Pictures of my sleeper.

Since I have had some PM's over the whole "sleeper" fiasco. (allthough I really wasnt aiming to come off as rude)

Here is my definition of a sleeper. Yep, looks like pretty much every-other civic out there:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/kris/kris/misc_stuff/F20B/DSCN3355.JPG
http://www.automotiveforums.com/kris/kris/misc_stuff/F20B/DSCN3354.JPG
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjIxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjE2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

I ran low 12's all day in that. Are 12's fast? Depends on the car I say. Fast for a civic, slow for a built V8. But that's the advantage over four more pistons. No, it is not a "stock" motor either. And yes, I am biased towards civics.

Here is my purple Si.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjM2NzUwNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

Is my Si I have now fast? By all means no, it is quite the terd. But it is quiet, rides nice, and has power everything. It sure is great on a long commute as well.

Am I anti domestic? Nope. I am currently helping my father-in-law restore a SS impala. with a blown 283. And someday, I will find my 71' Chevelle I am searching for. I enjoy working on all cars, whether domestic, import, or rust-bucket. I also enjoy lining up against any car. Even If I know without a doubt I will lose.

Do I race my Si? Not really. I do have a 75 shot kit on there, to surprise the un-suspecting punk kid, whether they are in a civic, or a mustang.

We all have our preferances in vehicles. I have mine, you all have yours. But all in all, I meant no disrespect. So please, stop the PM's. :)

Now you my friend are what I call a car nut. I get tired of the "I hate import's or domestic" guys as were all car nuts or we wouldn't be here. Glad to hear someone likes all cars like I do.
That is one nice killer sleeper. My first love is a sleeper, love to catch them with there pants down.:evillol:

Nice, you can always appreciate a 12 sec. Civic when it blows by you, when you are racing.

Nice Civic. Im not a huge sleeper fan, I just happen to like somewhat flashy cars (if they can back it up), but yours look good. I like the black one, what have you done to it.

I like your civics. Both of them are nice. What engine do you have in the black civic? What turbo, how much boost?

HA HA!! Thanks for the tip off kris! I have foiled your plans for a sleeper. I have now just printed 50K of these and I am now going to distribute them all over Utah. MWAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA :naughty: !!!


http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/232382Beware-med.jpg


Nice rides. Talk about a sleeper there. I love both of your Civics. 12's. I envy you. Wanna give me some tips with my Civ? :lol: Late...

NIce.

Now you my friend are what I call a car nut. I get tired of the "I hate import's or domestic" guys as were all car nuts or we wouldn't be here. Glad to hear someone likes all cars like I do.
That is one nice killer sleeper. My first love is a sleeper, love to catch them with there pants down.:evillol:


exactly, this is why we made a rule against Iports Vs Domestic cars in the Car Comparioson section. We were really getting sick of BS overgeneralizations like domestics are 1/4 mile cars and imports for handling not to mention the ridiculous hate.

For my next car I was actually thinking of a hybrid half american half japanse by dropping an LS1 into a FD RX7. I think its a perfect match, the LS1 is light and compact so it will not be a polar mometum nightmare not to mention that its capable of serious power and reliability while the RX7 has a wonderfull chassis. And i could not care less that its not JDM or pure domestic.

I like your civics. Both of them are nice. What engine do you have in the black civic? What turbo, how much boost?

there is no turbo in it. as you can see from the exhuast side of the engine, its just headers, and no turbo manifold and turbo on it along with no front mount intercooler. this car is strictly n/a with raised compression and cams probraby since he says its not internally stock.

sweet rides. nice to see a good looking civic (or two), wish there were more of those aournd my place.

I'll have a sleeper someday. My dream sleeper is a rattly old half primer colored bmw e30 with unfinished bondo work on the outside, with a twin turbo lexus V8 under the hood. Now THAT would be a sleeper.

Another generalazation. Imports aren't fast without boost.
I think building cars N/A is the way to go, It's just, "cooler" when you have a real fast car, that isn't boosted :P

Anyhow, nice Civic, real clean.
But. How come all the civics that are actually fast, look almost completely stock? WTF is up with that? :tongue:

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjIxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

:eek: IS THAT AN H22 I SEE!

Nice black Civic, I like it alot. I dont like sleepers, but only cause when you look in your mirror to see where they are it turns out there in front of you....

I think it's an f20b IIRC you had it for sale a while ago didnt you?

i'd like some more info on the motor... not hating, but low 12's n/a with a civic... i'm just kind of curious... If you are pulling those numbers, then major props to you... I'd just like to know how... My brother has an 00 EX and he would like to make it fast if possible... If it can be done n/a, that would please my domestic ass even more... :lol:

BTW, if it is running 12's, no matter what anyone tells ya, that's fast... Sure, not fast for pro stock, but a 12 sec street car is very formittable...

Thanks,
-Garrett

i don't think he said it ran low 12's, but its very possible he would be touching high 12's all day.

I think building cars N/A is the way to go, It's just, "cooler" when you have a real fast car, that isn't boosted :P




see this is something I'll never understand, beside some high reving rush of some NA motors and a linear powerband I don't see the point of NA engines. Turbos are by far the most efficient way to acheive power increasing the engine eficiency, and they give they have their own fun moments. So is it considered cooler to go the hard way and stay NA. Just as an analogy I don't see anyone being considered cooler if they would run the 100M dash at the olympics with army boots.

That's a nice looking civic hatch. Before I bought my mustang I wanted a turbo'd B18C1 hatch. But, I just don't like FWD. And anyone who says 12s aren't fast obviously hasn't ever drove a 12 second car.

i don't think he said it ran low 12's, but its very possible he would be touching high 12's all day.

Look just above the pic of the purple si... :) He says "low 12's all day"...

see this is something I'll never understand, beside some high reving rush of some NA motors and a linear powerband I don't see the point of NA engines.
its a kinda magic man
Kris nice sleeper but the cover is blown :icon16:

haha please keep the sleeper out of canada, your gonna cause some 17 year old thug-wannabee kids to question the worth of their life (and their civic) if you smoke them as badly as you would!

I agree with Neutrino however on the turbo thing. Its technology for you to use, its not like a crime to the car to add boost. so why not use it? then again im running na...but not by choice

i'd like some more info on the motor... not hating, but low 12's n/a with a civic... i'm just kind of curious... If you are pulling those numbers, then major props to you... I'd just like to know how... My brother has an 00 EX and he would like to make it fast if possible... If it can be done n/a, that would please my domestic ass even more... :lol:

BTW, if it is running 12's, no matter what anyone tells ya, that's fast... Sure, not fast for pro stock, but a 12 sec street car is very formittable...

Thanks,
-Garrett

That motor, alone, and stock (the H22 200HP/156TQ), can drop the 2200lb Civic Si hatch it's in to mid-high 13's.

He did say the motor is "not stock".

Grade-school math can equate that, can it?

So...that's TWO AF mods you've called out today...nice.

He's just begging to get banned. :disappoin

That's a nice looking civic hatch. Before I bought my mustang I wanted a turbo'd B18C1 hatch. But, I just don't like FWD. And anyone who says 12s aren't fast obviously hasn't ever drove a 12 second car.
or a 12sec truck....Feels like driving a tank at excessive speeds.

im working to get a the original corvette...im goin to put intake and turbo if it's applicable and make it fast

What did I miss here? You got P.Ms for your comments on my "sleeper" post? I could tell by your post that you didn't care about it, so I could have seen why you posted what you did. Didn't bother me one bit. You have any video clips of the civic running 12s? I would like to check that out. Disclaimer- No this is not a call out, I've just never seen a low 12 sec civic on all motor and no type of FI. I figure it can be done with a car that weighs about what my truck does, if you cut it in two.

There is this guy that used to live around here with a civic hatch....plain silver, no decals, some aftermarket rims and exhaust, that's it...only he had a B16A with a GReddy turbo kit...has a slip for 11.7...crazy stuff.

There is this guy that used to live around here with a civic hatch....plain silver, no decals, some aftermarket rims and exhaust, that's it...only he had a B16A with a GReddy turbo kit...has a slip for 11.7...crazy stuff.

That's the imports I like.... The ones that aren't trying to "look" fast, they just perform!!!! We have alot of fast CRXs here, but most of them are completely stripped and, by the looks of them, all the money was spent on performance parts. :icon16:
When guys spend WAY too much money at Autozone buying crap to "look" like the fast and furious cars, it doesn't bother me...whatever floats their boat. But it DOES bother me when these guys ride around all night spinning tires around me, revving their "stock" motors with exhaust pipes when I'm parked, and talking complete bullsh&^ to people about how they would smoke me,etc, then refuse to race me when I call them out. Something is always "wrong" with their car when I call them out. Go Figure....
Anyway, there are tons of Autozone and Advance "sponsored" imports running around here, so that's why I'm curious to see a fast civic. These guys have ruined my image of what they could be, so I want to renew my faith in the civics.

whoa..are you sure it was a B16A with just a greddy kit? It must have been totally gutted and had something else.

If you turbocharged your Civic, when would boost kick in? I've heard it kicks in at 6k or 6.5k rpm or something like that...


I have no automotive knowledge at all...I'm just curious

depends on how big the turbo is; among other things.

I can't remember, it wasn't just a greddy turbo slapped on a stock b16, he either had internal work done, or a small shot of nitrous, I don't recall, it was a long time ago.

He would have to be gutted, have drag radials, have internal work, AND a good shot of nitrous for mid 11s.

He would have to be gutted, have drag radials, have internal work, AND a good shot of nitrous for mid 11s.

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536884

Yeah, but he was saying with an off the shelf greddy turbo kit.

If you turbocharged your Civic, when would boost kick in? I've heard it kicks in at 6k or 6.5k rpm or something like that...


I have no automotive knowledge at all...I'm just curious

Generally it depends on the size if the turbo and how much air your engine moves. The smaller the turbo and the more air you move the faster the turbo will spool.

I remember the thread, but personally dont recall saying a civic couldnt be a sleeper. All I remember is thinking that slow's truck was in fact a sleeper - the sound. I believe the cowl hood didnt grab my attention. However your black civic is nice. Keep up the good work.

Lil known fact I can share after seeing Dampachi's post: I too, was deciding between a used RSX-S and used Mustang GT. I think I made the better choice since it would take alil work to get into the GT's times, which although can be done for lil money, would still be more expensive then getting the used GT.

i like the black civic too, i'm thinking for a project though that a K24 accord engine w/ a K20A2 head on it in the same hatch would be even better, granted i have the money to do nothing right now so i'll stop

btw awesome civic and keep it up, the ricers around here piss me off too, but ur civic isn't anything like theirs

i like the black civic too, i'm thinking for a project though that a K24 accord engine w/ a K20A2 head on it in the same hatch would be even better, granted i have the money to do nothing right now so i'll stop

If you ever go through with the project, let me know; btw, the k24 out of a tsx and a k20a(r) head would be a better option.

If you ever go through with the project, let me know; btw, the k24 out of a tsx and a k20a(r) head would be a better option.
Where the hell have you been? Havnt seen you on here in a bit.

haha, high rev..you and I came out and admitted we both wanted imports at one time.

BTW Kris, NICE Civic. Don't be too down on the Si, I owned one and they're quick for their purpose. With the 75 shot, it would get the job done, and as you said, great for trips. That hatch is insane. I would be ever so happy to have my doors blown off by you anytime. Great job. :bigthumb:

Where the hell have you been? Havnt seen you on here in a bit.

Took a nice long winter vacation. Don't worry though, i'm here to stay. :thumbsup:

Took a nice long winter vacation. Don't worry though, i'm here to stay. :thumbsup:
Good

haha, high rev..you and I came out and admitted we both wanted imports at one time.
Well if you think about it, neither of us ever really said anything anti-import on these boards. Im not sure about you, but the extent of my import bashing has been stereotyping civics.

Well, I don't bash imports either..but we're both mustang guys is what I meant.

Oh I understood you, just saying we dont really fit the mustang - stereotype of "I own the fastest car, cause im a domestic stang!!!!!"

Have there been any noobs around lately? Its been so long since my last ownage.

Well I DO know this from experence.

'89 1800lb CRX + H22 JDM * 12.3:1 Compression Pistons / Stand Alone Performance tuned ECU + I/E/H + 101 Octane - Driver with Large Kahuna's^3 * 15x8 rims in the front with very stickey rubber + Hardwork*10^23 - some hweel spin out of the trap = 11.92 @ 132mph.

15x6's all around + Strut tower bar * sway bar = Friggen awsome FWD road racer....

Have there been any noobs around lately? Its been so long since my last ownage.
lol

As for slips, movies, etc. Currently I have access to none. Pretty much all my belongings, except clothes and a little bit of other stuff are all packed up in storage, as we await our new house to be built.

Some numbers on the F20B. It is kind of unknown what the exact HP number is in stock form. It ranges from 205 to 225, with TQ sitting at 165. The motor is 11:1 compression stock, and can come with a LSD trans. I was sitting at about 12:1 and I was running with Skunk2 Stage 2 cams, type S intake manifold (honda guys should know what that is) lightweight flywheel, with a insane 4 puck unsprung clutch. The car on track days, would weigh just shy of 2100lbs. Yes, that was gutted, and a open header. But hey, it was track day.

The car on track days, would weigh just shy of 2100lbs.
2....1....0.....0....?
Omg, my gt weighs about 3,200. Thats like feather weight.

Including driver?!

Mine weighed in at 4500lbs at the track the last time I was there(race weight). I've since changed out the stock seats for the racing seats, so I should be dancing around 4400lbs, give or take a few. Yeah, its a brick, I know.... :biggrin:

Generally it depends on the size if the turbo and how much air your engine moves. The smaller the turbo and the more air you move the faster the turbo will spool.

right....the type of info I need. Thanks very much! :)

I like it alot. That civic would definitely suprise its share of pretenders. I assume your quarter was done with nitrous assist. Probably pretty good fuel economy too.

Some cars can be suprisingly light. 2100 lbs = passenger kills your power-weight (just kidding!). Trucks tend to be real heavy.

My '78 Mont, finally getting finished, weighs around 2600 lbs with a 306, C6 trans, and 8.8 posi rear end. Horsepower is in the 320 range. Similar power to weight.

It baby blue with a cracked vinyl top, f-ugly. Just a driver seat and no heat or anything.

My '72 Cutlass, despite being a 3800 lb car, is on its way to the 12's as well. 455 ci motor w/ 500+ ft/lbs of torque moves it along quite well.

Sleepers come in many flavors, but they all taste bad to people in flashy cars getting spanked by them.

Rock on!

Sleepers come in many flavors, but they all taste bad to people in flashy cars getting spanked by them.

Rock on!

Well spoken!

hey slowprocess what do you think my truck would run........3600 lbs.....est. 300hp (crank) 350
shitty gearing 3.08s 295/50r/15 tires

i'm guessing high 14's as long as i could hook up what do yout think?

hey slowprocess what do you think my truck would run........3600 lbs.....est. 300hp (crank) 350
shitty gearing 3.08s 295/50r/15 tires

i'm guessing high 14's as long as i could hook up what do yout think?

That's about what I would guess, traction permitting. I bet it has a hell of a top end with those gears, huh? Does it break loose pretty easy at a hard launch? You should have enough tire there to get a decent launch, and those gears should help out as well. Judging by that horsepower to weight, I would say mid/low 14s are definately possible.
BTW, I must say that is a CLEAN truck you have there! Nice job! :smile:

. I assume your quarter was done with nitrous assist.


No nitrous, just all motor.
ET-12.3
Trap Speed-111.9
60' time-1.955
Tires-M&H 23x8x13

That's about what I would guess, traction permitting. I bet it has a hell of a top end with those gears, huh? Does it break loose pretty easy at a hard launch? You should have enough tire there to get a decent launch, and those gears should help out as well. Judging by that horsepower to weight, I would say mid/low 14s are definately possible.
BTW, I must say that is a CLEAN truck you have there! Nice job! :smile:

Hey thanks man........well right now I just have the stock one wheel peel so launching is an adventure. Hopefully soon though I"ll have 3.73's and an LSD.