a real engine driven supercharger. Not some plastic pos you can buy for less than a 100 bucks. I think this thing has been discussed before anyway. The one Im talkin about costs around a grand or so for the sc and maybe 3 or 4 hundred for the kit.
gsxeclipse97
02-16-2005, 12:27 AM
Also you could do a transmission swap with a neon rt I new a guy that did that and he had most of the stuff everyone has listed so far and he could beat a stock gst but if it had anything done to it. the 420a doesn't really compare to the 4g63 unless you get a turbo for it..
imtheoneandonlyD
02-16-2005, 02:49 AM
i had an rs. not worth the time modding. I regret doing anything to mine. Should have brought a turbo.
spyderturbo007
02-16-2005, 08:30 AM
I dont know if thats what angel of night was talkin about but, Im talkin about a real engine driven supercharger. Not some plastic pos you can buy for less than a 100 bucks.
I'll make it really easy for you....Go to the page I posted www.boosthead.com. Next choose the car / engine in the drop down list near the top. Mitsubishi -> Eclipse -> 420A Then choose "Eaton SC Kits"
There you will find an "authentic" belt driven supercharger.
Your stock 420A engine produces approx. 150 HP. Bolt on one of our track-tested, Dyno-proven Eaton supercharger kits, and you will gain 65 HP @ 5.5 psi of boost. If you add an upgraded exhaust and headers, you will see another 15-25 HP increase. That's 80+ flywheel HP of instant boost, an absolute must for auto trans cars. Of course, the Eaton works great on 5-speeds, too. And if you're really serious about performance, you can make up to 400 HP with a built engine and ported blower.
But the instant boost and huge gains aren't the only factors that make our Eaton superchargers a superior product. Our kits are incredibly reliable, averaging 150,000 miles between overhauls. They require less maintenance. And the installation is simple. Our Eaton kit includes all the essential parts for a complete installation. No engine mods are necessary, and a safe 6 psi pulley is standard. Will not clear some aftermarket strut tower braces (contact us to determine compatability).
Our Eaton superchargers are fully race-ported, resulting in additional free hp and lower discharge temperatures. The Eaton is backed by a 1-year unlimited mileage warranty, and a life expectancy for the Eaton is 150,000 miles. The kit comes with a fully race-ported Eaton 62 CID supercharger, custom CNC 6016-T6 billett aluminum intake manifold adapters, drive pulley set, crank pulley, idler and tensioner brackets, throttle body adapter (we suggest upgrading to the GM V6 supercharged throttle body included in our full kit), FMU fuel controller, and boost gauge. Allow for 8-10 hrs installation time.
I'll make it really easy for you....Go to the page I posted www.boosthead.com. Next choose the car / engine in the drop down list near the top. Mitsubishi -> Eclipse -> 420A Then choose "Eaton SC Kits"
There you will find an "authentic" belt driven supercharger.
Your stock 420A engine produces approx. 150 HP. Bolt on one of our track-tested, Dyno-proven Eaton supercharger kits, and you will gain 65 HP @ 5.5 psi of boost. If you add an upgraded exhaust and headers, you will see another 15-25 HP increase. That's 80+ flywheel HP of instant boost, an absolute must for auto trans cars. Of course, the Eaton works great on 5-speeds, too. And if you're really serious about performance, you can make up to 400 HP with a built engine and ported blower.
But the instant boost and huge gains aren't the only factors that make our Eaton superchargers a superior product. Our kits are incredibly reliable, averaging 150,000 miles between overhauls. They require less maintenance. And the installation is simple. Our Eaton kit includes all the essential parts for a complete installation. No engine mods are necessary, and a safe 6 psi pulley is standard. Will not clear some aftermarket strut tower braces (contact us to determine compatability).
Our Eaton superchargers are fully race-ported, resulting in additional free hp and lower discharge temperatures. The Eaton is backed by a 1-year unlimited mileage warranty, and a life expectancy for the Eaton is 150,000 miles. The kit comes with a fully race-ported Eaton 62 CID supercharger, custom CNC 6016-T6 billett aluminum intake manifold adapters, drive pulley set, crank pulley, idler and tensioner brackets, throttle body adapter (we suggest upgrading to the GM V6 supercharged throttle body included in our full kit), FMU fuel controller, and boost gauge. Allow for 8-10 hrs installation time.
shadow eclipse
02-16-2005, 12:32 PM
Dude I have a gsx I sold my rs. I dont have it any more. I was referring to sphyder's question about electric superchargers which as we both know are not worth it. You have a supercharger for 420a, thats great tell that to sphyder the guy who was askin about um. To tell you the truth I really dont care. Peace
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