Which spring should have more coils?
Fightin'Irish
03-14-2002, 03:05 AM
Does anybody know which spring should have more coils (stronger) - the front or the rear? I recently got a set of lowering springs fitted and even though the front is lowered, the rear is sitting alot further down. I'm wondering if they were put in back to front? The rear spring has about 7/8 coils all evenly spaced, whereas the front has about 13 coils with the coils at the bottom evenly spaced and at then closer at the top? I cant tell from looking at them which is longer but I would think the front?
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Goosse
03-14-2002, 04:16 AM
I have the same problem. I also have the idea the front is sitting higher then the rear (but I haven't counted the coils yet). How do you measure that your car is higher in the front, do you measure the wheel gap or the distance from the ground to the bumper? Cause if you measure the wheelgap, your front fenders/wheel wels are bigger then your rear ones, so you can have a perfect level drop, but it seems that your front is higher because of a bigger wheelgap.
Fightin'Irish
03-14-2002, 04:23 AM
How do you measure that your car is higher in the front
I haven't measured yet - I'm just going by eye :)
Maybe it's just that the rear looks so low that it makes the front look high? To me, the stronger spring (more coils) should be in the front (which it is in mine) as the front of the car is heavier - but it just doesn't look even!
I haven't measured yet - I'm just going by eye :)
Maybe it's just that the rear looks so low that it makes the front look high? To me, the stronger spring (more coils) should be in the front (which it is in mine) as the front of the car is heavier - but it just doesn't look even!
Fightin'Irish
03-14-2002, 06:25 AM
I just rang the Cobra guy's in Holland - very nice people and very helpful!
They reckon that the springs in the front are for a Vti/Si model which has a heavier engine. They told me to cut one or two coils off and that this would not affect the tension of the spring. They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that.
They reckon that the springs in the front are for a Vti/Si model which has a heavier engine. They told me to cut one or two coils off and that this would not affect the tension of the spring. They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that.
Goosse
03-14-2002, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that.
Is this for every spring, or just for the Cobra's?
They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that.
Is this for every spring, or just for the Cobra's?
Fightin'Irish
03-14-2002, 10:10 AM
Is this for every spring, or just for the Cobra's?
I'm not too sure - but I would guess that if your springs have 4 or 5 coils sitting on top of each other, then it would be safe enough to remove one or two ;)
I'm not too sure - but I would guess that if your springs have 4 or 5 coils sitting on top of each other, then it would be safe enough to remove one or two ;)
Veetec
03-14-2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
I just rang the Cobra guy's in Holland - very nice people and very helpful!
They reckon that the springs in the front are for a Vti/Si model which has a heavier engine. They told me to cut one or two coils off and that this would not affect the tension of the spring. They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that. :eek: Please donīt cut the springs!!! Send them back and try to get the right ones for your car. Maybe the tension wonīt be affected but the spring rates and stuff like that will be different than before. Iīve never heard that cutting springs is a good idea though.
I just rang the Cobra guy's in Holland - very nice people and very helpful!
They reckon that the springs in the front are for a Vti/Si model which has a heavier engine. They told me to cut one or two coils off and that this would not affect the tension of the spring. They said I could easily take 40mm off the spring with no problems :D , as the coils on the top of the spring (very close to each other) are only there for the ride height and don't have any function other than that. :eek: Please donīt cut the springs!!! Send them back and try to get the right ones for your car. Maybe the tension wonīt be affected but the spring rates and stuff like that will be different than before. Iīve never heard that cutting springs is a good idea though.
Kohhal
03-14-2002, 11:54 AM
You're asking for trouble cutting springs, anyone on here will tell you that it's definetly a bad idea. It can and probably will have serious effects on the ride of your car. Send them back and get the correct ones, it's better to do it right, no regrets then.
Predator
03-17-2002, 11:26 AM
It is a real bad idea to just cut a little! The cars behavior will change drastically .If all went fine then it wont affect the cars behavior very strong but if it goes the way I know ull drive into a corner and loose completely control over ur car- so just dont do this, the risk is much too high!!
Fightin'Irish
03-19-2002, 09:19 AM
Send them back and get the correct ones
They are the correct ones!
What they told me is that they only make one type of spring for a Civic, whether it's a Vtec or not. There are 4 coils at the top that are 'closed' when fitted. These only act as a 'spacer' to give the ride height. They told me I can remove one or two coils (to a max of 40mm) and that this will not affect the load or the tension of the spring.
They are the correct ones!
What they told me is that they only make one type of spring for a Civic, whether it's a Vtec or not. There are 4 coils at the top that are 'closed' when fitted. These only act as a 'spacer' to give the ride height. They told me I can remove one or two coils (to a max of 40mm) and that this will not affect the load or the tension of the spring.
Veetec
03-19-2002, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
They are the correct ones!
What they told me is that they only make one type of spring for a Civic, whether it's a Vtec or not. There are 4 coils at the top that are 'closed' when fitted. These only act as a 'spacer' to give the ride height. They told me I can remove one or two coils (to a max of 40mm) and that this will not affect the load or the tension of the spring. Please believe us and DONīT cut the springs! Try to get your money back and then buy some brand springs like H&R, Eibach, Neuspeed, ......
They are the correct ones!
What they told me is that they only make one type of spring for a Civic, whether it's a Vtec or not. There are 4 coils at the top that are 'closed' when fitted. These only act as a 'spacer' to give the ride height. They told me I can remove one or two coils (to a max of 40mm) and that this will not affect the load or the tension of the spring. Please believe us and DONīT cut the springs! Try to get your money back and then buy some brand springs like H&R, Eibach, Neuspeed, ......
Predator
03-20-2002, 04:07 AM
Well if there is no other way then cutting this springs just send them back and get other springs!!!!! BUT DONT CUT THEM!!!!!
Fightin'Irish
03-20-2002, 04:40 AM
Right - so I'm not going to cut them!
These are installed in my car already, so I doubt they will take them back (markings from spring compresser etc.). Someone on another forum reccomended using spring clamps? I'm not too sure about this either - any ideas?
The springs are only going to be in my car for a while (until I have enough money to buy coil-overs), so I might just live with it for a while :confused:
These are installed in my car already, so I doubt they will take them back (markings from spring compresser etc.). Someone on another forum reccomended using spring clamps? I'm not too sure about this either - any ideas?
The springs are only going to be in my car for a while (until I have enough money to buy coil-overs), so I might just live with it for a while :confused:
Veetec
03-20-2002, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
These are installed in my car already, so I doubt they will take them back (markings from spring compresser etc.). I doubt that too but I would try it anyways because at the end itīs their "fault" and not yours! Or try to sell them again and get new ones then. This stuff would really piss me off!! :mad:
These are installed in my car already, so I doubt they will take them back (markings from spring compresser etc.). I doubt that too but I would try it anyways because at the end itīs their "fault" and not yours! Or try to sell them again and get new ones then. This stuff would really piss me off!! :mad:
Fightin'Irish
03-20-2002, 08:55 AM
This stuff would really piss me off!!
Tell me about it!
By the way, does anyone know if the rear springs in a Coupe are the same as the rear springs in a Hatch?
Also, is it possible that the suspension in my car (96) is actually a '95 spec suspension? Or are they the same?
Tell me about it!
By the way, does anyone know if the rear springs in a Coupe are the same as the rear springs in a Hatch?
Also, is it possible that the suspension in my car (96) is actually a '95 spec suspension? Or are they the same?
00'Civic SR
03-20-2002, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
By the way, does anyone know if the rear springs in a Coupe are the same as the rear springs in a Hatch?
Also, is it possible that the suspension in my car (96) is actually a '95 spec suspension? Or are they the same?
The front suspension for all civic's (excluding Wagon) from 92-00 is the same. Honda changed the rear suspenion for the civic from 92-95 to a different one for 96-00.
Could explain the difference in height for your car but I doubt it.
By the way, does anyone know if the rear springs in a Coupe are the same as the rear springs in a Hatch?
Also, is it possible that the suspension in my car (96) is actually a '95 spec suspension? Or are they the same?
The front suspension for all civic's (excluding Wagon) from 92-00 is the same. Honda changed the rear suspenion for the civic from 92-95 to a different one for 96-00.
Could explain the difference in height for your car but I doubt it.
Fightin'Irish
03-21-2002, 03:04 AM
Could explain the difference in height for your car but I doubt it
Yea, I don't think so either!
Do you know if the rear springs for a Hatch/Coupe/Saloon are the same?
Yea, I don't think so either!
Do you know if the rear springs for a Hatch/Coupe/Saloon are the same?
00'Civic SR
03-21-2002, 07:21 AM
Not sure if the springs are different but I checked the difference in weight between the two. The hatchback is approx 1022kgs and the coupe is approx 1026kgs. Not much difference there. The 1.6 SOHC VTEC coupe is 1126kgs. If the springs where made for this car it could account for the difference in height.
Fightin'Irish
03-21-2002, 09:53 AM
The 1.6 SOHC VTEC coupe is 1126kgs. If the springs where made for this car it could account for the difference in height.
Yea, I think this is the reason alright :(
Oh well - I'll just have to attach a few concrete blocks to the engine bay :D
Yea, I think this is the reason alright :(
Oh well - I'll just have to attach a few concrete blocks to the engine bay :D
Predator
03-21-2002, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Fightin'Irish
Do you know if the rear springs for a Hatch/Coupe/Saloon are the same?
The springs are different ones!
Do you know if the rear springs for a Hatch/Coupe/Saloon are the same?
The springs are different ones!
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