Just wondering if you guys had heard...

I just found this out so I thought i'd share with you guys. Did you hear about the '05 Cobras. They're gonna have the motor from the '05 GT. And I don't mean Mustang GT, I mean the 550 hp supercharged V8. I just think that's really awesome and want to know what you guys think.

But it's not Supercharged is it?

And isn't that the engine out of the lightning anyway?

Yeah, it's gonna be supercharged, and the previous gen Cobra motors went in Lightnings.

I meant the Ford GT's engine, Isn't it just a rebuilt Lightning engine?

And that'll be cool with the engine in there, but will it be runnin the full boost for 500HP? I wouldn't think so... but Maybe they wanna try and compete with the z06, Might be nice :)

Wow, these horsepower races are getting crazy.

...you know, I THINK there MIGHT be a Mustang forum around here somewhere. :dunno:

There is no 05 cobra. And the 03/04 lightnings had supercharged 5.4 litre engines as I recall..and the cobra had a DOHC 4.6 with a supercharger.

No 05 Cobra?

Nope, it's not coming out until 06 or 07.

Yeah, it's gonna be supercharged, and the previous gen Cobra motors went in Lightnings.


Gar. First off thats wrong, second of why would you do that? A cobra only had 10 more hp(390hp vs. 380hp) and a ton less torque(390tq vs. 450tq)

99-04 Lightnings had a supercharged 5.4L 360hp(99-00) 380hp(01-04). Cobras had 4.6L the 03-04s had superchargers. 93-95 Lightnings had the 351w no supercharger.

2007 SVT Mustang Cobra
460 horsepower
480 lb torque
5.4 supercharged dohc (same engine from the GT-40)
$35,000

The reason the horsepower and torque aren't like the GT-40's is because they switched the pullies for the supercharger and stuff to lower the numbers on it. I'm sure that once it's out you can probably go somewhere and get the pullies to get it to the full 500.

^Question were did you get this information? A link maybe

dampachi and RedLightning setting them stait.:sunglasse

^Question were did you get this information? A link maybe

I forget where I got that information but if you search "2006/2007 SVT Cobra" you'll get tons of sites that have inside information and so on. Most of the sites though pretty much have the same information I just gave. The numbers and such are flexed some but that's about the average.

I saw some 07 Cobra info on svtperformance.com. Youd have to do a search on their site b/c it was posted on there awhile ago.

Wow, I'm not a ford kinda guy, but I gotta hand it to ford for making a car with that much HP at that kinda price.

fuck man i cant wait 2 see that new cobra. its gonna kick ass. only if i had money 2 buy 1 when they come out lol.

I saw a TV program about the designing of the '07 cobra. they look good. like a smoothed out hatchback version of the '05 mustangs. i hate the '05 mustangs but i like the '07 cobra's. but i doubt it will only be 35,000. because if it is. Chevy just got a kick in the ass. the C6 will have a dman good run for its money. besides the fact that a base C6 has a hell of alot more features than a base Cobra.

I don't think mustangs have looked good since the 70's lol. The new ones look like crap.

::sigh:: ford. id rather buy a vette and still be n/a

Vets and camaros are just about the only american cars I'd consider buying as of now, wouldent mind owning a stingray or a 3rd gen camaro one bit.

they need to bring the f-bodies back!
the whole thing is, i wouldnt want a car that everyone knows can whoop their ass. then it isnt fair, like the 06' zo6. come on 500hp stock..thats a little unpractical, yet so kick ass

Yea, whats to mod?

anything and ewverything

whats to mod? , ha ha ha ha
its a small block pushrod chevy, a small block 427


you can do anything to it,
500hp is the base line,
gonna pass all emissions standards
still gets 30mpg on the highway version.

and for the record, ford isnt going after the corvette with the cobra, the vette has already beaten it. the vette is after the ford gt, thats where its at. the cobra for all its greatness is still just a mustang, the corvette has grown up and goes after bigger fish now

Unpractical? Impractical. :) And honestly I really can't see them putting almost 500hp in a cobra and selling it for only $35,000. I think what'll happen is they still have around 390hp..they'll just use a more aggressive gearing/suspension to gain faster 1/4 mile times. Not to mention how much that would cost to insure. And wow..just imagine if shit does start getting this fast. Think of that man..a world where redneck and mr luos and just 'exceptionally quick'. Man that's scary.

well it should be interesting, ford and chevy are making a bulletproof 5 speed auto, together sopposedly for awd applications

if they trow that into the cobra or a new camaro thier could be some hell to pay with the little sti's and evos

if a cobra came out with 500hp...it would spank a vette. as of now. the cobra's are nothing to chevy but an underpriced over exagerated vehicle. IMO chevy needs to make a few more in between cars. the colbalt SS is a supercharged cavilier. the SSR is some HP on a trailblazer chassis. and all of chevys other sedans arent even semi quick. then you have the vette which can only be aforded by people with alot of cash for insurance. insurance companies dont like to play around with 400+hp untill your past your mid life crissis. what is the point of owning a vett if you drive it like a cadie? GM got rid of the much faster and much cheaper Comaro and basically replaced it with a want-to-be GTO with too much HP for its Aussie frame. Ford needs to go in one design direction. half of their cars are going like a future looking yet still going retro and the rest are boring old modern designs. and they REALLy need to get rid of the F350 quad cab long wheelbase long bed. its like a bus...with a bed. ugly as all get out.
And as far as performance goes Dodge needs to make a performance coupe/sedan other than the SRT-4. other than early 20's idiots who wants to drive a turbo neon? the stratus coupe is 'ok' but still fwd. really i think it should be made illegal to call fwd perfomrance and still pass california's emmision laws. Really all domestic companies need to head back towards RWD and/or AWD like asian companies (even honda/acura has the S2000 and that AWD integra type thing. htough they need to bump the HP up on the NSX and bring the price down) are now and like most european companes never did (except for mini which hasnt made a RWD cooper in a LONG time).
And i think the vett is not only looking to take down the ford GT but also, eventually, looking to take down the viper. Thoes new C6's are amazing. i watched another TV program (in electronics at my school every friday/thursday we watch a video on new technoligies. what an easy A) on the C6. GM did alot of testing out on the autobahn and on a 50mile long privet racing track. with a profesional driver, and all of the performance products offered by GM for the Vette, the c6 fared an average speed of 133mph. that is doing 50miles in around 22:30. simply amazing. they where testing something about the brakes, they kept overheating. they designed a new vent in the air dam but then it caused too much lift. all in all they got it all buttoned up. it is an amazing car for just around $44,000 coupe. that is the performance of an Elise for about the same price. minus the sexy european styleing.

C6 vs Elise: same price, you can live with the vette everyday, the lotus is a weekend special.

oh and when were mini coopers rwd? (maybe you are thinking of the beetle?)

if they trow that into the cobra or a new camaro thier could be some hell to pay with the little sti's and evos

I already give those hell. :evillol:

But damn those things can launch.

oh and i would like to add, if the cobra does come with over 400hp it would take the king of the street title away from sti's and evo's (as far as new cars are concerned)

oh and i would like to add, if the cobra does come with over 400hp it would take the king of the street title away from sti's and evo's (as far as new cars are concerned)
I wouldn't say they ever had the distinction.

The current 03/04 Cobra came with 390 horse. Supercharged DOHC 4.6. Forged motor as well.
While the AWD STi and Evo could launch, they didn't stand a chance against the Cobra once it hooked.

hmm... maybe i am discrediting the cobra. but i hold the japanese rally rivals in high regard.

the colbalt SS is a supercharged cavilier.

No it is not. The cobalt is based on the all new epsilon platform as numerous new other GM products. It is far superior product to the cavalier of old and it should be respected for what it is.



And as far as performance goes Dodge needs to make a performance coupe/sedan other than the SRT-4. other than early 20's idiots who wants to drive a turbo neon?
And consider this an official warning drop the attitude here in in the other forum sections (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). You will not call other car owners "idiots" and your smug attitude stops now.


the stratus coupe is 'ok' but still fwd. really i think it should be made illegal to call fwd perfomrance and still pass california's emmision laws.

Hmmm last time I checked FWD cars and MR layouts are the most efficient due to having the the smallest parasitic loss trough the drive train. So if anything they should cause less emisions. Therefore could you explain that statement of yours?

Cool it CBFryman..I'd hate to see you get banned. The thing about the 03/04 cobra VS STi is the cobra guy has to launch decently or he'll never catch up. You guys saw slowprocesses video against the Mach 1 right? That's somewhat like a stock STi VS a stock 03/04 cobra. The STi will lead the race and the cobra would eventually pass. This reminds me of last summer I saw this "stock" LS1 RAPING everyone. STis, cobras, evo 8s. No one could beat him. His engine sounded different..but nobody knew what the hell was going on. The motor looked almost 100% stock..and they searched for nitrous..nothing. Until he finally let his secret out..he had some kind of weird turbo underneath his car before his exhaust. I know this probably sounds stupid to some of you..but search it. Theres a company that makes a turbo that goes under the car before the exhaust.

where the old Mini's form like the 70's FWD?

As for the SRT-4. I wasnt calling SRT-4 owners idiots, im calling the type of people who would buy that type of car idiots if they drive like that age group tends to do in a 'Performance' sedan. Just because you are 21 and you drive an SRT-4 doesnt man you are an idiot. but if you wave through traffic and never stop talking about how fast your car is and how it will beat this that and the other even though it wont... then yes you have some problems in the head. and need a reality check.

As for the colbalt. looks like a modified cavilier to me. Im going by styleing. it also shares the same engine with an extra 5hp. 2.2l ECOTECH

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/CBFryman/colbal2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/CBFryman/cavi2.jpg

which is which? seem quite similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/CBFryman/colbalt3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/CBFryman/cavi3.jpg

agian, which is which. sure there are differences but alot of the lines are quite similar.


As far as FWD goes. Loosing less power through the drive train is worthless if you cant put it to the ground under heavy acceleration. WHen you have to make your FWD car looke like a 7sec Funny car in reverse to make it run mid 9's...(ie huge tires in the front very skinney onesi n the back) yet there are RWD cars that can run in the 9's all day and then with a few minor modifications be street worthy. something is wrong. FWD also has horrible cornering capeabilities. granted it opens up space and often FWD usualy have shorter wheelbases. but with no way to correct understeer but by brakeing and with alot of torque steer most FWD's you have to coast through the corners and once you get out of the apex accerate. where as RWD can correct understeer by adding a little throttle and they are able to accelerate out of the apex. you dont see BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.. making FWD cars and slaping sport or performance on them. Ive about decided there is no point in taking a 100whp Civic and trying to make it compeat with a 215whp S2000. granted the civic can be had for half the price. but hten you have to slap a that extra 10-15k into performance. sure it will make more hp than the s2000 will but then agian it will wont ever have the crispness of RWD car with perfomance set up suspension and the D and B series blocks where never designed to make 300hp.
and as far as that goes V-Tec was not originaly designed as a huge performance adding valve train. sure its great, but over exagerated. same with dodges Hemi. it is a wonderful motor/head design but it is over exagerated. im not bashing v-tec or the Hemi design. im saying for what they are they do add performance but no so much that the competition cant compensate. and as far as v-tec goes, jsut about ever major automotive manufacture now has some type of ECVVT (Electronicly Controlled Variable Valve Timing). Most in Performance, Economy, and a mix between the two. it isnt that big of a deal now.

The motor looked almost 100% stock..and they searched for nitrous..nothing. Until he finally let his secret out..he had some kind of weird turbo underneath his car before his exhaust. I know this probably sounds stupid to some of you..but search it. Theres a company that makes a turbo that goes under the car before the exhaust.

STS turbo kit for the F-Bodies. Turbo replaces the muffler basicly.
I watched a WS.6 that was completely stock other than the STS kit make 500 RWHP. Barely tell anything was done under the hood. Two things come to mind. Oil return line at the oil fill, and the induction. Most go airbox lid to intake manifold. Well, this one had a lid, but had a pipe coming in from underneath.

CB, The body doesn't make the car.

Look at kit cars. Would you call a kit GT40 with say a honda engine, a GT40?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

what about the new cadillac v-series? those things are sick. 400hp ls6, 6 speed manual, 18in wheels, 14in rotors. and the new impala is going to have a front wheel drive small block in it.
why is ford throwing superchargers onto everything?
with gm products you are still left with that option.

You just can't stand being wrong can't you.

where the old Mini's form like the 70's FWD?

As for the SRT-4. I wasnt calling SRT-4 owners idiots, im calling the type of people who would buy that type of car idiots if they drive like that age group tends to do in a 'Performance' sedan. Just because you are 21 and you drive an SRT-4 doesnt man you are an idiot.
As for the colbalt. looks like a modified cavilier to me. Im going by styleing. it also shares the same engine with an extra 5hp. 2.2l ECOTECH




Fact is you claimed that an early 20's person that buys an SRT4 is an idiot its quite clear in this quote.

And as far as performance goes Dodge needs to make a performance coupe/sedan other than the SRT-4. other than early 20's idiots who wants to drive a turbo neon?






As far as FWD goes. Loosing less power through the drive train is worthless if you cant put it to the ground under heavy acceleration. WHen you have to make your FWD car looke like a 7sec Funny car in reverse to make it run mid 9's...(ie huge tires in the front very skinney onesi n the back) yet there are RWD cars that can run in the 9's all day and then with a few minor modifications be street worthy. something is wrong. FWD also has horrible cornering capeabilities. granted it opens up space and often FWD usualy have shorter wheelbases. but with no way to correct understeer but by brakeing and with alot of torque steer most FWD's you have to coast through the corners and once you get out of the apex accerate. where as RWD can correct understeer by adding a little throttle and they are able to accelerate out of the apex. you dont see BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.. making FWD cars and slaping sport or performance on them. Ive about decided there is no point in taking a 100whp Civic and trying to make it compeat with a 215whp S2000. granted the civic can be had for half the price. but hten you have to slap a that extra 10-15k into performance. sure it will make more hp than the s2000 will but then agian it will wont ever have the crispness of RWD car with perfomance set up suspension and the D and B series blocks where never designed to make 300hp.


And now you try and bullshit your way out of this. Where did i ever mentioned the handling capabilities of the FWD cars. That never even came into the discussion.

I was responding to this comment you made:

the stratus coupe is 'ok' but still fwd. really i think it should be made illegal to call fwd perfomrance and still pass california's emmision laws.

and pointed out that from an emissions point of view FWD cars and Midegine RWD cars are themost efficient due to minimal parasitic loss. Therfore your comment makes no sense.

Also again the cobalt and cavalier are very differnt cars. Its a whole new platform period.

So take this very seriously, since it’s the last warning. Lose the superiority complex and stop being condescending.

As far as perfomrance goes, straightline and how much power to the wheels shouldnt determine it. "performance" can be applied to everything. i said FWD shouldnt be called performance. emmision laws because most FWD cars hav i-4's with the occasional v6. some are "quick" but none are fast. no FWD car compeats with a z28. no fwd car compeats with an M3, no FWD car compeats with 3rd gen RX-7 TT. thoes are sport, thoes are performance. to make most FWD cars come even close in straightline acceleration have to do major modifications. what it takes to get a z28 into the 13's....nothing. what it takes to get a civic into the 13's, engine swap, forced induction, tuning, tranny swap, and drag radials up front. on top of the fact that even though the z28 is a "muscel car" it will still beat a civic though the twisties. i like to turn (no that doesnt mean changing the direction of my opinion ;) )
i really dont know why you are trying to make me look like a "Freaking Idiot." in that 'other post' i only did a simple correction to what you said. and since then you have nothing but try to make me look dumb... but anyway im not trying to get banned so say what you want, im stepping down.

Edit:
Here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=341175&page=1&pp=15) is a link to the thread we are tlaking about, incase anyone is wondering. but it is dead and then revived agian. it has died agian so please do not bring it back. the discussion has been setteled.

What does it take to get an SRT-4 into 13s? Nothing. And they're FWD. You just lost a ton of respect from me.

For one thing a srt-4 can easily compete with a
z-28 the 05 is a high 13 sec car from the factory, and my fwd 3000GT is A PERFORMANCE/SPORTS CAR oh and did you know the genius's at mazda made a fwd truck in the late 80's early 90's hows that for irony.

Sprinkle some water on that baby truck and maybe some day it will grow into a real one.

What does it take to get an SRT-4 into 13s? Nothing. And they're FWD. You just lost a ton of respect from me.

:1: CB, according to that little link you gave there, you showed me that you like to debate, and that's great and all. But you tend to open your mouth and say things that would get you into trouble. Granted you know a lot about science and your very intelligent indeed, but you just seem to prove that you are being a pompous little high schooler.

Really, end this discussion. I myself wouldn't like to see you get banned. So please, save yourself the trouble of being banned, owned, and disrespected in these forums and call it at that. Your a good guy, you contribute greatly to these forums, so end it. L8...

CB in case you wondering this is not related to that thread, that was a recent thing. I have warned you in the past especially when you attacked SaabJohan. That guy is an actuall engineer but like ussually you got on his case to lecture him not to mention the personal insults to him.

You just cannot imagine yourself being wrong. You just made an uninformed inflamatory post and you are still defiant.

:1: CB, according to that little link you gave there, you showed me that you like to debate, and that's great and all. But you tend to open your mouth and say things that would get you into trouble. Granted you know a lot about science and your very intelligent indeed, but you just seem to prove that you are being a pompous little high schooler.


you just nailed it with that last sentence. He is just a show off and its clear where his level of education is. Even on the web its easy to tell that: this is why i have a lot of respect for SaabJohan and a few other guys in the engineering sections since they are very well informed. I've watched CB for a while and he has a very bad habbit of jumping very agresivelly at the smallest perceived mistake.

About that thread the funny thing is that as a student I happen to live in student dorms and several of my friends are actual mechanical engineers and we used that term several times without a problem. They even laughed when I told them about some guy that made such a big fuss about it. The fact is that the term might be technically incorrect but its convenient enough to use it without being a problem.

Well that was when i was new, i know i was wrong. the SRT-4 is fast, im not denying that. yes it is sport. still a turbo Neon. and as for saanjohan, i persoanlly apolgised for that. and wtf does a fwd truck from mazda have to do with anything? so i drive a mazda, so i think it is quick for a pretty much completely stock lifted light truck. it isnt like im a mazda fan (though i do like RX-7's) and it isnt like i claimed my truck to be fast. i drive a mazda because it was a good deal and i liked it when i test drove it. and the only truely fast 3000GT's from my experence are the vr4's which are AWD...
as for the SRT-4 being a 13sec car. i didnt know they where that quick. ive seen video of them being owned completely by turbo and supercharged Tiburon's that run in the mid-low 13's. but if they truely are that fast i am owned :owned: :biggrin2:

As for me argueing, i know i like to. it is a habbit. my mom thinks i shoudl go to law school instead of engineer/deisgn because i can argue almost any point and make it seem completely plausible to osme extent. problem is im too lazy to go to law school. i try not to seem like too much of an ass when i am proven wrong. :sly:

The srt-4 has almost no component similarity to a neon, it is a totally different vehicle, to call it a neon is an insult. As for the vr-4 being the only truly fast 3000GT, that depends on your definition of fast,in my opinion a 14 sec car is fast, a vr-4 which is a low 13 high 12 sec car (in the case of the MR) is incredibly fast especially from a dig. Most people think they are to heavy but with a 320 hp engine (which produces 315 lb ft of torque at 2,500 rpm's all the way to redline ) they move pretty damn well. And i apologize for the mazda crack it just annoyed me when you stated that a fwd car shouldn't be considered a sports car.

The srt-4 has almost no component similarity to a neon, it is a totally different vehicle, to call it a neon is an insult.

a SVT Lightning is still an F-150
a SVT Cobra is still a mustang
a SRT-4 is still a Neon

Good way of putting it, RedLightning.

No, a lightning is a lightning
a cobra is a cobra
a srt-4 is a srt-4 :smile:

No, a lightning is a lightning
a cobra is a cobra
a srt-4 is a srt-4 :smile:

Which is an F-150.
Which is a Mustang.
Which is a Neon.


Sorry, just because it runs faster and better than it shitbox counterparts, doesn't mean it isn't still a Neon. Still looks like one, doesn't it?


EDIT: Adding to this......my car is still a Firebird.

I submit :worshippy

I submit :worshippy

lol
I understand where you are coming from. Other than looks, they really are nothing like a Neon.
I don't this for a fact......I haven't owned one, or driven one for that matter.
But I have heard they have the quality issues the regular Neons have. Rattles, tranny problems, just overall build cheapness.

Either way, they are quick, and I have had one give me a hell of a race from 20-60. I only got about a car on him. He had some mods done as well, and he had our altitude at his advantage, but I try not to use that as an excuse. I run where I can, even if it is 5400 feet up.

How's that swap coming along? luos

It is going.

Gets very expensive, and it gets there quickly. I should have the shortblock here within a month, hopefully less.
Then, time to start building it. Still undecided on heads and cam, but I want streetable and powerful.
The way things are going right now, I am hoping to have her up and running again in June/July sometime.

Well this thread did run its course. A better place for info on the new cobra is our mustang forums anyway. I'm sure the guys there are more up to date on al the ford gossip.