pick one

want to know what would be a better car for the strip but still be a daliy driver you have 5g's to put in both
1: crx si 88-91

2: prelude 93 si not the h22 but a h23





thanks

Well, I'm partial to the preludes, but I guess if you want something good for the strip, go with the crx, and with 5 g's I think you can do an h22 swap. I guess for starters that's what I would do. For drag, the crx just has the advantage of being a lot lighter.

Unless the CRX has a B16 or B18 swap the Prelude is a lot better performance-wise.

Unless the CRX has a B16 or B18 swap the Prelude is a lot better performance-wise.

i agree

but i dont think he wants that, thank god. import racing is just now getting big where i live so lets not ruin it. I know u said its the h23 in the lude but y not the h22? If u could find one i would suggest that over anything especially with the VTEC its super nice. with the 5 g you could do a lot. such as start your way to a N/A car or with 5g you should get a pretty nice turbo setup and with the left over money ( assuming you do the turbo yourself ) you could build the internals enough to stand around 7-9 psi.

but i dont think he wants that, thank god. import racing is just now getting big where i live so lets not ruin it. I know u said its the h23 in the lude but y not the h22? If u could find one i would suggest that over anything especially with the VTEC its super nice. with the 5 g you could do a lot. such as start your way to a N/A car or with 5g you should get a pretty nice turbo setup and with the left over money ( assuming you do the turbo yourself ) you could build the internals enough to stand around 7-9 psi.

his 5g is not enough for moding to a reliable turbo setup. im sure you can make your car fast but the faster you go the faster you break your engine. unless you spend tons of money making it a reliable turbo engine.

his 5g is not enough for moding to a reliable turbo setup.

Search this website, there are people who have turboed their engines for WAY less than $5000. True they aren't boosting more than 8lbs but they are reliable.

Right, and like unknownluder said, to run around 7-9psi, I'm sure 5 grand would be plenty. You could even get a kit for 3 grand if you don't want to take the time to make your own.

thanks for the support but his title says it all

you can only gain a few horsepower on 7-9 psi pressure. doubt if you can even feel it.

you can only gain a few horsepower on 7-9 psi pressure. doubt if you can even feel it.


Are you kidding me? Where are you getting your information from? A general rule of thumb is that you gain around 10hp from each pound of boost. From 9 pounds of boost, you should see somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 extra hp, and a whole lot of torque, depending on your setup and what other things you have done. A conservative estimate on 9psi would be a 70hp gain. I don't know about you, but I'd say that that's a pretty noticable gain, and enough to knock quite a bit of time off the 1/4 mile time.

Well 5g allows you to do a crx for drag or street a little easier than a prelude would. Preludes have a higher resale value and would leave you with little left to play with. you could buy a decent body for under a G and have plenty left to play with.

A conservative estimate on 9psi would be a 70hp gain. I don't know about you, but I'd say that that's a pretty noticable gain, and enough to knock quite a bit of time off the 1/4 mile time.

And how did you come up with that numbers? Just because some ass out there said it, that doesnt mean you can really get that much horsepower per pound of boost.

everyone i have ever talked to ( including companies that manufacture turbo kits 0 have said that the general rule is 10 hp per pound of boost.

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Hey now, none of that. There will be no new people bashing here.

And how did you come up with that numbers? Just because some ass out there said it, that doesnt mean you can really get that much horsepower per pound of boost.

I said "A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB" which means it's something to go by, an estimate. And I wouldn't consider the several people on this forum and that I have talked to with dyno numbers on turbo'd cars that reflect that exact rule as "some ass." I didn't come up with the number, the dyno did, so argue that one.

Stupid sh*t like this:

you can only gain a few horsepower on 7-9 psi pressure. doubt if you can even feel it.

And how did you come up with that numbers? Just because some ass out there said it, that doesnt mean you can really get that much horsepower per pound of boost.

Deserves this:

Stock SR20DE vs same engine boosting 6.5 lbs. Almost exactly 10hp per pound:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/250018turbovsstock-med.JPG

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0210tur_bolton2/

Did you notice the price? $3595, well under $5000.

BTW this thread has gone WAY off topic.

There are mickey mouse dyno machines out there and they could be using them to show bullshit horsepower and torque readings so they can sell you their product.

wow you'll make up anything just so u dont look like an idiot huh

wow you'll make up anything just so u dont look like an idiot huh
its too late for that i think he's proven him self to be one:loser:

everyone i have ever talked to ( including companies that manufacture turbo kits 0 have said that the general rule is 10 hp per pound of boost.

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Thas wut i heard too..dun kno if its a fact

well thanks kinda guys

Sorry kingpinn, back to the original topic...If you're looking for a drag strip car, the CRX is lighter and I still say a better option if the only thing you're looking for is low times. Not with the stock engine, but do an engine swap and you'll get some pretty good runs, either a GS-R swap or an H22 if you don't mind doing a little fabrication, because I don't think It'll just drop right in.

Stupid sh*t like this:

Deserves this:

Stock SR20DE vs same engine boosting 6.5 lbs. Almost exactly 10hp per pound:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/250018turbovsstock-med.JPG



BTW your thread has gone WAY off topic and in the wrong forum. Nissan forum is next door.

Also the real idiots here are the people who believe and buy high performance parts and doesnt understand what they are doing.

hell yes. boost the h23 and definatly dont get a mustang, unless of course you want to drive down the street and to have people yell "wow thats a really cheap car that everyone has and is not original whatsoever unless you dump 15g of mods into its appearance alone!"

Also the real idiots here are the people who believe and buy high performance parts and doesnt understand what they are doing.

Keep trying, you're getting funnier! :iceslolan

^^^i second that

Not trying to flame you 94preludeJDM, 'cause I know you didn't come up with this info, but 10hp for each psi is not very accurate. Even if you're only taking 4 cyl motors into account. 9psi on a 15g turbo is alot different than 9psi on a T3 setup. Trust me, I had a 1.8T Jetta pushing a steady 16psi (w/ chip on stock turbo) and I'm damn sure I didn't gain 160hp. I was actually pushing 197whp and torque. Maybe that equation is for a specific turbo.

p.s. I know it's not a honda but it pretty much proves my point.

Not trying to flame you 94preludeJDM, 'cause I know you didn't come up with this info, but 10hp for each psi is not very accurate. Even if you're only taking 4 cyl motors into account. 9psi on a 15g turbo is alot different than 9psi on a T3 setup. Trust me, I had a 1.8T Jetta pushing a steady 16psi (w/ chip on stock turbo) and I'm damn sure I didn't gain 160hp. I was actually pushing 197whp and torque. Maybe that equation is for a specific turbo.

p.s. I know it's not a honda but it pretty much proves my point.

thats about 250hp crank. so steady 16psi boost on pump gas and stock injectors? just wondering...

Not trying to flame you 94preludeJDM, 'cause I know you didn't come up with this info, but 10hp for each psi is not very accurate. Even if you're only taking 4 cyl motors into account. 9psi on a 15g turbo is alot different than 9psi on a T3 setup. Trust me, I had a 1.8T Jetta pushing a steady 16psi (w/ chip on stock turbo) and I'm damn sure I didn't gain 160hp. I was actually pushing 197whp and torque. Maybe that equation is for a specific turbo.

p.s. I know it's not a honda but it pretty much proves my point.
You're right 10hp per psi is more than what most people get out of their turbos. I don't really know why the Nissan engine responded so well to the turbo - I bet some Nissan guy out there could tell you. It's not like no one's ever turboed a SR20DE before.

Your Jetta sounds like it was closer to 6-7hp per psi. That's what I hear most people get from their turbo's (non-intercooled).

Just don't tell me you're agreeing with the guy who said you won't even feel 7-9lbs of boost - if you are I'm wasting my time even responding to you.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying OonePrelude, but like I said, it's a general rule, just an estimate. And also, what would that engine be pushing without the turbo? The 2000 had I think 7psi stock, and 150hp, so without the turbo what would it be...100hp? so now I figure 197whp should give around 240hp to the crank. That comes out to almost 9hp per psi...pretty close. You didn't add 16psi, you went from 7psi to 16psi, so you added 9, assuming it wasn't a newer model. 240-150= 90.

Anywho, does anyone agree with me that kingpinn should get a CRX and start off with an engine swap?

for strip yea i agree swap either a b16 and turbo the hell out of it or h22a4 and do wateer to it.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying OonePrelude, but like I said, it's a general rule, just an estimate. And also, what would that engine be pushing without the turbo? The 2000 had I think 7psi stock, and 150hp, so without the turbo what would it be...100hp? so now I figure 197whp should give around 240hp to the crank. That comes out to almost 9hp per psi...pretty close. You didn't add 16psi, you went from 7psi to 16psi, so you added 9, assuming it wasn't a newer model. 240-150= 90.

Anywho, does anyone agree with me that kingpinn should get a CRX and start off with an engine swap?

Ha ha I used the same math to come up with 6-7 hp per psi for his Jetta because I was generous and gave a 1.8t without the turbo about 140 hp instead of 100 hp.

Hard for me to decide about a b16 CRX or the Prelude - I own both of those cars and they've both got good points, and with equal mods they're both about the same speed (although my CRX is more modded than my Prelude, so it's faster).

thats about 250hp crank. so steady 16psi boost on pump gas and stock injectors? just wondering...

Yes, stock injectors, stock FPR, 93OCT. I had a chip, turbo inlet pipe, upgraded diverter valve, 2 1/4" DP, 2 3/4" exhaust. 1.8T's are potent cars, they just cost too much to maintain with all the electrical problems they have and the CEL is pretty much a perminate fixture on the dash.

You're right 10hp per psi is more than what most people get out of their turbos. I don't really know why the Nissan engine responded so well to the turbo - I bet some Nissan guy out there could tell you. It's not like no one's ever turboed a SR20DE before.

Your Jetta sounds like it was closer to 6-7hp per psi. That's what I hear most people get from their turbo's (non-intercooled).

Just don't tell me you're agreeing with the guy who said you won't even feel 7-9lbs of boost - if you are I'm wasting my time even responding to you.
I'm not agreeing with the guy. I know adding a turbo kit pushing 9 psi on an NA engine is definately gonna be noticable. The '00 1.8T had 150hp stock. I know VW use to make NA 1.8's and they were about 115hp. I don't think a 1.8T without the "T" would even make 100hp due to the low compression.
94PreludeJDM][/b]Yeah, I understand what you're saying OonePrelude, but like I said, it's a general rule, just an estimate. And also, what would that engine be pushing without the turbo? The 2000 had I think 7psi stock, and 150hp, so without the turbo what would it be...100hp? so now I figure 197whp should give around 240hp to the crank. That comes out to almost 9hp per psi...pretty close. You didn't add 16psi, you went from 7psi to 16psi, so you added 9, assuming it wasn't a newer model. 240-150= 90.
That's a good point. It is close to 10hp per psi. I feel stupid now. :redface: :banghead: I guess throwing on a big T4 turbo would get you more horsepower with the same psi. It would just suck on a daily driven car. So maybe 10hp per psi is what is best for a dialy driven car. Learn somethin' new everyday.

want to know what would be a better car for the strip but still be a daliy driver you have 5g's to put in both
1: crx si 88-91

2: prelude 93 si not the h22 but a h23





thanks

I'd go with the prelude. It's a comfortable car for daily driving and you won't have to go insane on the motor to go fast so you'll still be able to live with it on a daily bases.

Of course you could always just make the CRX strictly a drag car. It's much lighter than the prelude and there's more of an aftermarket for it. Then you could just use the Prelude as a daily driver.

you can only gain a few horsepower on 7-9 psi pressure. doubt if you can even feel it.

I used to have an 89 turbo supra 230hp. compared my car before with a non-turbo 89 supra 200hp and my turbo supra was a lot faster. both were stock and only 30hp difference. but on acceleration and speed, you can really feel the difference.

by the way, i am not siding on Gohan Ryu. actually i think he is a dick and he is trying hard to mess with you.

yeah and ive seen aftermarket turbo kits which boost arround 6-8 and claim about 75 horses safely on a stock engine, check it out on turbokits.com

by the way, i am not siding on Gohan Ryu. actually i think he is a dick and he is trying hard to mess with you.

Yes I am a dick, but I'm not sure how I feel about being dissed by a transvestite...should I actually give a shit about your opinion? :grinno:

It's hard to take someone who looks like this seriously...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/250018scary.JPG


You gotta admit, that's scary.

No, I'm not trying hard to mess with anyone. Just stating facts.

yeah and ive seen aftermarket turbo kits which boost arround 6-8 and claim about 75 horses safely on a stock engine, check it out on turbokits.com


Yes that is true. Strange you should mention that site, the guy who runs that site/business is the guy I bought my lude from. He's a great guy, so I don't think he'd post fake numbers up. When I bought the car he told me he had planned on turboing it, and he does all his own work, so he knows what he's talking about.

Yes that is true. Strange you should mention that site, the guy who runs that site/business is the guy I bought my lude from. He's a great guy, so I don't think he'd post fake numbers up. When I bought the car he told me he had planned on turboing it, and he does all his own work, so he knows what he's talking about.

actually i think i mightve ended up at that website from a post you made :)

yeah and ive seen aftermarket turbo kits which boost arround 6-8 and claim about 75 horses safely on a stock engine, check it out on turbokits.com

are you talking about this?

http://turbokits.com/images/dyno_h22a_turbo_kit.jpg

yep, no doubt...bullshit horsepower and torque readings. they show fake numbers so they can sell you some mickey mouse turbo kits.


http://turbokits.com/images/fmax_turbo_kit.jpg

you can be a skeptic if you want, but several more people on this forum have said that guy is legit...

predude...all I can say is show me otherwise, the only thing you've got is your word. We've all backed up our argument, maybe if you did the same you'd gain a little respect...if that's even possible at this point.

predude... We've all backed up our argument, maybe if you did the same you'd gain a little respect..

I havent seen anything that really backed up your argument...

Maybe you'll get my respect if you can show me pics of your own mods with dyno graphs and specs.

Really? Because I'd say the dyno sheet pretty much backed up all of our arguments...and feel free to ask here or in the turbo forum about turboed H22's. And I never said I had a turbo, so I have nothing to show you. As if right now, the only engine mods I have are a JDM H22A engine swap, AEM CAI, a high flow fuel pump. When I get more mods this summer and get it dyno tuned, I'll be sure to post it, just for you.

As if right now, the only engine mods I have are AEM CAI, a high flow fuel pump. When I get more mods this summer and get it dyno tuned, I'll be sure to post it.


Wow, you got some real mickey mouse mods there my friend. I guess youre really proud of those mods huh? And so you gonna show more mickey mouse mods this summer just for predude? what about us and rest of the automotive forum members?

are you talking about this?

http://turbokits.com/images/dyno_h22a_turbo_kit.jpg

yep, no doubt...bullshit horsepower and torque readings. they show fake numbers so they can sell you some mickey mouse turbo kits.


http://turbokits.com/images/fmax_turbo_kit.jpg

I noticed the Prelude only made 143.8 whp. Did the guy have 20" chrome wheels or something? Stock Preludes dyno at around 165whp.

There are mickey mouse dyno machines out there and they could be using them to show bullshit horsepower and torque readings so they can sell you their product.

oh right have you seen the new scooby-doo one, of course you could feel 6-7 lbs it would be like A kick in the balls. what were you driving when you thought that a 26 wheel semi trailer. lol

oh right have you seen the new scooby-doo one, of course you could feel 6-7 lbs it would be like A kick in the balls. what were you driving when you thought that a 26 wheel semi trailer. lol


This thread is just too gay.