03 Mach 1 Faster Than A 04 Vett

When On A "safe Race Track" A 03 Mach 1 Is Faster That A 04 Vett On The 1/4 Mile Yep Believe It Or Not, Chevys Sport Car Can Be Beat By Something That Is Almost Half The Cost.

Proof is where?

Exactly

i dont belive that. doesent the 03 mach 1 put out like 305 hp.? the corvette puts out atleast 450 and is a lot lighter. i dont see how the mach 1 is faster. the corvette is a lot faster then the mustang cobra witch puts out 390. and the cobra is a lot faster then the mach 1 witch only puts out 305 so ???

the 04 vette is 12.6 and the 03 mach 1 is 13.2

i dont belive that. doesent the 03 mach 1 put out like 305 hp.? the corvette puts out atleast 450 and is a lot lighter. i dont see how the mach 1 is faster. the corvette is a lot faster then the mustang cobra witch puts out 390. and the cobra is a lot faster then the mach 1 witch only puts out 305 so ???
corvette puts out 350 or 400, depending on which model it is.

the corvette puts out atleast 450 and is a lot lighter. i dont see how the mach 1 is faster. the corvette is a lot faster then the mustang cobra witch puts out 390.

First I would say a '03 Mach 1 isn't going to beat any '04 Vette. And a '04 Z06 at most is going to put out 450hp. But he didn't say Z06 just an '04 vette witch I think any '03 or '04 Cobra would kill and with a Z06 it's a close race and I would give the egde to the Z06 though.

it would probaly be up to the driver

the 2003 mach 1 i beleive has the 4.6L engine in it, ok. the 2004 corvette has the z06. another thing is the mustang wont beat a vette because they have different gearing and different engines, so that is unbeleivable if it does and the mustang probably isnt stock.

i might belive it if they ran a vette when it was like 100 degrees out and did the mach 1 when it was like 40.

i still dont know how ford took off a second in the gt in the 1/4 mile with 40 extra hp. must have big gears or somthin...

interesting, I am sure someone could find numbers posted for both cars...

i already did... its at the top of the page.

OK, real-world drag race at the strip. 'Vette has road-race inspired suspension, gearing, and tires. Mach-1 has a live axle and better gearing. Put a so/so driver in the 'vette spinning his tires and a hotshoe in the Mach 1, and yes the Mach 1 is probly gonna beat the 'vette.

Vette's aren't drag cars, people. But, they make enough power and are light enough to make up for it on the top end and run some pretty decent times.

The '04 Corvette has LS1, and LS2 in the Z06 (Z06 is a model designation, not an engine) package. 350 and 400 NET horsepower, respectively. I've driven many, and never would a stock '04 Corvette have any more of a chance at a 12 second pass (even a Z06) than a stock Mach 1 (of ANY year) would. The average "real world" Corvette of the era goes 14.0s to 13.80s. The Mustangs are right around there, maybe a tick slower. I say "real world" because we don't race magazines.
Now, add a pair of good slicks, and the Mustang would have an edge. As another stated, a sports car with an independent rear is not as adept at drag racing as a "live axle" car. My brother's Cobra isn't as good on the 60' as my nephew's Bullit. 1/4 mile it's near a dead-heat. The Bullit gets him out of the gate, but he runs him down in 4th. Both cars run low 14s in the Texas heat.
That being said, niether of them will run with an '04 GTO, and the '05? Fergit it! I know. I just couldn't resist. Ya'all know I like the Ponchos. All in fun. But my statements about the 'vette and 'stang are from experience and fact, not emotion. The GTO? Well, maybe a LITTLE emotion... Arhg! Argh! Humor...

they could run with the 04 gto. not the 05 but if ford made a mach 1 in 05 it would of been able to run with the 05 gto's.

Perhaps, IF they made one... The '06 Cobra may have a chance against the LS2 version. I doubt, even with a blower, it will run with the LS7 version... I guess we'll see. One thing's for sure, it won't get one in the corners!
I STILL like the last generation of Mustangs better. The Bullit was a VERY nice car to drive. The Cobra had more miles (therefore more rattles and creaks), but was still a nice car.

^I think the '07 Cobra vs. a LS7 Vette I say the vette wins but a little programing of the Cobra with somehting like superchips tuner you could be pushing 500+hp. One think you have to remember is the Cobra is pretty much detuned Ford GT motor. The heads are alittle different.

But what happens when you apply the same technology to the 'vette or GTO? And the blower? Pushrods ain't dead yet!

^I got nothing against pushrods I own one my self. But what I'm saying is could spend $700 on a programer and through in a new pully for the blower and get the '07 Cobra motor easy up to 500+hp on top of that the car will cost less than the vette and may cost less than the GTO. And you could program a GTO and vette and get more power also but the blower will cost ya another $5,000 easilly. I'm not a big fan of the GTO it had a bad platform to start with but it's getting better but no competitor for the Cobra.

Well i have a friend with a 04 cobra who was smoked by a z06 vette. Oh yeah and u guys cant forget about the 07 cammaro thats if it comes out.

the 07 camaro isent that fast. the 05 mustang gt is just as fast or faster then the 07 maro. and the 07 cobra is a lot faster then the z06 and the 04 cobra.

That's funny. There IS NO '07 Camaro. At least not officially. Any projections on performance are strictly speculation.
What is "bad" about the GTO platform (aside from it being made in Australia)? Every road test I've seen and each car I've driven will turn better, ride better, accellerate a TON better, and in general, far more comfortable than the Mustangs I've driven.
Same can be said of '07 "Cobra" as '07 Camaro. Not there, yet... The '06 models haven't even been released yet.

^No I'm looking at Autoweek and the put them head to head and the Mustang out handles the GTO in the skid pad and slalom and by 2.5mph in the slalom witch was only a 490ft one. I'm talking about the '05 Mustang GT here and it is isn't that much slower than the GTO. And I'm sure the GTO does ride nicer it chassis was originaly desigend with the rough roads of Australia in mind and the steering is also said to be unresponsive and would have to over anticipate the turns. And when they got in the Mustang they would over anticipate the turns like in the GTO but the mustang is so much more responsive they would spin out. And the last thing when they tested the Mustang it only had the 235/55 tires on 17" wheels not the wider lower profile tire.

The Cobra is a little different situation than the Comaro though they have at least made known the next step for the Cobra the Camaro is unoffical like you said. My uncle who work in the Mustang plant said they have made a little over 30 Cobras already and they changed somewhat form the original pictures. Oh and the '06 models have been relested in the past week or so.

Yeah well i rather have a mustang than a gto you get more girls while driving a mustang if u know what i mean. and the mustangs do look better.

As a long-married guy, getting girls is a low priority...
I don't know which comparison you read, but every one I've read places the Mustang ahead of GTO ONLY in the "style" category. GTO outperforms it on every measure, and gets the same gas mileage. If their skidpad says Mustang is better, fine. But realize, nobody races on skidpads. GTO is tearing them up on the road courses and the "drifting" races. They show themselves very well at local drag strips, too. Last time I was at Richmond Dragway (a couple of weeks ago), Pontiac outnumbered Ford by a few cars. That included three late GTOs. Fox bodies are falling out of favor, as Ford struggles to keep up with the BIG power engines. As much a I like the Lima engine family, the BBC and Pontiac stuff is putting it out of reach for all but the mega-buck "mounitain motors".
My nephew LOVES his Buillitt. My brother LOVES his '99 Cobra. Neither of them would put money on their own cars against a stock GTO. Are the later Mustangs THAT MUCH QUICKER? I doubt it. For a real-world test, go find a GTO and RACE it. Quoting magazines is passe...

the 05 mustangs is a lot faster then the 04 mustangs

Yes the later Mustangs are much faster like a '04 or '03 Cobra would tear a GTO to peices. If both are good drivers. The '03/'04 Cobras have 70 more supercharged Hp than a '99 Cobra 320hp. I would expect a GTO to win at a drag strip against a '05 Mustang GT but not a '04 Cobra no way. If you call drifting racing you must be joking thats all about who looks the best and can loose traction the easiest that is not racing. There aren't alot of GTOs around here to race and I rearly see them.

i still think the 05 mustang gt would beat a 04 gto. and the 04 mach 1(witch started this thread) would destroy a 04 or 05 gto.

there is so much misinformation in this thread its not funny. A stock vette w/ 450 horse? not since the 454 back in the late 60's, or the new Z06 w/ 500. A new model vette(not '06) has a LS1 w/ 345 hp. The Z06(not '06) has 405. I know for a fact that the 320 hp Mach 1 will not touch either one in anything. At the drag, through the turns, top speed.....Vette owns.

how is that "so much misinformation its not even funny"? i estimated that they had between 400-450 hp. and they have 405 so how am i wrong? and the mach 1 has 305 hp. not 320 hp.

^Ya the 450hp thing is trying to take in affect that companies under rate some of their cars. It was said that the '04 Z06 is putting out at least 450hp. And I said it was putting out at most 450hp. And the Mach1 ony puts out 305hp like neato said. A '99 Cobra puts out 320hp though.

Vettes Rule And so do Mustangs I hate gtos

^Ya the 450hp thing is trying to take in affect that companies under rate some of their cars. It was said that the '04 Z06 is putting out at least 450hp. And I said it was putting out at most 450hp. And the Mach1 ony puts out 305hp like neato said. A '99 Cobra puts out 320hp though.

SVT is only 320? i thought it had more than that...

the 99's are 320 the 03-04's r 390

97,
You're not the same guy that hated the GTO taillites and exhaust tips, are you? (typical view a Mustang owner gets of GTO)

The "book" lists the Corvette at 405 HP and the GTO at 400 (apparently there's a slight difference in exhaust systems). These are "SAE Net" ratings (at the tailshsaft of the trans with all accessories installed and operating). I've seen two GTOs put 395 to the rear wheels on a good dyno. Both were unmodified, so the "net" rating is pretty close.

It was common for manufacturers to underrate engines in the late '60s for insurance purposes. We don't see much of it anymore. FWIW, a 435 HP 427 Chevy (rated in "gross brake" horsepower, or at the flywheel with no accessories) makes less horsepower than a 405 HP LS6. Torque is an entirely different matter. NONE of the modern V8 engines make the raw power from the muscle car era. Big cubes and long connecting rods...

The taillite/exhaust tip jab was all in fun... I know I really like driving my brother's '99 Cobra AND my nephew's Bullit. Fun cars. Low 14s on both counts. Both cars are unmodified. I can't say about my nephew, but my brother's driving skills are excellent. He raced with us a lot "back in the day".

Jim

^Wow! 395rwhp is realy good for a car rated at 400hp. The only test I have seen for a '03 Cobra was 365rwhp.

na i aint the same guy who hates the exaust tip and taillights. i just dont like the way it looks i aint a gto fan.

i still think the 05 mustang gt would beat a 04 gto. and the 04 mach 1(witch started this thread) would destroy a 04 or 05 gto.

They had a head to head in motor trend and the GTO wrecked the '05 Mustang GT. An '05 GT isn't much slower than a Mach 1. I'd venture to say an '04-'05 GTO could still pull on a '04 Mach 1


The only way a stock Mach 1 will beat a Stock C5 Vette is if the vette is a stick and the father let his son borrow it and he cant' drive for ****. A C5 vette makes more horsepower, is more aerodynamic, lighter, and is better geared. A Mach 1 still can't run a better time than an LS1 F-body with the same drivers, so I dont' see how a Mach 1 could beat an LS1 in a lighter chasis.

I am yet to see a STOCK LS1/LS6/LS2 put down anywhere near 390 to the wheels. And believe me, I am around these cars all the time.
LS1 tends to be around 310 RWHP.
LS6 tends to be around 335-345 RWHP.
LS2 tends to be around 340 RWHP.

2004 LS1 GTO = Upper 13's
2005 LS2 GTO = Mid 13's
2004 Mach1 = Mid 13's
2004 C5 Corvette = Lower 13's....good driver sees upper 12's pretty easy.
2004 C5 Z06 Corvette = Mid 12's

And I do agree, there is a lot of numbers being tossed around in this thread that aren't quite accurate.

I am yet to see a STOCK LS1/LS6/LS2 put down anywhere near 390 to the wheels.
LS1 tends to be around 310 RWHP.
LS6 tends to be around 335-345 RWHP.
LS2 tends to be around 340 RWHP.

2004 LS1 GTO = Upper 13's
2005 LS2 GTO = Mid 13's
2004 Mach1 = Mid 13's
2004 C5 Corvette = Lower 13's....good driver sees upper 12's pretty easy.
2004 C5 Z06 Corvette = Mid 12's

And I do agree, there is a lot of numbers being tossed around in this thread that aren't quite accurate.

bout time there was some reliable info posted in this thread. Slap me and call me sally if your putting 390 to the ground w/ a stock LS1.

I found out the 03 mach 1 is the the 7th fastest ford production car . But my freinds is a 04 mach1 what is the difernce.

I am not here to dispute Mr. Luos, however, his experience does not reflect mine. And , for the record, my information when provided as such, is ALWAYS accurate. My opinions are another matter.
I HAVE seen several (all at one race) GTOs going low (not "mid") 13s without modifications. I have also seen them run away and hide from Corvettes up to about 140 MPH.
I have also seen an '05 GTO make 395 AT THE REAR WHEELS. You don't have to believe me. That's your issues, not mine. That was on Greg Miller's dyno at New Age Performance, Orange, Virginia. The car was stock. They don't just grab numbers out of the air anymore when rating engines. They actually test them. Insurance and NHRA are no longer a concern (like they were in the early '70s) when it comes to power rating. NOTE: AN '05 GTO, NOT an '04. LS1 made 350 horses. Ls2 makes 400. LS7 is the one to watch! 505! (no blower, Ford guys...)

Sorry if I sound a bit defensive. As a professional, I DO get a bit flustered when directly challenged.
I assure you, I never post information as "fact" unless I know it to be true. If it's my "opinon", it WILL be qualified as such. And my opinion is as valid as anyone else's, provided they base it on accurate information.
PAX

Jim

Would you like me to post 5-6 dyno's of stock LS2 GTO's???
I don't doubt you saw a 2005 GTO make 395 RWHP. But it wasn't stock. They are rated at 400 HP....crank. Not to the wheels.
Believe me, I am ALL for the numbers you are saying. I would love the GTO to make those numbers. Problem is, they need to be modded to hit them.

yeah i was talking about the LS1 putting 395 to the wheels stock. its just not happening. LS2 on the otherhand? thats a differrent story. i still think 390 is pushing it though on a stock motor....i dont know if i believe it. Your forgetting drivetrain loss MrPbody.

The LS2 makes about 340-345 RWHP stock.

okay I own an 03 mach, I am quite sure of what these cars are capable of. with an offroad x and stickies I've went a 12.7 at 108 with a 1.78 60 foot.These cars are capable of 13.1 to 13.40 in complete stock trim, with someone that can drive them. I've raced the gto's and just killed them in quarter, top end I dont know the gto would probaly get me up there. I've had a ls1 camaro with basic bolt ons hold on to me about a car length or so. 04 corvette does 0-60 in 5.2 sec suprise suprise so does the mach. but it doesn't matter what the car is capable of, its what your capable of with that car. basically just cause the cars is capale of certain times it doesn't mean you are

I love ford but that's bull. Now the new Gt500 that on a track could beat a 04 corvette. 500 Horse 480 F/P of tourqe.

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