Speeds

I have been looking into an accord, and i have wanted a prelude mainly but they arent really around in my area. I found a 92 accord and i was wondering what are the highest speeds you guys have had yours up to. Im into racing so its kinda of a biggy for me.

i went 115 in mines on a slight up hill. most hondas get speed limiters to prevent going over the speed rating of the tire. to tell ya the truth an accord is a waste of ur time. he f22 motor is crap and very under tuned and hard to find parts for. Its only good for swapping the h22 in and turning it into a sleeper. you'll run about high to mid 14s with that alone.

most hondas get speed limiters
Wrong.

Got my 90 EX up to 128 a few times, but it always took forever...these are not stock racing cars without engine swaps or forced induction you will always be on the slower side of the spectrum.

the f22 motor is crap and very under tuned

wrong again! The F22 can be an excellent building block if ya wanna do it cheap, and keep the power to an extent. I know i have gotten my 95 EX with the F22b1 up to 130 numerous times, and that bitch now at 186k is still running strong as shit! I have been on debating on building another f22 or going h22 only b/c there is a huge price difference b/t the two.

wrong again! The F22 can be an excellent building block if ya wanna do it cheap, and keep the power to an extent. I know i have gotten my 95 EX with the F22b1 up to 130 numerous times, and that bitch now at 186k is still running strong as shit! I have been on debating on building another f22 or going h22 only b/c there is a huge price difference b/t the two.

ok yes its has a good block and blah blah blah but it aint making power like an H22. F22 is a dead end dream. Not much parts are even made for this engine. Its good for boost cuz it has strong cylinders unlike H22s. all honda engines have there good attributes but doesnt mean they are tuned well. f22s have weak compression and a poor flowing intake manifold or head or maybe both.

Got my 90 EX up to 128 a few times, but it always took forever...these are not stock racing cars without engine swaps or forced induction you will always be on the slower side of the spectrum.

Some ppl say the speed limiters dont exist in the EX model accords and i think the SEs too... cant remember. thats why a few hardcore accord owners are swapping ECUs if they have the chance.

anyway for me i dont have enough room to wait for the 120 mark. I only went up to 115 on a 20 degree hill or so. i live in hawaii so if i continue im running into a speed trap by the cops or into a wall or into the ocean... most cases the mountains or pineapple fields.

2K Accord EX Manual
Top of 4th. Ran out of road though
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^^^^Yeaaa budddy!^^^ I love just seein that! Haa i dont really hit that like that much anymore buuut damn looks good.

And as far as the F22, of course its not an H22 but shit its a hell of a lot cheaper too. Im debating on building one just b/c of the price and b/c i really dont need an H22 right now, i probably would land myself in prison, or in the grave. Soo whatever ya want n need

i went 115 in mines on a slight up hill. most hondas get speed limiters to prevent going over the speed rating of the tire. to tell ya the truth an accord is a waste of ur time. he f22 motor is crap and very under tuned and hard to find parts for. Its only good for swapping the h22 in and turning it into a sleeper. you'll run about high to mid 14s with that alone.

Correction, most honda's are drag limited but can very well pass 115mph regardless of the tires you're running. A car cannot limit it's top speed by the speed rating on a tire. If a car stocks "S" rated tires and switches to "Y" or "Z" rated tires doesn't mean he'll exceed 149mph

Correction, most honda's are drag limited but can very well pass 115mph regardless of the tires you're running. A car cannot limit it's top speed by the speed rating on a tire. If a car stocks "S" rated tires and switches to "Y" or "Z" rated tires doesn't mean he'll exceed 149mph


Correct...they are drag limited, and speed rating has to do with how long the tires will last going that speed. If anyone is interested there is a good descriptive article on speed ratings on tirerack.com

no no no i wasnt talking about the speed rating of the tires that limit u from going over that speed. the speed rating to how fast the tire can safely go without trouble not forcing u to only go up that speed. i was saying the ECU comes with a speed govern to prevent u from going over the stock speed ratings on their stock tires. i guess everyone is disagreeing with me about the ECU's speed govern but i just had to get what i was trying to say first.

i was saying the ECU comes with a speed govern to prevent u from going over the stock speed ratings on their stock tires.

I understand what you're saying, but in a way it's still incorrect. Your ECU CANNOT limit your top speed by the type of tires you have. For example;
Stock 6th generation Accords (98-02) come with Michelin Energy MXV4 with a lettered speed rating "H" (max speed of 130mph).
But when it's time to get new tires, a person may go with a set of Pirelli's with a lettered speed rating "V" (max 149mph) or "Z" (Exceeds 149mph)
Does this mean the ECU is still set to the original tire specifications? No. It's simply impossible for your ecu to do that.
If that were the case, There would be tired rated at 55mph and the ECU programmed at 55mph. Boy, that would suck

no no no no again. I meant since stock tires that come with the car are H rated. Since they put H rated tires on the car they set it so u cant go over that speed rating. Not everyone soups up cars and changes out to Z rated or whatever tires. do u guys still not get what im trying to say? The average person doesnt take a car and swap out the tires. when the average person wants to buy tires they usually buy the same as stock... not get rims and buy Z ratings. Im not saying at all the ECU senses what speed rating tires u have and sets it so u cant go above that. I talking about since it comes STOCK with H rated they dont want anyone to go over the STOCK speed rating of the tires that come with the STOCK car. you guys understand now?

I understand and I disagree. IMHO the car is drag-limited (for, of course, the HP available), and does not have an inbuilt speed-limiter.

ALL ECM controlled cars have a governor for top speed or RPM, which would in effect, limit top speed.

no no no no again. I meant since stock tires that come with the car are H rated. Since they put H rated tires on the car they set it so u cant go over that speed rating. Not everyone soups up cars and changes out to Z rated or whatever tires. do u guys still not get what im trying to say? The average person doesnt take a car and swap out the tires. when the average person wants to buy tires they usually buy the same as stock... not get rims and buy Z ratings. Im not saying at all the ECU senses what speed rating tires u have and sets it so u cant go above that. I talking about since it comes STOCK with H rated they dont want anyone to go over the STOCK speed rating of the tires that come with the STOCK car. you guys understand now?

OK - I totally get you sensei, but, if that's true, why does my 98 3.0 V6 hit 140 with no real struggle if the stock tires were H rated at a max 130mph? Is that just luck?

Note - It has Z rated tires now, although i understand that either way it isn't a factor, computer-wise

ALL ECM controlled cars have a governor for top speed or RPM, which would in effect, limit top speed.



On what do you base that?

On what do you base that?

Let me put it another way. I am not aware of any that were not governed in some way. It would be seen as irresponsible by a manufacturer to not limit top speed if able to do so, allowing a car to travel well in excess of what it's tires and aerodynamics were capable of while still maintaining some semblence of control and stability. It is a liability issue more than anything else, and requires no more than a line of code in the programming. Even a certain versions of Corvette would be capable of over 250 mph going by horsepower and gear ratios, but the chassis and rubber aren't engineered for that. I've yet to drive a computer controlled car that didn't lay down at a set speed and stop pulling. My '94 Impala SS hits the wall just short of 145. My '97 Lumina flattens out at 115 (an LS with speed rated rubber stock, the base model gives up at 90 something) My friend's Civic SI bounces off the ceiling at around 130.

Does it change anything if your is mild modified? Like mine. I mean in sense of speed limiter.

OK - I totally get you sensei, but, if that's true, why does my 98 3.0 V6 hit 140 with no real struggle if the stock tires were H rated at a max 130mph? Is that just luck?

Note - It has Z rated tires now, although i understand that either way it isn't a factor, computer-wise

... maybe ur ECU sensed u got Z rated tires and changed it??? nah im just messing witchu sense everyone thinks thats what im trying to say.

ha ha sensei :lol: dont worry - i understood you the FIRST time you posted :iceslolan

Just a quick overview on the 98:
heads ported and polished
the cat has been replaced with an empty pipe (talk about hi-flow)
we had a cool-air intake, but after the engine almost hydrolocked the day I moved here from the East Coast... ...well we haven't put it back on since
Tires are Z-rated
and all the normal parts are top quality (rotors, spark plugs, etc...)
i think i might be missing a thing or to -- but all mods have been minor

ANYWAY---This car routinely hits 140-150 COMFORTABLY... so
Honestly, I don't believe there's a sensor -- cuz if there is mine must be broken

nevermind.

ha ha sensei :lol: dont worry - i understood you the FIRST time you posted :iceslolan

Just a quick overview on the 98:
heads ported and polished
the cat has been replaced with an empty pipe (talk about hi-flow)
we had a cool-air intake, but after the engine almost hydrolocked the day I moved here from the East Coast... ...well we haven't put it back on since
Tires are Z-rated
and all the normal parts are top quality (rotors, spark plugs, etc...)
i think i might be missing a thing or to -- but all mods have been minor

ANYWAY---This car routinely hits 140-150 COMFORTABLY... so
Honestly, I don't believe there's a sensor -- cuz if there is mine must be broken

One possibility: If you changes the stock diameter of the tread by using a different tire size, the computer would not sense your speed correctly. So if you are slightly overstock, the margin of error increases with speed. By the time you get in the 100+ range the error is likely to be as much as 10 mph or more. But your speedo error would be as well. The speed is sensed by wheel rotation (actually gear speed), and assumes the size of rubber the car came with stock for the reading. If you run larger than stock diameter, you travel more road for each rotation than the stock tire, so your indicated speed reads lower than actual. Go the other way with tread diameter, and the opposite happens.

I'm not up on Hondas, just came over here looking for some advice on one I'm working on. (please someone answer my '87 short to ground post) American cars use a VSS, vehicle speed sensor to tell the ECM what the actual speed is, and is seperate from the speedo reading. This is what the ECM uses to determine throttle cut-out speed.

At your top speed, are you redlined, or still have RPM's to spare?

well i dunno... like i said before some ppl believe only the DX and LX models have speed governs. well thats what they claim for my gen accord (4th gen) im assuming the v6 accord is above the DX, LX so maybe urs dont have one either. but we need a honda mechanic here to answer this question to be 100% sure.

Anyway i have an 90 EX and mines shouldnt have one according to the information i heard but my car only maxed out at 115 in 5th gear. i have i/h/e, no cat, clutch, 12 lb fly, msd, plugs, wires, drop and 16" konig rims. but then again i was going on a 15-20 degree uphill so it could have affected it. In hawaii that is our only "straight" away that is safe enough to top out. the cool thing was i was keeping up with integras hahahahahha. sad huh? nah one disconnected his vtec on his ls/vtec swap and the most modded one is automatic and the other one just had intake, teins and uncapped exhaust.. all were 94-99 tegs.