Future of GM

What the hell is up with GM. WIll they make real cars again?

no, sorry.

i dont really get your question, because in the last 5 yrs gm has made some of the best cars they have made in decades, so i am really not sure where ur coming from??

1yesfan, I understand you, bro.
Unfortunately, GM is getting to the point when even Police and Charity Auctions will be ashamed to sell GM cars.
So I will have to agree with Genopsyde: the answer is "NO".

Best car Gm produced was the 69 SS...

Best car Gm produced was the 69 SS...


*ahem* 68

I thought the SS was 69 ? Oh well.

i still think the new corvettes are badass.. im sorry you guys dont like GM anymore...

I thought the SS was 69 ? Oh well.


there was a 68 SS too.....

I was just saying that because I own a 68 and i hate how everyone loves the 69's so much....i think their overrated....dont get me wrong tho..i still love em..

Ahh , I see. Well I think it's the '69' that I like but either way , 68 or 69 is still kick ass =-D

dont worry....i try to recruit everyone to like 68's better....ask the older members here lol..

if gm is doing a shitty job whose doing a good job?

if gm is doing a shitty job whose doing a good job?

You've obviously never driven a Daewoo or a Kia

im betting someone is going to say ford.....smh. im still trippen off the the cavaler thats on the vein juice they call the cobolt and that grand am thats on the seafood diet called the gto. im a fan of gm but its not a great fight we are putting up. they shouldnt have killed the f twins!

1yesfan, I understand you, bro.
Unfortunately, GM is getting to the point when even Police and Charity Auctions will be ashamed to sell GM cars.
So I will have to agree with Genopsyde: the answer is "NO".

get off my nuts.

there was a 68 SS too.....

I was just saying that because I own a 68 and i hate how everyone loves the 69's so much....i think their overrated....dont get me wrong tho..i still love em..

That is because the 69' camaros have a special thing about them that makes them look MUCH better than any camaro ever built to date.

so....whats that special thing.....because its wider than mine??

Well, when it comes to it, no other company builds a better looking, driving, more comfortable, more efficient, more powerful vehicle than GM - for the money. What I've seen in the service department will put them out of business though I'm afraid. GM currently makes no money selling cars, they pad the bottom line with financing, raiding their warranty reserve funds, and tapping their pension funds. (from what I read in various business rags) Guess they're hoping the higher priced new nameplates will reverse this trend. Time will tell.

If they don't do to the new Camaro what they did to the GTO, they should be ok.

Best car Gm produced was the 69 SS...

nah, id say the 83 Z28, 305 with Crossfire Injection :grinyes: of course i may be a bit biased, being a former owner of one.

best car GM produced, IMHO, is probably either the Fiero GT (again, minor bias, but drive one and love!), or the Firebird 455SD =P

am i the only one that can see the Corvette???

Can't wait for the 2006 Z06 :grinyes:

7L 500HP

You've obviously never driven a Daewoo or a Kia


LMAO

but seriously, GM is definatly looking up latley, just about every level of vehicle is getting a revamp, sure one came from australia, from a GM brand, and one may be a "remade cavalier" but they are both bad ass. The new vette is a world class stormer, GM truck sales have just trumped ford for the first time in how many years, shit how many decades of sales supremacy by that company. The camaro is on its way back, shit even caddy sedans are 400+hp G machines, what exactly is it that you guys feel you have to bitch about? its not the 80's anymore. shit its not even the 90's anymore. Anyone check the Chevy website latley? even the monty carlo is getting a V8 again. 5.3L, thats a 327cid engine by the way, a very classic and historic engine in chevy history. I for one plan on sending a letter praising the progress and my high hopes for the future. Perhaps the reason no progress has been made is because every time chevy tries to fix it, people just sit and piss and moan with their eyes closed about all the wrong chevy has done in the past. shall i bring up the Impalla? Ill be the first to say GM has made its mistakes, but its a new ballgame, GM has put on its game face, and its not playin around, the new offerings from the lineup are bad ass. If yall wanna sit in the past and piss and moan about what is dead and gone, you have fun, im gonna go play with all the shiny new toys rolling out of the dealerships :) If only i was allowed to test drive a new ZO6 with that 427 cid LS1...... dreams, i always have my dreams. :)

Wow, can't imagine a cross fire 305 F-body ranking high in a best of, and the Fiero wasn't too highly considered either, even though I liked both cars and still do. Also worth noting that the 327 of today probably doesn't share one single part with the engine of old. Kind of interesting to see GM using the Corvette in so many ads for their other car lines, even the Caddy is pushing the CtX with the "Corvette" engine.

Also worth noting that the 327 of today probably doesn't share one single part with the engine of old.


i have the old in my camaro and the new in my truck. its amazing to see how much different they are..

427cid LS1?

i have the old in my camaro and the new in my truck. its amazing to see how much different they are..


Korndog (like that name BTW). Had a new 65 Impala with the 300 HP 327 and when new those cars were pretty darn slick running, Muncie four speed shifted like a sharp knife through butter, plenty of power and 20 mpg on easy highway driving. Biggest difference now to then is that motor was pretty much shot at 100K miles, showing age at 70K or so. Your new truck engine just gets broke in good at 70k miles I'd say. These new engines are pretty slick, sure can't fix them under the shade tree though. Hope mine starts this morning, 10 degrees out. Brrr.

thats the thing about the 1968 327......i can actually work on it if i want to.

427cid LS1?

I think he meant LS7.

Wow, can't imagine a cross fire 305 F-body ranking high in a best of, and the Fiero wasn't too highly considered either, even though I liked both cars and still do. Also worth noting that the 327 of today probably doesn't share one single part with the engine of old. Kind of interesting to see GM using the Corvette in so many ads for their other car lines, even the Caddy is pushing the CtX with the "Corvette" engine.

i chose the CFI 305 because that was my first real sports car, that thing blew me away, we had it modded to the point where it ran with stock LS1's.

i chose the fiero, in part because i own one, but more due to the fact that it was one of the fastest, safest, most well-made cars GM made in the 80s. it was built to Swedish Safety Specs (Read: Volvo, which i have seen go head-on with a Kenworth and win), the handling is on par with ferrari, and with mild mods could run with the same year corvettes for half the price (which was in large part why GM pulled the plug in 88, the vette boys were whining).

/end rant

now that I've completely gone on a tangent, i will shut up

GMs cars arent all that good anymore, if i say fords cars are good somone is gonna talk smack to me but i do like them, i like all camaros mustangs firebirds, basically all the american sports cars but as for the latest GM car the corvette, whats not to like? that car is awsome

GM cars arent all that good anymore........ care to elaborate? im just curious as to what negative reputation the new models have had time to get. Why does everyone think they are so bad?

I don't agree, but I see what everyone is talking about with the bad reputation GM has made in recent years. In the 60's, GM was basically the king of muscle cars. As time went on, they dropped the fast cars, except for the Corvette, and disabled some of the muscle cars of the past. Now they have some good cars, but taking off the F-body was like a kick in the crotch to guys who want affordable sports cars.

Oh dont get me wrong, ill admit as fast as the next guy that GM has screwed up the past few decades, and i can understand that. I just dont understand why with the new model lineup that is drasticly improoved over the last models, everyone still has the same views.

Lets look at some of the new models shall we?

Cobalt SS- 205 HP supercharged ecotec.. Actually looks sporty in the SS trim and not badly priced. I'd own one.

LaCrosse- 240 HP DOHC 3.6 litre, replacing Regal and Century, and it looks better than both. (RIP Regal, you had a good run)

Pontiac GTO- The '04 was a flop, but looking at the '05 i can see how it's gonna be a huge competitor...(405 HP LS2, with various body styling changes)

And others, such as the CTS-V, SLR, C6, C6 Z06, and coming soon hopefully the Buick Velite(twin turbo 3.6 litre with over 400 horses) and the Pontiac Solstice. I see GM's future getting better not worse. But maybe that's just me.

Sadly GM is just not cutting it to me at least we all have are own preffrences but the only power Car they have left is the new corvette but to me it looks to much like a ferrari 360 modena Where i live there are 4 360s in my town of 3000 its a town of 6000 but there are allot of snow birds the new corvette does look nice from the back the rest of it though will this is not a corvette thread so back to the point GM has Corvette and the Pontiac GTO but it does not Compeate with the new Ford mustang Sorry GM guys I cant beliveiam saying it eather also GM's Labor cost that the union has hit them with does not help with Sales eather It would be nice to see a revival of a 5th gen Camaro but somthing thats not over 30K.

Funny the GTO's are beating the Mustang's all day at the track.

GM is definately improving on the newer models coming out. I agree with you guys there, but who's idea was it to send the Aveo down the assembly line..?

I saw this thread and I now have to put my :2cents: in on this. I’m a Ford/Mustang fan but I have nothing against GM, the Corvette, or the Camaro. I’d just like to give my opinion on this discussion.

First, GM took away the Camaro and Firebird leaving the Mustang to an open market, what car is GM using to counter the Mustang? You have magazines putting Mustangs against the Corvette, GTO, Cobalt SS, ect because there’s nothing else from GM to put up against it, It would appear that the GTO is the marked car at the moment, sure it may cost 10 grand more but it out performs it, making it the winner right? BUT if Ford does what they are talking about and the new SVT Cobra has the GT-40 engine in it with 500 hp and 500 lb tq for the same price, goodbye GTO, hello ZO6
Do you think the people at SVT are thinking about how to counter a Camaro? No, like I said, if rumor is true they’re making a car to go head to head with the big boys, Corvette and Viper, GM needs a pony car badly

Next, the new ZO6 is awesome but I feel this thing is late, the idea for the ZO6 was great when it came out but I feel Chevy never followed through with it, yes they added horsepower and made it quicker and faster but the Corvette’s rival, Dodge Viper, has kicked its butt the last couple of years, the Corvette shouldn’t be getting 500 horses in 06, should have been much earlier than this I think

Finally, we get to some of their newer cars, like the SSR or more importantly, the GTO. I saw the SSR at a car show and wondered what GM was thinking. It isn’t really a car and it isn’t really a truck. The thing seems like a modern El Camino that went terribly wrong.
The GTO I had such high hopes for it. I was thinking GM was going to do what Ford did and do a cool retro of the old GTO with high hopes of maybe an engine bigger than the 350. What I saw when it came out was a Grand Am with a LS-1 in it. A whole lot of you may disagree and say I’m an idiot but the 2005 GTO is nothing but a better looking Grand Am with a LS-2.

I think things would help GM if they did these three things.

1. bring back the Camaro but also bring on the heat, the Camaro needs to be just as well priced as the Mustang but a better performance buy, one reason the V6 Mustang and GT beat the V6 Camaro and Z28, Mustang was cheaper

2. keep bringing the heat with the ZO6, they did good with the 427, they can squeeze a whole lot more out of that thing for a good price

3. do something with the GTO, SSR, ect because…..I don’t know, just do something


Also, don't feel bad because GM isn't really doing all that bad. Could be worse, you could be like Dodge. The new Charger is a four door family sedan.

I read today in a Musclecar Enthusiast magazine that a totally new Camaro and next Generation GTO are going into production in 2008 at the the assembly plant in Wilmington, Delaware. They are supposedly going to be designed on a modified Kappa platform. The Camaro is rumored to be about the size of the current GTO. Also it said expect design cues possibly from the 2003 SS concept vehicle.

The new Camaro will be built on the GTO frame (I know for a fact). Who knows wha the power plant will be, but hopefully they will throw the Vette engine in it again like they used to do. Downgraded of course, GM would never let a car beat their precious Corvette.

Muscletang That is a very good Veiw on this,

I hope they bring back the Camaro Sooner then 2008 I cant beleave they would let the new Mustang Take all the sales from them but i guess the past is repeating its self.

and yeah i have to agree about the charger 4-door Iam getting sick of the Car companys just trying to sale a nameplate not a car.

i just hope they dont ruin the camaro's sporty image with family car looks. the dodge charger thats hitting lots this summer looks awful. looks like the combination of the dodge carivan and the magnum put together n the front end. we will just have to wait and see what they produce.

i really, really., hope the new camaro doesnt look like the 2003 ss concept

me too. i like the front ends looks. kinda looked like the 70-73's split bumper camaros. but the rest sucked

GM would never let a car beat their precious Corvette.

This is true and I can understand why but it can bite them in the butt. Shelby first went to GM and asked them to make his A/C Cobra race cars. GM told him they didn't want any car that could compete with their Corvette or take sales from it. With that said GM turned Shelby down and he then went to Ford...the rest is history.

I read car magazines at work when I'm not busy (I work at Kroger's as a "courtesy clerk", and I'm 17, so I can get away with that), and they are actually trying to make the GTO look better this year, with a ram air hood. I'm not saying it looks great, but at least they are trying.

From what i've seen they're doing more to it than just a ram air hood. The rear end is redesigned with a new fascia, and the exhaust pipes come out looking like actual true duals instead of dual outlet on one side, and to top it off they're putting the LS2 in it.