SLP WS6 vs SuperCharged G35 Coupe

OK, so I know both of these guys. The WS6 goes to school with me and the supercharged G35 is a friend of mine, we always cruise. I only have an AEM intake and 3000miles on my G35 Coupe so I set this race up for these guys....

WS6 - He just got the car and he doesn't really know what is done to it. We know exhaust, chip and intake.

G35 Coupe - ATI Procharger, biult engine. Dynoed at 383 to the wheels at 5.5 PSI.

Me [G35 Coupe] - AEM intake. Dynoed 241 at the wheels.

So, we meet up in Starbucks parking lot but quickly get kicked out by the rant-a-cop so we go across the street to Brookshires and chat for justa second then head to ''the track''. Usually we check for cops but these two guys were anxious.

This is a loooong, 4 laned road with a turn lane - 5 lanes total. Inside left lane, closest to turn lane WS6, Me, Camaro SS, Volvo S80.
Right lane, closest to curb S/C G35, Del Sol, Mustang.

We watch the cross lights, It blinks yellow and you can hear all three of us [G35's and WS6] rev up, the S/C begins to whine and I can hear my faint exhaust note in the background.

False alarm...turn lane light goes 1st...everyone sits back and waits. Light goes yellow and again the S/C whines and I bring the RPMs to just over 1500. Green! We all get perfect launches. Shift to second and we are pretty close to each other, by 70 the G35 and WS6 have walked away from me [I was just trying to keep up to see who would win]. 90 My phone starts ringing, no way in hell im answering it so I try to ignore it as I shift into 4th and both cars are now around 4 cars ahead of me. I see the next light, intersection, and gas station. We always race on this strip and none of our races EVER last this long, I see both black cars as a blurr as they pass under the slightly lighted interrsection. I glance down to see when my shift should be, I scream past the gas station at over 140MPH. I see a cloud of smoke ahead of me, they are probably 5-6 cars ahead of me by now. As rocks, dirt, and other road debris hit my car I don't see anything going wrong, both of the racers are still neck and neck, it doesn't look any anyone gained anything the entire race. We hit the next intersection and take a left. My phone has been vibrating in my pocket the entire time.

Everyone's car smells, very warm and worked over. We cruise for about 1/2 a mile and the the WS6 and S/C G35 say they want to go at it again so the G35 takes off and the WS6 and I follow. My phoen goes off again, and this time I push ignore. We cruise at around 120mph down a deserted street until we hit a light.

We line up again, This time me and G35 are in one lane and the WS6 is in the other. G35 gets a jump on the WS6 and I decided I'm going to let mine rest so I granny her up to around 120 again, just so I can see the other two guys and dont lose them. I can't tell what happened at all this round but I see blinkers and they turn into a gas station.

We chat and I ask what happened. Again, no one gained an inch and no one last an inch. Both said it was the closest race they had EVER had. We decide to head back to the original spot to gather and talk for a second. My phone begins to ring, I ignore it. Back at the meeting spot my friends in the Volvo, Sol, and Stang sit waiting as they were all 16 sec cars and could not keep up.

OK, so I finally check my phone and see that those guys had been calling me the whole time so I ask what the deal was. They had got caught at the light at the intersection we passed through at 140.

They said, "You know why it turned red?"
"No, why?"
"Because a COP was waiting to turn!!"
Got lucky, very lucky. I had been in a race that lasted that long....The other G35 guy said he had gone through that intersection at atleast 155 because he shifted into 6th gear right after.

When asked that the cloud of smoke, dirt, rocks etc was the G35 guy, who is in his upper 30s btw, got a straight face and looked very pissed. The WS6 had passed a car in the turning lane throwing all sorts of crap all over both of us G35's, I never knew this happened...I was too far back, lol. WS6 leaves....thats about it...

Can't believe a cop probably saw us running this fast....we are VERY lucky.

Im not going to call out BS but that is kinda unbliveable...I think you would be left in the dust, and you guys would get in trobule...But if you didn't, more power to you!

Lot of the times, if you're traveling at such speeds. The police won't bother to pursue. They deem it unsafe.

#1 No chance in hell of catching up to you, you've already got a 120mph head start.

#2 They'll radio in for a helicopter, but that usually takes a good 2-3 minutes for one to show up.

#3 It might of been a Rent-A-Cop with a car that looked similar to a police car. We have those, they look very close untill you're next to them and realise the guy is 19 and it says Mall Security on it.

thats a pretty fast race, way to fast for my taste, anything over 100 MPH and you wreck, conisder yourself a bug splatter on your winshield or pavement. Anways stay safe.

I got it on video, the 1st race. I'll get it posted up. Oh.....I am left in dust...waaay in the dust. I maybe being generous to myself on car lengths...things happen very fast. I dont think it shows speedo...bu you can hear the engine scream through the top of 4th gear...

Its on a friends camera, I might can get it tonight!! I havent even seen it yet.

wow...sounds like a good one. get the video up ASAP

Wow, thats some pretty insanely fast races you competed in. I was right up at the comp. screen reading all of that, lol. :grinyes:

Yeah, by 140 they would have been a lot further ahead of you than just 5-6 car lengths, at least the G35 would. Maybe you meant to say bus lengths?

Can you show us the Video? I know of a Twin Turbo G35C that makes 377 whp @ 8 psi, so I would love to see one that makes that much.

Oh and BTW, that G35 probably runs low 12s so he would smoke you a lot worse by 100 mph than described. :iceslolan

Get the vids! Sounds like a good race, too high speed for me, but I always love to see a Trans Am in action. They're so sexy...so get the vids! :biggrin: Late...

Very stupid to race at those high rates of speed..but it was definitely an interesting read. And what kind of mustang was it? You said it was a 16 second car..must have been an older six cylinder.

Lol, just watched the video. They are more like 5 bus lengths ahead, haha! Its hard to see them in the video. I hit the brakes right as we come to the interrsection....friend is sending the video via AIM right now...so this might take awhile...

dampachi: The Mustang is a 98 V6. Best time is a 16.1 and he's at the track right now trying to beat that time. The Volvo actually runs a 15.8 and the Del Sol runs a 16.0. My best time is a 13.9 and the WS6 nor G35 S/C have been to a track.

Aight guys, heres the deal. Because the vid is not on my camera my friends records as .AVI -AngelFire won't host it for me so where is somewhere else I can host this? It's only 45sec.

HELP!

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Does this work?
Race (http://209.245.59.180/Gimme/95444875/76218006/49552247/C520B35D-7FAA-4CA0-B005-BF05886D6FCF/0.622774/2/SuperCharged_G35_V_WS6 )

OK, since he said he can see it...towards the end of the video watch the stripes on the road...watch how fast they are going by, as the interrsection gets closer watch how fast I stop and they go by very slowly. :icon16:

no can see

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can see

So who won? One of those guys should have had the camera. Love the sound of that G35C exhaust.

OK, since I wasn't detailed in my long novel above in who actually won...

You can see the G35 get a small lead from the start. Bother racers said the G35 kept that lead, until the guy filming says, "IT'S A RACE!" that is when the WS6 caught up and they became even. By the interrsection the G35 guy said the WS6 was pulling VERY slowly. I think they ended up just calling it a tie. Both wanted to go from 0-??? but never could find that streth of road and figured we'd ran it hard enough and pushed our luck enough for tonight.....

I'll take [legal] shots of my car tonight messin around. The G35 with the charger is stock exhaust. I'll more then likely meet up with him also and take some good pics of the car.

ENJOY!

That was a messed up place to race though. That second light could have easily turned red and they both would have been screwed at those speeds (not to mention the people making the left turn comming from the other side)

I still think the G35C should have clearly beat him. It should be running mid - low 12s with that much power. The twin turbo guy runs low 12s w/o nitrous (which he has installed also)

Cool race. Cant wait to see those cars up close

A WS.6 with a chip..........right........they don't get chips.

Sounds like that G35 is a heavy mofo, because at most that WS.6 with those mods would make 340 RWHP. AT MOST.

WAIT.........

SLP WS.6???? So it was an LT1 bird?? That would explain the chip. Did it have the front end like in my sig?
The LS1 WS.6's are 1998-2002, and weren't done by SLP.

Yeah..but I couldn't see an LT1 running like that.

The G35 should have beaten either one, but I guess the chip story doesn't add up.

cant see it.......

The G35 should have beaten either one

Not a good running slightly modded LS1 car. It would have been as close as he said.

Whoa..Mr. Luos...where did you get that blue WS6 badge?

Not a good running slightly modded LS1 car. It would have been as close as he said.


Really? They run low 12s, maybe high 11s lightly modded?

A stock LS1 with sticky tires can run a 12.9. An otherwise stock LS1 with sticky tires and a $100 air lid will run a 12.7.

Really? They run low 12s, maybe high 11s lightly modded?
I would like proof that a charged 380 RWHP G35 is running that.
My experience has been what I posted. Lightly modded LS1 car and a charged G35 make for a really close race. Not sure personally, never ran one.


Whoa..Mr. Luos...where did you get that blue WS6 badge?
Blue tint to the sig. :naughty:

haha...I should have known. I didn't even see that the taillight is blue too.

Hey guys,
Just got in.

the WS6 has some work done to it. There is an SLP badge on the left side I believe - check the vid and see if you can notice it...if not...I know it's there anyway. He just got the car used from a dealership about a week ago. All they said is that it has a chip, exhaust, and intake...so if there is a package for them I guess it's on there. The guy has said he beat another WS6 by a car or two - I was NOT there for this...but I don't know much about the T/A's so....you tell me?

G35 Coupes weight more than the Sedans...we are not light. A stock, manual G35C can run around 13.8-14.0 in the 1/4 with 230-245ish whp.

That's all I know...wish the video was better...but that's all I have...

Really? They run low 12s, maybe high 11s lightly modded?

They'll do mid 12s with a cam swap.

WS6 - He just got the car and he doesn't really know what is done to it. We know exhaust, chip and intake.

G35 Coupe - ATI Procharger, biult engine. Dynoed at 383 to the wheels at 5.5 PSI.


383 rwhp @ 5.5 psi?? Ain't buying it :nono:
That works out to 142rwhp from 5.5 psi on an V6.

A Vortech V-9 G-Trim @ 6PSI for the LS-1 will only give a 100wrhp gain. The ATI P-1SC-1 ProCharger will yield the same at 5PSI (intercooled). There is no way an engine with less displacement and similar compression ratio will yield more HP from the same amount of boost (physically impossible).

Maybe your friend meant 383 fwhp. That would put him at 325.5rwhp which is about 85rwhp more than you put down stock and seems attainable for a 5.5 psi intercooled V6 kit.

The 325rwhp number is also what lightly modded LS-1 F-bodys put down (i.e. LID,exhaust, and LS6 intake <for pre-01 models>). If your friend was really putting down 383 he would've put several carlenghts on him by 110.

The fact that they ran so close leads me to believe that the fwhp number was more acurate because the cars weigh within 100 lbs of each other.

In any case, sounds like a great run. I can't download the video now but will try again later.

Haha, beats me. I can see if he has a dyno sheet..don't know though...Sorry. I can try to find out more info...

was it a firehawk? didn't SLP make firehawks in that year? That would explain the slp badge. I thought WS6s were factory modded from GM and FireHawks were "custom" from SLP. I also thought firehawks were made from stock WS6's in late model 4th gen birds.

was it a firehawk? didn't SLP make firehawks in that year? That would explain the slp badge. I thought WS6s were factory modded from GM and FireHawks were "custom" from SLP. I also thought firehawks were made from stock WS6's in late model 4th gen birds.

ASC Global Inc. did the conversions on the 1998-2002 WS.6's. SLP did the LT1 WS.6's. SLP did the Firehawks 1998-2002.

Hows that video coming along Mr. Luos?

Hows that video coming along Mr. Luos?

Check my new thread!

ASC Global Inc. did the conversions on the 1998-2002 WS.6's. SLP did the LT1 WS.6's. SLP did the Firehawks 1998-2002.


Hmm, i didn't know that. So, if u wanted a "factory" ls1 firehawk, you ordered it from slp, and if you wanted a dealer to convert a standard ls1 ws6- you sent it to ASC? Did both comapanies put that cheese-ball "hawk" emblem under the ram air scoop?

Hmm, i didn't know that. So, if u wanted a "factory" ls1 firehawk, you ordered it from slp, and if you wanted a dealer to convert a standard ls1 ws6- you sent it to ASC? Did both comapanies put that cheese-ball "hawk" emblem under the ram air scoop?

By "hawk" do you mean the license plate cover??? All 98-02 Trans Am's had that, some were just painted to accent the 'hawk.' I think the Firehawk's were the painted ones.

And I am pretty sure the dealer would send in an order for a WS.6 or Firehawk. Not send in a car. I know most years there were 5000 or so WS.6's made. Not sure about Firehawks.

no, right were the hood meets the bumper, inbetween the "nostrals" is a little badge, a picture of a hawk in a swooping pose. Thats what i saw on an 02 the otherday.

That might be a Firehawk thing......or an aftermarket badge.

Mine doesn't have it, and it is a WS.6.

Interesting run. I'm kinda baffled by the WS6 tieing the G35, as with his mods he shouldn't be cranking out over 320whp. It's all in the driver though. I saw a twin turbocharged 350Z at Speedway, and it was running low 13's at 106-107 mph (Most WS6's run about 13.8 sec. there, due to the altitude, at 101-103 mph. Anyways, you did get lucky. I would never think that a cop wouldn't chase you at 100+ mph, as i've been chased by a cop at around those speeds (Although he did wait for me to slow down).

i wanna see it! link no worky

i wanna see it! link no worky

+1...Mr. Luos, what new thread are you talking about?

+1...Mr. Luos, what new thread are you talking about?


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=353749

Ah, I got confused, I had already seen Mr. Luos vid(very nice), but I meant the link didn't work for DomesticRicer's vid of the race...did you manage to get that working?

I think Danno is right. I don't see how that is possible with 5.5psi. I would be interested to see some track slips or dyno sheets. A vid would be cool too!

I think Danno is right. I don't see how that is possible with 5.5psi. I would be interested to see some track slips or dyno sheets. A vid would be cool too!

Actually I do believe him. Nissan/Infinity are known for making very nice V6 engines. Just look at the new G35C with 298 hp. I said earlier that the guy with the TT G35C was making 377 @ 8.5 psi, but it's actually 5.5 psi (which is his street driving setup)

I heard about a guy on another website making 377whp @ 5.5 psi with his G35C.

I don't have an example for a G35C, but this guy is making 419 whp at 6.2 and I believe around 400 at wheels at 5.5 psi. There's no doubt in my mind that the G35s can do it.

http://photos.imageevent.com/shawnsef/miscstuff/Turbo%2001.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/shawnsef/miscstuff/Turbo%2002.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/shawnsef/miscstuff/Turbo%2003.jpg

That guy actually raced the 377 whp G35 and it was close until 3rd gear where the CLS pulled away.

The WS6 goes to school with me and the supercharged G35 is a friend of mine
Wait a minute didn't he say supercharged G35 not turbocharged?

So that is why I said it does not seem possible to get that whp with 5.5psi on a supercharger with a G35.

well seemed like a fun race. That being said:




WTF 140mph trough an intersection, are you guys insane???? Let me give some very likelly events:

1.The light turns red, you have no way no stop for it and you hit a car crossing on green. Both dead at that speed.

Also 2 options if the light stays green:

2. Somebody from the oncoming lanes sees you rather far away decides to make a left turn since they will asume to have enough time. Of course at 140mph the speed is so high you'll be on them in a sec. And again both dead at that speed.

3. Same as above but in this case somebody will make a right turn at the red light into your lane. And for the third time the events will most likelly lead to death.

All those are just legal regular traffic events that other motorists do all the time but with you traveling at such speeds it can very likelly prove fatal.

The third case almost happened to me, I was about to make a legal right and of course i check for cars. All i saw were two cop cars far away. Well i started to proceed and turn but for some reason i did a double take and both cars were now only yards away due to the insane speed they were traveling at. Only thing that saved me was that double take and a quick brake.



So people exercise some restraint in steet racing: Empty streets and speeds that can be managed.