K20 swap for LS
ForcedInduction509
01-27-2005, 04:52 AM
My cousin has a '95 integra LS and the engine and tranny just went so he is thinking of sending the car to a junkyard. I have noticed a crx with a K20 swap and I was wondering how big of a task it would be to swap a K20 into an LS engine bay......and about how much would it cost? Thanks ahead of time for any info. :banghead:
shaunthebadass
01-27-2005, 02:20 PM
it isnt really that hard of a job. if you order all of the components from www.hybrid-racing.com then it comes with a cd for installation instructions, free tech support when you call them, billet mounts and a plug-n-play harness. this motor really looks like it was made for the dc2 rather than the dc5. i am actually in the process of getting one in my 95. here are some pics of a few dc2's with this motor in them:
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010021.JPG
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010026.JPG
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_04.jpg
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_03.jpg
the jdm integras have the k20a2 in them also.
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010021.JPG
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010026.JPG
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_04.jpg
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_03.jpg
the jdm integras have the k20a2 in them also.
integralover
01-27-2005, 06:23 PM
omfg:eek2: that is just sick. that engine looks like it actually belongs in there. i would love to see a dyno of that.
kornflakes28546
01-27-2005, 07:11 PM
is the k20a2 the one with 210hp?
ForcedInduction509
01-27-2005, 08:21 PM
it isnt really that hard of a job. if you order all of the components from www.hybrid-racing.com then it comes with a cd for installation instructions, free tech support when you call them, billet mounts and a plug-n-play harness. this motor really looks like it was made for the dc2 rather than the dc5. i am actually in the process of getting one in my 95. here are some pics of a few dc2's with this motor in them:
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010021.JPG
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010026.JPG
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_04.jpg
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_03.jpg
the jdm integras have the k20a2 in them also.
Yo.....thnx alot for that site man, you just took all the hard work of finding all the things seperately. :iceslolan
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010021.JPG
http://www.k20a.org/upload/P1010026.JPG
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_04.jpg
http://www.hybrid-racing.com/images/gallery/left_pop_ups/left_03.jpg
the jdm integras have the k20a2 in them also.
Yo.....thnx alot for that site man, you just took all the hard work of finding all the things seperately. :iceslolan
shaunthebadass
02-01-2005, 10:28 AM
your welcome. give those guys a call if you are interested, they're good people and will be able to help you out with whatever you need. pretty soon i will be doing a jdm front end, right hand drive conversion and k20a2 in mine. ill post some pics when it is done.
pepsihatman
02-01-2005, 10:43 AM
Really freaking awesome swap. What will the engine cost?
94tegRS
02-01-2005, 12:15 PM
about 5600 + shipping for the RSX-R 220HP
from hmotors
from hmotors
kornflakes28546
02-01-2005, 12:52 PM
then you have to add to mounts and everthing else but it would be worth it, it's an awesome engine with a ton of potential. eventually (after i graduate from college) i plan to do a k20 swap + turbo, and JDM front end. i hope to run high 11's - low 12's. it'll defintely be a fun project.
94tegRS
02-01-2005, 02:02 PM
then you have to add to mounts and everthing else but it would be worth it, it's an awesome engine with a ton of potential. eventually (after i graduate from college) i plan to do a k20 swap + turbo, and JDM front end. i hope to run high 11's - low 12's. it'll defintely be a fun project.
eventually youd be quicker than the B no doubt but imagine that 6k from the swap, 6hun form the mounts, maybe 1500 for axles/wiring/fuel system..
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
eventually youd be quicker than the B no doubt but imagine that 6k from the swap, 6hun form the mounts, maybe 1500 for axles/wiring/fuel system..
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
whtteg
02-01-2005, 02:12 PM
eventually youd be quicker than the B no doubt but imagine that 6k from the swap, 6hun form the mounts, maybe 1500 for axles/wiring/fuel system..
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
I agree.Until it becomes more and more common and cheaper than it is too much money for such little gain IMHO.But after some time it will get cheaper to do and then it might not be a bad idea, the thing you would be paying for the most is more HP with better daily drivability. Just my :2cents: on it.
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
I agree.Until it becomes more and more common and cheaper than it is too much money for such little gain IMHO.But after some time it will get cheaper to do and then it might not be a bad idea, the thing you would be paying for the most is more HP with better daily drivability. Just my :2cents: on it.
kornflakes28546
02-01-2005, 03:14 PM
eventually youd be quicker than the B no doubt but imagine that 6k from the swap, 6hun form the mounts, maybe 1500 for axles/wiring/fuel system..
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
yeah i know it'll be expensive, but it'll be a project car in 10 years (about the time it'll take for me to finally get out of college and start making real money) and by then the k series will be fairly inexpensive and most importantly, the project will be for fun and it'll be different.
spent on the B18 the teg has already.
for 8 G's that would be one insane powerplant.
you could beef it up, throw a huge amount of boost at it, tune it and then smoke a stock K equipped teg. of course it would be cool to be different but noone goes and pops their hood and shows off after they lose a race so most wont even know.
plus that doesnt count the money spent boosting the K20.
yeah i know it'll be expensive, but it'll be a project car in 10 years (about the time it'll take for me to finally get out of college and start making real money) and by then the k series will be fairly inexpensive and most importantly, the project will be for fun and it'll be different.
shaunthebadass
02-01-2005, 03:32 PM
if you were to find a k20 out of a wrecked rsx for a good price, buy the mounts and axles and all other components for around 3k and the k-pro for about a grand. with all of this you will be running about a 13.8-13.95 ON A STOCK MOTOR! alot of mildly built b18c's dont run that. this is not to mention that this motor is the future, its reliability, gas mileage and power makes it a new force to reconed with. building the b series is played out as far as im concerned because everything has already been done.
just my opinion.
just my opinion.
94tegRS
02-01-2005, 06:10 PM
if you were to find a k20 out of a wrecked rsx for a good price, buy the mounts and axles and all other components for around 3k and the k-pro for about a grand. with all of this you will be running about a 13.8-13.95 ON A STOCK MOTOR! alot of mildly built b18c's dont run that. this is not to mention that this motor is the future, its reliability, gas mileage and power makes it a new force to reconed with. building the b series is played out as far as im concerned because everything has already been done.
just my opinion.
if thats the case what is the point of building a civic to go fast, its been done, or building a quick teg, its been done, its played out...
everything you wanna do to a K20 has probably already been done somewhere.
and in a civic coupe a B18C5 with bolt ons runs low low 14's, this was close to sea level of course but thats still quick.
I want the k series also, I found a RSX-S down in cali when i was visting in a wrecking yard I could have had for 3 G's, but I had no money for the car let alone the truck and trailer to tow it thorugh 3 states.
just my opinion.
if thats the case what is the point of building a civic to go fast, its been done, or building a quick teg, its been done, its played out...
everything you wanna do to a K20 has probably already been done somewhere.
and in a civic coupe a B18C5 with bolt ons runs low low 14's, this was close to sea level of course but thats still quick.
I want the k series also, I found a RSX-S down in cali when i was visting in a wrecking yard I could have had for 3 G's, but I had no money for the car let alone the truck and trailer to tow it thorugh 3 states.
shaunthebadass
02-02-2005, 08:00 PM
i understand what you are saying 94tegrs, but how many people do you know have a built k20 in their dc, eg or ek chassis in your area? thats my point, not many out there. i just dont like having the same thing that all of my friends have because i have three friends with built b series in their integras. i just want to put the k20 in my car and start on a whole new level that others are spending ridiculous money to get to and are sacrificing reliability at the same time. once you start to build a motor, your chances for it screwing up increases. with this motor you can go to the track and run in the stock motor class and be on par with supra tt's and smoke evo's.
the track times i stated earlier are a little off. in an eg, stock rsx w/o kpro ran a 13.7 at like 105. when they added the kpro it ran a 13.5 at 106.7. their 60 foots were something like 2.2, no traction and a problem with the shift linkage. the car would slip out of gear randomly. these were the first runs in the car and since then these problems have been fixed. on the website you can watch some videos of it beating an evo with a few bolt ons and a few other races at www.hybrid-racing.com.
the track times i stated earlier are a little off. in an eg, stock rsx w/o kpro ran a 13.7 at like 105. when they added the kpro it ran a 13.5 at 106.7. their 60 foots were something like 2.2, no traction and a problem with the shift linkage. the car would slip out of gear randomly. these were the first runs in the car and since then these problems have been fixed. on the website you can watch some videos of it beating an evo with a few bolt ons and a few other races at www.hybrid-racing.com.
94tegRS
02-02-2005, 08:07 PM
just fopr the H of it I got a quote for them to drop one in my DC2(that I dont own currently) and it was almost 10K, now labor was only 1k of that. they had it down as 5500 for the swap, 3k in parts and 1k in labor, so doing it myself Id only save a G, not sure what parts constitute 3G's but they must know what they are talking about.
for me, Id build a B cuz it drops right in and if I was gonna do something crazy Id go all out and buy a CRX and cut it all up and drop in a F20C and convert to RWD, more money than the K20 for sure, but even more rare, and would be SO fun in the rain/snow or even just a big empty parking lot.
for me, Id build a B cuz it drops right in and if I was gonna do something crazy Id go all out and buy a CRX and cut it all up and drop in a F20C and convert to RWD, more money than the K20 for sure, but even more rare, and would be SO fun in the rain/snow or even just a big empty parking lot.
kornflakes28546
02-03-2005, 05:55 AM
or CRX + h20a??
shaunthebadass
02-03-2005, 08:36 AM
you must really not like the idea of the k20 in your car. i understand your point and i said the same thing when they were first talking about this swap. then i rode in the eg with this motor. lots of fun. yes you can take the same amount of money and put it into the b series and make it go faster thean the k20, my point is that you are competing against a stock motor. that b series isnt going to last long at all especially if you are running boost. without extensive block work and head work you will blow the motor very soon. then you also have the problems with turbo lag, boost spikes and everything else. this k20 swap isnt really geared towards someone who already has a b series (although i have a gsr in mine and am doing the swap), it is mainly for those who were looking to purchase a gsr or type-r motor and this just gives them another option. thats all.
im doing it because i want more power (who doesnt) but mainly i want the reliability because this car is my daily driver. i cant afford to gave something mess up on my built b series motor and me not be able to make it to school or work. just think about after you have done the swap and you start building that k20. with some bolt-ons and maybe the toda cam package, you'll be in mid to high 12's.
im doing it because i want more power (who doesnt) but mainly i want the reliability because this car is my daily driver. i cant afford to gave something mess up on my built b series motor and me not be able to make it to school or work. just think about after you have done the swap and you start building that k20. with some bolt-ons and maybe the toda cam package, you'll be in mid to high 12's.
94tegRS
02-03-2005, 12:39 PM
no Im not against it at all, I test drove a 03 RSX-S and I love that car, love the engine, pulls the RSX along very nicely. just if I was gonna swpa for my daily car Id go an easier/cheaper route, and if I was building a prject Ig pull out all the stops. whenever I strike it rich and get to retire and have the cash and time I could starty one, but I dont think Ill have that much cash at any one time for many years to come.
shaunthebadass
02-03-2005, 03:21 PM
hope you come across a huge pot of money soon and can get one because belive me that motor is awesome.
GRaPHiCDreaMZ
02-06-2005, 04:39 PM
what does it take to get an H22 into a integra
92-93 3rd gen body??? i really want 2 make sure about all this information im sure u guys can help.. i mite buy one with a blown engine and i 0wn an
H22.
92-93 3rd gen body??? i really want 2 make sure about all this information im sure u guys can help.. i mite buy one with a blown engine and i 0wn an
H22.
shaunthebadass
02-07-2005, 08:01 PM
its a pretty tight fit and you need new axles, mounts, transmission etc.. There is an adapter plate coming out soon that will allow you to to be able to use your b-series transmission and the axles you already own and it will bolt right to the h22, makes it to where you dont have to buy new axles and a transmission and probably a few other things.
GRaPHiCDreaMZ
02-07-2005, 08:29 PM
thanks for the info id rather get another prelude by any means and swap my already fitting engine and ride beatifully once more i miss my lude ..
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