2005 Mustang GT

Is it Worth 30 G?

Or should I wait for the saleen?

IMO i dont think there worth 30 grand... You can go out and buy a low mileage Fbody LS1 with a 6 speed and way more power and for cheaper... How much will a new saleen be? I would take that Cobra with 390HP SC :iceslolan

I didn't realize that LS1's had way more power than 300 horses. :rolleyes:

I didn't realize that LS1's had way more power than 300 horses. :rolleyes:



LS1s were underated as we all know... The Base Ls1 was rated 305 HP and the SS was rated 325hp.. Lot ppl dynoed there LS1s and lot them hit 290HP at the wheels. Also heard some of them hitting 300hp at the wheels bonestock

the 05 mustang GT beats the fbody ls1 0-60 and in the quarter... nough said

LS1s were underated as we all know... The Base Ls1 was rated 305 HP and the SS was rated 325hp.. Lot ppl dynoed there LS1s and lot them hit 290HP at the wheels. Also heard some of them hitting 300hp at the wheels bonestock

in case you haven't noticed, this forum is titled 'mustang', not 'ls1 beats mustangs'. please take stuff like this elsewhere. we all know about the ls1.

anway the base price for the new stang was 26 grand?? and i dont know for sure but id bet it would outhandle a fbody ls1 car cause the new stangs suspension was completely rebuilt and its pretty awesome, and it still outruns a ls1 fbody. speaking of which, i got a shitty story. my friend has a special edition camaro SS with a ls1 and last saturday he was in his garage gettin something out of the trunk and some guy in a ski mask came up and knocked him out stole the car and wrecked it going over 100 mph, there were only 26 cars like his made. that would suck.

Well, he's not saying anything way off topic..it's getting there. But the question was is an 05 worth it...this guy said no because you can get a better performing car for around the same price. But now he's going on and on about the LS1...if he leaves it at that then it's fine..atleast in my opinion.

true. but the only problem is that its not a better performing car

u guys are all morons u have no idea about cars

u guys are all morons u have no idea about cars


Actually your sig proves how lil you know.... enjoy your permanent vacation!

I like Mustangs and i love camaros.. But theres no way a 05 GT will beat a 6 speed LS1.. Im sorry... Its just a FACT LOL.. The guy was simply asking a question if its worth 30 grand and i said IMO its not worth the money because you can buy a faster car and cheaper.. Maybe bringin the LS1 into it was a bad idea... I should included the 5.0 Mustang 88-93 with a T5.. Those things are amazing. Couple bolt ons and you can run 12s with those things and there cheap as hell.. Theres a kid i kno that runs 12s in his 89 LX with stock heads and stock suspension

Kid, you're a long way from your Prelude forum. You should either show some respect, show some valid points, or get the fuck out.


Edit: Damn GTStang, I was just about to ask a mod to step in here. Great job man. :)

that prelude guy is the same guy causing crap in the other thread, and hey nicks man i like camaros to, im a mustang guy obviously lol. and jim morrison rocks... and yes the ls1 engine obviously outperformes the mustang gt engine. but in their respective cars the mustang runs faster times than the fbody ls1 cars. for instance car&driver clocked the new mustang gt running 0-60 .2 seconds faster 0-60 than the pontiac GTO with a ls1. and they out accelerated the formula 2000 gt and trans-am. now ive never seen times compaired to a camaro SS. but yes the ls1 engine does have more torque and hp, that is fact. its just the actual cars that make the difference.

but another thing to keep in mind is these are professional drivers and idk what difference that may have made in the way the mustang performed in the tests, dont wanna cause any trouble lol, IMO i would get the new 05 GT, even if im wrong about out accelerating a ls1 fbody they still look cool as hell....

I've seen/heard of stock 05 gt mustangs running as slow as 14.2s and as fast as 13.7s. I've heard of stock LS1 trans ams/camaros running as slow as 14.4 and as fast as low 13s. I SAW a 2000 LS1 Z28 with nothing more than an SLP air lid and drag radials run a 12.8.

so basically theyre pretty close, theres a lot of room for error there

how heavy are those camaros anyway?

yea 4th gens are heavy, but they haul with a LS1... I wouldnt really trust magazine times.. My L98 was tested at a 15.3!!!! And i ran a 14.3 bonestock with my 91 Z28... But also another magazing got a L98 to run 14.4 and 14.3.. So magazines suck... Also the LS1 wit a 6 speed and good gears can run low low 13s.. There was one LS1 Fbody that hit 12s bonestock! it was like 12.99 or somthing.. And im not bad mouthing the new mustang.. I think there actually cool.. Its about time Ford brought the GT over 300hp :biggrin: So atleast FORD did there part.. You can mod these stangs and theyll 12s like nothing.

ALSO RIP JIM MORRISION!! 1943-1971

yeah i dont trust times from road&track, they all run slow in that mag. lol finally done with my physics... that the only reason im awake. this looks like a good note to end the discussion on.

also in the newest edition of road&track theres a article about the superformance brock coupe. if u havent done so already check that out i thought it was really cool. :sunglasse

To get back on topic, RobTypeR is a moron.
Now that thats cleared up, back on the real topic. As EVERYONE here is well aware of, 30,000 is alot of money (no shit, I know). With 30 grand you have a wide variety of cars to chose from. If I had 30 grand to blow with no strings attached, just for the hell of it, I would spend it on an 05 Mustang. If the 30 grand was hard-earned money that I needed, I can think of other cars I'd rather have. I don't like the look of the 05 mustangs, unless they have two rally bars down the middle of the car. That changes the whole look of the car in my eyes, and its really what "makes or breaks" the car IMO anyway. In short, yes I would take one if it was given to me, but I can think of other cars I'd rather buy. It is WORTH 30k? I personally don't think so.

Rob

yea but you can get a cheap FOX body with a 302 T5 and fix up and less then 10 grand it will be running 12s.. Plus the Fox Bodies are cool :sunglasse

I would not pay for the 30K for an 05 GT cause even fully optioned there MSRP is $27-28,000 non-vert. The 30K is mark-up cause there thet hot hard to get car right now and people are overpaying I'd just wait till the fad dies down and I would pay the 26K MSRP in a heartbeat if I had it.

The 05 GT is a superior overall car to the LS1 F-bodies. I seen the 05 GT getting mid to low 13's so the 1/4 miles are pretty much a toss-up. But here is where the new 05 starts blowing the LS1 cars away. Handling the new chassis combined wit the 3-link live axles set-up has that Mustang making 350Z owners stop saying but I can handle better! The stock 4th Gen F-bodies are just are gonna match it here.

Another place is interior build, quality, ergonomics. It was already a failry decent consensus that the 99-04 Stangs interiors where of better quality and design than the 4th Gen F-bodies even by F-body owners. The attention to improving the interior in the 05-up Mustangs has taken the Mustang to levels even only the most harden European car owner has complaints about these interiors.

Maybe these other things don't matter to you but in judging a car you can't just look at one area only. If only one area matters to you then yes maybe you should go wit the strongest car in that area. As far as looks I will not comment cause that is pure subjective and nothing you can truely judge.

The 05 GT is a wonderful new benchmark in Mustangs evolution. Things that have for a long time be considered Mustang weak points have no started to be turn into possitives.

IMO i dont think there worth 30 grand... You can go out and buy a low mileage Fbody LS1 with a 6 speed and way more power and for cheaper... How much will a new saleen be? I would take that Cobra with 390HP SC :iceslolan

:iagree:

I hated the new mustang at first..but now I kind of like and I can't wait to pick up a used 05 in a few years. And by then it should have some aftermarket. And I don't mean axleback exhaust. haha.

i killed a 05 gt and i wasn't really impressed at all & for 30g it certainly aint worth it, my buddy bought a used 2002gt and put cai,headers, exhaust, march pulleys and a custom tune and that thing really hauls ass, he has easily taken 05 stangs

I've run head to head with an 05 GT in my stock 02 GT.

comon man the LT1 engine has the same hp as a 05 gt engine and more displacement, and you have all kinds of mods done to it. you have a lot more power than the new stang. the mods done to that 02 gt arent exactly cheap mods either by my standards atleast... and u didnt say if it was a gt stang.... you gotta keep in mind to that the driver has a ton to do with the race and if its a auto or manual to. there are all kinds of hidden variables to what your saying. the best way to find out for certain is to look at 1/4 times. also id say i agree with gtstang that the new 05 gt isnt worth 30k because its supposed to be 26k, id wait for the price to drop, but id definatly get that if i had the choice.

The '05 GTs are turning the 1/4 in the low to mid 13s at around 102-104 MPH BONE STOCK, right off the showroom floor with factory rubber.

That's very impressive for a car that sells for under $30k.

Thanks for your opinions guys, The new 06 Saleen will be base priced at 35 K, And will make 425 HP w/ all the othre good Saleen Parts, includeing a Supercharger.

^ Read that in a magizine, IMO I think it will be more around 40 K

damn now that sounds like a deal.

About a week ago a guy north of Tulsa was doing a high speed chase in an 05 Mustang. The news said the chase was well over 100 m.p.h. and the police didn't have the easiest time keeping up with him. The guy finally ran it off the road and up a hill.

I'd buy a 05 in a few years. First of all to avoid any and all year one problems hoping that they get fixed, and second as mentioned above more aftermarket. I love the styling and the performance seems decent enough. I was a little dissapointed with the rear axle choice but hey, can't be perfect I suppose.

And yes, Jim Morrison rocks.

You can mod these stangs and theyll 12s like nothing.

I agree. The 4.6 has so much potential that hasn't been exploited, and that has been the Mustang all along. From the factory their power numbers aren't so great - but especially with the new Mod motors, these things can be coaxed to MUCH more power than the factory gives them. DOHC heads are around $500 used, and flow well over 300cfm stock. Give them a decent home porting job, some new cams, a higher rev limit, a nice 3000/3500 stall converter, good rear suspension setup, a bit of lightening since the stock ones are so 'fat', and they'll do 11s all day. My next car is going to be 4.6 powered, since I believe they have so much potential to be exploited. All my car modding life I've been looking for an engine like the 4.6 - absolutely phenominal parts from the factory, just waiting to be tweaked. Stock shortblocks from a cobra can put out 700-800hp with a turbo. An aluminum 4.6 block costs around $800, stock DOHC heads with a little home porting should flow over 350cfm for $500... stock cobra reciprocating assemblies are fairly cheap and can handle oodles of power. Think of it this way - the Ford SOHC 427 Cammer was the idolized motor of the 60's, with a stout stock block, cross bolted mains, forged internals, and overhead cams. It was the best motor to come out of detroit. Now, we have a DOHC headed, cross bolted(actually 2 extra bolts per main cap vs the 427SOHC), forged reciprocating assembly motor, with fuel injection, from the factory. I see the 4.6 as the new and improved 427 SOHC, but with 2.4L less displacement. The only downfall of the 4.6 - the small bore. Good for torque, not so much for high rev's. If Ford stuck with a 4+" bore, these motors would dominate.
My goal for my Mod motor car - 10's, N/A, in a ~2800lb car. Should take around 450hp to the wheels, so about 500hp at the crank. I really don't think it'll be that much of a struggle.

I'll be driveing alone next year, And I've already drove 14+ cars Ans some trucks, After experimenting with different types, i've diecided to get a 05 Mustang Saleen, Or a 06 Saleen.

My Wet Dream...

http://www.saleen.com/car_rotation.htm