Integra or Eclipse?

Well I am about to graduate and start racing on my new budget, I have raced before, but since I has to work for all my stuff and no money from mommy and daddy like some of the spoiled brats. Any way I currently have a high mileage Integra LS, and I was wondering your input if I should get a 95-99 Eclipse GS-T (or if I can find one a GSX) or do you think I should stick with what I have? If I rebuilt the Teg it would have a Crower stroker kit with JE pistons, Comp Cams, and the upgraded GSR heads from Dart MotorSports(I will do more latter, but I need money for Exterior as well). If I had the Eclipse I would install a GReddy turbo upgrade and boost controller and lots of other goodies that I saw on the dyno that increased horsepower dramadically. Any input on this would be great, also what do guys think about engine swaps, I was thinking a B16A2.

you shoud do an ls/vtec. it almost sounded like you were going to do this in your thread but then you mentioned the b16. b16's are weak, you need at least 1.8 liters. the extra torque makes a huge difference. i don't like mitsubishi. A coupe friends have them and they make good power, and they're fast, but they break a the time. they are constanty working on them. they are also cheaply made and the body and interior fals apart. i was at the track once and this guy with a gsx was in ine to race and his little side marker light on his front fender popped off. just little things like that happen all the time. they're fast though. I would stick with the integra.

Oh my god the sidemarker fell off, everybody panic!!! :lol: j/p probably something he forgot while putting his front mount intercooler :D

gst/gsx respond very quickly to mods, and the best "swap" you can do is already in there ( unless you wanna go with an old school 6bolt from an older eclipse, thats another story) Theres people runnin 12's with about 2,000-2,500 in mods with gsx's. But thats my 2cent

Oh i'm sorry do you want me to go on about how they fall apart. This was just an example of how cheaply they are put together. Yes they respong very well to mods. great for a race car, not my cup of tea for a daily driver. don't want a car where the seat breaks and falls back, the dash board rattles, the window mechanism doesn't work, lenses fall out randomly all over the car, headlights get a jacked up in the sun beacause they are cheap plastic. keep in mind this is just one of the four i know of. i believe it's a 1997 gst. The others have more problems, but they are older and faster. They are very cheap cars. all mitsubishis have little annoying problems that poeple don't like including engine problems. Maybe that's why mitsubishi electronics had to bail them out again. Yes Mitsubishi has been going out of business more than twice and mitsubishi electronics has bailed them out every time. Mitubishis are cheapass cars. Fast though, can't argue that.

oh, forgot to mention, he is the original owner, loves the car, runs low 13's, and is meticulous about maintanence on his car.

ok i wont argue with little problems like that, but your making it seem way more worst than it really is. problems like those are not common. Ill admit i get little noises that i have to track down and fix, but thats it for me. No seat falling back or nothing. Also think about how fast you can make gst/gsx with less money, and for exterior trust me they look nice as is ( so little money going there)
http://img219.exs.cx/img219/8153/blackspyder.jpg
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Yeah they deffinetly look nice stock. The little problems would just get annoying to me, and something I wouldn't want to deal with in my daily driver. They are easily made fast, I know that. I thought about buying one for the track but decided to get into autocross with my Civic and drifting with my 240SX. I just expect a problem free car for my daily driver. I'm very picky.

I've had one problem with my eclipse. And that was one morning after we had some freezing rain the night before. My door handle was frozen and it broke off in my hand.Easy replacement though. I havent had any problems with seats breaking or anything falling off my car. My car runs great and looks great.

Technically I have fixed more "little" things on my accord then my eclipse. But of course my accord will out last the eclipse. But for a fast daily driver to rip around and look good doing it, I would pick the eclipse all the way.

I would say if you really want to get an Eclipse, get the GSX. At least you will have AWD and a car that is really cheap and easy to get into the 12's. That would be the only one I would go for. I'm still contemplating getting one. If a good deal comes around I might consider it. As for the Integra, you must not have a B18c1 or GSR motor if you are considering a b16. An easy upgrade that is a pretty fast setup would be the LS/Vtec. You should look into it, but there is always turboing, which is even easier. Honda's (Acura's) are pretty fast turbo cars if you can hook up.

I think you guys have over looked the 1st question that needs to be asked.
What is your budget?
What kind of racing are you getting into?

Those two questions should be the first thing to determine before deciding on something.

If you want to drag race I would say get your motor rebuilt stock or even a slight bit lower compression and turbo the LS motor.

A buddy of mine put a turbo on his 94 LS with 150k 7psi untuned it ran 13.6 @ 106mph with 2.0 60' on street tires.

Not too bad for about 2 grand on an internally stock untuned 94 integra LS.

Since he got Tboned and bought a gsr shell which a built LS will go into...im sure he will break 12's easily with that.

Well as far as the budget Ill be making enough to do pretty much what I want to, Ill just have to take my time with it. Will not have many bills for awile. For the second question I will be doing mostly drag, but it does need to be a daily. Unless I build the Integra, which I will take out mostly to race, but still needs to look legal if you get my drift.

I have enjoyed your input, and as far as the B16A2 not having enough tourqe I figured I could go old school and bore and stroke it.

The small stuff on the Eclipse does not bother me much, I love to work on cars and plan to do most all of my own stuff and have so far. What does concern me was the fact of the motor breaking down alot, and I have heard of this from many tuners. And I know the Honda motors are well built, but it is hard to resist the power and style of the Eclipse.

If you guys have another car in mind for under $6,000 (so I can put more money in them) give your input on them, I have a long list to consider, I love cars so much (the Eclipse and my Teg) was just on the top of the list to start with. I plan to get a Supra when I get more money and racing experience.

Well if you want to drag race and you don't mind little problems, then the GSX is calling your name. AWD and easily made powerful = a good drag car, especially if it's not your daily driver. This shouldn't even be a question anymore.

Drag racing? Get the GSX, no contest.. it stomps on the teg. AWD, stock turbo, a block that can handle up to about 500 whp on stock internals, etc etc. Speaking of the block, I don't know why you heard it breaks down a lot. It's probably Mitsubishi's best engine, and it's used in the Evo as well. The only bad problem is crankwalk, which is not as common as people make it out to be.

Thanks for all your input, I love Honda, but I think I am going to get with the Mitsu this time. I have always loved them even before I got into cars and racing. Plus I got alot of ideas on how to make the 4G63 rule the streets.

Plus I got alot of ideas on how to make the 4G63 rule the streets.


....when its not broken that is.

2G eclipses dont have the best build quality in the world. But shit, the marginal gain in driving joy you would experience in cruising in a "nice build quality" honda compared to a "bad quality blah blah" DSM isnt much. My Spyder creaks and everything. But it turns more heads than miss anderson doing yoga and is mroe fun to drive than a fat chick. hehe.

95-99 eclipses are the sexiest cars ever i would choose it over a teg any day

95-99 eclipses are the sexiest cars ever i would choose it over a teg any day
<-----ex honda owner :iagree:

Sexiest ever?
I don't know about that. I don't think that any of the Honda, Acura or Mitsubishi lineup could fall into that category. :disappoin

I would be looking at putting a Ferrari 550, Porsche GT2 or even the McLaren F1 into that category. Something other than an eclipse or integra.

NSX could possibly qualify, maybe an s2000 or a 3000gt...they would all have to be modified in some way but...they can look pretty sexy.

I'm not much of a ferrari, porsche, or Mclaren kinda guy

Look cars like that are nice and fast and all, but they are not a true racers car. I have no respect for them. Tuner cars are where it is at.

Look cars like that are nice and fast and all, but they are not a true racers car. I have no respect for them. Tuner cars are where it is at.
so you're saying that an F1 is not a true racing car???:sly:

I'll take a Ferrari 360 over an honda any day for the track. Not only will it most likely beat the Honda, I'll look better doing it. No matter what anyone here says, if they are a real car enthusiast, they would rather have a stock Ferrari over a modded Integra or Civic. It's plain common sense. It may not be the fastest thing in the world, but it's fast enough to have fun, look good, gain status points, get chicks, and listen to that small V8 rev to 8,500rpms. Exotic cars are for 2 people, rich assholes, and rich, real car enthusiasts.

Look cars like that are nice and fast and all, but they are not a true racers car. I have no respect for them. Tuner cars are where it is at.

/yourself

the 360 is pretty sweet. they look great and are pretty fast but in all honesty i would take a Corvette Z06 over the 360. and with a little tuning those things can be the meanest things on the street (can anyone say lingenfelter?) im not putting the 360 down its a great car but the Z stock for stock laps the nur faster then the 360 but i think the biggest reason is cuz im totaly nutts for the vettes...

the 360 is pretty sweet. they look great and are pretty fast but in all honesty i would take a Corvette Z06 over the 360. and with a little tuning those things can be the meanest things on the street (can anyone say lingenfelter?) im not putting the 360 down its a great car but the Z stock for stock laps the nur faster then the 360 but i think the biggest reason is cuz im totaly nutts for the vettes...

Why buy a Z06 if you are going to send it to lingenfelter? Why not just buy base model vette and send that and get the twin turbo setup? That would be cheaper and you would end up with about the same results. The Z06 was built and designed for N/A performance, whne you change to FI you change so many parts on a wild N/A motor that you are basically starting from scratch again.

everyones got there own opinion. to the guy woh started this post, i say think about these things, a gs-t is also fwd, but the gsx is gunna be a lil more expensive. with honda/acura there are so many ways you could go to making power, swapping wise. With the gs-t or gsx its all straight forward. With the teg, you can choose a motor to start off with. But all in all, if your looking for a project car or sumthin then go with the teg, theres alot of options. But if your just looking for sumthin without much work to get al;ot of power then go with the gs-t/gsx. A stock turbo would be fun though.

Trust me I'm a huge Corvette fan too. Check out the new Road & Track. They put the new Corvette against a Porsche 911 and a new Viper, along with a bunch of other cars, and the Corvette had the best time around the track. That's right, the Corvette is a true daily driving race car.

I disagree. Ferraris and Lambos, etc, are true supercars, granted. But they are no joy for a tuner. A tuner wants to change OEM shit constantly, even if its just for the fuck of it. Ofcourse, I wouldnt mind owning a Viper or a Ferrari at all, who the hell in their right minds would, but tuner people like TUNING cars. That is why you see some Supras and NSX's touching the $100K ceiling and sometimes beyond once they go crazy with modding shit. You could go them and say, "BLah, you waster your money tuning that, but you couldve bought a Viper, or a used Ferrari" etc, etc, but that would defeat the purpose of the tuner hobby. Catch ma drift?

Most of the guys who mod cars to the point of over $100 grand already have a Ferrari or two. I also understand that people like to mod cars and mods are limited on supercars, but you would never see anyone pick a modded, affordable, tuner car, over a supercar. Meaning, if you had a choice between a 10 second Civic hatch and a Ferrari 575, what would you take. Really, what would anyone take. And anyone who says the Civic is full of shit, or just stupid.

Thats just one person's opinion, and to call ppl who would indeed pick a civic over the Ferrari (though not myself) full of shit, would be biased bigotry. Each car has its own charm to each person. Give me $100K and I would consider getting a 1999 3000GT VR-4 and modding the life out of that instead of a slightly used Ferrari. Both cars hold their own.

Tuners who mod their cars to the limit dont already own Ferraris, etc, as you listed above. The tuner magazines of Japan are least interested in what they often deem as "Italian crap". They center their work around twin turbo legends such as the Supras, Skylines, RX7s, some NSXs, etc. I have yet to see a single Ferrari in their aside from a review. Go to a Ferrari mag and you wont see these cars in them either. Pick up a Ford tuner mag, they would seem least interested in the rich boy's Ferrari.

I worked for Pebble Beach, Monetery CA for 1 month udring Ford's anniversary. My job was to make sure that the public didnt get to near some guys 6 Ferraris. He was a true enthusiast, I think he has a business called "Swap Shop". I stood next to his cars (2 Enzos, 1 F-50, 2 F-40, and a Marelleno Spyder) for hours. Nice cars, but with the money, I personally wouldnt get a Ferrari, I'd go for a Porche 911, or a Tommy Kiara. Not to be different just for the sake of being different. Cars are ONLY about personal appeal. A 10 second civic has the obvious charm of being the down-to-earth, peasant of a car that challenges the legendary might of the Ferrari giants on the track. Not that I would ever chose one over a Ferrari, but some people would, and thats fine (though I doubt you can spend that much on a civic anyways....the Alpine Civic Si was moddified with one-quarter of a million dollars, so I guess anything is possible).

In Japan there is no Ferrari dealer. They only get cars that are Japanese. And shops are very different. They want to show off their tuning ability, not there money. Yes there are stupid people who swear on a car and wouldn't get a Ferrari evr even if they had the money. Those are the guys who think the 5.slow Mustang is the greatest thing to ever come upon the Earth. What I am saying is that anybody with a single brain cell, would take a supercar over a modded commuter any day. If you trully love cars. And don't just limit it to Ferraris, how about Bugatti, Porsche, Corvette, Panoz, Maserati. They are all cars for the true enthusiast. They are works of art. And yes I would put a Skyline and NSX into the same catergory as these other supercars. Give me a choice between a fully modded Supra, and a Saleen S7, and I will be walking away with the Saleen.

I was in Japan this summer and saw numerous ferraris.

A few 360's, a 550 maranello, as well as an F40.

They are imported. A guy from Japan bought a 1970 Chevy El Camino off my dad about 8 years ago. They don't have very strict importing laws I guess.

First thanks for backing me up Shpyder,(if they dont get it oh well).
Second I love the super cars, I was not doging them by no means. It is
just I personally would take a Supra over an Enzo. Thats just me everyone has their own opinion. But for me I'm with Shpyder some people just like to tune. I am one of those people. Most of the time I just mis judge cars by the people that drive them, I think of Enzo and then think of some rich ass jerk that just bought the car because it was expensive and he thought he would look cool in it and no respect for the car itself. If I was to get a expensive sports car it would be the 911 Turbo, just because it is the closest thing they have to a ricer. Oh who am I kidding fuck 360s and Enzos, if you did not spend hours tuning it getting bloody knuckles and many head aches to create your own creation then I dont give a rats ass about it.

....when its not broken that is.


? south florida dsm club.. 15+ cars in just our lil bunch and only one guy ever has probs... cause he tries to do his own work and isnt that good at it + he has a cursed car :)

2g eclipse gsx or a talon tsi awd no question. stock the car is going to go faster than most honda's modded. with 2k in mods your looking at 12's and anything that isnt a v8 is not worth your time.

you can make a honda go fast. but if there are 100 "modded" honda's on the road there are 1-2 that MIGHT pass me... and when he does I will congradulate him.. then ask how much it cost to do that.

When you're comparing modded cars and super cars, you have to think of one thing. The 10 second civic might beat the Enzo on a strait drag (Enzo runs an 11.1 in the 1/4 mile) but let's take it around a corner. The Enzo pushes 2.1 g's around a 656 radius circle...no honda is going to do that. So it all depends what you're looking for. If you don't like them, that's fine, but you can't deny that Ferrari's are just about the best performing cars there are, without a doubt. There's a reason they win so many F1 races. And the F1 technology go straight to their cars.

sooo back to integra vs. eclipse...?
I would take an integra over an eclipse because imho eclipse kinda look like a bar of soap lol.

man i tell you thats a pretty hard decision. you know i love hondas but to make real power thats reliable you need something thats rear drive or all wheel drive. hondas are great for us weekend warriers but you should open your horizons. if you are wanting to get serious start with a serious car. i would start with maybe a supra or a mitsu 3000gt, or even a nissan 300z old style not new. those are the cars that are making serious power and low marks at the track. especially if youre on a tight budget.

? south florida dsm club.. 15+ cars in just our lil bunch and only one guy ever has probs... cause he tries to do his own work and isnt that good at it + he has a cursed car :)

2g eclipse gsx or a talon tsi awd no question. stock the car is going to go faster than most honda's modded. with 2k in mods your looking at 12's and anything that isnt a v8 is not worth your time.

you can make a honda go fast. but if there are 100 "modded" honda's on the road there are 1-2 that MIGHT pass me... and when he does I will congradulate him.. then ask how much it cost to do that.

2k + the what 5-10 you spend on the car itself, Im lookin to go 12's for less than 4 grand including the car and thats throwing the price way up there, it'll probaby get done for less than 3,200.

2k + the what 5-10 you spend on the car itself, Im lookin to go 12's for less than 4 grand including the car and thats throwing the price way up there, it'll probaby get done for less than 3,200.

you can find a 2g gsx for under 5k. if you dont care about looks you can get a 1g gst or gsx for 1k+. personally i would take what money i had and find the best/cheapest 2g gsx i could find and buy it. I would mod it later on cause just stock a gsx is gonna be faster than a majority of your modded honda's.

if your stuck on 12's for less than 4 grand your best bet is a 1g gsx for cheap and mod it good on a tight budget and you will hit 12's. But I think this is a little short sighted.

cars.com 90-95 2 eagle talon tsi awd's for under 2k

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autotrader.com 90-95 eclipse gsx's or talon tsi awd's 4 of em

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I think you misunderstood me, lol im gonna hit 12's for less than 4 grand including the price of my car which was 2 grand.

In my honda...

to each his own. Plus ide just rather have something more reliable and also if something breaks I can get replacements for cheap...how much do spare 4g63's go for?

I think you misunderstood me, lol im gonna hit 12's for less than 4 grand including the price of my car which was 2 grand.

In my honda...

to each his own. Plus ide just rather have something more reliable and also if something breaks I can get replacements for cheap...how much do spare 4g63's go for?

because im ignorant on honda's list how you are going to hit 12's with whatever car you bought +2k.. and show me a car that has already done it. I want to become educated on how a 17 or 18 second car can shave 5-6 secs with 2k.

and i still dont get your unreliability statement on the 4g63. As i mentioned earlier I only know one guy who has probs and he probably causes them.

because im ignorant on honda's list how you are going to hit 12's with whatever car you bought +2k.. and show me a car that has already done it. I want to become educated on how a 17 or 18 second car can shave 5-6 secs with 2k.

and i still dont get your unreliability statement on the 4g63. As i mentioned earlier I only know one guy who has probs and he probably causes them.

$2k for the car, $1k for a b16 swap that will put a Rex into the low 14's (actually I was hitting high 13's with my swap, but I had several bolt-ons). From there I don't know how you get into the 12's with $1k, unless you do a homemade turbo-kit, which is possible if you know what you're doing (I don't know how to build a turbo).

It's pretty damn hard to hit 12's without forced induction for both Honda and Mitsu. But IMO there are more N/A Honda's hitting 12's than N/A Mitsu's.

$2k for the car, $1k for a b16 swap that will put a Rex into the low 14's (actually I was hitting high 13's with my swap, but I had several bolt-ons). From there I don't know how you get into the 12's with $1k, unless you do a homemade turbo-kit, which is possible if you know what you're doing (I don't know how to build a turbo).

It's pretty damn hard to hit 12's without forced induction for both Honda and Mitsu. But IMO there are more N/A Honda's hitting 12's than N/A Mitsu's.

mitsu comes turboed.

mitsu comes turboed.

Not all of them, only GS-T's and GSX's...and the turbo on those weren't free, you had to pay extra (over the base GS) to get one.

Not all of them, only GS-T's and GSX's...and the turbo on those weren't free, you had to pay extra (over the base GS) to get one.

thats common knowledge. cars we are referring to are said gst and gsx. dsm's. there would be no point in buying a gs or rs eclipse to make it go fast.

as my posts above show you can find a gsx for pretty damn cheap if you are looking for CHEAP.

The cheapest 2nd gen GSX I could find is $4k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=168077196&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=1500&sortorder=descending&sortfield=YEAR+descending%2CSORT_INDICATOR+ascendi ng&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=358&leadExists=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_34_%7CD-_310_%7CN-N%7CR-50%7CI-1%2C3%7CP-YEAR+descending%2CSORT_INDICATOR+ascending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-90026&aff=recycler

Prolly a mid-high 14 second car...although I will say that the 2nd gen Eclipse is a lot sexier looking than a hatch!

how much do spare 4g63's go for?
http://www.totaljdm.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/Engines.displayenginespecs/item_num/JDMMITSU4G63N/4G63_jdm.htm

not a bad price at all for a 6 bolt 4g63 that is nearly bulletproof, and they aren't very hard to swap into 2g eclipses from what I've read.

The cheapest 2nd gen GSX I could find is $4k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=168077196&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=1500&sortorder=descending&sortfield=YEAR+descending%2CSORT_INDICATOR+ascendi ng&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=358&leadExists=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_34_%7CD-_310_%7CN-N%7CR-50%7CI-1%2C3%7CP-YEAR+descending%2CSORT_INDICATOR+ascending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-90026&aff=recycler

Prolly a mid-high 14 second car...although I will say that the 2nd gen Eclipse is a lot sexier looking than a hatch!

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cars.com 90-95 2 eagle talon tsi awd's for under 2k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/fs_se...al&aff=national

autotrader.com 90-95 eclipse gsx's or talon tsi awd's 4 of em

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searc...olor=&x=59&y=10

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hondas are known for being reliable, so it would be more reliable than a mitsubishi. plus stock most of the hondas/acuras people start with are like 14-16sec stock. plus wit 2g you can buy an ls motor, and the piece together a homemade turbo then boost to like 10psi w/out adding parts.

This thread is great. We got guys saying Ferraris, Porsches, and Lamborghinis aren't sports cars. And another guy saying a real car enthusiast would choose those cars for status points and to get chicks. I love it. Hell, get either one. You'll probably just rice it out anyway.

^^^hahaha, amen man.

Hello everyone, I'm new to your forum. I didn't take the time to read the whole post since I was in a hurry so if i repeat any above statements, I apologize.

I own a 1998 MKIV (this is my garage beauty), 1997 GSR, 1999 GSX. And to answer your question the integra is by far a better vehicle. Don't let the turbo charged DSM fool you. Its quick out of the box, but riddled with problems. Mine is for sale BTW. Just can't take it anymore, my 12.2 MKIV is more relaible then my stock GSX.

First a little history, the DSM (Chrysler product) eclipse is basically a neon in a different shell. (I can feel the flames brewing) Yes, you have a DOHC neon (eclipse) with a turbo (SRT-4 comes to mind) but don't think your getting a mitsu, because ur not. The eclipse is assembled right here in IL, strange for a Jap made Mitsu... Mitsu is a good production company. Vehicles like the VR-4 and EVO are good examples of well balanced engineering. The eclipse is not. The GSX is a slower SRT-4 and a product of old Chrysler technology. If your going to buy a GSX just come to grips with yourself and realize its a dodge, so you are better of going SRT-4.

BTW, I hate SRT-4's, they're nice but in the end its still a neon.

The integra GSR or Type R are wonderful cars. An even comparison would more likely be made between the Eclipse GS and the Integra GSR because Integra is all motor. Imagine if a factory Turbo Type-R/GSR/LS/RS was ever produced. What vehicle would you choose then?

Eclipse owners, don't give Mitsu a bad rep by calling your car a Mitsu, its a DSM. Diamond Star Motor (Chrysler). Next time ur under your hood look at the Chrysler logo right on the motor...
Buy a VR-4 or EVO if you want to experience the true engineering behind Mitsu.

Hope I didn't start a flame war.

Last I checked.. 2g GST and GSX certainly say Mitsubishi on the valve cover.

You are correct in saying that a 2g RS or GS is a neon in a different body. But, no one here is talking about an RS or GS.

Last I checked.. 2g GST and GSX certainly say Mitsubishi on the valve cover.

You are correct in saying that a 2g RS or GS is a neon in a different body. But, no one here is talking about an RS or GS.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact its a DSM. Chrysler Dodge product. Therefore at best a GSX or GST would be on comparison with a SRT-4. I'm just stating people need to realize the difference between DSM and Mitsu. Also the comparison between a GST/GSX and GSR are uneven. motor vs forced induction

I'm gonna have to say the Eclipse engine is pretty much mitsubishi. Considering it's the same one as in the Evo, which as you said it one of Mitsu's best cars.

Hate to disagree. but i spent my first tuner years working on GST and GSX rebuilding and building their engines and I can tell u there not even close. Thats why the EVO engine swap is so popular. why would u swap the same engine?

BTW Block has Chrystler model codes on it.