Si vs. GTS???

I have a 99 Civic SiR (from Canada) and my friend in his 00 Celica GTS wants to run them sometime. I was wondering if you think I could beat him with my current mods:
AEM CAI, Greddy Evo, NX 35 shot?
I plan on getting a new clutch soon which will help out a lot, along with a flywheel. So let me know if you think I would win or close or what? Thanx

Simply put, yes.

close one, itll prob come down to which one of yall can drive better, but i bet u can take him.

Yes you'll beat him with no problem.

if ive been able to edge out a few of them, with just CAI, and shortshifter, you should be able to take him without too much problem. especially with the 35 shot

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
close one, itll prob come down to which one of yall can drive better, but i bet u can take him.

he has 35 shot nitrous that makes him most likely to win cuz the GTS has a six ahhh yea it has a six speed gear box but with 35 shot nitrous you're more likely to win


and why is it everyone just asks whether or not they'll beat them where are the actual stories this is getting random

Aren't the Canadian SiR's SOHC Vtec? If they are then he's gonna get his a$$ handed to him by the GT-S.

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Aren't the Canadian SiR's SOHC Vtec? If they are then he's gonna get his a$$ handed to him by the GT-S.

Your thinking of the Canadian Si's, they are equivilent to the US's EX. But the SiR in Canada is a B16A2, DOHC VTEC which is the same as the US Si.

Well dude, to put it simply you're going to lose, maybe not by a lot, but you ARE going to lose. The Celica GTS runs 0-60 in 6.8; compared to the Si's/SiR's 7.1 0-60, it might seem like a close race, but the GTS has a really fukked up torque curve, so it's 0-60 isn't that great, but once it gets into third gear lift, it tears up pretty much anything in its way. Your car runs 15.7 stock, the Celica GTS runs 14.8. I seriously doubt a 35 shot of nitrous oxide will pull you down a whole second. Oh and basic mods like intake, header and exhaust don't do squat unless you have a built head. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about because I raced my friend's Civic Si against a GTS, my friend's Civic Si has intake, header, exhaust, and a Crower cam kit with cams and Yamame cam gears, you're looking about 185-190 hp to the flywheel, the GTS rocked me by about 3 car lengths, and I AM a good driver before you talk trash. I jumped the GTS by about 2 car lengths off the line, I thought I would have him but he caught up rather quickly in third gear.

Then how have i walked on a few of them?

Motor Trend has the GT-S running 7.3 0-60 and 15.5 in the 1/4. whered the 14.8 come from?

Originally posted by kidrocket
Motor Trend has the GT-S running 7.3 0-60 and 15.5 in the 1/4. whered the 14.8 come from?

Yeh i don't think they run 14's either?

Originally posted by kidrocket
Motor Trend has the GT-S running 7.3 0-60 and 15.5 in the 1/4. whered the 14.8 come from?

I've read the Sport Compact Car comparo they had that had the GT-S running a 14.9...but that's it. For perspective, in that same comparo, the TypeR, which runs between a 14.8 to a 15.2 in different publications, ran a 14.5 in this test.

The catch is in the gearing. The GT-S' gearing is not optimized to keep the engine in it's "sweet spot" like most Hondas are. Most street racers are not gonna totally flog their cars, which is why I kept up with my friend's '00 GT-S until third gear in my LX. To get the best acceleration out of the GT-S, you literally have to bounce off of the rev-limiter. If you ever meet a well-heeled idiot who cares more about winning than his engine, watch out.

Oh, Corolla guy...whatsup man? You don't have to lie to defend your chosen manufacturer...

I noticed a couple of things that need to be clarified:

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Oh and basic mods like intake, header and exhaust don't do squat unless you have a built head.

Uhm...so all those magazines that compare these bolt-ons with dyno charts are lying? What about the Import Tuner power pages? We need to sue Greddy/DC Sports/Various others for false advertising man!

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about because I raced my friend's Civic Si against a GTS, my friend's Civic Si has intake, header, exhaust, and a Crower cam kit with cams and Yamame cam gears, you're looking about 185-190 hp to the flywheel, the GTS rocked me by about 3 car lengths, and I AM a good driver before you talk trash. I jumped the GTS by about 2 car lengths off the line, I thought I would have him but he caught up rather quickly in third gear.

What year Si? If you are talking about the '92 to '95 Si hatchbacks, that MIGHT be believable. If you are talking about the '99 to '00 Si's, you slowed down and allowed your friend to do a ricer flyby...or you are not as good a driver as you think. Please don't go immature on your reply, and think I am insulting you...I just don't find your statements very believable...and I don't think anyone else does.

you should have a good chance si. and if you spray spray soon and don't let go. lol. don't let him catch up.

carrrnut, immature seems to be written all over your mouth. If you really knew a lot about Honda, then you'd know that when you drop cams on a B16A, and you don't have an ECU, it cuts your rev limiter from 8000 to 7000, so after you get cams, you drop down below the sweet spot when you shift gears. Oh and if you knew about Toyota, you'd know that the 2000-2001 Celica GTS's don't have a premature rev limiter like the 2002's. The 00-01's run up to 8000, leaving you in the "sweet spot", if that's what YOU call it, everytime you shift after first gear... But the 2002's have a 7700 rpm limiter, which cuts off your acceleration time. And the GTS that Motor Trend... Guess what? It had a premature rev limiter. Sports Compact Car compared the Celica GTS to the RSX Type S, well it didn't compare them, but it had those two and six other cars reviewed. The Celica GTS ran 8.1 0-60 and the 1/4 in 15.7, and it had a glitchy ecu that cut it off at 7500 RPM. If you want to say I let him cut in front of me, say it... Say it like you were actually there, but we'll all know that you WEREN'T there, you DONT know what happened, and you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Oh yeah and my friends' Si has 23,000 miles on it, it's a 2000, and he hasn't had his valves readjusted ever, and he raced that car since the day he got it. He lost to the same GTS but by a little more than I did, are you going to tell me that he gave up to? Oh yeah and I raced the GTS for 20 dollars, and if you think I'm dumb enough to lose 20 dollars on purpose just to support a manufacturer that I was forced into business with, then you really do have immature written all over your mouth, and other parts of you for all it matters.

And why is it that toyota put that rev-limiter there. Possibly because toyota wanted a high revving engine like the honda's, but did a shitty job of doing it. So you get all these people revving the piss out of their little engines that could and blowing them. That is why my friend's maching shop was seeing at least 1 of those heads inthere every month for new valves and surfacing etc. from the dealer. Maybe it's not such a good thing to have an engine that needs a beating to be halfway fast, but isn't designed well enough to take the beating??

are you talking about rev limiter or redline? the civic Si has redline of 8000 i dunno what the rev limiter kicks in at

What I said:

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Please don't go immature on your reply, and think I am insulting you...

How you replied:

Originally posted by S2Corolla
carrrnut, immature seems to be written all over your mouth. If you really knew a lot about Honda, then you'd know that when you drop cams on a B16A, and you don't have an ECU, it cuts your rev limiter from 8000 to 7000, so after you get cams, you drop down below the sweet spot when you shift gears. Oh and if you knew about Toyota, you'd know that the 2000-2001 Celica GTS's don't have a premature rev limiter like the 2002's. The 00-01's run up to 8000, leaving you in the "sweet spot", if that's what YOU call it, everytime you shift after first gear... But the 2002's have a 7700 rpm limiter, which cuts off your acceleration time. And the GTS that Motor Trend... Guess what? It had a premature rev limiter. Sports Compact Car compared the Celica GTS to the RSX Type S, well it didn't compare them, but it had those two and six other cars reviewed. The Celica GTS ran 8.1 0-60 and the 1/4 in 15.7, and it had a glitchy ecu that cut it off at 7500 RPM. If you want to say I let him cut in front of me, say it... Say it like you were actually there, but we'll all know that you WEREN'T there, you DONT know what happened, and you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Oh yeah and my friends' Si has 23,000 miles on it, it's a 2000, and he hasn't had his valves readjusted ever, and he raced that car since the day he got it. He lost to the same GTS but by a little more than I did, are you going to tell me that he gave up to? Oh yeah and I raced the GTS for 20 dollars, and if you think I'm dumb enough to lose 20 dollars on purpose just to support a manufacturer that I was forced into business with, then you really do have immature written all over your mouth, and other parts of you for all it matters.

Read this: April 2000 issue of Sport Compact Car, page 136. 2001 Celica GT-S, redline, 7800RPMs. FYI, when they say redline, the magazine is referring to the fuel cut-off. Just like when they talk about the S2000's "high 9000RPM redline". We all know the S2000 cuts-off at 9000RPMs stock. I don't know where you get your info from, but I've driven my friend's 2000 GT-S, and 7700 to 7800RPM is EXACTLY where the fuel cuts-off. Besides, it's NOT about how high a car can redline. It's about the gearing. After you reach the car's 7600RPM power peak and pass it, shifting brings you down past the "VTEC" or in this case the "VVT-i" point because of the gearing. Also, I've never installed cams personally on my own cars, but I have friends that have, and I've never heard of having to get the ECU to get the old redline back. An ECU to optimize everything and INCREASE the STOCK redline, but not because the redline fell. All of you who have installed cams, any of you experience this? I might just be talking out of my ass, and this actually occurs, if so clarify this and I'll apologize profusely, but otherwise, I'll talk only about what I know and have seen.

How does installing a cam drop the rev limiter??

the gts has approx 195 at the flywheel stock, and you have 160+35shot+other mods you have. If his car is stock and you are =drivers, then you should win

honda junkie, horsepower isn't everything. A GSR has 170 hp to the flywheel, and a 5.0 Mustang has 215 hp and 290 lbs. ft. torque, and yet the GSR takes the 5.0.
The Celica GTS has beautiful gearing and a 6 speed transmission, along with excellent suspension, you have to look at the times... A DOHC Vtec SiR get's the quarter in 15.7, and the GTS gets it in 14.8, now a 35 shot of nitrous isn't going to drop your times by .9 second. Maybe if you got a port and polish + valve job and a cam kit, you'll take him out without nos.