b16 vs b18

hey guys i was thinking bout how much a tranny makes a difference in a car. i was wondering if anyone had lets has a b18 with the ls tranny and swapped a sir tranny without any other mods. to see what difference just the tranny would do. i guess the reason why the sir is faster than the b18, would be cause of the tranny, right. if a b18 had the same tranny as a b16 would they be equaly fast. just something that made me think a bit..

Yes the tranny would make a difference but the siR has 160HP and 111TQ compared to 130Hp And 121TQ. I've beaten a CRX with B18A and a siR Tranny, I mean he took me off the line but I caught up and passed him by like 1 1/2 cars. And I have a JDM B16A1 in a 91' CRX

yes a b16 trans will make yoru b18a faster but your not going to beat a b16 just because of a tranny change. and with the shorter gearing and the early redline of the ls, your going to top out that tranny earlier. the b16 tranny is meant for high revving motors

yes a b16 trans will make yoru b18a faster but your not going to beat a b16 just because of a tranny change. and with the shorter gearing and the early redline of the ls, your going to top out that tranny earlier. the b16 tranny is meant for high revving motors
ya thats tru about the reving part. but they only have about 20 hp more and like 10 less lbs or torque. so i figured it could have been more or less equal. good to know though. so i guess i am better off to stick with the ls tranny with turbo or something. thanks guys

No, you're better off to go with the SiR tranny.. Even with a turbo.

Shorter gears = faster

B18s with an SiR tranny are quick, with an LS tranny they aren't that spectacular.

its better to get a gsr or type r tranny than a b16. the b16 tranny isnt built as strong as the ls gsr or type r trannys. it may have short gears but it cant handle power as much as the b18 trannys. I would get a type r tranny if you can.

its better to get a gsr or type r tranny than a b16. the b16 tranny isnt built as strong as the ls gsr or type r trannys. it may have short gears but it cant handle power as much as the b18 trannys. I would get a type r tranny if you can.

wtf are you talking about ? i think you should be prevented from talking from now on.

if you are going like 300whp or less with an ls. the b16 tranny will do fine. just dont try and use it to run 10s with an ls motor.

its better to get a gsr or type r tranny than a b16. the b16 tranny isnt built as strong as the ls gsr or type r trannys. it may have short gears but it cant handle power as much as the b18 trannys.

I'd really like to see some foundation for whatever the hell you're talking about!?
Is the SiR tranny made out of a different metal than the B18 trannys or something?!

Sometimes I wonder about you......

I'd really like to see some foundation for whatever the hell you're talking about!?
Is the SiR tranny made out of a different metal than the B18 trannys or something?!

Sometimes I wonder about you......
acctually they are probably built more tough in as for the internals. but i am not sure.
ya i really like the ls tranny for the street and highway, so i am not sure what to do. casue i drive alot with my car.and the ls tranny is easy to come accross. i guess the best way is to acctually try one out.i figured to get the best of both worlds would be to build the engine more and to stick with the ls tranny for drivability.:banghead:

the only trans that is stronger is the type r because of hte lsd. hondas are known to break stock diffs, but an lsd makes it good

No doubt. Other than the gearing ratios and the FD, I'm sure there's no REAL difference between a B18 and B16 tranny, other than a couple of them comming with LSD as mentioned. Some B16 trannys were also available with the LSD.

just go lsd its the best i got jdm b16a with lsd and it rocks..

2 crxs
Both are the same year and have the same mods.
Both driver's have the same driving abilities.
In Fact they are the exact same car.
One has a B16a
The other has a B18b (not a B18a)
They are both running the Y1 B16 tranny.

The vehicle with the B18b takes off the line and jumps out by 1.5 cars with the 18 extra ft/lbs of torque. The B16a falls behind and is unable to catch up. Why? Because the B18b is running the B16 tranny which is the only advantage the B16 has over the B18b.
People will say that "yah but the b16 has vtec yo".
The b16 seems much faster than the b18b because the b16 gearing compliments the vtec.
Same would be true as a b16a with an LS tranny? Anyone every see this combo? It's super-slow....
The b18b equipped crx with the ls tranny would beat it in this case as well.

The only reason that any 92+ bseries tranny is "better" is because it has a slightly larger input shaft and can handle slightly more power...nothing to brag about. So yes, in that sense, it is a little stronger than the 89-91 b16 trannies from japland.

2 crxs
Both are the same year and have the same mods.
Both driver's have the same driving abilities.
In Fact they are the exact same car.
One has a B16a
The other has a B18b (not a B18a)
They are both running the Y1 B16 tranny.

The vehicle with the B18b takes off the line and jumps out by 1.5 cars with the 18 extra ft/lbs of torque. The B16a falls behind and is unable to catch up. Why? Because the B18b is running the B16 tranny which is the only advantage the B16 has over the B18b.
People will say that "yah but the b16 has vtec yo".
The b16 seems much faster than the b18b because the b16 gearing compliments the vtec.
Same would be true as a b16a with an LS tranny? Anyone every see this combo? It's super-slow....
The b18b equipped crx with the ls tranny would beat it in this case as well.

you say this, what is your evidence to back this up ? oh and off the line, the ls isnt gonna be 1.5 cars ahead

that point is mute because no one ever breaks input shafts, the casing will break before you break an input shaft

you say this, what is your evidence to back this up ? oh and off the line, the ls isnt gonna be 1.5 cars ahead

Ya, its kinda a funny assumption.

My version of the story includes the B16 walking past the B18 at 80mph due to its extra 20hp. :rolleyes:

Assuming things is stupid. This whole thread is full of dumb-dumbs I think.

my version is almost the same with the b16 pulling at like 60mph not 80mph

I geuss all the b16 guys around here are running LS trannys....they are no competition...maybe I just have a stronger running motor than most?

I geuss all the b16 guys around here are running LS trannys....they are no competition...maybe I just have a stronger running motor than most?

Maybe. Maybe they suck at driving, maybe you have a better clutch, or less weight, or maybe you're just really good at driving. A 2.1 60' in a small Honda with stock tires is great, you have to know that.. I don't know hardly anyone who can hit 2.1s on street tires with as much power as you have, I just haven't seen it. Maybe if I could manage a 2.1 60 I'd be running the exact same time as you. We could speculate a million things. You have to admit that statistically they're very similar motors. The torque > HP argument is stupid, and I'm sure that you know why. There's just so many factors its ridculous to try and understand the reasoning behind it. You've beat B16 hatches, I've beat LS hatches. And so on and so on. They're very close.

Saying the B18 would jump 1.5 cars off the line because of 18 more lbs-ft. is stupid too, you have know that. In a hypotheical race that you hit a 2.2 60' and so did I (similar mods, but not the same) we'd be dead even pretty much just winning/losing by as much as a moulding or a JDM parking antenna. :p

So, I pointed out the stupidity and said if we're gonig to assume things it could go either way, especially when there's no foundation to the statment being made.

BUT this thread isn't even about this wich is why I didn't really get into it, you and I especially know that its a dead topic that will NEVER be concluded and we just agree to disagree.

But as far as this thread is concerned, the B16 tranny on an LS makes a world of a difference.

well i have a ls tranny and a gsr tranny, if i was rich i would jsut run both and see how much faster it makes me. but at last im broke

It's all good, its just preference I geuss...I mean They dont give me much competition I get better races from gsr powered cars I geuss I just have a freak motor.

I just like the feeling of instant power and not having to wait for vtec to kick in to go anywhere. All in preference. Buy what you like/want fellas.

It's all good, its just preference I geuss...I mean They dont give me much competition I get better races from gsr powered cars I geuss I just have a freak motor.

I just like the feeling of instant power and not having to wait for vtec to kick in to go anywhere. All in preference. Buy what you like/want fellas.

Wow, I feel the same way. Whenever I race B16 rexes/hatches...they always seem to come up short on me....i have alot more fun racing GSR equipped crxs against my b20/y1 crx...it usually comes down to other factors besides the motor/tranny like driver, tires, weight, etc.

About what i posted earlier...it's all opinion. Anything stated on this board is opinion. You have the right to disagree...that's life. But, just as Siz stated, this topic will never end.
It seems that everyone with a B16 has beat B18 powered cars and everyone with a B18 has beat B16 powered cars....The debate will never end.
It's just a personal preference....higher displacement and more torque or higher revving and higher peak horsepower. I could keep going about why displacement and torque are important but I'm not going keep fueling this fire.

BamBam you only have a B20? Those motors are only good if you have VTEC. I ran circles around one in a 92 HB. I mob with a JDM B16A1 with a VTEC controller, Mugen Chip, Intake and exhaust only. And B18 are just a cheap way of going about a B16. Only Frankenstein motors are worth the money or a B16B/or a B18C5. Not to talk crap but I'm just throwing that out there.

You sir are misinformed...please stop posting such nonsense

What are you saying? What other motor is worth having in a Daily driven Honda? Besides a K20 or the Frankensteins? I have seen what people can do with these motors. My boy has his CRX SI with a 70 shot of NOS and I still beat him with two other people in my car. Shoot I was taught to drive at Sears Point RaceWay so I know I'm a good driver.

Oh so your hott shit now...yea no one cares buddy.

Sound like a big headded noob to me, why exactly do you have a "mugen" chipped ecu but then you have a vtec controller? Do you like to waste money?

Have any 1/4 mile times there buddy?

Shoot I was taught to drive at Sears Point RaceWay so I know I'm a good driver.

Sheeet boooi!

Its funny how when someone goes to the racetrack they use it on the internet as crediblity that they are good drivers.

Seriously noob, stop posting now and save yourself from being made a fool.

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Sounds to me like you guys are just soar. As for the whole "Why do I have a Mugen ECU with a Vtec controller" question. If you didn't know you can change your fuel curve as well as activate your VTEC sooner and by having this setup it gives you more power and makes your car run cleaner. But I'm sure you guys knew that (DUMBASS)!

If you didn't know you can change your fuel curve as well as activate your VTEC sooner and by having this setup it gives you more power and makes your car run cleaner. But I'm sure you guys knew that (DUMBASS)!

oh yes we are sore because some guy on the internet says he can drive, and hasnt even posted times yet. and of course because you say it, its true right.

yes i did know that. if you didnt know you can also change your timing map. if you want to play a tuning game with me, ill school your ass.

Sounds to me like you guys are just soar. As for the whole "Why do I have a Mugen ECU with a Vtec controller" question. If you didn't know you can change your fuel curve as well as activate your VTEC sooner and by having this setup it gives you more power and makes your car run cleaner. But I'm sure you guys knew that (DUMBASS)!

What are we SORE about?

Well.."DUMBASS" if you were so smart you would know a mugen chipped ecu already changes your fuel maps and vtec point depending on if you have a real one or ebay one or whatever you want to think. Having a vtec controller on a chipped ecu that already messes with your fuel/vtec is a waste because it does the same thing...but you knew that right?

YO! Tune your VTAK! More more more fuel for your Honda, it will be so much fastAR!

Fuck, people are screwed on here latley.. Are you LOUDCRXSi's brother or something?!

Fuck, people are screwed on here latley.. Are you LOUDCRXSi's brother or something?!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh I'm sorry But I did know that, I actully didn't think you would understand so I didn't want to overwhelm you with knowledge. Man if your car was as fast as your shit talken, then maybe you would have a chance to beat me. Bring your car to SJ, CA and run my TurboCharged B16A1 CRX then we will see what kind of driver I am!

I mob with a JDM B16A1 with a VTEC controller, Mugen Chip, Intake and exhaust only.

Bring your car to SJ, CA and run my TurboCharged B16A1 CRX then we will see what kind of driver I am!

do i smell :bs:

yea your caught dude...you dont know shit...you probably dont own a car, go away.

post pics with your car, car#, track, and time slip. that will prove what you and your car can do.

HAHA.. Now its a turbo'd, Mugen chipped, SAFC equipped racecah!

Seriously, we know that civicHBsi91 is already a liar with no real car, where's your proof though? You're the newbie dumbass.. Not us.

Seriously, we know that Mikebuen is already a liar with no real car, where's your proof though? You're the newbie dumbass.. Not us.

is this what you meant ?

No, he's calling out civicHBsi91 and you and I and everyone else here knows he's a phony, but I want to know if this guy is one too..

I thought that "Frankenstien" motors were the only way to go, and now hes saying he has a turbo'd B16A1 and he knows hes a race car driver because he goes to the track.

I know sarcasm is hard to convey ala internet, but bear with me please.

oh ok now i get it

BamBam you only have a B20? Those motors are only good if you have VTEC. I ran circles around one in a 92 HB. I mob with a JDM B16A1 with a VTEC controller, Mugen Chip, Intake and exhaust only. And B18 are just a cheap way of going about a B16. Only Frankenstein motors are worth the money or a B16B/or a B18C5. Not to talk crap but I'm just throwing that out there.


Oh I'm sorry But I did know that, I actully didn't think you would understand so I didn't want to overwhelm you with knowledge. Man if your car was as fast as your shit talken, then maybe you would have a chance to beat me. Bring your car to SJ, CA and run my TurboCharged B16A1 CRX then we will see what kind of driver I am!

Must have totally forgot about his turbo. He also states that his motor is NOT worth the money according to his criteria.

BamBam you only have a B20? Those motors are only good if you have VTEC. I ran circles around one in a 92 HB. I mob with a JDM B16A1 with a VTEC controller, Mugen Chip, Intake and exhaust only. And B18 are just a cheap way of going about a B16. Only Frankenstein motors are worth the money or a B16B/or a B18C5. Not to talk crap but I'm just throwing that out there.

You are the BIGGEST idiot I've ever met! (and i've met alot of idiots!)
Those are some pretty bold statements you just made. My B20 is only good with a vtec head? Bring you're b16a1 car to CT and race my B20 powered rex....this is so funny!
Believe it or not, anyone who is making any real power in a vtec equipped car usually disengages the vtec function, especially if they are turbo as well. The real advantage in vtec heads is not the secondary lobes of the vtec cams or the variable timing, but the larger intake valves, intake ports, better intake manifolds and throttle bodies, etc. This in turn makes more air flow thru the head. Add the extra fuel that the vtec ecu will add and boom....you have more power. Not to mention that the vtec equipped motors come with some of the best stock, close geared trannies any auto manufacturer has ever made! Vtec is overglorified...it was actually created for fuel economy, not horsepower. Do you even know how vtec works, what it stands for, where it originated, or who created it? I do. And I also know that my B20 equipped CRX will wax your B16 equipped whatever you have, whether it be a crx, hatchback, 99-00 si, del sol or in a f-ing go-kart! (well probably not the go-kart).
You've already managed to make yourself appear totally misinformed and STUPID (for lack of better words). Even if i owned a B16 or GSR powered CRX, I would be offended by your lack of knowledge and misinformation.
Have a nice day, Sir.

Id also love to see that intake on your turb'd b16...lol...what brand of intake do you have, is it a cold air or a short ram?

HAHA.. Now its a turbo'd, Mugen chipped, SAFC equipped racecah!

Seriously, we know that civicHBsi91 is already a liar with no real car, where's your proof though? You're the newbie dumbass.. Not us.

i swear if my next statement comes back to haunt me, so help me gawd...

i have to agree with SiZ :uhoh:

am i going to sit here and sift through all the b series quotes to try and call :bs: nope. around here if somebody claims they have something and a member(s) calls bs, it is settled by provision of evidence.

ev-i-dence (n): material presented to help find the truth in a matter

i will except evidence in forms of:
1) pics (engine shot + car w/ hood open)
2) time slips
3) car show entries

note: don't go pull random pics off the net, we weren't born yesterday :nono:

i swear if my next statement comes back to haunt me, so help me gawd...

i have to agree with SiZ :uhoh:


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what a great forum!....sounds like the b20 is the best

what a great forum!....sounds like the b20 is the best

it all depends. It's not much better than a nonvtec b18 unless you get the b16 tranny.