Son Of A B!tch

i think i'm quite possibly the unluckiest person on the planet when it comes to gambling. the fridge is already stocked for friday, so i used the left over $$$ to play hold em. i bought in for $5, everyone else was buying in for $10. was up to about $10 (i play conservative as hell, so that's pretty good) when the fun started.

i get my first really good hand of the night...pocket queens. i'm obviously gonna play this one, so i bet $2. the dude next to me puts me all in, so i obviously do it (he has a lot more than me, so it wasn't automatically a pocket pair). then the dude next to him calls too. at this point i'm mildly worried, but it's a good hand so i'm not too freaked. then everyone flips the cards.

i have my queens, the 3rd guy has kings and the dude next to me has rockets. highest community card is a jack so i lost with fucking pocket queens. this is when my anger management, or lack there of, took over and i put a pretty good sized dent in the table (not a poker table, not breaking anything expensive).

i sware to god i have the shittest luck of anybody that's ever laid eyes on a deck of cards. i lost an all in with pocket kings a few weeks ago and now this. time to go break some more shit.

lol

You should read a few books on Hold Em and Poker theory. Then you'll see that luck is a factor but not the difference between a good player and a bad one.

2+2 Publishings is a great place to start when looking for books on poker and poker theory.

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Learn to play cards. Seems stupid to bet money when you know you're gonna lose.

zb...i'm not that much of a gambling addict...i just play for fun. once in a while i'll win, but the dudes i play with play online for real $$ every day, so they manage to beat me most times

oz...gambling is far from a problem...i've lost maybe $15 since august...i usually just deal (too poor), but i had a few extra dollars today so i figured what the hell.

kill...i know how to play cards. i was doing better than normal tonight, i just caught the shit end of the stick on this particular hand. plus, what are the chances of 2 guys getting kings and aces the same hand i got queens. its not that i'm not good, the card gods just decided to shit on me tonight.

zb...i'm not that much of a gambling addict...i just play for fun. once in a while i'll win, but the dudes i play with play online for real $$ every day, so they manage to beat me most times



Long Post. Don't quote it.

I never said anything about you being an addict. That was OZ. I don't care if you do play for fun at home. If you wanna improve your game you have to learn how to properly play it first. Poker itself is a simple game. Anyone can learn and play it. Its knowing what cards to play from what position your in and understanding your opponents play, that will determine the outcome of your game.

So your friends play online. That doesn't mean squat. Maybe they do read and study up on poker and take all they've learn in and put it to use. Maybe they do neither. Maybe they just play to play. I've played online and there are many people out there who don't have a clue as to what they're doing. Maybe your friends fit into that catorgory. Maybe not. Bottom line is, just because they play online doesn't mean they're any better than you.

I play ring games (limit Hold 'Em) mostly. No Limit is the same game but altogther different. There are some basics that apply to both games. Here are a few off the top of my head.

First and foremost, you make money off of others mistakes.

Know what cards to play.
Monster hands: AA and KK (raise these hands preflop no matter what position your in. Its not always the best idea to go all in with them though. A great poker player once said, " Pocket Aces are good for winning small pots and for losing a lot of money. See the flop with these cards.)

Excellent hands: QQ, JJ, AK suited, AQ suited, AK offsuit, AQ offsuit, AJ suited, A 10 suited
(these hands are to be raised as well)

Good hands: AJ offsuit, A 10 offsuit, KQ suited, KQ offsuit, QJ suited, QJ offsuit , K 10 suited, K 10 offsuit, Q 10 suited, Q 10 offsuit, 10 10
(these hands can be raised but table position is a big factor on whether to raise or not)

Marginal hands: 99, 88 and below, J10 suited and off suit, 10 9 offsuit and suited, 89 suited and offsuit. Connectors (A2), one off connectors (10 8), and 2 off connectors (A3) can be played from late postion, but off suited connectors are weaker hands then suited ones. (once again, table postition should determine whether you play these hands or not)

Crappy hands: Everything else that wasn't mentioned. Throw it away. Many people will play Ace, anycard, just cause they have an Ace. Problem is your opponents may also have and Ace but with a better kicker. So when your dealt Ace 7 off suit, throw it away.

One mistake a lot of players make is playing any 2 suited cards. Bad move. The best you can hope for is a flush. Your odds of making a flush on the flop is about 3%. Same 3% goes for your pocket pair to make trips.

Know when to play and what cards to play, as to what position your in.

What is position?

Basically you wanna be the last person to act (after the flop). Being in last position (closest to the button) gives you all sorts of information about your opponents. Who is betting? Who is raising? What does the flop look like? Is it coordinated with a straight or flush/draw or are there 2 pair (ie 7 7 K)? Are there any over cards (ie, Ace, King, Queen, etc). Everyone who bets before you is giving away information. By being in last position you are able to put them on hands. And getting an idea of what hands they play let you know if you should fold or not. And folding is half the battle.

Being in early position, small/big blind and under the gun, is the worst postion. You should be folding about 90% of your hands in early position, unless you are dealt a Monster or Excellent hand.

Know when to fold.

If you have over cards and the flop comes 5 8 2, chances are you should fold. Especially if there is a lot of betting and raising. Fold when the flop completely misses your hand. If there is no betting or just one bet, call it and see the turn. If your hand does not improve, fold. Sure you may see that the river brought you that Ace or King you needed, but chances are you'd prolly be beat by 2 pair, trips, or maybe a straight/flush.

As for your situation you gave about gettin beat with QQ to AA (and KK). Seems like you were in early postition, being first to act. I would have raised with QQ but when your opponents went all in I would have folded. QQ is an excellent hand but it can be easily beat. You gotta think, what hands are worth going all in with? AA and KK. No one goes all in with AK cause AK is a drawing hand. Powerfull but can miss the board completely. People with raise AK and see it to the flop. Some make the common mistake of taking it to the river, while giving up a lot of their chips, and get beat.

One last thing. Don't get blinded by your hand. Look at the board and try to put your opponents on hands. I used to make this mistake. I would only see what hand I made but never thought about what hands my opponents are playing. Most of the time I was beat when we turned over our cards.

Go buy a book. Read up on Hold 'Em. Give yourself an edge. If your gonna do something, do it right. Stop getting beat. Don't get pissed when you make mistakes and get beat. Theres a lot more to the game than meets the eye.

Knowing how to properly play the game does not make you an addict. Its make you a smarter player. Spending your rent money just to play qualifies you as an addict or soon to be addict.

you got that pissed over losing a hand in poker? your not addicted to gambling. You need anger management.

so you lost $5 and you are bitching about it? I went to vegas last weekend and i dropped 2 bills. one of my friends dropped 5.

LOL all this over $5

Thats a throw away, you're just playing for fun.

Try going to the casino, if you go to play with anything less than like $100 people will laugh at you. And a $100 is still low

I know a bunch of asian drug dealers that drop thousands just at their home games.


so you lost $5 and you are bitching about it? I went to vegas last weekend and i dropped 2 bills. one of my friends dropped 5.

LOL exactly... and even $200-$500 is chump change in Vegas

LOL all this over $5
Try going to the casino, if you go to play with anything less than like $100 people will laugh at you. And a $100 is still low



Not true at all. Where there is Texas Hold 'Em at a casino theres low limit/no limit games such as 1/2, 2/4, and 3/6. With these games you could play with at least $40, but to have $100 in chips is the best way to go about it. I don't see this guy ever playing higher games such as 5/10, 9/18, 10/20, or 30/60 where you won't even get to play with $100.

What his post is about is not losing a little money but losing an excellent hand. Some may call it a bad beat but it doesn't really qualify as one. Anyway, I feel his pain to lose a hand I thought was gonna win, or had excellent odds to win.

At least he lost to a better hand. Theres nothing worse than losing a great hand to someone playing a junk hand and through some mircle they win. Now thats a bad beat.

hey...when you're as broke as me, $5 is a big deal...that's a friday or saturday without beer.

and BTW...jesus tapdancing christ zb...i'm hoping you didn't type that all out for my sake.

edit: whoever said i need anger management is right

Just save the $5 and spend it on beer.

Just save the $5 and spend it on beer.

YEAH! :cheers:

Hell - I pull in a six figure salary and I get bummed if I lose five bucks.

I'd say watch the deal; if they're beating your good hands consistently, then maybe the game isn't straight.

anybody seen Rounders? Just watched that moie yesterday and it was about texas hold 'em. Good movie.

I'd say watch the deal; if they're beating your good hands consistently, then maybe the game isn't straight.

the deals are fine. one kid tried cheating earlier in the year and 3 of my friends that were playing kicked his ass. plus all these guys are cool and wouldn't cheat. i just got the shit end of the stick on this hand

hey...when you're as broke as me, $5 is a big deal...that's a friday or saturday without beer.

and BTW...jesus tapdancing christ zb...i'm hoping you didn't type that all out for my sake.

edit: whoever said i need anger management is right

lol, yeah man. I was trying to give ya some poker advice.


"Jesus tapdancing Christ".. lmao

yeah man, your friends are cheating you for your 5 bucks. And hey man, how the hell can a good hand lose to a crappy hand? WTF? Thats like.. impossible right? Unless you just dont know the rules and they tell you a pair is better than a royal flush, and sorry buddy you lose your 5 bucks. How else can you lose a good hand to a crappy one?
and back to you rollar, you say you are conservative, so I assume you dont do a whole lot of big bets. You only bet when you think you will win right? so you fold a lot. So the only winning hands you are concerned with are the ones that beat you. Do you ever look at what hands your friends lose with, and what they lose to? I bet if you paid more attention you would realize that you cant just make one bet, and get pissed off and break shit. If I was your friend, and you acted like that all the time, I'd be like.. fuck it.. hes ungreatful for the money he wins and he has no respect for the game... fuck him, I dont wanna gamble with him anymore. Which may lead to them cheating you depending on their moral compasses. Just kinda... grow up. If you arent willing to lose your money on what is called a GAMBLE, then dont GAMBLE your money.

Rick












Gamble.

and back to you rollar, you say you are conservative, so I assume you dont do a whole lot of big bets. You only bet when you think you will win right? so you fold a lot. So the only winning hands you are concerned with are the ones that beat you. Do you ever look at what hands your friends lose with, and what they lose to? I bet if you paid more attention you would realize that you cant just make one bet, and get pissed off and break shit. If I was your friend, and you acted like that all the time, I'd be like.. fuck it.. hes ungreatful for the money he wins and he has no respect for the game... fuck him, I dont wanna gamble with him anymore. Which may lead to them cheating you depending on their moral compasses. Just kinda... grow up. If you arent willing to lose your money on what is called a GAMBLE, then dont GAMBLE your money.

dude...i didn't go all in by myself...i bet a decent amount and got raised to all in. seeing as how it was a hell of a hand, i went for it and lost. and compared to the rest of my friends i'm one of the calmer ones. several chairs have been thrown down the hall and a microwave even went out the window one time (that was slightly alcohol induced, but that's neither here nor there)

And hey man, how the hell can a good hand lose to a crappy hand? WTF? Thats like.. impossible right? Unless you just dont know the rules and they tell you a pair is better than a royal flush, and sorry buddy you lose your 5 bucks. How else can you lose a good hand to a crappy one?


its called bluffing and folding ;)

oh yeah.

Crappy hands: Everything else that wasn't mentioned. Throw it away. Many people will play Ace, anycard, just cause they have an Ace. Problem is your opponents may also have and Ace but with a better kicker. So when your dealt Ace 7 off suit, throw it away.

I disagree... I'd keep a A-7 just to see the flop. I wouldnt throw it away right away

I've gotten full houses from hands like that, once right off the flop too

And if you're playing home games with less than 6 people you can win alot of hands with just a high pair

And if you're playing home games with less than 6 people you can win alot of hands with just a high pair

haha...might i direct your attention to the first post in this thread :biggrin:

haha...might i direct your attention to the first post in this thread :biggrin:


obviously 1 pair isnt that good... I didnt say it'll win all the time. But sometimes nobody has anything and 1 pair wins it

Thats why you have to know when to fold, if you only have 1 pair and theres good cards on the table and people are betting like crazy, you have to read them. One pair aint shit alot of the time, so you have to know when to fold