Up and close with new GT, I don't know

Well I got a chance to get a real upclose look at the new Mustang GT tonight at the auto show. Sorry guys no pics I forgot the camera.
Its a very good buy for $27K. The headers on this thing are very funky. There webbed together and tucked very tightly against the block on the drivers side and just barely misses the steering linkage. I wasn't crazy about that, I'd like to see somebody try to attempt to make a header. I don't see it without some extreme modification.

Now as much as I liked the new Mustang its gonna get its lunch eaten by the new GTO. Now don't everyone get pissed because Im not a GTO fan. But lets face it HP is HP and the 2005 is gonna be putting down 400HP stock.:eek7: Thats right its powered by the exact same LS2 motor in the Vette. Priced at $33K thats ugly.

I'm not too worried about the GTO,:)

and yeah that header is TIGHT, but there really is not much room to do anything with that. I kinda think Ford compensated for that with the mandrel bent tubing they used.

2007 SVT Cobra 460 HP 480 lb torque $35,000
GTslOw

2007 SVT Cobra 460 HP 480 lb torque $35,000
GTslOw
Exactly what I was thinking.

New ZO6 has a 427 (LS-7?) I think thats puts out 500hp and 475 torque.... I know its a vette, but soon the new camaro comes out... I heard 2006 somewhere but I think thats wrong. But I wouldn't be too surprised if that engine made it on the SS camaros. I woudl like to see, not because I'm a chevy fan, just because I like to the oldschool type horsepower wars coming back.

anyone else read that car&driver article compairing the 05 GT to the GTO?

anyone else read that car&driver article compairing the 05 GT to the GTO?

No, but I read the one in Auto Week and the GTO is a little faster, but they took the Mustang over it because of price, handling and style pretty much the only things the GTO won in the artical was the acceleration stuff everything esle was the Mustang.:iceslolan

Doesn't the '06 or '07 SVT Cobra get shown at the NewYork auto show in late March early Apirl?

i forgot exactly what mag it was, that was prolly it.

New ZO6 has a 427 (LS-7?) I think thats puts out 500hp and 475 torque.... I know its a vette, but soon the new camaro comes out... I heard 2006 somewhere but I think thats wrong. But I wouldn't be too surprised if that engine made it on the SS camaros. I woudl like to see, not because I'm a chevy fan, just because I like to the oldschool type horsepower wars coming back.
I have been hearing 2007 for years now but at this point its all rumors. A few years back everyone was saying for 05 and we all see how true that is. Also I would take the new mustang over a GTO price and looks wise too but anyone thats raced one can hardly call them slow.

I like to the oldschool type horsepower wars coming back.

Same here. I really like the GTO, and think it is great that the auto manufacturers are having such a big horsepower war. The only difference is that gas prices are sky high, and this time the hp war is with small blocks, but that isn't a problem with todays small blocks. I can't afford any of them since I am still a high school student, but think it is great that it is going on. I do a lot of documentery-watching, and article-reading about those days, and feel like I am living it(in a sense).

The only difference is that gas prices are sky high, and this time the hp war is with small blocks,
I test drove the 2005 Mustang GT and the Mitsubishi Evo 8.
The mustang was fast, but it was a little too heavy and could use another 75hp.
The Evo was insanely fast but had a wild torque curve because of the turbocharger running at 19 psi.
However, once Vortech starts making kits for the Mustang......

I have been hearing 2007 for years now but at this point its all rumors. A few years back everyone was saying for 05 and we all see how true that is. Also I would take the new mustang over a GTO price and looks wise too but anyone thats raced one can hardly call them slow.


I was sure that I had heard the last Camaro/Trans Am/firebird that came of the line was to be the last one?????

Wasnt the Cobalt suppossed to take the Camaro's place as corvettes little brother????

You gotta love the guys at GM/Ford for thinking of ways to make a 500 HP car that sells with todays gas prices....

I think we should just turn the Middle East into the United States Mid-Eastern parking section, take the oil, and then everyone could run a 427 in their car......

[QUOTE]New ZO6 has a 427 (LS-7?) I think thats puts out 500hp and 475 torque.... I know its a vette, but soon the new camaro comes out... I heard 2006 somewhere but I think thats wrong. But I wouldn't be too surprised if that engine made it on the SS camaros.



i think theyll increase the power to since thats the trend nowadays, but i think theres a better chance that they would put the 400hp LS2 in it.

Well according to the Chevy people I talked to at the show. The Cobalt was built to replace the cavalier. There SS version of the Cobalt makes 205hp with its supercharged motor. One thing I noticed that was pretty interesting is that the Supercharged Saturn Ion and the SS Cobalt both share the exact same 205hp motor. I didn't know that unitl the show.

As far as the Corvette is concerned the Standard Vette is 400Hp and 400ft lb of torque out of a 6.0 motor. The Zo6 which has not come out yet is gonna have the 427 with 500hp. I asked about the camaro but everyone I talked to about it says GM has no plans on bringing it back. Maybe GM just wants to push Vettes, to have something that will outrun a 911 for $45K aint a bad deal.

This reply is about the GTO. I don't think that they are that big of a problem for mustang owners. I don't know if any body read it or not but 'Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords' did an article 'MachI vs GTO' needless to say the 315hp aluminum 281 beat the 350hp GTO. Now with that said I believe that GT owners shouldn't have to do much upgrading to compete with a GTO. And from what i'm noticing in the area i live in, its all older people driving the GTO's which will probably never see a mod other than a cold air intake, which it might not even see that.

well as stated earlier the 05 GT beats the 04 GTO. but we are talking about the 05 GTO, it has the 400 hp LS2. It beats the new mustang by a narrow margin. i dont know how a mach1 would hold up but it would probably fall slightly short to, GTO costs more than the new GT tho.

I haven't read any stats on what the new GTO. The guy at the show said is would do low 13's but I'll believe it when I see it on paper. However making 400hp he might be right on.

The new GT is a great buy for the price but I think I'll be holding on to my pushrod for a while.

I got the Jan. 05 C&D issue.
mustang GT vs GTO:
1/4 = 13.8@103 vs 13.3@107
0-60 = 5.1 vs 4.8
lbs = 3575 vs 3787
gears = 3.55 vs 3.46
base $ = $25 vs $33.5
HP = 300 vs 400

C&D give the mustang the win by a very slim margin. Ford finally did something to these cars to make those bastards happy.

How much was the Mitsubishi Evo 8?

How much was the Mitsubishi Evo 8?

You know what I saw it but I didn't even walk over to go look. Way to many kids climbing all over it.

You know what I saw it but I didn't even walk over to go look. Way to many kids climbing all over it.
I dont know why people love these cars so much (Evo + STI). I mean sure id take one, but id probally trade it in for a v8. Seems everyone is in a franzy over them. I use to be one of the people who was like omg that car is awesome...then I grew tired of it. They look like toys too. Im not dissing them, because for a 4banger they perform, but just no longer my taste....

4 banger vs v8

cheaper on gas and sometimes insurance

4 banger vs v8

cheaper on gas and sometimes insurance
Who cares about gas when it comes to performance.

Yeah kids love those things, they can have them. For me there is nothing like the sound of a throaty V8. Ahhhh the smell of smokin tires I love it!!! Untammed, unrefined, and down right pissed off sounding.:evillol:

All this talk about good gas mileage and smooth efficient operation makes me wanna puke.

I got the Jan. 05 C&D issue.
mustang GT vs GTO:
1/4 = 13.8@103 vs 13.3@107
0-60 = 5.1 vs 4.8
lbs = 3575 vs 3787
gears = 3.55 vs 3.46
base $ = $25 vs $33.5
HP = 300 vs 400

C&D give the mustang the win by a very slim margin. Ford finally did something to these cars to make those bastards happy.

In Autoweek they have the Mustangs weight at 3483lbs.:dunno:

Who cares about gas when it comes to performance.

Yeah kids love those things, they can have them. For me there is nothing like the sound of a throaty V8. Ahhhh the smell of smokin tires I love it!!! Untammed, unrefined, and down right pissed off sounding.:evillol:

All this talk about good gas mileage and smooth efficient operation makes me wanna puke.
When a little 4 banger blows the doors off a huge V8 engine whilst wasting even less gas...that's a huge deal.


Plus those things are more than just straight line racing

here we go again... :disappoin

I'm sorry but any one who talks about a 4-banger beating a v-8 is stupid. All these kids always brag about how they beat a v-8, Blah...Blah. You'll notice that the only way a 4-cyl can beat a v-8 is if you turbo/sc a 4-cyl and spend thousands of dollars to beat a stock v-8. And like 'eillob' said, an import can NEVER compare to the rumble of a v-8! And this talk about imports aren't just straight line racers, well neither are v-8's. I know plenty of v-8's who could school any 4-cyl any day of the week!

When a little 4 banger blows the doors off a huge V8 engine whilst wasting even less gas...that's a huge deal.


Plus those things are more than just straight line racing
It absolutely amazes me all the 4cyl bench racers that come here and preach about blowing away V8's.

If your into modding 4cyl's mod away. I don't hold a grudge against anybody who wants to modify there car. But don't come here and bench race.

There's more than strait line racing? Well isn't that wonderful. I could give a rats a$$, but thank you just the same.

The only racing I recognize is strait line racing. If you guys wanna put up a bunch of cones to dance around in a parking lot somewhere thats your business, but don't try to sell that crap over here because we're not interested.

LOL bench racer

I just answered a question of why the STi's, EVO's and SRT-4's etc are so huge with public demand.
If you didn't like the truth, not my fault.

It's about fine tuning, and yes they have to be turboe'd/supercharged to beat a stock V8. I'll give you that, but also know that these cars come STOCK with turbo's.

I could care less if it's a inline-4, v6 etc... You Mustang owners really need to be less defensive...

You Mustang owners really need to be less defensive...
Im not going to go on the offensive/defensive, but like I said they are just not my taste. However when you take the v8 and turbo it then put it against the turbo4, you will see the 8 shine.

"Shine" is an understatement. :evillol:

and u know what... a STI costs twice as much as a mustang v6 and $11000 more than a GT. the new cobra is in its price area tho, and i guarentee that will smoke any of those cars straight line or not.

and u know what... a STI costs twice as much as a mustang v6 and $11000 more than a GT. the new cobra is in its price area tho, and i guarentee that will smoke any of those cars straight line or not.
....paitiently wait for the new cobra.... im pretty sure that the kiddies will be all over that (even w/o a giant spoiler).

thats what i plan on buying when i get outa college :biggrin: 460hp and IRC or solid axle choice... only difference between the 550hp motor in the ford GT and the cobra is the positioning of the underdrive pulley... i bet it wouldnt be to difficult to move the back down. oh yeah, that IRC pulls more than 1g on the skidpad. lol i like the spoiler joke... so true.

Remind me one more time why it is that these Front wheel drive cars need so much downforce on their Rear wheels???

Remind me one more time why it is that these Front wheel drive cars need so much downforce on their Rear wheels???
Evo+STi=AWD

ok man your fighting a losing battle... this happens all the time, some 4 banger guy comes on here and argues and we prove him wrong and he eventually gets iritated and starts flaming and gets banned. why the hell are you posting on a mustang forum?

Evo+STi=AWD
I second the losing battle comment. Sure they are faster in stock form, but if you think the fastest of Evos and STIs can hold a bumper to the fastests of Mustangs you dont belong on these forums. Perticularly, I dont think you belong on the Mustang forums at all.

Evo+STi=AWD

So what about the little ricer punks running around here with park benches super glued to their trunks? Dont see them driving evos and sti's. They are driving accords and neons ect. But those are your kinda people right?

Go away...

ok man your fighting a losing battle... this happens all the time, some 4 banger guy comes on here and argues and we prove him wrong and he eventually gets iritated and starts flaming and gets banned. why the hell are you posting on a mustang forum?
LOL, me banned?
Think that if you may but I've been here longer than you have and has yet to be banned.
What is it that you have said so far to prove me wrong? And wrong about what might I add?
I'm sorry, I don't remember ever needing permission to post in any section


I second the losing battle comment. Sure they are faster in stock form, but if you think the fastest of Evos and STIs can hold a bumper to the fastests of Mustangs you dont belong on these forums. Perticularly, I dont think you belong on the Mustang forums at all.
Why do you people always make things into a domestic vs imprt war? I just listed the reasons why people like the so-called 4 banger POS's over V8's and such.
How does one "belong" to a forum? Because I don't drive one? What makes you think that I've neve even driven a Mustang?


So what about the little ricer punks running around here with park benches super glued to their trunks? Dont see them driving evos and sti's. They are driving accords and neons ect. But those are your kinda people right?

Go away...
And what about the riced out Mustangs?

you listed why people like the 4bangers... ok great. i dont see how saying the fastest mustangs are faster than the EVO's and STI's is turning anything into a import vs domestic war, thats the truth basically. i never said u were wrong about anything... we havent tryed to prove u wrong on anything yet, and it doesnt matter how long youve been on here, if u get banned u get banned. hell i dont even know what we're arguing about, u admited a 4 takes a turbo or s/c to beat a v8 and ur right that those cars come stock with a turbo so u havent said anything wrong. but like i pointed out earlier those cars cost a lot more than a mustang GT. the mustang in a similar price area will smoke those cars, the cobra, and i dont think u had a problem with that cause u didnt say anything back to it. you said mustangs cant handle but thats a comon misconception, they actually handle pretty well, and u can buy upgrades for the rear to make up for the axle, and the cobra comes with a IRS if u want it, and it pulls over 1g on the skid pad. but seriously though when you pointed out why kids are all over those cars, i disagree there, i seriously think its because of the fast and the furious. after that movie is when all these people started ricing out their neons and shit and its retarded, if u have a legit fast car though i think its cool, but u have to do a good job with it. problem is people try to do that shit and they do a bad job of doing it. but its unrealistic and wrong to say a 4 is flat out better than a v8. my whole point here was price, a STI costs 36k, a mustang GT costs 25k. i think its pretty easy to see how they can make that 4 cyl faster than a v8, and actually the new GT beats a STI 0-60, havent seen the quarter time for that car tho so idk about that. i dont really think theres any argument about the gas though, under normal conditions a 4 cyl will be better than a v8, but if that 4 cyl is beating a v8 then its still using a ton of gas and maybe just as much as the v8. i think the guys on here were just saying they prefer the v8. the reason we get so defensive is because retards with a riced out prelude or something always come in here and say how great there 4cyl is and they beat a mustang or something and their full of crap or they spent 10 grand on mods and the mustang was a 150 auto from the mid 90's. with those people we usually end up proving everything they say wrong and they get mad and start flaming and get banned like i said. happened not to long ago actually. and when the guy said the fastest mustang can beat the fastest STI's well thats the truth really, a new cobra has 465hp and 495tq and it costs in the mid 30's

damn i didnt realize how big that was lol

you said mustangs cant handle but thats a comon misconception, they actually handle pretty well, and u can buy upgrades for the rear to make up for the axle, and the cobra comes with a IRS if u want it.

but its unrealistic and wrong to say a 4 is flat out better than a v8. my whole point here was price, a STI costs 36k, a mustang GT costs 25k.

the reason we get so defensive is because retards always come in here and say how great there 4cyl is and they beat a mustang or something and their full of crap.

With those people we usually end up proving everything they say wrong and they get mad and start flaming and get banned like i said. happened not to long ago actually.

And when the guy said the fastest mustang can beat the fastest STI's well thats the truth really, a new cobra has 465hp and 495tq and it costs in the mid 30's

Yep Yep Yep Yep and Yep!

damn i didnt realize how big that was lol

Yeah it was but good post.

Ok everyone take it easy in here and try to stay on topic. I will say one things about gas mileage and performance. When the HP numbers go up the gas mileage goes down I don't care if it's a 4 banger or a V-12.

Usually similiar HP numbers will produce similiar gas mileage numbers. Those turbo 4 pumping out 300+HP are just as thristy as a 300+HP V8. They need similiar amounts of air and corresponding stoich fuel amounts to match the air. The only reason gas mileage shows better in their favor is cause of the weight of the car and that is also why EVO's and STI's feel like tin can death machines on steriods to me.

you said mustangs cant handle but thats a comon misconception, they actually handle pretty well, and u can buy upgrades for the rear to make up for the axle, and the cobra comes with a IRS if u want it.
That's cool, but then again it will never be fit for rally. Which is ok because it was never meant as a rally car. But just the same can be said how you can easily upgrade turbo's to make the cars that musch faster. Anything can be done to any car these days.

but its unrealistic and wrong to say a 4 is flat out better than a v8. my whole point here was price, a STI costs 36k, a mustang GT costs 25k.
Where did I say that I4 is superior to V8? The only thing I said is that it uses less gas...which no one can disagree on.

the reason we get so defensive is because retards always come in here and say how great there 4cyl is and they beat a mustang or something and their full of crap.
Every section deals with this. I'm not offended by anything said.

With those people we usually end up proving everything they say wrong and they get mad and start flaming and get banned like i said. happened not to long ago actually.[/QUOTE
Don't assume everyone is the same.

[QUOTE]And when the guy said the fastest mustang can beat the fastest STI's well thats the truth really, a new cobra has 465hp and 495tq and it costs in the mid 30'sFastest cars in between both cars or what's going on?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 2005 SVT Cobra's aren't out yet right?

Just for the record and with the exception of the V6 guys I don't think many of us here are concerned with gas mileage. You kinda make that decision whey you buy a V8 in the first place. Good gas mileage and performance are usually not associated together.

But anyway getting back to the GTO and New GT. No the new cobra is not out yet and we won't see it to 2006. However I will be a happy camper if in 2006 the new GT is putting out a little more HP NA. I think another 30 to 50 hp would be exactly what it needs.

Just for the record and with the exception of the V6 guys I don't think many of us here are concerned with gas mileage. You kinda make that decision whey you buy a V8 in the first place. Good gas mileage and performance are usually not associated together.
I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?

I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?Well most of the kids I spoke of were between the ages of 7-18. So you aint gonna find many of them able to fork over that kind of cash. Now the Mustang and GTO scene was the worst of any. The convertable Mustang had a mob around it. The GTO is pushing 400hp stock so beleive me it had plenty of serious motor head attention especially for the price.

I disagree with you to an extent because insurance on an EVO or an STI although 4cyl, still for someone under 25 isnt gonna be cheap. We're not talking about some 4cyl saturn or hundai the insurance co is very aware of the hp numbers those cars put out so don't be decieved. Secondly like GTstang pointed out when your pushing that kind of hp you loose your gas mileage maybe not as bad under normal driving conditions but lets face it how much of a normal driving condition do you think any of those cars are gonna see?

I was only pointing that out because another member asked why kids are all up on these 4bangers instead of muscle cars.


Plain and simple, people pay enough for gas, and insurance. The 4bangers are an alternative to lower those costs and still give some performance.




Anyone disagree?
I will disagree...sorta....

Only because like eillob, I was refering to the younger kids, most without a DL, who wank it to those cars, mostly based on thier looks or media. I highly doubt my 5 yr old half-brother loves the evo because of it's gas mileage, he likes 2f2f. I doubt that 12yr old kid I saw at my grocery store yesterday drooling over an STi in one of the magazines was thinking, damn I can get so far on one gas fillup.

LOL, 2f2f has caused a lot of outrage in the automotive enthusiast world.
Yes the 3rd gen Eclipse and the Evo were the main cars in that movie, but you also have to remember that theres still the silent minority that do buy these cars not for their publicity...but for what they are.
Plus kids without DL will go apeshit over any Skyline cuz of that movie.

Let me throw out there that drag racing's been around for a long long time and as far as im concerned is an american tradition. This road course thing came here from europe it aint american. Yeah its ok I guess for the guy in the car but would you pay to watch it. Drag racing now is a different story, watch'n two 1200hp hotrods go at it? Thats what Im talking about.:evillol: Doesn't get more american than that


Nothing makes your blood boil like straitline racing.

-Big daddy Don Garlitts

the great one

Plus kids without DL will go apeshit over any Skyline cuz of that movie.

Let us not forget the :worshippy Supra :worshippy that was a gift from God and is the ultimate car and will never be beat.


Just so you guys know I don't feel that way and I was being sarcastic. Now I do agree that they are nice cars but I'm just sick of how much attention these things get while other cars that I think are better get the cold shoulder.

Let us not forget the :worshippy Supra :worshippy that was a gift from God and is the ultimate car and will never be beat.


Just so you guys know I don't feel that way and I was being sarcastic. Now I do agree that they are nice cars but I'm just sick of how much attention these things get while other cars that I think are better get the cold shoulder.
Actually both a skyline and supra are amazing sports car. TTv6 AWD plateform for a skyline. Thats awesome. And as for the supras...ever been to a track for a supra meet? These things put out wicked power in a RWD format (many above 1k hp). Might not be the American V8, but still hauls balls.

However the American drag racing comment could not have been anymore true. It is our tradition. While doing laps on a course track is fun (and I think very cool), Drag is still at the American heart.

Actually both a skyline and supra are amazing sports car. TTv6 AWD plateform for a skyline. Thats awesome. And as for the supras...ever been to a track for a supra meet? These things put out wicked power in a RWD format (many above 1k hp). Might not be the American V8, but still hauls balls.

The are very nice sports cars but people seriously act like and think these are the ultimate car over everything and can never be beat. I guess I'm going a little overboard but all the kids around here worship the Supra because of what they saw in f&f and it gets to me.

Well when the Supra smokes a Ferrari, what are the kids suppose to think?

Well when the Supra smokes a Ferrari, what are the kids suppose to think?

You'd hope they'd have sense enough to remember it's a movie but that hope vanishes when they think all Chargers can also pop a wheelie.

that hope vanishes when they think all Chargers can also pop a wheelie.
:grinno: :grinno: :grinno:

Where did I say that I4 is superior to V8? The only thing I said is that it uses less gas...which no one can disagree on

What about cars like the FQ400 in top gear they got 4mpg when driving the car hard, But I have also heard that the Ford GT only get 3.5mpg when driven all out never saw it though. The most part you are correct with milage.

LOL, me banned?
Think that if you may but I've been here longer than you have and has yet to be banned.


Lets not forget that you've received several warnings in the past Raz. Chill out a little.