question about GT stangs

i dont know much about domestics...but a buddy of mine claims to be pushin 400+ rwhp N/A and he has an 02 GT mustang he's always talking about yea ive got so much power and i eat gas like hell..but seeing how his gas is so bad he can make it from one side of town to the other and back on just about a half tank...which a good 100-120 miles...i know the more HP you get the more your gas is robbed...and ive seen under the hood..looks COMPLETELY STOCK..he says its all internals..so my question is..do you think he really has 400rwhp and what is the most HP you can pump out of a mustang without stroke and bore and forced induction..i would really appreciate it if you helped me out

what town are you from buddy???120miles from the edge of town and back sounds pretty freakin big???..

I think its fairly possible to be pushing 400HP out of a N/A engine..What kind of internal mods does he have..Its kinda hard to imagine unless hes running Nitrous and when it comes to internals i think of forged pistons....Cam swaps...and port and polish

im from jacksonville florida..he wont tell anyone what he has under the hood..its like hes scared to say it..all he says is..ive spent about 30 grand on it...and ive seen a BONE STOCK dodge srt-4 whoop his ass by more than a couple cars...so im really skeptical about 400 plus.....oh yea..he has "19" inch saleen rims..but the tires say 18 inch..he also claims..its a "racing secret" thats BS i know that...i mean if his motor was bored and stroked and had new pistons rockers cams..the whole 9 yards..i might believe it..but i really do doubt it and no hes not running nitrous..really the only thing you can tell is aftermarket would be the saleen body kit and saleen rims...oh yea..and gay purple neons

im from jacksonville florida..he wont tell anyone what he has under the hood..its like hes scared to say it..all he says is..ive spent about 30 grand on it...and ive seen a BONE STOCK dodge srt-4 whoop his ass by more than a couple cars...so im really skeptical about 400 plus.....oh yea..he has "19" inch saleen rims..but the tires say 18 inch..he also claims..its a "racing secret" thats BS i know that...i mean if his motor was bored and stroked and had new pistons rockers cams..the whole 9 yards..i might believe it..but i really do doubt it and no hes not running nitrous..really the only thing you can tell is aftermarket would be the saleen body kit and saleen rims...oh yea..and gay purple neons


A brand spanking new 03/04 Cobra Motor is $14K

yea but thats supercharged...the gt isnt

Simply, no. I have never seen a N/A mustang with 400+hp. The most I've seen was around 320rwhp...and that was with pretty much every trick in the book. Now...if he gets beat by stock SRT-4s theres no way he has 400rwhp. 400rwhp is mid to high 11s territory. Whereas a stock SRT-4 runs anywhere from mid 13s to low 14s. And detroit muscle you stupid piece of shit, if it has nitrous it's not N/A...nitrous oxide is a power adder. An N/A 4.6 would consist of cams/heads/intake/bolt ons/and whatever other 'secrets' you might have. So yeah..your friend is full of shit. To have 400rwhp+ in a modular motor..you need a supercharger/turbo.

Your friend is full of it period. Theres no way a mod motor is pushing 400rwhp without being supercharged or nitrous fed or turbo'd simply cannot happen with bolt on's alone.

thanks to all of you..i appreciate it

Yeah i think hes lying.

I know hes lying.

hahahah...yea he was bragging about his car again..hes like yea i smoked this and that...im like y0 i just watched you lose wtf are you talking about

Bad thing is he probly thinks he has 400 hp. Doesn't even know what a real 400 hp is.

I lost count of the "400 HP" chevies, hondas, and other imports that my traction-impaired ~300 HP Cobra has whupped the snot out of...

he thinks his car is the shit because he has a saleen kit on it

I believe the 4.6 can get 400+hp N/A... give a little stroke, spin it a bit, it can do it. It would definately have a very noticeable lumpy idle. The heads flow enough, the rotating assembly is stout enough; a good intake, exhaust, and cams should do it. How about this - take a peek under his hood and tell us what color fuel injectors he has... That should tell us how much fuel he can possibly put into the motor. Sounds like he's full of shit to me though.

I've never seen one break 370rwhp N/A. It may not be impossible..but pretty damn hard.

I just don't think anyone has really tried. It wouldn't make a great street motor, it'd be a bit too lumpy. But there are plenty of people who've broken 400rwhp with a n/a 302. Considering the massive improvements the 4.6 has over the 5.0, and only 20ci lost, it should have no difficulty getting there. I'm sure they're out there, just probably in the form of drag-only cars.

You know...I think you got something there. It's probably very possible..but not desireable or practical enough to actually see/hear about. You can do the same exact thing much more efficiently with a blower.

ive seen under the hood...i dont know what a v8 motor looks like with all that crap and headers and all that good stuff...but from what i know about imports it looked all stock...straight down to the intake box...he claims that its not a stock intake its a "racing" intake...sounds like bs to me though

but i know with that much power his gas would be insanely crappy...you cant smell gas burning up as you would with bigger injectors..the idle is quiet...and with that car he is still getting i know for a fact at least 20-25 miles a gallon...just from riding around with him i know it because of the distance we go

ive seen under the hood...i dont know what a v8 motor looks like with all that crap and headers and all that good stuff...but from what i know about imports it looked all stock...straight down to the intake box...he claims that its not a stock intake its a "racing" intake...sounds like bs to me though


Does it look like this

http://www.stangcountry.com/images/silverstangs/engine1stock.jpg

but i know with that much power his gas would be insanely crappy...you cant smell gas burning up as you would with bigger injectors..the idle is quiet...and with that car he is still getting i know for a fact at least 20-25 miles a gallon...just from riding around with him i know it because of the distance we go


Bigger injectors does not mean you can smell gas....

As far as idle........ he would have a lopy sound if he was pushing anywhere near 350+ NA out of a GT engine because at that point, you have a set of cams, and some porting and polishing work done.

BTW if you look at that picture I posted, if he has that upper intake on (where the horse is) then he is beyond bullshitting because that won't support the 400hp NA that he is claiming.
Also look at the color of his injectors..... that will tell us what size they are. Those are the pink things you see. Better yet, if you can get a few picture of his engine and exhaust that will tell all.




What car do you drive BTW?


I drive a mustang:)
http://www.stangcountry.com/images/silverstangs/4silverstangs.jpg

Are those all yours!? Those are some nice looking mustangs!

if you live in jacksonville then you sould know more than one person with a mustang GT get someone else with a stock GT to race him and if it is close than you know its bs

silver...that intake is looks like his...but i dont know if its chromed...i drive a ralliart (mitsubishi)

my buddy with an eclipse has 760cc injectors and you can smell that crap a mile away...i thought that was why you could smell it

He needs to get it tuned right. There are limits to how big you can go without running rich at idle, but 450hp on a v8 is no problem. I'm going to be running around 650hp and there still shouldn't be a problem, although I'm very close to the lower limits of the injectors.

wow..i just noticed...mustang motors are really cramped

Are those all yours!? Those are some nice looking mustangs!


I have 3 mustangs, but only two of mine are there. the one on the far left is my friends, and the one in the middle of the driveway is my brothers.

We are down to 4 mustangs from a maximum of 8. But that might change soon, I want a new GT or build me up another Fox.

Simply, no. I have never seen a N/A mustang with 400+hp. The most I've seen was around 320rwhp...and that was with pretty much every trick in the book. Now...if he gets beat by stock SRT-4s theres no way he has 400rwhp. 400rwhp is mid to high 11s territory. Whereas a stock SRT-4 runs anywhere from mid 13s to low 14s. And detroit muscle you stupid piece of shit, if it has nitrous it's not N/A...nitrous oxide is a power adder. An N/A 4.6 would consist of cams/heads/intake/bolt ons/and whatever other 'secrets' you might have. So yeah..your friend is full of shit. To have 400rwhp+ in a modular motor..you need a supercharger/turbo.


Yeah... this is a good one....

I drive a 89 GT with full exhaust, and 3.73's. Few other mods, that are not really mentionable... Ran a 13.60 on street tires last summer. I still get beat up by these little piece of shit Srt4 and STI's. Pisses me off to no end..... My car hit the 235 mark on a dyno, and there is no way this guy can be pushing anything near 400.... if he was near 400, he would be pulling on these turbocharged 4 bangers hard...

well hey theres always one way to get back at those srt-4 guys... its still a neon. no matter how fast it is u cant change that. i really pissed a guy off i know that has one by sayin that lol.

Pulling on them? He'd be pulling hard AWAY from them. 235hp..13.6...street tires..whats your trap speed? And STis aren't exactly 'pieces of shit'. They're $36,000 AWD 300hp/300tq beasts. They can beat pretty much anything on the 1/8th.

[QUOTE]235hp..13.6...street tires..whats your trap speed?

not sure what ur thinkin but i think ur bein skeptical? i think he was sayin 235 rwhp if that makes it more believeable to u. i wouldnt really know myself if thats realistic.

Well, for one..I'm wondering where he's getting 235hp out of full exhaust and some bolt ons that aren't worth mentioning. Stock, his car would probably run a 15. I don't see him cutting 1.5 seconds with 3.73s and some exhaust mods. I'm getting 4.10s/full exhaust/sticky tires and HOPING for 13.6 in a car I ran 14.2 with. So I'm being optimistic in shaving 6 tenths.

well someone on another thread said those things ran around a 14.2 stock

thats about the fastest they could get stock anyway... so its prolly slower than that by a lil of course

89 foxbodys? No way.

I'm stock and I SLAUGHTER lightly modded/stock foxbodies.

oh well thats second hand info i dont know how true it is.... notice i said somone on another thread

Don't forget power vs weight. An srt-4 is only 2900 lbs. vs a mustang at about 3500 lbs.

And as far as an 02 GT slaughtering mildly modified fox bodies. The factory E7TE simply choke off the performance. Change out the heads and its a whole new ballgame.

Yeah..but then it's drastically modified.

I'm stock and I SLAUGHTER lightly modded/stock foxbodies.


Lightly modded/stock foxbodies are mid14~low 15 second cars.......

Lightly modded being intake and exhaust I am assuming.........

Stock Foxbodies have the wrong gearing, which kills thier performace. Slaughtering a stock foxbody is not difficult.

I wasn't trying to say it was difficult...he said they ran 14.2 stock..which is what I run. And I slaughter them. Thus, they can't be running my times or then I wouldn't be slaughtering them.

I wasn't trying to say it was difficult...he said they ran 14.2 stock..which is what I run. And I slaughter them. Thus, they can't be running my times or then I wouldn't be slaughtering them.


Oh GOtcha.......!!!!!!!!!

i kno the person that started this thread and the guy with the mustang as well

the engine looks completely stock, he tells everybody that its a saleen mustang but he has the GT badges still on the car, and wouldn't 400+ rwhp make the car incredible difficult to drive with no problems like screeching tires, and he had mad problems driving my 240sx i have a sr20det in it pushing about 220rwhp he couldnt handle it, oh ya he can use first gear in the rain this is florida im talking about with hurricane seasons

the idle is pretty damn smooth and stable i've seen my uncles honda it has mad mods and I've seen it run a 8 second quarter his idle is twitchy moves up and down [real rough]

oh ya this is just something else i wanted to add to this post the guy wants to turbo the mustang, he wants to use a single turbo setup on the engine, and mount the turbo towards the front of the bay where the battery is located
problems i have with his car and idea on it
1. wouldnt that create major lag because of length of manifold/piping
2. that way it would connect would need to be massive custom unless he was going to use only one bank [superchargers and blower would be much better ideas Correct?]
3 he claims power gains from building up the bottom end [forged internals don't add power] only stroking/boring/balancing would correct? [those all add destinct sounds and feelings to the car]
4. also i have never seen an engine that has been upgraded as much as he claims look so stock, all wires and tubes in correct places, no zipties or anything, i don't personally know anyone that good
5. i know for a fact that he has a tuned ecu and a controller to change programs, but when he does it sounds like a can of BBs with all the detonations
6. he will not race me, refuses to, he'll find all these people to race me but won't do it himself, if your that cocky and have that much power wouldn't you show it off and race damn near anything
7. he called it a 45grand car to someone that almost raer ended him, i cant figure out where that number came from the GT isn't worth any where near that much [didnt ford make it that way a fairly cheap sports car] and the saleens aren't those in like the 50 range
8. wouldn't all those mods make his car get terrible gas milage, i've seen it make across town on less then than a 1/4 tank [jacksonville is known for being one of the biggest cities in the US land area wise]

hmmmm... 400rwhp but not blown, supercharged,or turbo'd. Thats WAY over 1hp/ci ... LMAO
I bet he runs on pump gas too.

Cool, it's always cool to have friends.

the engine looks completely stock,

You can't tell a stroker from the outside of a engine.

he tells everybody that its a saleen mustang but he has the GT badges still on the car,

Some saleens have GT badges on them, mainly the plain S281.

and wouldn't 400+ rwhp make the car incredible difficult to drive with no problems like screeching tires,

No it would not made a Mustang incredible difficult in a mustang. The 03/04 Cobra Mades 390 at the crank, and is very easy to drive. Vetts and vipers exceed 400hp, and lot of barely modded 03/04 Cobra's are on the road pushing 500~600hp while being completely driveable. As far as screeching tires, I could do that easily with a V6 mustang, gears and t-loc.

and he had mad problems driving my 240sx i have a sr20det in it pushing about 220rwhp he couldnt handle it,

A 240sx does not weigh the same as a Mustang, your 240sx is a much lighter car, and the suspension is not designed for the torque load than a mustang suspension can handle.

oh ya he can use first gear in the rain this is florida im talking about with hurricane seasons

Just because it rains heavy, does not mean you can't use first gear, even with 500hp and 4.30 gear ratio. Hurricane season does not mean much, it does not make the water and the road act anydifferently.


the idle is pretty damn smooth and stable i've seen my uncles honda it has mad mods and I've seen it run a 8 second quarter his idle is twitchy moves up and down [real rough]

The smoothness does not mean a thing, the ruff idle is usually due to a bad tune, or imbalance, or wild cam. Also little 4 banger Honda engines are not Ford V8's, they will idle and act differently. How fast it goes down the 1/4mile also does not determine how well and smooth a engine is.


oh ya this is just something else i wanted to add to this post the guy wants to turbo the mustang, he wants to use a single turbo setup on the engine, and mount the turbo towards the front of the bay where the battery is located

That's not to umcommong now, lots of mustangs are on the road with single and twin turbo setups. What he wants is very feasable. ALso putting the battery in the truck is also very common. ALot of 1/4 mile junkies do that for weight transfer. Other people that own Vortech blowers have to move the battery to the trunk because of the water/heat exchanger.

1. wouldnt that create major lag because of length of manifold/piping

No, or very very little.


2. that way it would connect would need to be massive custom unless he was going to use only one bank [superchargers and blower would be much better ideas Correct?]

Most mustang turbo kits are custom, but I have seen single turbo setups on mustangs, with both exhaust pipes running to the turbo, and it was not complicated.

3 he claims power gains from building up the bottom end [forged internals don't add power] only stroking/boring/balancing would correct? [those all add destinct sounds and feelings to the car]

If he raised the compression it would add power without stroking it. Also, if he is using lighter weight components, he can gain power or more RPS's.

4. also i have never seen an engine that has been upgraded as much as he claims look so stock, all wires and tubes in correct places, no zipties or anything, i don't personally know anyone that good

If you can visually see and tell if someone has stroked a engine from 4.6L to 5.1L's or just raised or lowered the compression with out tearing the engine apart, then your superman. Stroking and replaceing the rotating assembly is a very stealthy mod. Only the sound would give it away. Also the wiring harnesses plug and unplug. There is no need to cut or use zip-ties.


5. i know for a fact that he has a tuned ecu and a controller to change programs, but when he does it sounds like a can of BBs with all the detonations
That's gonna hurt the engine.....


6. he will not race me, refuses to, he'll find all these people to race me but won't do it himself, if your that cocky and have that much power wouldn't you show it off and race damn near anything

I don't show off my car and race damn near anything. There is a time and place for that, which is usually at the track. OFfer to pay his way.. if he does not accept, then you will know that he is telling you BS, or too scared.


7. he called it a 45grand car to someone that almost raer ended him, i cant figure out where that number came from the GT isn't worth any where near that much

If he modded the car, and spent $5k on a engine, then suspension and so forth, he maybe basing that ont the price of those mods he has.


8. wouldn't all those mods make his car get terrible gas milage, i've seen it make across town on less then than a 1/4 tank [jacksonville is known for being one of the biggest cities in the US land area wise]

Not nessecarly, it would depend on his tune and driving habits.




Now I personally don't believe him, but again I am not looking at his car and testing it. But 400rwhp is not possible without using some exoctic fuel, giggle gas or blower/turbo setup. If anything, stroked 4.6L to 5.1 might put down between 300~350rwhp.

Muscle Mustangs did a build-up of a 4.6 modular N/A with 490fwhp.

490 hp to the front wheels...... that must have been quite a project. Thanks for bringing up an ancient thread.

490 hp to the front wheels...... that must have been quite a project. Thanks for bringing up an ancient thread.

i agree, this thread is prehistoric, but i think he meant fly-wheel horse power

Simply, no. I have never seen a N/A mustang with 400+hp. The most I've seen was around 320rwhp...and that was with pretty much every trick in the book. Now...if he gets beat by stock SRT-4s theres no way he has 400rwhp. 400rwhp is mid to high 11s territory. Whereas a stock SRT-4 runs anywhere from mid 13s to low 14s. And detroit muscle you stupid piece of shit, if it has nitrous it's not N/A...nitrous oxide is a power adder. An N/A 4.6 would consist of cams/heads/intake/bolt ons/and whatever other 'secrets' you might have. So yeah..your friend is full of shit. To have 400rwhp+ in a modular motor..you need a supercharger/turbo. It's a 92 right? a 92 is a 5.0 not a modular 4.6! A friend of mine owns a shop and does nothing but mustangs. He has only seen one N/A 5.0 over 400rwhp it was around 430rwhp I believe. I think it was bored and stroked to 347. and probably had every concivable thing done to it. Im sure the car would have to have a pretty radical cam. does it sound like it runs like complete shit when its idling?

dude, look at the dates on this thread. its ancient. dampachi isnt even on the boards anymore, hes banned. read teh rules, dont reply to anything 3 months old or older.

even if he had all internal performance parts its still pretty hard to 400 hp at the rear wheels the engine itself would have to like 500hp to 400 hp to the wheels am i right

basically

Why hasnt this thread died... we need a mod.

Why would he be scared to tell his friend what he has for mods? If anything, he'd want to brag about them.